police getting tazers , i'm getting a gun [Archive]

WINJA

29th August 2006, 18:12

Fuck That Im Gonna Carry A Gun And Shoot The Pig Before She Can Tazer Me.
This Is Just A Scenario Im Not Getting A Gun But I Wonder How Many Crims Are Thinking Along These Lines , I Think The Tazers Are Being Introduced Because A Large Number Of The Force Ie Woman And Smallish Weak Men Have Trouble Properly Subdueing Perps, Id Rather Not See Tazers Cause I Know The Pigs In This Country Wont Use Them Responsibly , We All Saw The Pig Pepper Spraying The Guy That Was Handcuffed On The Ground , Id Rather See More Frontline Staff With Handguns But Limited To A Select Few With A Good Track Record In The Force And No Woman To Have Hand Guns , I Think The Only Officers That Should Have Handguns Should Be The Ones Who Have The Physical Strength To Hold Onto The Weapon In A Scuffle, Fuk The Pigs

Sniper

29th August 2006, 18:16

The yellow arses will drop the guns and start being good pretty soon. The hard core guys will start carrying guns cause of this

Finn

29th August 2006, 18:17

Cops will have tazers starting this Friday. I recommend next time you get pulled over for doing 52kph, that you hit the deck and surrender or you'll get fried for sure.

The maori party has spoken out about it (it's true, I'm not making it up) saying that maori people have heart problems and might die if they get zapped. What a fucken joke.

scumdog

29th August 2006, 18:18

Yeah yeah yeah, whatever.:yawn:

Groundhog day again for WINJA.:rolleyes:

RantyDave

29th August 2006, 18:20

maori people have heart problems and might die if they get zapped. What a fucken joke.
Ah, whatever. Next you'll be telling me that Maori party are opposed to legislation that means employers might be willing to give 'their people' a chance instead of dismissing them outright.

Dave

dawnrazor

29th August 2006, 18:22

WarlockNZ

29th August 2006, 18:25

Yeah yeah yeah, whatever.:yawn:

Groundhog day again for WINJA.:rolleyes:

nothing a swift kick won't fix .. lol .. must admit tho .. i've been thinking about taking the paintball gun on rides .. loaded with permanant paint .. that way every other KB'er would know who the dicks behind the wheel are .. not sure how the cops would view it tho ... lol

The Pastor

29th August 2006, 18:30

non lethal forse is what that is, the RUC said the same thing about the use of rubber bullets in the 70's in northern Ireland for crowd control, and that turned out well for them ;)

not small are they

Headshot with that, and even if your head doesnt fall off, you wont live long.

Worse yet are the bean bag shotties, They cause massive internell bleeding.

Is anyone allowed to own a tazer or do u have to have a gun licence? Some tazers are ok, Ive seen videos of people playing with them, seeing how long they can last (standerd police ones not toy ones - if they exsit). But its like anything electrical it can cause the heart to stop. 9 people a year die (world wide) from sticking a 12v battery on there tounge (or so im told)

Crazy Steve

29th August 2006, 18:33

WINJA

29th August 2006, 18:38

Finn

29th August 2006, 18:38

And the Cops know I do....so Tazer me if you can PIG!!!!

You'll be okay bro, those tazers won't be able to pierce your thick coconut skin.

scumdog

29th August 2006, 18:42

WINJA

29th August 2006, 18:44

Somebody even crazier than WINJA!!

YOU BETTER FUCKEN BELIEVE IT PIGGY

scumdog

29th August 2006, 18:47

YOU BETTER FUCKEN BELIEVE IT PIGGY

I'm trembling in my boots:innocent:

WINJA

29th August 2006, 18:48

You'll be okay bro, those tazers won't be able to pierce your thick coconut skin.

SEE THE BARBS ON THE PROJECTILE, THEY SAY A DOCTOR WILL CHECK EVERY ONE THATS BEEN TAZERED BUT THATS PROLLY JUST TO REMOVE THE PROJECTILE .

THEY ALSO SAID ON THE NEWS ABOUT 200 PEOPLE HAVE DIED FROM BEING TAZERED , SO HOW DOES THE PIG ACERTAIN WHEATHER SOMEONE IS FIT TO BE TAZERED THERES A LOT OF MEDICAL CONDITIONS WHEN SOMEONE SHOULD NOT BE TAZERED

Lou Girardin

29th August 2006, 18:48

Shit. I agree with Winja.:gob:

WINJA

29th August 2006, 18:49

I'm trembling in my boots:innocent:

WELL YOUR THE KINDA PIG THATLL GET ISUED WITH A TAZER THEN

Street Gerbil

29th August 2006, 18:52

It is interesting to note that in Israel, where virtually every 18 year old mall rat lugs around an SMG (and could get in serious trouble for leaving it at home), firearms-related violence is unheard of.

scumdog

29th August 2006, 18:58

WELL YOUR THE KINDA PIG THATLL GET ISUED WITH A TAZER THEN

Piss off, a Glock is the only answer, Tasers are for pacifist pussies.

SuperDave

29th August 2006, 19:02

WINJA

29th August 2006, 19:11

Do you people honestly believe that all the cops given these are gonna go nuts and start shooting people over petty traffic infridgements?

YES.

DID YOU EVER EXPECT TO SEE ON THE NEWS A GUY IN HANDCUFFS ON THE GROUND GETTING PEPPER SPRAYED WHEN THE PIGS ANOUNCED THEIR GETTING PEPPER SPRAY , AND THATS JUST THE ONE THAT WAS CAUGHT ON FILM IMAGINE THE ONES WE HAVENT SEEN , AND WHERE DID THAT GO AND WAS THE PIG FIRED? NO HE WASNT . IF THE PIGS HAVE IT THEYLL ABUSE IT

Finn

29th August 2006, 19:15

Rodney King was pulled over for a traffic infringement.

Ixion

29th August 2006, 19:28

Dunno about you lot but I'd rather take a tazer than a bullet.

Was the idea behind the tazer not to aid the cops in apprehending violent criminals - like the very popular P fueled loon? A few 9mm pistol rounds would be less effect against someone like this than a tazer.

Do you people honestly believe that all the cops given these are gonna go nuts and start shooting people over petty traffic infridgements?

,,

Yes, I'm afraid I do. Not all cops of course, and not for petty traffic offences. But I'd be confident that the Tasers (or the threat of them) will be used to enforce compliance from a lot of people who are not criminals in any ordinary sense of the world

F'instance - at present there's a picket line outside the distribution centres of a major supermarket chain. A big Corporate. As in BIG. Corporate is angry, of course, so , naturally there are heaps of police in atendance to escort blacklegs through the picket line (try getting even one cop if you're being mugged though)

Anyone want to bet that a similar situation in 6 months time, the police won't be using Tasers on the strikers? Certainly Big Corporate will be pushing them to do it, and police High Command pay LOTS of attention to such requests

Similarly - anyone remember the demonstrators that were illegally removed by the police on the instructions of Helen, when they embarrased the Chinese PM a while ago? Quick zap with a Taser, much more effective

In this respect the Taser is much worse than a gun. No cop is going to be bold enough to actually shoot a striker or demonstrator. But a tasering, no visible marks to speak of, no (hopefully) permanent effects. Like pepper spray it will become the modus operendi for dealing TO (not with) anyone who pisses off a cop.

I would predict that not more than 20% of Taser use will be against people that the general public would classifyas "criminals".

And maybe not petty traffic offences. But I'll lay odds that within the year you can reckon on a tasering as a matter of course if y'do a runner.

McJim

29th August 2006, 19:28

If you do get Tazered try to cross the wires - electricity will ALWAYS take the easiest route to earth or to complete the circuit - in this case the majority of the charge will be diverted into the smaller loop reducing the charge accross the electrodes on the barbs - this means you will not be as incapacitated as the officer believes and can take action as you see appropriate for the inappropriate use of excessive force.

If of course you truly do deserve the punishment then try to sit back and enjoy it - electric shocks have been known to cause erections and even ejaculation.

Have fun.

WINJA

29th August 2006, 19:31

Lou Girardin

29th August 2006, 19:36

Lou Girardin

29th August 2006, 19:38

YES.

DID YOU EVER EXPECT TO SEE ON THE NEWS A GUY IN HANDCUFFS ON THE GROUND GETTING PEPPER SPRAYED WHEN THE PIGS ANOUNCED THEIR GETTING PEPPER SPRAY , AND THATS JUST THE ONE THAT WAS CAUGHT ON FILM IMAGINE THE ONES WE HAVENT SEEN , AND WHERE DID THAT GO AND WAS THE PIG FIRED? NO HE WASNT . IF THE PIGS HAVE IT THEYLL ABUSE IT

And again, go winjie. :yes:

kro

29th August 2006, 20:06

I think the cops are getting Tazers because if they shoot the bad guys with a gun, they get shat on by the media, if they pepper spray them, they get shat on by the media, and now they try a Tazer, and what do you know?, they are getting shat on by the media..... there's a pattern emerging here.

When a man works in a noisy saw mill, he deserves earmuffs to protect his hearing, when a lady works an arc welder at an engineering shop, she deserves a pair of goggles to protect her eyes, as does the meat-worker deserve the steel mesh gloves to protect his hands............. cops deal with some seriously fucked up and highly dangerous individuals every day, and even OSH can't minimise the risks they face, so why do we make them out to be arseholes when they want, what we have all come to expect?.

Fairs fair guys, let the poor bastards do their job.

Ixion

29th August 2006, 20:09

Ixion You Should Start A Post On That Progresive Group Protest, Progresive Are Bunch Of Cunts , They Say They Cant Pay Better Wages But They Syphon A Shit Load Of Money Off Back To Aussie, Also They Monopolised The Market By Buying Woolworths Then Steadily Put The Prices Up

And they are pushing a lot of NZ companies and small businesses out of business by preferential treatment of Australian suppliers. Doesn't go the other way though, they're not interested in NZ companys getting a chance at the Aussie market.

SuperDave

29th August 2006, 20:22

We'll after reading your responses especially Ixion's then maybe the cops would actually go and be too trigger happy with these new toys of theirs.

But the problem is not the tasers, the REAL problem is that our country obviously has a great problem within the policing system. Whilst there are many cops that are enforcers of the law and protectors of justice in every sense of the word, it does sound like there is a large minority that is corrupt. This is the true worry.

I understand the Police cannot be 100% perfect all the time, but we should damn well expect them and everything assosciated with them (ie the comms centre) to be very close to perfect.

If they are not, (personally I believe they are falling very short), then our policing system is failing us. We should rather be protesting and bitching about the disfunctionality of our policing system at its core instead of focusing on things like giving them more power to enforce.

If the problem at it's core is addressed properly through example by better training and greatly improved screening of candidates then giving our police force more power will only serve the public good, allowing them to address the real criminal issues that harm our country.

I'm probably being unrealistic but I really believe that if this could work, it could work in our country.

