Aussie Attitudes

[Hillbilly]

Well, here's some info that was sent to me from a friend in the US. It's right on the money, and gives a true insight into the Australian way of looking at life. All of the statements made were for real, and broacast via Aussie media.

If you're a "trendy lefty" or have a "bleeding heart" regarding Australia's detention of Asylum seekers, this will open your eyes somewhat:


Three cheers for Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were
told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government
targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged
loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John
Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would
face a crack-down.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard,
hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the
country if they did not accept that Australiawas a secular state
and its laws were made by parliament.

"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has
Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he
said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two
laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and
another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with
parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would
prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country,
which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello
said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to
leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked
to move to the other country.

Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that
Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off".

"Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they
don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well
then they can basically clear off," he said. Separately, Howard
angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he
supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

AMERICA and Canada..... ARE YOU LISTENING?

Quote:

"IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take
It Or Leave It I am tired of this nation worrying about
whether we are offending some individual or their
culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have
experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians.

However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled
when the "politically correct" crowd began com-
plaining about the possibility that our patriotism was
offending others. I am not against immigration, nor
do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a
better life by coming to Australia. However, there
are a few things that those who have recently come
to our country, and apparently some born here, need
to understand.

This idea of Australia being a multicultural community
has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our
national identity. As Australians, we have our own
culture, our own society, our own language and our
own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over
two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by
millions of men and women who have sought free-
dom. We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish,
Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or
any other language. Therefore, if you wish to be-
come part of our society, Learn the language!

Most Australians believe in God. This is not some
Christian, right wing, political push but a fact be-
cause Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display
it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you,
then I suggest you consider another part of the
world as your new home, Because God is part of
our culture.

We will accept your beliefs and will not question why,
all we ask is that you accept ours and live in harmony
and peaceful enjoyment with us.

If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like
" A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a
move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to
change, and we really don't care how you did things
where you came from. By all means keep your culture
but do not force it on others.

This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR
LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity
to enjoy all this.

But once you are done complaining, whining, and
griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian
beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you
take advantage of one other great Australian
freedom, "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".

If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't
force you to come here. You asked to be here. So
accept the country YOU accepted."

[WINJA]

Fuck Those Dirty Muslims , Send Them Home In A Coffin

[SixPackBack]

Fuckit I'm movin' there!

[Jantar]

Evidence that there are some things that Australia does better than NZ. I hope our politicians take note.

[Big Dave]

Fuckit I'm movin' there!

I'll kick in $10.

[SixPackBack]

I'll kick in $10.

$10..is that all?......tight bloody aussies!

[Big Dave]

$10..is that all?......tight bloody aussies!

If I was tight i woulda said 'stay'.
For a Doctor and a politician Brendon Neilson is not a bad c***.

[R6_kid]

Thats what i think, you came here so adapt to how we live or fuck off. Ok some of them were persecuted etc etc waa waa waa, sort you own fucking problems out or dont complain when george W comes in to do it for you.

[Motig]

Bob Clarksons brother? I'm getting fed up with all this politically correct shit too!:shutup:

[jimbo600]

Yeap, advance Australia fair indeed. They give a you a fair suck of the sav, until you fuck em over, then you can pack your bags and go take your extremist ideals somewhere else. Good on ya Australia, an inspiration to us all.

[Swoop]

This looks like an adaptation of a letter sent to an Ozzie newspaper when a middle eastern woman had her photo taken in a burkah for her drivers licence.:yes:

[insane1]

you come to our country you learn our customs our beliefs and such dont try and force muslim law where it"s not wanted.as the first thread said sharia law shouldnt be forced on anyone. if your a muslim coming to nz and think that sharia law should be for nz and everywhere elese fuck off go back to where you came from .one country one law .

[Wasp]

hear hear, NZ should follow suit

[outlawtorn]

now thats fucking brilliant!!! Why can't NZ have an attitude like that? Those Aussies have got it right, "fit in or fuck off" - I love it.

[Drum]

I'm sure the Muslims feel the same about Aussies (or anyone else) that lives in their country. Like it or feck off. Nothing wrong with that.

[Street Gerbil]

Three cheers for Aussies!

[Big Dave]

Three cheers for whatever-his-name is Tuquiri!



hmmmm - didn't think so............

[Paul in NZ]

"We are happy with our culture and have no desire to
change, and we really don't care how you did things
where you came from. By all means keep your culture
but do not force it on others."

Isn't that what the abbos said when Cptn Cook and co sailed in?

;-)

But fair enough... The seperation of the church and the state is a basic fundemental of 'our' society..... It's not just the muslims that need to remember that, Pastor, sorry, bishop brian should as well...

[Big Dave]

"We are happy with our culture and have no desire to
change, and we really don't care how you did things
where you came from. By all means keep your culture
but do not force it on others."

Isn't that what the abbos said when Cptn Cook and co sailed in?


And probably what normal Muslims have been saying since the Crusades.
Bring back John Lennon.

[John Banks]

This idea of Australia being a multicultural community
has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our
national identity. As Australians, we have our own
culture, our own society, our own language and our
own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over
two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by
millions of men and women who have sought free-
dom. We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish,
Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or
any other language. Therefore, if you wish to be-
come part of our society, Learn the language!