WINJA

29th August 2006, 20:24

when a lady works an arc welder at an engineering shop, she deserves a pair of goggles to protect her eyes,

AND WHEN SHE USES THAT ARC WELDER IN THE COMMISION OF A CRIME SHE PAYS THE PRICE , WHEN THE POLICE IN THIS COUNTRY ASSAULT AND ABUSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT IS A CRIME AND THE PIGS NEVER PAY , WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THIS COUNTRY TO LET THE PIGS HAVE MORE TOOLS, WE NEED TO SEE PIGS LIKE THE ONE THAT SPRAYED THAT HANDCUFFED GUY THROWN IN JAIL FOR 6 MONTHS TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO THOSE ROGUE PIGS, AND JUST TO SHOW YOU THE MINDSET OF THE AVERAGE PIG WHILE THE PIG SPRAYED THE HANDCUFFED MAN THE OTHER PIGS STOOD AROUND AND GIGGLED LIKE A BUNCH OF COWARD FUCKWITS

madkeenandy

29th August 2006, 20:31

Get a bloody life you lot.

Give the Cops a break we are not the media, so we do not have to make everything seem so bad and horrible, when it isn't.

SuperDave

29th August 2006, 20:34

Another point to add to my earlier post - It's not just the policing system that is fucked, it's also our justice system that is meant to be a check on our police and ensure that those corrupt cops get what they deserve. But the justice system also fails the hard working cops too - when they dish out slaps on the wrist to criminals instead of throwing the book at them. Each time it fails, the justice system negates the hard work of the good cops catching real crims.

aff-man

29th August 2006, 20:44

You're policing system is not that corrupt/bad. But in saying that they do have an air of "untouchable" about them. Many times in the media a case has come up. Cop does something bad everyone gets in a row and then what happens. The "investigation into the matter" drags on long enough for the media to find another big event to sink thier teeth into and the offence gets "quietly delt with"

I'm hanging out for the first tazer related death. Not the one with the guy coming at the police with a machette or something. But the kid running from the cops and getting tazered in the back or something. With the cop get charged with murder? In almost zero circumstances will an officer draw a pistol (or sometimes even have one) in nz. But with tazers they will be more likely to use them in situations they had previously delt with in a less life threatening manner.

Everyone says oooo cops shouldn't have to deal with people getting agro at them etc etc etc. It's in the bloody job description. If you don't like it then find another job only ambo's and firemen etc can have this argument.

Finn

29th August 2006, 20:45

And they are pushing a lot of NZ companies and small businesses out of business by preferential treatment of Australian suppliers. Doesn't go the other way though, they're not interested in NZ companys getting a chance at the Aussie market.

Out of all the corporates I deal with, Progressive are by far the best in terms of relationship, paying and taking our ideas on board. When they acquired Woolworths NZ, our business with them almost doubled. Now that Woolworth's Aus owns Progressive, we have a HUGE opportunity in Aus. We're an exception but lets face it, most kiwi products aren't very good or they're not competitive.

Oh yeah, they should test those tazers out on the professional protesters. Who cares if any of them die.

WINJA

29th August 2006, 20:48

Get a bloody life you lot.

Give the Cops a break we are not the media, so we do not have to make everything seem so bad and horrible, when it isn't.

IT IS PART OF OUR LIFE MORON , YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO HASNT BEEN FUCKED OVER BY THE POLICE YET, YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO HASNT STOOD IN COURT AND WATCHED THE PIGS LIE AND LIE THEN LIE SOMEMORE TO COVER THOSE LIES, IF THREAD DOESNT INTREST YOU THEN DONT READ IT AND DEFINATLY DONT POST IN IT

Swoop

29th August 2006, 20:48

Oh and Dawnrazor, those rubber things don't look like bullets, more like mini dildos. Or do they use artillery rubber rounds as well? :shit:

Belfast 1973.
Yes, the dildo connotation was used in the streets.

Swoop

29th August 2006, 20:50

Fuck That Im Gonna Carry A Gun And Shoot The Pig Before She Can Tazer Me.
I'll give you 2 green reps for every pig you shoot.
PM me with your kills and we'll go from there.

WINJA

29th August 2006, 21:00

Out of all the corporates I deal with, Progressive are by far the best in terms of relationship, paying and taking our ideas on board. When they acquired Woolworths NZ, our business with them almost doubled. Now that Woolworth's Aus owns Progressive, we have a HUGE opportunity in Aus. We're an exception but lets face it, most kiwi products aren't very good or they're not competitive.

Oh yeah, they should test those tazers out on the professional protesters. Who cares if any of them die.

PROGRESIVE ARE THE WORST TO DO BUSINES WITH, THEY WERE GOOD IN THE 80S BUT COLES BOUGHT THEM THEY CUT BACK ON ALL THEIR REPAIR BUDGETS , THEY WANTED THE SAME WORK DONE FOR FAR LESS AND BASICALLY THEY GOT WHAT THEY PAID FOR , BUNCH OF GREADY CORPORATES THEY WOULDA BEEN RUBBING THEIR HANDS TOGETHER WITH GLEE AT THE THOUGHT OF WAYN MAPPS 90 DAY BILL

SuperDave

29th August 2006, 21:00

Belfast 1973.
Yes, the dildo connotation was used in the streets.

Just looked it up now, thanks for that. Never realised the things were so large.

29th August 2006, 21:02

Weird. I posted on this hours ago and it's vanished into cyberspace.
Saw the News item. Shit-a-brick they drop a crim faster than a speeding bullet.
Was that winja who volunteered to shoot the volunteer Coppers?
Does anyone know if the shooter can control how long the current runs for? Those victims seemed to be in pain for a while. If you pissed a Cop off could he give you 2 minutes of sexual simulated wriggling in agony. Or is it a set few seconds?
And I said this last time. This new drain on our failing power supply better not effect my hot water!
In the end a zap to the deserving agro bastards police face is better than a bullet. To those that don't slip Mr Plod a $100 note each time you interact with them, well wear rubber gumboots.
On the serious side. The Police need to able to do their job in safety. My concern, like Xion said, is that where a not-so-straight and all round nice guy Mr Plod could never whip out the gun to teach someone a lesson. Now, he has an alternative that he can use and inflict some serious pain, without fear of facing a Police killing enquiry.
Still, I trust the Government when they say they will only ever be used correctly, just like how they only spend our taxes wisely.
Love those Romans, wonderful people- says the tortured citizen.

WINJA

29th August 2006, 21:09

If It Was Me I Woulda Shot Them In The Cock And Kept Shocking Them Till The Batterys Were Dead

Street Gerbil

29th August 2006, 21:18

Wikipedia again?
No, I actually lived there for a couple of decades.

Kickaha

29th August 2006, 21:18

Fuck That Im Gonna Carry A Gun And Shoot The Pig Before She Can Tazer Me.

Fuck you must be a tough cunt :bleh:

You wouldn't have the balls to

Roger Raide

29th August 2006, 21:30

IT IS PART OF OUR LIFE MORON , YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO HASNT BEEN FUCKED OVER BY THE POLICE YET, YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO HASNT STOOD IN COURT AND WATCHED THE PIGS LIE AND LIE THEN LIE SOMEMORE TO COVER THOSE LIES, IF THREAD DOESNT INTREST YOU THEN DONT READ IT AND DEFINATLY DONT POST IN IT
There's only one moron out there, and it ain't madkeenandy. Good on ya madkeenandy, say your piece and don't be afraid to post, hell I'm up to my 5th and don't intend dribbling 4000 more times like someone else who should know better than to tell someone else not to post.

Give the cops a tazer...yes someone will f..kup, but we all do, just learn from it!!

WINJA

29th August 2006, 21:33

Fuck you must be a tough cunt :bleh:

You wouldn't have the balls to

DID YOU READ JUST A BIT MORE THAN THAT

29th August 2006, 21:35

Joke time. What going to be the scariest sight for a crim?
A Policeman advancing towards them with a high voltage mains power cord trailing behind them.

James Deuce

29th August 2006, 21:36

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special43/articles/1224taserlist24-ON.html

Anyone notice a trend?

APPLE

29th August 2006, 21:37

maybe the'yll catch that black power mongrel,and tazer his ass?:angry:

kro

29th August 2006, 21:41

AND WHEN SHE USES THAT ARC WELDER IN THE COMMISION OF A CRIME SHE PAYS THE PRICE , WHEN THE POLICE IN THIS COUNTRY ASSAULT AND ABUSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT IS A CRIME AND THE PIGS NEVER PAY , WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THIS COUNTRY TO LET THE PIGS HAVE MORE TOOLS, WE NEED TO SEE PIGS LIKE THE ONE THAT SPRAYED THAT HANDCUFFED GUY THROWN IN JAIL FOR 6 MONTHS TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO THOSE ROGUE PIGS, AND JUST TO SHOW YOU THE MINDSET OF THE AVERAGE PIG WHILE THE PIG SPRAYED THE HANDCUFFED MAN THE OTHER PIGS STOOD AROUND AND GIGGLED LIKE A BUNCH OF COWARD FUCKWITS

I have heard something about a pepper spraying, but what are all these countless other misdemeanors you speak of?. Can you list some for me to see, I don't read the papers a lot, and must have missed all these infractions, because you seem to be aware of a whole raft of them to create this level of anti police fervour.

WINJA

29th August 2006, 21:52

I have heard something about a pepper spraying, but what are all these countless other misdemeanors you speak of?. Can you list some for me to see, I don't read the papers a lot, and must have missed all these infractions, because you seem to be aware of a whole raft of them to create this level of anti police fervour.

JUST CAUSE ITS NOT CAUGHT ON FILM DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT HAPENING , SECOND CASE WAS ON THE RAILWAY TRACKS AT MORNINGSIDE AUCKLAND A HANDCUFFED GUY GOT PEPPER SPRAYED HE WAS ON THE GROUND AT THE TIME

madkeenandy

29th August 2006, 22:38

There's only one moron out there, and it ain't madkeenandy. Good on ya madkeenandy, say your piece and don't be afraid to post, hell I'm up to my 5th and don't intend dribbling 4000 more times like someone else who should know better than to tell someone else not to post.

Give the cops a tazer...yes someone will f..kup, but we all do, just learn from it!!

thanks man couln't agree more

bobsmith

29th August 2006, 22:44

I think the problem is not the fact that the pigs are getting tasers... but rather that the pigs we have in this country are... well substandard in general. (I said in general, so don't go bloody ranting about "some good pigs etc..." I know I've heard fairly tails about them and I'm trying my best to be PC by saying "pigs in general...")

It's all good to give pigs more force to deal with criminals... but that only works if and ONLY IF the pigs can be trusted to use them properly... I think from posts such as Ixon's I'm not the only one who feels that not all cops can be trusted with them. Sure there are those who will use it responsibly but then hell there are many people who will drive/ride responsibly above 100km/hr on open road. Do they let us legally ride above 100km/hr? - NO.

I only hope that not too many people die from this... and if they do, that we'll be informed about them and the pigs who use it irrisponsibly will be made to pay... (yes yes... I'm dreaming...)

Lou Girardin

30th August 2006, 08:52

Does anyone know if they'll penetrate CE armour?
A back protector and leather kit is pretty hard to get through.
I've heard of tazers failing to penetrate a wet greatcoat.

Street Gerbil

30th August 2006, 08:56

I've heard of tazers failing to penetrate a wet greatcoat.
If it is wet, they dont HAVE to penetrate :yes: .

Freakshow

30th August 2006, 09:01

Well this morning on the front of the Dom it was great to see that they are testing the taser on other cops

Squeak the Rat

30th August 2006, 09:13

For once I actually like the poll on www.stuff.co.nz

It asks, should all police officers issued with a Taser gun be stunned with it to know its true force before using one?

In all seriousness, I've answered yes - it would give each officer a much better understanding of the weapon and it's effects. It is harmless after all.

Maverick

30th August 2006, 09:14

Well this morning on the front of the Dom it was great to see that they are testing the taser on other cops

All Officers as part of their taser training are subjected to a taser stun.

30th August 2006, 09:21

Hey winjie, no doubt you will squeal like a PIGGY when the cop tazers you.....hehehehe:shit:

Al

Lil_Byte

30th August 2006, 09:45

SEE THE BARBS ON THE PROJECTILE, THEY SAY A DOCTOR WILL CHECK EVERY ONE THATS BEEN TAZERED BUT THATS PROLLY JUST TO REMOVE THE PROJECTILE .

THEY ALSO SAID ON THE NEWS ABOUT 200 PEOPLE HAVE DIED FROM BEING TAZERED , SO HOW DOES THE PIG ACERTAIN WHEATHER SOMEONE IS FIT TO BE TAZERED THERES A LOT OF MEDICAL CONDITIONS WHEN SOMEONE SHOULD NOT BE TAZERED

You could get a Tattoo on your forehead which says don't taser me as I have a heart condition:Punk:

The_Dover

30th August 2006, 09:53

I dont think obesity counts as a medical condition that should not be tazered.

In fact I think they should tazer any fat people trying to enter a take away.

30th August 2006, 10:12

[...]SO HOW DOES THE PIG ACERTAIN WHEATHER SOMEONE IS FIT TO BE TAZERED THERES A LOT OF MEDICAL CONDITIONS WHEN SOMEONE SHOULD NOT BE TAZERED

I suggest a ten page health questionnaire - including lots of questions about the socio-psycho-spiritual conditions that lead to them being in this unfortunate situation. Tariana will be able to help with the design I am sure.

Piss off, a Glock is the only answer, Tasers are for pacifist pussies.

With you on that :yes:

Timber020

30th August 2006, 10:52

I dont completely trust the police to do the right thing 100% of the time, but I think from all the police I have encountered world wide, they are the best I have seen, and the least armed. (Perhaps this is related?)

Im not keen on the police being more armed than what they are but I think the tazer is a good compromise, will it be abused? Probably, but not widely. I think at time the cops have a genuine need to have more power than a bit of spray and a baton which is none lethal and not a potential nightmare if the bad guys get there hands on it.

Bitch about the cops all you like, talk tough, but life would be alot worse without them about. Whether you have a gun or not.

bobsmith

30th August 2006, 11:06

Bitch about the cops all you like, talk tough, but life would be alot worse without them about. Whether you have a gun or not.

I have never said that we would do better without any pigs, and nor have I heard anyone make such statement. (besides I like my bacon)

However I always do say that we need "better" and more responsible pigs and that seems to be the main argument by the non pig lovers - that the pigs in general are not to be trusted that we need more responsible pigs or the piggy system/organisation needs to be reviewed.

I definately would not want to live in a place where there is no policing. But living in a country where you fear the pigs almost as much as the lack of policing is just as bad.

Lou Girardin

30th August 2006, 11:29

It's so typical of NZ, that when the US Justice Dept is investigating Tazer use, our Police force 'trials' them with no public consultation.
We are a Police State.

scumdog

30th August 2006, 11:33

THEY ALSO SAID ON THE NEWS ABOUT 200 PEOPLE HAVE DIED FROM BEING TAZERED , SO HOW DOES THE PIG ACERTAIN WHEATHER SOMEONE IS FIT TO BE TAZERED THERES A LOT OF MEDICAL CONDITIONS WHEN SOMEONE SHOULD NOT BE TAZERED

You sucker, you believe ANYTHING negative ya read don't you?

The Tazer fatality figures are from the USA where they use a far more powerful form of Tazer - unlike the 'soft' type in this country.(Why does NZ always go for the soft option?)

And a good proportion of those US fatalities would have died anyway from gunshot if the tazer had not been there. (I guess they picked a bad day to be a Tazer target)

And you too Lou know the Tazer we have are NOT as powerful as the suppose 'dangerous' US models.

McJim

30th August 2006, 11:54

I'm looking forward to 6 month's time when we hear about Dairy robberies where the perp used a police issued Tazer for the robbery - it's only a matter of time before they fall into the wrong hands.

Think how easy that would be - and they would never be done for attempted murder either....if they killed someone they would be done for manslaughter and that would create the precedent for police officers to be charged with manslaughter every time a tazering went wrong.

What a wonderful can of worms has been potentially opened!

McJim

30th August 2006, 11:55

I dont think obesity counts as a medical condition that should not be tazered.

In fact I think they should tazer any fat people trying to enter a take away.

You'd get really hungry then.

dawnrazor

30th August 2006, 11:59

Just looked it up now, thanks for that. Never realised the things were so large.

Yeah ya wouldn't want to be fucked up the arse by one of those as it was ejected from a shot gun at high speed!

We used to have one at home that my brother had been given by some chick from the Falls road - don't ask, a police state will do strange things - anyways we used to give it to our boxer dog as a chew. Now this fella could destroy anything, yet he would chew this thing for hours and hardly make an impression. they do look like dildos though don't they...

The thing that worries me about non lethal devices like tazers and such is the name. I reckon the fact you can fire at some one and know you can't kill them will make you much more likely to go trigger happy. At least if the cops had guns they would know that one shot can kill, even when fired by the most cockeyed marksman. It comes down to responsibility - fire a tazer and your conscience is clear, you have caused huge pain but haven't taken a life, fire a gun and you have killed someone...that might make you stop and think before you fire...What was wrong with battons again, atazer only good for one shot anyways, at least a batton can be used again!!

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 12:01

I say GREAT !!! if a cop gets in a situation where he/she is in danger tazer the fucker, why should he be put at risk doing his job on the count of some drug user or Drunk on the street.
Tell ya what, I challenge any one of the "Tazers should be banned brigade" to go and do a couple of nights on a friday or saturday and see what ya opinion is then.
Tazers are great, and if youre on the recieving end to bad for you, you probably derserved it

Ixion

30th August 2006, 12:04

,,
Tazers are great, and if youre on the recieving end to bad for you, you probably derserved it
I think you just summed up in a few words exactly why the police should NOT be permitted them. Too much risk of a copper with the same attitude.

Clearly, you agree that the Taser WILL be used by police as a "punishment" - rather than to protect themselves. yes?

McJim

30th August 2006, 12:05

I say GREAT !!! if a cop gets in a situation where he/she is in danger tazer the fucker,

Why Tazer a police officer for getting in trouble? That's not very nice is it?

Sorry Quas - couldn't resist - see where you're coming from really.

Don't really have an opinion on this - New Zealand believes it has a crime problem - I grew up in Glasgow and I can see that New Zealand DOES NOT have a crime problem. If there was a crime epidemic do you really think the Poloice would have the resources to give out all the traffic and speeding tickets we whinge on and on about?

30th August 2006, 12:09

Look pretty effective to me:

http://www.yikers.com/video_cops_taser_big_angry_guy.html

Squeak the Rat

30th August 2006, 12:11

Police fulla (commissioner or sumthin) on telly this morning saying that they would only be used where there was a possibility of a suspect being violent.

Possibility of being violent?

McJim

30th August 2006, 12:15

Indoo

30th August 2006, 12:18

The amount of misinformation and plain fantasy around this subject is just ridiculous. The best one is people claiming that tasers have 'killed' some 150 odd people in the states. When you actually read amnesty's figures you would also see that much less prominently they admit the fact that in the few hundred or so thousand times tasers have been used in the states they have only played a 'role' in the deaths of 15 people. Compare that to the amount of times tasers would have saved lives by keeping real guns in the holster.

Basing objections into taser use off the U.S example is about as retarded as basing objections into giving cops here access to firearms based off the U.S example. You can't compare apples with oranges or donuts if thats more appropriate.

The N.Z model of taser use is based off the british trials and the sucessful use of tasers over there since 2003, it uses a stun gun only 1/5th as powerful as that used in the states. The taser is also kept in a locked box in a patrol car and can only be used by specially trained officers with every single use of it recorded and a formal report made into it.

The same vocal opponents are also the first to scream murder whenever there is a police shooting as a result of Police having no other option but lethal force. They are the driving momentum around cops having private murder prosecutions brought against them for defending themselves and the public. The ironic thing is now they are opposed to a non-lethal use of force that would reduce police shootings and mean that poor innocent victims such as Stephen Wallace would be alive and positively contributing to society today.

How many deaths or cases of abuse have there been in the U.K since they started using tasers?

James Deuce

30th August 2006, 12:21

I posted a link with some facts in it. You guys should read it and then draw some conclusions.

Swoop

30th August 2006, 12:30

Police fulla (commissioner or sumthin) on telly this morning saying that they would only be used where there was a possibility of a suspect being violent.

Possibility of being violent?
Yes. Just like speed cameras being introduced because "they would only be used at accident black spots"...
Hmm, time for a Tui!

Squeak the Rat

30th August 2006, 12:31

At the end of the day, kiwi's are scared that these are a) dangerous, and b) will be used unnecessarily.

Is it good when well intentioned citizens fear police?

McJim

30th August 2006, 12:32

I don't think the problem is the Tazers and I don't think police should have firearms - that should be reserved for countries where civilization and democracy has broken down irrevecobaly (USA, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.).

Hearts and Minds.

That's something the British Armed forces are trained to win in civil disturbance situations.

I'm hearing of many police officers in New Zealand consistently taking a very defensive view of any and all criticism - this will get interpreted, rightly or wrongly, by many members of the public as being "high and mighty" and they will be of the belief that the police believe themselves to be governed by a different set of rules from the public. In short the public will be of the opinion that "Them police think dey is better than us" and hence the mud slinging ensues.

In my opinion the New Zealand Police should spend more of their time trying to win hearts and minds to prevent the next generation of crims. But what do I know - I'm just a dirty immigrant.

Now I'm going back to trying to be witty.

spudchucka

30th August 2006, 12:47

Police fulla (commissioner or sumthin) on telly this morning saying that they would only be used where there was a possibility of a suspect being violent.

Possibility of being violent?

Should we wait for Crazy Steve to stick his screwdriver in our necks and only then consider using a Tazer or would the common sense approach be to use the device before the screwdriver gets inserted?

Which option would you choose?

spudchucka

30th August 2006, 12:52

The_Dover

30th August 2006, 12:53

Mmmm hearts and minds. Like what the SAS tried to do in malaya?

I don't know if hearts and minds would work on the p fuelled mongrel mob member Leonard Hall who tried to kill two of my close friends with a SKS rifle in the carpark at the St Lukes Mall.

Maybe i should of walked up to him and given him a flower instead of pulling my glock out??

Maybe you should have pulled your cock out? Make him laugh himself into submission cos you didn't hit the fucker did you?

Or maybe you bunchof useless cunts should stamp out the gangs? A shoot to kill policy on patches would go down a treat.

As for Malaya, was that a civil disturbance? retard.