Most Australians believe in God. This is not some
Christian, right wing, political push but a fact be-
cause Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display
it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you,
then I suggest you consider another part of the
world as your new home, Because God is part of
our culture.

I think right about here is where it turns from "common sense" bullshit to just plain fundy bullshit.

[Hillbilly]

Yeah, but both PM and his deputy are Pentecostals! ;)

[kickingzebra]

Two sides to the fundamental sword master banks.
Belief, like sexuality, cannot be divorced from the human psyche.
To attempt to homologate all differences of peoples, would be to prevent people from being people.
Hence we are entitled to think of it as fundy bullshit, but were the shoe to be on another foot, I believe we would be crying as long and as loud.

One persons fundamentalist, is simply anothers pillar of society.

Accepting differences unquestioningly (a leftist traight) is not neccesarily contributing to humanity, nor is it conducive to living and letting live.

Not everyones mind works in such a fashion.

My only other thought, Words from politicians can be, and all to often are, far too cheap. For a nations sentiment to be changed, some action must follow, and I am not suggesting turfing anyone with a different skin tone down the road, however, though the sentiment has been (wisely IMO) expressed, action is not guaranteed to follow.

[Hillbilly]

What started this whole "anti-Muslim" sentiment here was a series of violent gang rapes in Cronulla by Lebanese men on Australian women.

Following their conviction and sentencing, Lebanese men decided to beat up all the white surf lifesavers in Cronulla Beach, as it wasn't "their beach" and they (the lifesavers) "didn't belong in Cronulla". Then the riots followed.

I don't know how much of this is reported in the NZ Press, but that's what's happenning here. Bashir getting let-off for the Bali bombings hasn't helped either.

[kickingzebra]

Ohhh, don't get me started on Bashir...
Again, the fundamentalist filter comes out...
To his people (and apparently his countries judiciary) He is an upstanding pillar of society.

[John Banks]

Two sides to the fundamental sword master banks.

Don't get me wrong, I severely dislike Muslims as well. Just like I severely dislike Christians. No unconditional acceptance here, I think they're all bloody bonkers.

And that letter is just playing shy on the message of "If you don't like our God, piss off".

[kickingzebra]

See the problem with the argument though?
It assumes a rational middle ground, which clearly cannot exist, just as rational argument, and all the forces of science will not likely prove or disprove any other religious disposition.

We assume our own viewpoint to be some moral high ground, for whatever reason, but it simply cannot be so.

Mankinds collective understanding of "the facts", in any debate, is shaky by itself, so the likelihood of our personal version of the facts being more solid is extremely slim.

Goes for all, self included. There will be an abjective "Right" but we won't be coming to grips with it in a hurry.

[Lou Girardin]

Trust the bloody Aussies to copy us. We did it first to the Chinese at the turn of the 20th century.

[SPman]

What started this whole "anti-Muslim" sentiment here was a series of violent gang rapes in Cronulla by Lebanese men on Australian women.

Following their conviction and sentencing, Lebanese men decided to beat up all the white surf lifesavers in Cronulla Beach, as it wasn't "their beach" and they (the lifesavers) "didn't belong in Cronulla". Then the riots followed.

I don't know how much of this is reported in the NZ Press, but that's what's happenning here. Bashir getting let-off for the Bali bombings hasn't helped either.
And you can trace that back to the Wanker of a Police Head, who wouldn't act against the Lebanese gangs when they moved in to the area in the 90's - they would scream - prejudice!racism! and he backed off so fast it was embarrassing.
Now, Cronulla is effectively under the Lebanese "mafia" umbrella - they think they own the place and effectively do.And, as usual, the second you mention the word "Lebanese", they all scream prejudice, racism - you name it, and the PC f**king powers that be, fall over themselves not to "offend " any of them.
Its f**cking pathetic!

[Hillbilly]

And you can trace that back to the Wanker of a Police Head, who wouldn't act against the Lebanese gangs when they moved in to the area in the 90's - they would scream - prejudice!racism! and he backed off so fast it was embarrassing.
Now, Cronulla is effectively under the Lebanese "mafia" umbrella - they think they own the place and effectively do.And, as usual, the second you mention the word "Lebanese", they all scream prejudice, racism - you name it, and the PC f**king powers that be, fall over themselves not to "offend " any of them.
Its f**cking pathetic!

it's all about votes. Those PC politicians love their cushy jobs, and I bet none of them live in Cronulla. Redfern maybe, but not Cronulla.

It's really quiet where I live, close to Morisset, but mind you, there's suddenly been an influx of Kiwis :yeah: , I wonder why?? Must be the low rent, and crazy wages - eg. $20/hr weekdays for a storemen.

[Big Dave]

it's all about votes. Those PC politicians love their cushy jobs, and I bet none of them live in Cronulla. Redfern maybe, but not Cronulla.

It's really quiet where I live, close to Morisset, but mind you, there's suddenly been an influx of Kiwis :yeah: , I wonder why?? Must be the low rent, and crazy wages - eg. $20/hr weekdays for a storemen.