Should we wait for Crazy Steve to stick his screwdriver in our necks and only then consider using a Tazer or would the common sense approach be to use the device before the screwdriver gets inserted?

Which option would you choose?

I'd choose to line you all up and give Crazy Steve the biggest screwdriver he could find.

Squeak the Rat

30th August 2006, 12:54

Maybe i should of walked up to him and given him a flower instead of pulling my glock out??

Might have confused him into submission :rofl:

I think most people would be quite ok with Police shooting some one who is armed with a firearm and shooting at said coppas.

But cops are NOT going to shoot some one with a glock if said suspect is slow getting out of his car or on the ground for whatever reason.

Should we wait for Crazy Steve to stick his screwdriver in our necks and only then consider using a Tazer or would the common sense approach be to use the device before the screwdriver gets inserted?

Which option would you choose?
As it is crazysteve, i'd suggest the glock option, plant the screwdriver later.

I'm all for cops defending themselves. But there is a line blurring a) when you are in danger, b) when you are likely to be in danger, and c) when it's possible you might be in danger. There is also the "hurry the fuck up shitbag zap that learned the mutha" applications.

McJim

30th August 2006, 12:55

....given him a flower instead of pulling my glock out??

You pulled your what out? Oh sorry...sounded like something else there...but thanks for proving my point.:rofl:

spudchucka

30th August 2006, 13:02

As it is crazysteve, i'd suggest the glock option, plant the screwdriver later.

I'm all for cops defending themselves. But there is a line blurring a) when you are in danger, b) when you are likely to be in danger, and c) when it's possible you might be in danger. There is also the "hurry the fuck up shitbag zap that learned the mutha" applications.

There might be a blurred line from your perspective but I know, and I'd suggest that any frontline cop also knows, when he / she is in a situation that is likely to be a threat to their personal well being. Little things like training and experience kinda lead you to having that ability.

muzz

30th August 2006, 13:08

Or maybe you bunch of useless cunts should stamp out the gangs? A shoot to kill policy on patches would go down a treat.

They are the biggest gang.

The_Dover

30th August 2006, 13:11

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 13:37

I think you just summed up in a few words exactly why the police should NOT be permitted them. Too much risk of a copper with the same attitude.

Clearly, you agree that the Taser WILL be used by police as a "punishment" - rather than to protect themselves. yes?

No, definately defensive option, but one which should be utilised if the officer is in a dangerous situation, thats a good thing I reckon.
Especially if a P induced rampaging lunatic is coming at you

scumdog

30th August 2006, 13:40

I'm looking forward to 6 month's time when we hear about Dairy robberies where the perp used a police issued Tazer for the robbery - it's only a matter of time before they fall into the wrong hands.

What a wonderful can of worms has been potentially opened!

Yep, happens all the time with Police Glocks, Bushmasters, pepperspray and Police issue asp batons eh?

Nice troll.

Lou Girardin

30th August 2006, 13:41

There might be a blurred line from your perspective but I know, and I'd suggest that any frontline cop also knows, when he / she is in a situation that is likely to be a threat to their personal well being. Little things like training and experience kinda lead you to having that ability.

Like the wanker who pepper sprayed a hancuffed prisoner in front of TV cameras. Did he have sufficient training and experience to realise that a restrained person on the ground is no threat?
Or even on two occasions, firing at a moving car to stop it!
You guys shoot yourselves in both feet on a regular basis.

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 13:41

Here let me buy you a big cup of shut the fuck up :drinkup:

BWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH at Dover

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 13:47

scumdog

30th August 2006, 13:51

To all you poor unhappy residents of NZ: Piss off to another country where there are no speed cameras, lasers, tasers, radar, pepper-spray, Glocks, rude cops, dishonest politicians, bad drivers, rip-off bike sales, expensive petrol and poor roads - I think it's a place called Honalee...

Tazers? They're here, like it or lump it we got 'em, keep whinging about it on KB if that's what it takes to make you happy.

Have a nice day.

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 14:03

To all you poor unhappy residents of NZ: Piss off to another country where there are no speed cameras, lasers, tasers, radar, pepper-spray, Glocks, rude cops, dishonest politicians, bad drivers, rip-off bike sales, expensive petrol and poor roads - I think it's a place called Honalee...
Have a nice day.

Most of the crew havent travelled much, dont know when they got it good.

kiwifruit

30th August 2006, 14:06

i havent read the whole thread, sorry...
but i dont think its a bad thing the police get these tazers, they are there to protect us and themselves, im fairly sure they wouldnt get used unless necessary.
fucked if i'd do what they do without one!
There maybe one or two cops that may end up using them in the wrong situation, but i think the advantages out wieght the negatives. IMHO of course.

spudchucka

30th August 2006, 14:12

Like the wanker who pepper sprayed a hancuffed prisoner in front of TV cameras. Did he have sufficient training and experience to realise that a restrained person on the ground is no threat?
Or even on two occasions, firing at a moving car to stop it!
You guys shoot yourselves in both feet on a regular basis.

One incident caught on camera and broadcast without any information as to the circumstances and you tar us all with the same brush. I've sprayed handcuffed people before, the last one was a female, drugged out, handcuffed in the back of the patrol car, with another cop trying to restrain her using "minimal" force but still managing to kick me while I'm driving her back to the station.

If anyone with a video camera had seen me pull over, stop, lean through to the back seat and spray the bitch in the face and then drive on again, what would they have thought of that? Would I be on TV3 news and all of the retards on this site damning me to hell because I'm a corrupt pig. Would anyone be interested in the circumstances or would you all be bleating like you are now?

Don't bother answering the question cos I already know what they will be.

idb

30th August 2006, 14:25

Do the Tazer electrodes get cleaned after each use?
Can you get Hepatitis or AIDS transmitted?

Shouldn't they be cleaned before use?

That's where the law suits will start.

idb

30th August 2006, 14:27

All Officers as part of their taser training are subjected to a taser stun.

Soooo..........why isn't the same thing done with firearms training.......?

Squeak the Rat

30th August 2006, 14:32

Most of the crew havent travelled much, dont know when they got it good.

Most of the non-cops on the last 3 pages of this thread have spent a considerable amount of time outside NZ..... :rofl:

From now on we should all be good citizens and trust the government and police because another country is worse than ours. :zzzz: I'm bored with whinging, I'm off to be a good citizen. I hope the tazzers make it easier for the coppas, and I hope people don't get zapped without good reason. :bye:

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 14:41

Most of the non-cops on the last 3 pages of this thread have spent a considerable amount of time outside NZ.....

I was referrring to the "against tazer" debaters in that they should see how other countries sought out scum

Crazy Steve

30th August 2006, 15:03

No Gun for me...

But I have been carrying a screwdriver since 1985....

Only for protection...

And the Cops know I do....so Tazer me if you can PIG!!!!

But if I get the chance I will STAB YOU..

AND IN THE FCKING THROAT!!!!

Crazy Steve..

PIGS are just STAB VICTIMS they just dont know it...:yes:

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Dear Quasievil,

My original Quote was not intended for any Sworn Members of the New Zealand Police, that are related to KIWIBIKER...AS AN ACT OF ABUSE!

I was stating that if im Tazered...I will act in Self defence to insure that no SERIOUS HARM OR DEATH comes upon me..

Crazy Steve..

The_Dover

30th August 2006, 15:23

Ive been a cop for four years.

I like to think ive been in enough situations when my life and other peoples lives have been in danger that i can make well balanced and correct decision's based on previous experiences and my training.

You don't know me and despite all your big talk i severly doubt you have been in anything near the number of high stress life/death situations i have been in.

Here let me buy you a big cup of shut the fuck up :drinkup:

Thanks for the big cup of STFU.

Did it occur to me that you don't know me either?

And I'd hardly call subdueing drunks, writing tickets and chasing shoplifters life and death you fuckin drama queen. Breaking up drunken fights and domestics is hardly frontline warfare either.

4 years in the pigs and you're fuckin T.J Hooker.

NEWSFLASH - This is Auckland not L.A.

Lou Girardin

30th August 2006, 15:30

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Dear Quasievil,

My original Quote was not intended for any Sworn Members of the New Zealand Police, that are related to KIWIBIKER...AS AN ACT OF ABUSE!

I was stating that if im Tazered...I will act in Self defence to insure that no SERIOUS HARM OR DEATH comes upon me..

Crazy Steve..

So, who else got pinged? There was plenty of other abuse in this thread.

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 15:35

So, who else got pinged? There was plenty of other abuse in this thread.

No one, only got one complaint.

Crazy Steve

30th August 2006, 15:40

I think every person has the ability to recognise a threat to oneself dont they? If you have a situation which you feel threatened in and you are a police officer why shouldnt you have an arsenal to draw from, why shouldnt you protect yourself. If you are the offender and you are threatening a police officer I hope you get nailed to the fucken wall with a tazer and spray or whatever 1/ you shouldnt be threatening an officer of the law 2/ if you do I would not like to see any PC namby Pamby bullshit for the offender to hide behind.
Tuff policing is what this country needs with violent offenders and OTT drunks and Drug users.
Scumdog, Dyna and Spud.............give them an extra 50,000 volts from ol Quasi will ya.
Oh and if its Dover give him a tickle with the batton :dodge: as well and if Crazy Steve, well just fucken shoot him before he gets his screwdriver out

Thanks Quasi,

I actually thought you were a Nice guy..Untill you posted that!!

I remember riding two months ago with you on the Taranaki ride...And that young guy almost crashed around that lefthand corner right in front of us...

I slowed down so that rider wouldnt keep racing...And you blasted past him like a FCKN NOOB!!!!!

Then said rider started to chased you....Well done Mentor!!!!

WELL DONE......MENTOR..

Weather its Shooting some inicent or racing some newbie to his/her death..............I will always Remember the name Quasi..:(

Crazy Steve.

Finn

30th August 2006, 15:45

You don't know me and despite all your big talk i severly doubt you have been in anything near the number of high stress life/death situations i have been in.

You've obviously never been on a ride with Dover.

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 15:49

Thanks Quasi,

I actually thought you were a Nice guy..Untill you posted that!!

I remember riding two months ago with you on the Taranaki ride...And that young guy almost crashed around that lefthand corner right in front of us...

I slowed down so that rider wouldnt keep racing...And you blasted past him like a FCKN NOOB!!!!!

Then said rider started to chased you....Well done Mentor!!!!

WELL DONE......MENTOR..

Weather its Shooting some inicent or racing some newbie to his/her death..............I will always Remember the name Quasi..:(

Crazy Steve.

You got that wrong sorry Steve, he admitted he was racing me, I took off as I suspected as much ie took away the temptation from him, I tried yelling for him to follow me for a while but strangely he couldnt hear me. Once we stopped at Awakino I had a long talk to him and discussed the event, talked about bike setup etc and offered to spend some time, later I gave him a prize, also the said rider didnt start to chase me, I took off and was alone for a while actually which wasnt hard 250 vs 999 ?

Think of me what you like Crazy Steve I dont really care, post crapola like you have will get you an infraction unfortunetly, thats the site rules especially if a complant is given.

Sorry if you feel you want to get all personal, but go for it, I dont mind. Infact I can imagine already before this goes to a posting the Quasi bashing coming from certain members, let me hit "submit reply" and see lol

Finn

30th August 2006, 15:53

I can hear the grinding sound of a screwdriver being sharpened...

McJim

30th August 2006, 16:00

I have to confess that I have never been in any contact with any police force anywhere so my opinions about them have been pretty neutral up until now.

I am saddened to see how the police have risen to the bait on this online forum and deeply concerned at the love of firearms that seems to have been exhibited by members of the police.

I'm also jaded at being fobbed off by personnel at a police station (Namely Howick) when I tried to report a crime that was commited against me.

I still have great faith in the Strathclyde Police Force having seen them in action from a distance and hearing of positive experiences from members of the public.

From the public feedback I have heard since my arrival in New Zealand and the publicity on television my opinions of police are rather jaded to say the least.

C'mon fellas - learn some magnanimity - this is not abuse - neither was my post about hearts and minds so don't defend yourself from something that is not a verbal attack.

Cheers Dudes

The_Dover

30th August 2006, 16:00

I smell bacon

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 16:04

I smell bacon

Can I have Sauce on mine?

McJim

30th August 2006, 16:05

Can I have Sauce on mine?

S'gotta be HP - Watties tomato sauce ain't no good on a bacon butty

The_Dover

30th August 2006, 16:17

Can I have Sauce on mine?

Yeah, Dover's Speshul Man Mayo ok for ya?

Crazy Steve

30th August 2006, 16:18

You got that wrong sorry Steve, he admitted he was racing me, I took off as I suspected as much ie took away the temptation from him, I tried yelling for him to follow me for a while but strangely he couldnt hear me. Once we stopped at Awakino I had a long talk to him and discussed the event, talked about bike setup etc and offered to spend some time, later I gave him a prize, also the said rider didnt start to chase me, I took off and was alone for a while actually which wasnt hard 250 vs 999 ?

Think of me what you like Crazy Steve I dont really care, post crapola like you have will get you an infraction unfortunetly, thats the site rules especially if a complant is given.

Sorry if you feel you want to get all personal, but go for it, I dont mind. Infact I can imagine already before this goes to a posting the Quasi bashing coming from certain members, let me hit "submit reply" and see lol

Im not gonna get personal Quasi..

And the infraction Ive recived im more than happy to have on my File..

As for the (Tazers) Ive recived a blast from one in the UK..which was part of my training in Surrey..(And they can kill)

I wonder how many KB`s that make comments that they are Police Officers actually are????

And how Many KB`s that dont..(Have been once)

Crazy Steve..

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 16:22

I Think that our KB Cops should be due a bit of respect, certainly more so than has been displayed on this thread, they are bikers for one and two they are a very handy source of information to us all on legal issues, Ive seen many threads where a valid and qualified opinion has helped us civilians with a issue or problem, if they were to leave the site, the KB community would be less a valuable site for it.

Common lets hug the coppas :grouphug:

Lou Girardin

30th August 2006, 16:22

I can hear the grinding sound of a screwdriver being sharpened...

Phillips, Slot head or Quasidrive?

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 16:24

[quote=Crazy Steve;737035]
As for the (Tazers) Ive recived a blast from one in the UK..which was part of my training in Surrey
[quote]

Ouch Tell us about that ????:corn:

Crazy Steve

30th August 2006, 16:32

[quote=Crazy Steve;737035]
As for the (Tazers) Ive recived a blast from one in the UK..which was part of my training in Surrey
[quote]

Ouch Tell us about that ????:corn:

No Comment..

Crazy Steve.

The_Dover

30th August 2006, 16:36

What do you mean did it occur to me that i didnt know you? I dont know you and i have never worked in your job so i dont take the piss out of it. Whats your point?

I have been stabbed at, thrown of a building, beaten up on numerous occasions, had a gun pointed in my face, had an axe thrown at me, a large mentally disturbed male back me into the wall swinging a golf driver at my head, seen two of my mates shot at and have had someone try and run over me....and thats just off the top of my head.

If i went to the massive pile of filing i have i could find many many more occasions where i have been in life and death/situations involving myself and other members of the public that i have dealt with.

All of these situations have occured when i was trying to help a member of the public, or when i was proactively looking for crime.

I suggest you take another cup of shut the fuck up because apart from resorting to your normal childish insults that i get from drunken teenages in town there is nothing new in your post.

Your not a cop and you don't know my job. Yes this is not L.A but we do have serious crime problems to indicate we don't is a crock of shit.

What do you want? A medal?

Move to a country with real crime problems then cry about it. I don't take the piss out of your job. I state I have no respect for the pigs due to my dealings with them and what I see with my own eyes.

So go fuck yourself, and next time hopefully it'll be a bigger building or someone with a better aim.

EDIT: and while I'm here you snivelling little hero, you have never ridden with me yet feel qualified to "take the piss" out of my riding. Fuckin crybaby hypocrite.

Indoo

30th August 2006, 16:42

I am saddened to see how the police have risen to the bait on this online forum and deeply concerned at the love of firearms that seems to have been exhibited by members of the police.

I'm also jaded at being fobbed off by personnel at a police station (Namely Howick) when I tried to report a crime that was commited against me.

I still have great faith in the Strathclyde Police Force having seen them in action from a distance and hearing of positive experiences from members of the public.

From the public feedback I have heard since my arrival in New Zealand and the publicity on television my opinions of police are rather jaded to say the least.

C'mon fellas - learn some magnanimity - this is not abuse - neither was my post about hearts and minds so don't defend yourself from something that is not a verbal attack.

Cheers Dudes

This is the internet, I suggest you get some sense of perspective.

Winja, CrazySteve, Dover and co can rave on about killing cops with screwdrivers or gloating when cops die, its called free speech, that doesn't make them criminals and they aren't going to get arrested for talking shit on the internet. The funny thing is most of them are undoubtedly decent buggers just talking crap and we have waved at each other.

How do you want people who ride bikes and happen to be members of the Police to respond? I don't think crazy steve expected a reply from members of this forum along the lines of "Hi Steven, I'm sorry that your experiences with the Police have been negative, I understand and fully support your expression of interest to stab me in the throat with a screwdriver". It runs both ways which is what makes it interesting

Its a total tragedy that you have experienced sadness as a result of this shit talking, I'm actually holding a minutes silence right now to recognise and respect the trauma you have been though.

sAsLEX

30th August 2006, 16:43

Ixion You Should Start A Post On That Progresive Group Protest, Progresive Are Bunch Of Cunts , They Say They Cant Pay Better Wages But They Syphon A Shit Load Of Money Off Back To Aussie, Also They Monopolised The Market By Buying Woolworths Then Steadily Put The Prices Up

And they used the RMA bullshit law to stop pack and save being built near me as they cant compete fairly with them, bunch of cunts them and the government for allowing that to happen imho

McJim

30th August 2006, 16:45

Common lets hug the coppas :grouphug:

Not after the gun loving small mindedness that's been displayed here.

I no longer trust them. Before today I did.

Sorry.

Lou Girardin

30th August 2006, 16:59

Be sure not to miss the next episode of "When Good Threads Go Bad"

The_Dover

30th August 2006, 17:02

Why is it a pretty stupid comeback? Why do you feel you can judge and abuse based on hearsay yet others cant express an opinion based on personal experience?

All of that action in 4 years and still no medals?

My point has never changed in all my pig hating, you guys are inept and can't tackle serious crime let alone the petty shit. You have a bad public image because of your belligerent "we are in the right" attitude when it is clear you are FAILING.

In 90% of my dealings with the police, as a victim of crime, they have done fuck all. I have seen police abuse their position and act in a grossly unprofessional manner and I have no respect for the police force. Live with it. I had nothing personal against you until you decided you could give it but not take it and your blind ignorance to the inadequacies of the "upholders" of the law.

Now, go fuck yourself like a good little piggy.

WINJA

30th August 2006, 17:04

This is the internet, I suggest you get some sense of perspective.

Winja, CrazySteve, Dover and co can rave on about killing cops with screwdrivers or gloating when cops die, its called free speech, that doesn't make them criminals and they aren't going to get arrested for talking shit on the internet. The funny thing is most of them are undoubtedly decent buggers just talking crap and we have waved at each other.

How do you want people who ride bikes and happen to be members of the Police to respond? I don't think crazy steve expected a reply from members of this forum along the lines of "Hi Steven, I'm sorry that your experiences with the Police have been negative, I understand and fully support your expression of interest to stab me in the throat with a screwdriver". It runs both ways which is what makes it interesting

Its a total tragedy that you have experienced sadness as a result of this shit talking, I'm actually holding a minutes silence right now to recognise and respect the trauma you have been though.

JUST TO CLARIFY ,I GAVE MY OPENING STATEMENT AS A SCENARIO

Maha

30th August 2006, 17:09

If It Was Me I Woulda Shot Them In The Cock And Kept Shocking Them Till The Batterys Were Dead

Listen to yourself dick......:rofl:
It seems ok to whatever you think is right (in your tiny mind)
Go the cops...bout fucken' time, im thinking you must be worried shitless about Tazer's because you have 'pick me' tattooed on you forehead...
If you were to go to country where the cops wear side arms you would have a slug up your ass within a week of stepping off the plane, but im also thinking that your toughness you perceive on here is just that...perception..:done:

The_Dover

30th August 2006, 17:14

What hearsay? how does this relate to whether im experienced or not enough to use a tazer?

What is your point?

There are heaps of inadequacies in the Police, we can't police crime properly and our traffic focus is over zealous at the expense of the general duty branch.

You indicate that im too young and inexperienced to use a tazer and i refuted it.

Apart from the one bike comment to you when do i "give it"?

I can't speak for every cop but i do work hard in my job and i never turn down a Complaint unless i cannot prove it or there is no law in relation to it.

Are you getting angry darling?

You have made numerous comments and yeah, I questioned whether a 23 year old pig has the experience and training to carry an incapacitating weapon and judge when to use it. You'd probably piss yourself and zap some poor old lady if she stopped to ask you for directions in a dark alleyway, due to the trauma of all your past "experience" of course.

Indoo

30th August 2006, 17:16

Not after the gun loving small mindedness that's been displayed here.

I no longer trust them. Before today I did.

Sorry.

As an ex-pom I always used to wonder why we got such a bad rep as whiners until I met drama queens like you.

Wipe up those tears and please quote all the gun loving small mindedness that has been expressed by people claiming to be cops.

Lou Girardin

30th August 2006, 17:23

you guys are inept and can't tackle serious crime let alone the petty shit. You have a bad public image because of your belligerent "we are in the right" attitude when it is clear you are FAILING.

Brian Rowe, an ex-cop turned private investigator, has said the same thing. The nature of Police culture means they will not admit they're wrong until long after they're pinned to the wall.
Of course, they think he's a traitor now. He's exposing shoddy investigative work in many of their high profile cases.

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 17:25

Just to clarify and set direction, what exactly is the debate?

Oh and Guys keep it nice please:yes:

McJim

30th August 2006, 17:25

As an ex-pom I always used to wonder why we got such a bad rep as whiners until I met drama queens like you.

Wipe up those tears and please quote all the gun loving small mindedness that has been expressed by people claiming to be cops.

Buwahahahah

Don't take me seriously dude. I jus' wanted people to feel a wee bit guilty for being gung ho that's all.

I'll take a local copper for a pint to show nae hard feelings - good enuff? Dynamytus50 - you're close enough - want to discuss over a beer?

also I'm not a pom and as for whingeing - have you heard the kiwis on the subject of their weather (which incidentally is fantastic - I've seen a whole day without rainfall here - never saw that in Glesga!) the kiwis complain about the smallest cloud!

Keep it real:rofl:

Ixion

30th August 2006, 17:36

,,
Oh and if its Dover give him a tickle with the batton :dodge: as well and if Crazy Steve, well just fucken shoot him before he gets his screwdriver out

Is this not abuse of members? Are you going to infract yourself Mr Quasievil ?
It seems every bit as abusive as the post for which Mr Crazy Steve was infracted. And more so since his was a generic iabuse of unspecified "pigs" whereas this is direct abuse of a named member.

scumdog

30th August 2006, 17:46

Brian Rowe, an ex-cop turned private investigator, has said the same thing. The nature of Police culture means they will not admit they're wrong until long after they're pinned to the wall.
Of course, they think he's a traitor now. He's exposing shoddy investigative work in many of their high profile cases.

I'll admit I'm wrong when I AM wrong, if somebody else is wrong that's their call.

If every cop that the public thought were wrong said "yep, I screwed up, sorry" would the public be rolling in sheer ecstacy and gratitude??

I don't think so Tim.

Too many here are sinking the boot into individual cops who have no relation to many of the events/incident mentioned by KBers (or worse, theoretical incidents mentioned)

WINJA

30th August 2006, 17:47

Is this not abuse of members? Are you going to infract yourself Mr Quasievil ?
It seems every bit as abusive as the post for which Mr Crazy Steve was infracted. And more so since his was a generic iabuse of unspecified "pigs" whereas this is direct abuse of a named member.

QUASI IS A WANKER , HE GAVE ME AN INFRACTION FOR HASSLING SPANK AND ZED

scumdog

30th August 2006, 17:51

QUASI IS A WANKER , HE GAVE ME AN INFRACTION FOR HASSLING SPANK AND ZED

I thought getting infractions was your 'thing'??:innocent:

SwanTiger

30th August 2006, 17:58

FUCK SHIT BITCH HOMO CUNT SLUT WHORE TART MINGA TWOT RETARD SLAG, I'M GOING TO TAZER YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU ARE UGLY PIECES OF SHIT WITH SMALL PENISES AND DESERVE A SLOW AND HORRIBLE DEATH.

Thank you.

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 17:58

Is this not abuse of members? Are you going to infract yourself Mr Quasievil ?
It seems every bit as abusive as the post for which Mr Crazy Steve was infracted. And more so since his was a generic iabuse of unspecified "pigs" whereas this is direct abuse of a named member.

No not really, rather a suitable reaction to him coming at you with a screwdriver as he suggested he would towards a policeman but its okay, I knew it would be a great opportunity for a few of you to Quasi Bash, seems to be a popular passtime, go for it

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 18:00

QUASI IS A WANKER , HE GAVE ME AN INFRACTION FOR HASSLING SPANK AND ZED

Thanks Winja, I think you asked for it, as you usually do, besides every infraction Ive given (3) resulted from a member complaint so there ya go Mr Snotty

WINJA

30th August 2006, 18:02

Thanks Winja, I think you asked for it, as you usually do, besides every infraction Ive given (3) resulted from a member complaint so there ya go Mr Snotty

AND AS I ASKED YOU IN THE PM , WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT ME? WAS IT ZED? AND OF COURSE YOU DIDNT ANSWER ME

SwanTiger

30th August 2006, 18:03

Thanks Winja, I think you asked for it up the arse, as you usually do, besides every arse fuckin' Ive given (3) resulted from a member complaint so there ya go My Sweety
Only three? I expected that all Moderators would be given a quota to meet. I guess not.

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 18:05

AND AS I ASKED YOU IN THE PM , WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT ME? WAS IT ZED? AND OF COURSE YOU DIDNT ANSWER ME

Should I? I dunno, might start a war.

WINJA

30th August 2006, 18:07

Should I? I dunno, might start a war.

OF COURSE YOU SHOULD , I SHOULD KNOW WHO MY ACCUSER IS

WINJA

30th August 2006, 18:10

Listen to yourself dick......:rofl:
It seems ok to whatever you think is right (in your tiny mind)
Go the cops...bout fucken' time, im thinking you must be worried shitless about Tazer's because you have 'pick me' tattooed on you forehead...
If you were to go to country where the cops wear side arms you would have a slug up your ass within a week of stepping off the plane, but im also thinking that your toughness you perceive on here is just that...perception..:done:

AND YOUR A FUCKWITT , THAT STATEMENT I MADE WAS CLEARLY SAID IN JEST , AGAIN YOUR A REAL FUCKWITT AND A RETERD

SuperDave

30th August 2006, 18:11

You think a large minority (what the fuck is a large minority??) is corrupt. Jesus Christ mate swap our Police for what the aussies have. Try bitching when you get pulled over there like people do over here and see what happens.

Yeah we got problems, certainly with crime response, but we don't have the wide spread corruption that other police departments have.

Allow me to explain it to you with an example:

If 2% of cops are corrupt then that is a minority yes?
Now if 25% of cops are corrupt then that is still a minority because the other 75% are not, yet even though it is a minority it is still a large percentage and thus a large minority. What one considers a as a large or small minority really depends on them. It's really not a hard concept to grasp.

Just because the Australia's police system is more corrupt or whatever you say they are shouldn't serve as an excuse for our New Zealand police force. Yes comparison is a interesting tool but just because another country's police force is failing doesn't make our failures any better or make our problems any better.

Because someone else is in debt of $200,000 it doesn't help your situation of being in debt of $100,000. Does it?

You don't see support when it is there. Read my post again and you'll see I am quite supportive of the New Zealand Police, I support them being better equipped to do their jobs by being provided with the taser for example. Just read my post again. Your response to my post was very defensive, as a result I find myself agreeing with other posters that many cops need to change their attitudes.

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 18:12

Not telling unless Spank Me tells me to tell, then I will tell......

Anyway not wanting to be the one for taking this thread off topic and getting an infraction for it as per the new rules layed out by spankme.

How is those tazers Huh? when do they get them? can I have one to plug into the seats of some members and fire a barb up their arses from my laptop at home? now that would be great !!!:dodge:

Crazy Steve

30th August 2006, 18:14

No not really, rather a suitable reaction to him coming at you with a screwdriver as he suggested he would towards a policeman ie steve wallace and a golf club
but its okay, I knew it would be a great opportunity for a few of you to Quasi Bash, seems to be a popular passtime, go for it

Really.....

Quasi please dont use use S..Wallace`s name is this thread Its a family member of mine....And as a Family member im asking you to edit his name in respect please..

Steven.

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 18:16

Really.....

Quasi please dont use use S..Wallace`s name is this thread Its a family member of mine....And as a Family member im asking you to edit his name in respect please..

Steven.

Sure, sorry no offence intended.

I changed my earlier post also, sorry if that offended but I dont think it did?

Finn

30th August 2006, 18:18

TV3 news guys. They have a bit about tazers on shortly.

But keep going, this is good. Mods against mods etc. Great stuff!

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 18:22

AND YOUR A FUCKWITT , THAT STATEMENT I MADE WAS CLEARLY SAID IN JEST , AGAIN YOUR A REAL FUCKWITT AND A RETERD

Now thats abuse, ya see how hard it is for a mod do I infract or not, I choose not because I like you so much.:shutup:

Anyway, I think the whole tazer thing is a great idea but who really cares and who just saw an opportunity for a good ole debate huh?

Dang its been great !

WINJA

30th August 2006, 18:29

Now thats abuse, ya see how hard it is for a mod do I infract or not, I choose not because I like you so much.:shutup:

Anyway, I think the whole tazer thing is a great idea but who really cares and who just saw an opportunity for a good ole debate huh?

Dang its been great !

HE ABUSED ME FIRST , YOUR MORE ONE EYED THAN SARGE

Quasievil

30th August 2006, 18:33

HE ABUSED ME FIRST , YOUR MORE ONE EYED THAN SARGE

Well lay a complaint, you can do that Mr Winja? by the way just got another complaint against you to lol for your abuse above, on this page............sorry man might have to take another hit for the boys

Scouse

30th August 2006, 19:12

All Officers as part of their taser training are subjected to a taser stun.maybe they should do the same for their firearms training

Maha

30th August 2006, 20:03

AND YOUR A FUCKWITT , THAT STATEMENT I MADE WAS CLEARLY SAID IN JEST , AGAIN YOUR A REAL FUCKWITT AND A RETERD

Thanks mate, i see the Kip McGrath lessons are coming along just fine.....:love:

McJim

30th August 2006, 20:26

(or worse, theoretical incidents mentioned)

Theoretical incidents? You havin' another pop at me pop?:rofl:

Most good plans and strategies are the result of someone coming up with theortical possibilities to create contingencies that then become the aforementioned good plans and strategies.

scumdog

30th August 2006, 21:50

Theoretical incidents? You havin' another pop at me pop?:rofl:

Most good plans and strategies are the result of someone coming up with theortical possibilities to create contingencies that then become the aforementioned good plans and strategies.
Listen pal, dinna come at me wi' yer strategies annat, Ah'm frae Gleska an' deed fly!!:yes:

McJim

30th August 2006, 21:55

Listen pal, dinna come at me wi' yer strategies annat, Ah'm frae Gleska an' deed fly!!:yes:

Ocht big yin, how come ye didnae say so afore furfuksake? 'Snae wunner ye've settled in Invercargil or therraboots coz it's awfie like hame in many respex. Ah've goat a shiteloada femily fae my wife's side lives doon that way so we're aye visitin the toon. I'll awa and gie ye a shout next time ah'm doon and we can mibbe sup some ale the gither?

Awra best big man.

scumdog

30th August 2006, 21:58

Ocht big yin, how come ye didnae say so afore furfuksake? 'Snae wunner ye've settled in Invercargil or therraboots coz it's awfie like hame in many respex. Ah've goat a shiteloada femily fae my wife's side lives doon that way so we're aye visitin the toon. I'll awa and gie ye a shout next time ah'm doon and we can mibbe sup some ale the gither?

Awra best big man.

Grand! Jist PM me furst eh?

PS, Ahm no in Invercargill.

Quasievil

31st August 2006, 13:03

I think every person has the ability to recognise a threat to oneself dont they? If you have a situation which you feel threatened in and you are a police officer why shouldnt you have an arsenal to draw from, why shouldnt you protect yourself. If you are the offender and you are threatening a police officer I hope you get nailed to the fucken wall with a tazer and spray or whatever 1/ you shouldnt be threatening an officer of the law 2/ if you do I would not like to see any PC namby Pamby bullshit for the offender to hide behind.
Tuff policing is what this country needs with violent offenders and OTT drunks and Drug users.
Scumdog, Dyna and Spud.............give them an extra 50,000 volts from ol Quasi will ya.
Oh and if its Dover give him a tickle with the batton :dodge: as well and if Crazy Steve, well just fucken shoot him before he gets his screwdriver out

Okay everyone listen up.
I have recieved a complaint from a member who regards my comment toward Crazy Steve as abuse.
I have apologized to Crazy Steve later in this post.
I cannot infract myself, it cant happen, I can publicly state on KB to those concerned I am sorry for this extreme outburst on my part.
So Goblin, Crazy Steve, take my apology and hopefully that will end the matter, if not please discuss it with Spankme.
thanks

SwanTiger

31st August 2006, 13:12

Finn

31st August 2006, 13:19

Just a thought. So now the cops have to carry; Baton, Cuffs, Pepper Spray, Radio, Cute little detectives pad, Really big ticket book, torch and now a Bro zapper?

Inspector Gadget?

Edit: My mention of Bro zapper is not rasict. That hideous maori politician said that maori were the most likely to be zapped.

spudchucka

31st August 2006, 13:31

Just a thought. So now the cops have to carry; Baton, Cuffs, Pepper Spray, Radio, Cute little detectives pad, Really big ticket book, torch and now a Bro zapper?

Thats why they give us 1/2 price McDonalds, so that we end up with a waist line round enough to accomodate the belt required to carry all that shit.

idb

31st August 2006, 13:40

I heard Hone Harawira on the radio yesterday claiming that the tazer was plainly racist because it was going to be trialled in Otara and wondering why it wasn't being done so in Remuera.
Not being from that area (the North Island I mean) I wonder how often you see anyone in Remuera outside their high walls or Pajero long enough to get a clean shot.
Not racist...just pragmatic I would have thought.

Indoo

31st August 2006, 14:36

Okay everyone listen up.
I have recieved a complaint from a member who regards my comment toward Crazy Steve as abuse.
I have apologized to Crazy Steve later in this post.
I cannot infract myself, it cant happen, I can publicly state on KB to those concerned I am sorry for this extreme outburst on my part.
So Goblin, Crazy Steve, take my apology and hopefully that will end the matter, if not please discuss it with Spankme.
thanks

What did you say that needed apologising for? It would be slightly late to taser poor wee Steve with a screw driver in your throat, its just good practical advice that you might wanna try and stop him prior to that. And let me guess the pathetic whiny soft cock who complained condemns your comment yet condones Steves.

I heard Hone Harawira on the radio yesterday claiming that the tazer was plainly racist because it was going to be trialled in Otara and wondering why it wasn't being done so in Remuera.
Not being from that area (the North Island I mean) I wonder how often you see anyone in Remuera outside their high walls or Pajero long enough to get a clean shot.
Not racist...just pragmatic I would have thought.

There are lots of smart, intelligent and sucessful Maori Leaders, why they continue to elect pig shit ignorant and racist bigots like this tosser and even worse Tariana Turia continues to astound me. He does realise that Remuera comes under the Eastern Area which includes Panmure,Glen Innes,Mt Wellington and Onehunga. Those areas aren't exactly deemed to be white and exclusive and no doubt there are a fair few poor Tangata Whenua equally likely to be picked on by racist cops.

The_Dover

31st August 2006, 14:46

I'd say they'd be better off having them in Remmer's so they can tazer all the bastards going up there to do the burgs and steal the nice beemers.

Squeak the Rat

31st August 2006, 15:10

The Remuera wife-beaters usually come to their senses a bit when the cops turn up.

Lou Girardin

31st August 2006, 15:14

Thats why they give us 1/2 price McDonalds, so that we end up with a waist line round enough to accomodate the belt required to carry all that shit.

That must be why so manyPleece women have big fat arses. Rest the belt on their hips.
Like the black chick on Reno 911

Lou Girardin

31st August 2006, 15:15

Lol i don't think it will get used in remuera thats why...

No, they'd sue your arses into the ground.

Quasievil

31st August 2006, 15:21

What did you say that needed apologising for? It would be slightly late to taser poor wee Steve with a screw driver in your throat, its just good practical advice that you might wanna try and stop him prior to that. And let me guess the pathetic whiny soft cock who complained condemns your comment yet condones Steves.

Because I was getting so much bloody grief about it, I guess I cant say much without getting chastised by a few.
Thats okay, I dont mind apologizing if I say something to upset people, I usually apologize, Im not that big headed so that I cant.

Im a bit grumpy though!!!!! a grumpy mod is what ya got people

Anyway back on track ie Tazers etc from here on in guys and girls.......enjoy

McJim

31st August 2006, 15:32

So how much charge does it hold?

Like if I've had 5 seconds of Zap and then decide not to take the nice police officers' advice to keep still and let him put handcuffs on me can he give me another 5 seconds of Zap or is he "Spent"?

I noticed in the photos that they've insulated the wires now - makes it harder to short circuit them - have to wear a tin foil vest for future ref.

idb

31st August 2006, 15:36

I noticed in the photos that they've insulated the wires now - makes it harder to short circuit them - have to wear a tin foil vest for future ref.

They think of everything don't they....clever bastards?!

Ixion

31st August 2006, 15:41

.. He does realise that Remuera comes under the Eastern Area which includes Panmure,Glen Innes,Mt Wellington and Onehunga. Those areas aren't exactly deemed to be white and exclusive and no doubt there are a fair few poor Tangata Whenua equally likely to be picked on by racist cops.

Oi.Technically \me can claim to be a tangata wozzit, and I live in Panmure. So can I claim it's racist prejudice if some cop tries to give me a speeding ticket?

Squeak the Rat

31st August 2006, 15:47

So how much charge does it hold?

Like if I've had 5 seconds of Zap and then decide not to take the nice police officers' advice to keep still and let him put handcuffs on me can he give me another 5 seconds of Zap or is he "Spent"?

Not sure how big the batteries are in total but they're certainly big enough for deserts.

Indoo

31st August 2006, 16:09

I'd say they'd be better off having them in Remmer's so they can tazer all the bastards going up there to do the burgs and steal the nice beemers.

Despite popular belief, there are actually a signficant number of criminals who live in Remuera on some of the most 'exclusive streets'. The amount of white collar company directors with numerous convictions for extensive fraud and just plains dodgy dealing, ripping off people etc is astounding in a suburb of such 'upstanding citizens'. They don't commit crime out of poverty or need but simply greed.

I still remember the 'upstanding' citizen I clocked doing 87kmh in a 50kmh across a zebra crossing a few years back outside a school at 8.15am with kids waiting to cross either side. Her excuse 'Get a real job you loser, I'm late for work my address is ** victoria avenue Remuera you know the most exclusive avenue in Remuera. The funny thing was she was actually a teacher.

Squeak the Rat

31st August 2006, 16:12

I still remember the 'upstanding' citizen I clocked doing 87kmh in a 50kmh across a zebra crossing a few years back outside a school at 8.15am with kids waiting to cross either side. Her excuse 'Get a real job you loser, I'm late for work my address is ** victoria avenue Remuera you know the most exclusive avenue in Remuera. The funny thing was she was actually a teacher.

Cool, now you'll be able to taser her when she tries to drive off.

[Edit:] Removed smiley, because under the rules of use you could justify this. Escaping with the possibility or likelyhood of injuring self or other people.

Lou Girardin

31st August 2006, 16:14

Despite popular belief, there are actually a signficant number of criminals who live in Remuera on some of the most 'exclusive streets'. The amount of white collar company directors with numerous convictions for extensive fraud and just plains dodgy dealing, ripping off people etc is astounding in a suburb of such 'upstanding citizens'. They don't commit crime out of poverty or need but simply greed.

What do you mean, "despite popular belief"?

The_Dover

31st August 2006, 16:16

What do you mean, "despite popular belief"?

Yeah, it's obvious you've got some ill gotten gains if you can afford those house prices.

Crazy Steve

31st August 2006, 16:22

Already I like the idea of cops carrying Tazer`s.....

It will give me a defence while they are processing me to shit in my pants and grab a hand full and smeer it all over me.....

Before I start kicking and punching....

Crazy Steve..

Squeak the Rat

31st August 2006, 16:29

Really? I can't say I'm surprised..........

Indoo

31st August 2006, 16:37

What do you mean, "despite popular belief"?

Not that you do, but alot of people as old Hone stated its full of respectable white people who are the backbone of society...

Patrick

1st September 2006, 15:55

Everyone says oooo cops shouldn't have to deal with people getting agro at them etc etc etc. It's in the bloody job description. If you don't like it then find another job only ambo's and firemen etc can have this argument.

Umm... NO?!?? If we don't like it, we react to it. Who else is going to sort it then if we all up and leave???? You???????????????????????????

Joining the army, going to war maybe, and getting shot perhaps is in that job description.

"Give em more tools to do the job..." they say.

So they give Tazers since Pepper spray doesn't work (shit... we knew that when it was introduced and some of the trialists wiped it away like water...took a dose in the mouth and in one eye and it wasn't too bad...tasted like shite though - poor quality alcohol, me thinks...) and the bleeding hearts cry foul.

If shootings by Police weren't so rare, would there be any argument about Tazers?

Patrick

1st September 2006, 16:01

IT IS PART OF OUR LIFE MORON , YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO HASNT BEEN FUCKED OVER BY THE POLICE YET, YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO HASNT STOOD IN COURT AND WATCHED THE PIGS LIE AND LIE THEN LIE SOMEMORE TO COVER THOSE LIES, IF THREAD DOESNT INTREST YOU THEN DONT READ IT AND DEFINATLY DONT POST IN IT

Never fucked anyone over, never lied, never "needed" to.

Were you the Defendant and knew all the facts or was it a mate who fed you a line on his watered down version of events and the reality was somewhat the opposite (as in what the Police said)??

Suggestion: Don't put yourself in the situation where you end up in court?

Patrick

1st September 2006, 16:07

JUST CAUSE ITS NOT CAUGHT ON FILM DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT HAPENING , SECOND CASE WAS ON THE RAILWAY TRACKS AT MORNINGSIDE AUCKLAND A HANDCUFFED GUY GOT PEPPER SPRAYED HE WAS ON THE GROUND AT THE TIME

So... because he was handcuffed, he can't kick, bite, headbutt, spit hepatitis C,...whatever...

Patrick

1st September 2006, 16:11

It's so typical of NZ, that when the US Justice Dept is investigating Tazer use, our Police force 'trials' them with no public consultation.
We are a Police State.

Nah... as with everything,we are 20 years behind in technology... in 20 years time they will "investigate" them.

Patrick

1st September 2006, 16:16

[QUOTE=Indoo;736733]...that poor innocent victims such as Stephen Wallace would be alive and positively contributing to society today.
QUOTE]

I hope that was a Tui moment???????

Patrick

1st September 2006, 16:24

So pigs like Dyna, who is 23 and clearly below average intelligence, are going to use their "years" of experience and "training" to ascertain when they are at threat?

Or will they be all gung ho, like little boys that get a hard on for guns tend to be, and go around tazing people indescriminately?

Not to mention that the thing will be locked in a box in the patrol car..............next to the radar gun and ticket book.

D50 learned early. 21 years now and I know he speaks the truth. You get your experience in the first week of street work. It is amazing how a smack in the head for no reason makes you more aware of what is pending...

Patrick

1st September 2006, 16:29

Do the Tazer electrodes get cleaned after each use?
Can you get Hepatitis or AIDS transmitted?

Shouldn't they be cleaned before use?

That's where the law suits will start.

Now there is an idea... all those Zimbabweans with aids can be Tazered as part of their application to enter NZ, don't clean the prongs, now... anyone wanna confront a Tazered up copper???

McJim

1st September 2006, 16:41

Patrick

1st September 2006, 16:44

Brian Rowe, an ex-cop turned private investigator, has said the same thing. The nature of Police culture means they will not admit they're wrong until long after they're pinned to the wall.
Of course, they think he's a traitor now. He's exposing shoddy investigative work in many of their high profile cases.

Yet if it was so bad, what did he do to rectify it? He was Assistant Commissioner, was he not?

Shoddy work that he could have stepped in to to ensure all was good?

Disgruntled ex member rings a familiar tune...

Patrick

1st September 2006, 16:52

McJim

1st September 2006, 16:53

Yet if it was so bad, what did he do to rectify it? He was Assistant Commissioner, was he not?

Shoddy work that he could have stepped in to to ensure all was good?

Disgruntled ex member rings a familiar tune...

Wow Patrick - you just proved Lou's point! Look at all the banter you're spouting just to back your mates up!

again I say chill, chill and thrice chill.:yes:

C'mon poor sods like me have got no one that protects us from the crims - no one that protects us from the police and we're getting punished for minor auto infringements all the time. What are we supposed to think?

Patrick

1st September 2006, 17:02

Wow - seven posts in a row - maybe more coming if I refresh the page?

dude calm down - sounds like you're the one with the guns, the holdens, the tazers, the batons, the judges on your side....I'm an innocent civilian and I'm the one that feels threatened...by you.

But at least I'll respect others to have their say between my posts.

chill

Just reading the comments and replying as I moved along...it's been a good read. Had been missing this one all along and only found it today!!!!

Many posts ignored, some deserving of a comment, coz I had nothing better to do. Yep a Holden and a baton. Pulled a gun once in 21 years on an armed offender. No Tazer. Judges on my side???? Pffttt.

Don't know why you feel threatened by little old me. I like beer... and donuts...

Patrick

1st September 2006, 17:11

Wow Patrick - you just proved Lou's point! Look at all the banter you're spouting just to back your mates up!

again I say chill, chill and thrice chill.:yes:

C'mon poor sods like me have got no one that protects us from the crims - no one that protects us from the police and we're getting punished for minor auto infringements all the time. What are we supposed to think?

Lou made a point, I disagree, thats all. Others made a point, I had a comment to make, thats all... thats what this is all about on here, is it not?

Backing my mates up? Yep, absolutely, ain't that what mates do??

Lie for them?? NEVER!!!!

Chill...? Jeez... any more chilled the heart will stop.

The_Dover

1st September 2006, 17:46

D50 learned early. 21 years now and I know he speaks the truth. You get your experience in the first week of street work. It is amazing how a smack in the head for no reason makes you more aware of what is pending...

Sounds like high school to me piggy.

Mom

1st September 2006, 20:15

FUCK SHIT BITCH HOMO CUNT SLUT WHORE TART MINGA TWOT RETARD SLAG, I'M GOING TO TAZER YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU ARE UGLY PIECES OF SHIT WITH SMALL PENISES AND DESERVE A SLOW AND HORRIBLE DEATH.

Thank you.

and you kiss that beautiful baby daughter of yours with that mouth???????:nono:

SwanTiger

1st September 2006, 20:22

and you kiss that beautiful baby daughter of yours with that mouth???????:nono:
It ain't my mouth its my fingers, and I change her dirty nappies with them :yes:

Come on Mod's, I didn't even get a warning for that post? :shutup:

McJim

1st September 2006, 20:25

Sounds like high school to me piggy.

Getting 'Smacked' in a Glasgow school had a different meaning...cost a few bob too ...even 20 years ago.

Nah, never got punched at school - got my fingers held in the hinges of a door while another kid kicked it shut. Been stabbed. Been hit on the back of the head with a brick (swelling made me go blind for 2 days on that one)....I could go on but I thought everyone went through that sort of shit at childhood so never brought it up until now.

So some people in New Zealand don't go through that until they join the cops? Cool. Maybe I did bring my kids to the right country after all.

McJim

1st September 2006, 20:26

It ain't my mouth its my fingers, and I change her dirty nappies with them :yes:

Come on Mod's, I didn't even get a warning for that post? :shutup:

Actually I thought you did what I do when you're on the forum and talked through your arse!:rofl:

Mom

1st September 2006, 20:35

you are a clever young man...lol....I was not complaining..........just not so good to see/read that sort of language seemingly for impact......mods must be driven mental dealing with all this sort of stuff.........I love the rudeness and pisstake, all part of the fun.....hate to see the good sport/rude/abusive/friendly stuff ruined by some attempting to go one better...:done:

SwanTiger

1st September 2006, 20:38

So some people in New Zealand don't go through that until they join the cops? Cool. Maybe I did bring my kids to the right country after all.
It was safe until Dover immigrated to New Zealand. Maybe we need immigration infractions, yes, hmm, perhaps.

Most of what you've described I've experienced and know others who have, I've even been shot at and had the bullet graze my left arm.

I'm looking forward to shooting any boys my daughter brings home when she is older, unless they ride a motorcycle.

Actually I thought you did what I do when you're on the forum and talked through your arse!:rofl:
That too.

Mom

1st September 2006, 20:47

I'm looking forward to shooting any boys my daughter brings home when she is older, unless they ride a motorcycle.
That too.

Bet you shit when she says.................bye dad and screams off on the back of a Roadking........:sick: :no: followed by :crybaby:

McJim

1st September 2006, 20:49

It was safe until Dover immigrated to New Zealand. Maybe we need immigration infractions, yes, hmm, perhaps.

Most of what you've described I've experienced and know others who have, I've even been shot at and had the bullet graze my left arm.

I'm looking forward to shooting any boys my daughter brings home when she is older, unless they ride a motorcycle.

Cool - I'll make sure both ma boys ride motorcycles just in case.

Swoop

1st September 2006, 20:57

....hate to see the good sport/rude/abusive/friendly stuff ruined by some attempting to go one better...:done:

Have you seen his sig. line...?

One day with the duchess at tea, She asked "Do you fart when you pee?", I replied with some wit, "Do you belch when you shit?", and I think that was one up to me!

McJim

1st September 2006, 21:42

hate to see the good sport/rude/abusive/friendly stuff ruined by some attempting to go one better...:done:

Awwww Mom, We have to go one better...if no-one went one better we'd still be riding horses, carts, carriages and penny farthings...then this website would be called "Kiwi Penny Farthinger" which is a helluva mouthful.

Was gonna mention about members who wouldn't reach the pedals but thought that would be rude and Mom would gimme a thick ear (but to bring it back on topic) or at worst would tazer me into obedience.

Howzat for a recovery? - who sez I don't keep it on topic then eh?

spudchucka

2nd September 2006, 06:40

What are we supposed to think?

Think about sorting your shit out so that you don't become the subject of all those minor vehicle infringements in the first place.

Dafe

2nd September 2006, 06:52

I love the comment made by the Maori Party in parliament earlier this week.

"Now you've got the cops running around the streets looking for some Maoris to Tazer".

:rofl:

I see one main problem with Tazers. In every country that they've ever been introduced, they've become tools for crowd control.
In a protest, this is a strong weapon against freedom of speech, that can be used however the Govertment sees fit.
Problem being - When it's an Anti-Government Policy protest, it's providing an effective block by placing a shit barrier between the Goverment and the public opinion. Allowing the Govt to turn a blind eye with no concern.

A welcome Political tool (by Labour), one that serves to aid a corrupt government in their communist ways!

McJim

2nd September 2006, 07:08

Think about sorting your shit out so that you don't become the subject of all those minor vehicle infringements in the first place.

I was speaking collectively Mr Spud - never had a ticket myself...not even a parking infringement dude.

My 'shit' would appear to be in order officer :)

spudchucka

2nd September 2006, 07:12

I was speaking collectively Mr Spud - never had a ticket myself...not even a parking infringement dude.

My 'shit' would appear to be in order officer :)

Collectively speaking my comment still stands. The people who always seem to be the subject of minor vehicle infringements can do a lot themselves to solve their problem. In fact it is entirely up to them.

Patrick

2nd September 2006, 07:39

Collectively speaking my comment still stands. The people who always seem to be the subject of minor vehicle infringements can do a lot themselves to solve their problem. In fact it is entirely up to them.

Just like those staring down the face of a Tazer... your choice, perhaps????? Like... stop doing that stupid shit!!???

As Winj sed earlier... Tazer em in the cock... is that like the jumper leads on the nipples?? MMMmmmmmmm

hurricane_r

2nd September 2006, 08:26

if a cop could get one for personal use it would be a great party trick to nail the exssesivly drunk guys.

McJim

2nd September 2006, 08:31

if a cop could get one for personal use it would be a great party trick to nail the exssesivly drunk guys.

You'd be surprised how much fun you can have with a car battery/jump leads and a drunk guys testicles.

Lou Girardin

2nd September 2006, 08:48

So... because he was handcuffed, he can't kick, bite, headbutt, spit hepatitis C,...whatever...

Well, he WAS moving his leg. I guess that's enough reason the spray the sucker.

Lou Girardin

2nd September 2006, 08:51

Yet if it was so bad, what did he do to rectify it? He was Assistant Commissioner, was he not?

Shoddy work that he could have stepped in to to ensure all was good?

Disgruntled ex member rings a familiar tune...

Not AC as I recall.
Aren't all ex-members disgruntled though? Especially the ones who feel free to finally speak out. You've just confirmed another piece of cop culture, 'you're either with us or you're the enemy'.

Indoo

2nd September 2006, 09:21

Not AC as I recall.
Aren't all ex-members disgruntled though? Especially the ones who feel free to finally speak out. You've just confirmed another piece of cop culture, 'you're either with us or you're the enemy'.

Most aren't and if they are its more at the 'system' than anything else. Those who pop up everytime there is a Wallace type incident and add their 2c into the occasion have agendas. I know of ex cops turned lawyers, now promoted as credible experts in the media bleating about police corruption and brutality, who themselves were actually crooked as hell in the job and forced out.

Lou Girardin

2nd September 2006, 10:06

Have you taken your evidence to the Law Society?

Indoo

2nd September 2006, 10:51

Why? being dishonest is a virtue in a lawyer, honest defense lawyers or those with a strong moral compass, don't tend to have a very high sucessful rate.

Lou Girardin

2nd September 2006, 11:09

Why? being dishonest is a virtue in a lawyer, honest defense lawyers or those with a strong moral compass, don't tend to have a very high sucessful rate.

Have you realised you're talking the same way about lawyers as we talk about cops?

Patrick

2nd September 2006, 11:23

Not AC as I recall.
Aren't all ex-members disgruntled though? Especially the ones who feel free to finally speak out. You've just confirmed another piece of cop culture, 'you're either with us or you're the enemy'.

AC maybe not, but Definitely Area Commander for Auckland, and very high up the food chain.

All ex's disgruntled? Nope... he was in a position to fix the so called problems he sees so clearly now. Plently of ex members who have moved on and left em to it. Some just want 15 seconds of fame though...