The markets haven't turned it into a metropolis yet?
I moved to Auckland from Wangi a while ago.

[750Y]

rhetorical bullshit. this is basically how hitler rose to power and a bunch of dickheads all jumped in line for a uniform. mindless pawns fuelling someone's overinflated ego in the misguided belief they were chasing some attainable ideal, what a joke. so who's next to step up for an armband?

[Drum]

rhetorical bullshit. this is basically how hitler rose to power and a bunch of dickheads all jumped in line for a uniform. mindless pawns fuelling someone's overinflated ego in the misguided belief they were chasing some attainable ideal, what a joke. so who's next to step up for an armband?

So you would expect to live in the Lebanon and have them live by your rules? Or theirs?

How would they treat you if you chose to live by western rules in their country?

[jimbo600]

rhetorical bullshit. this is basically how hitler rose to power and a bunch of dickheads all jumped in line for a uniform. mindless pawns fuelling someone's overinflated ego in the misguided belief they were chasing some attainable ideal, what a joke. so who's next to step up for an armband?

I think your getting things a bit mixed up mate. Muslims are most welcome in NZ, well in my view anyway, however if a faction of these folk wish the incumbent populace surrender their values for supplanted ones they can get royally fucked. It also pisses me off that although NZ is a secular nation some traders are banned from trading on religious holidays.

[Hillbilly]

The markets haven't turned it into a metropolis yet?
I moved to Auckland from Wangi a while ago.

Wangi? I run an Upmarket Italian Restaurant there! For those who can't speak aussie, that's pronounced Wan-gee as in wand. It's Aborigine for "water".

Anyway, the markets are now surrounded by an industrial estate. House prices went silly for a while, but are more realistic now. Youi can pick up a 4 bedroom home with a 4 acre block in Mirrabooka for $289,000 AUD.

Oh yeah, back on topic, what's the name of that Sydney suburb that's been taken over by the Egyptians?

[chucknorris]

I have friends that are immigrants, and they're ok. I love italian food and kebabs etc.

Just don't like these crazy suicide bombers and italian etc mafia. Send em all home.

[Big Dave]

Wangi? I run an Upmarket Italian Restaurant there!


Bob or Al or Trip or any of the Harley boys customers?

[Finn]

rhetorical bullshit. this is basically how hitler rose to power and a bunch of dickheads all jumped in line for a uniform. mindless pawns fuelling someone's overinflated ego in the misguided belief they were chasing some attainable ideal, what a joke. so who's next to step up for an armband?

You've just described the Labour Party.

[outlawtorn]

as the old saying goes, when in Rome blah blah blah

I am an immigrant, been here two years now, originally from Joburg in SA, but when we moved here we made a consious decision to become a part of the Kiwi lifestyle and society and we have tried our damdest not to try and re-create a 'little South Africa'. This isn't our country yet, but in time we will start to refer to it as ours and we will live by it rules and become a part of society. It's what you do when you move to another country.

[Al]

as the old saying goes, when in Rome blah blah blah

I am an immigrant, been here two years now, originally from Joburg in SA, but when we moved here we made a consious decision to become a part of the Kiwi lifestyle and society and we have tried our damdest not to try and re-create a 'little South Africa'. .


Do you remember the battles between the "PORRAS" and the "LEBS" in Joburg in the 70s and 80s?

Al

[Drunken Monkey]

So you would expect to live in the Lebanon and have them live by your rules? Or theirs?

How would they treat you if you chose to live by western rules in their country?

750Y is correct though, the Nazi party was fuelled, in part, by a strong sense of nationalism. There's healthy nationalism, then there's taking it too far. Remember "One Nation" (Pauline Hanson and David Oldfield) - they're 'Nationalists' and 'Socialists' (ooh that has nasty connotations, doesn't it?). Now you don't want that kind of New Zealand, do you?


...It also pisses me off that although NZ is a secular nation some traders are banned from trading on religious holidays....

Ain't that the truth...

[Hillbilly]

Bob or Al or Trip or any of the Harley boys customers?

Nah! Everything's changed now. Even the pub's been revamped to be really upmarket. The resaurant is in Watkins road, oppposite the RSL where the old Indian takaway used to be. Customers are mostly from Sydney, and have holiday homes in Wangi.

Don't see many Arabs up this way though. it's all SDA country, although the JW's are making a bit of territory. Kinda sounds like gang turf doesn't it? :rolleyes:

[buellbabe]

Those Aussie politicians really don't give a toss about being PC do they? In some ways I support what they are saying. I don't like what is happening to the Kiwi Culture. That essence of being a Kiwi, the can do/she'll be right attitude, the no worries mate frame of mind, that willingness to go out on a limb for ya friends and family is slowly being eroded and replaced with snivellers, whingers and moaners who are too lazy to get off their butts and make a difference.
If you emmigrate to another country then its only fair that you accept their laws and embrace their culture. That doesn't mean giving up your own cultural identity... as Outlawtorn said... simply a matter of 'when in Rome blah blah blah'

[Big Dave]

Nah! Everything's changed now. Even the pub's been revamped to be really upmarket.

When I first moved there they were still removing the asbestos from the old power station and the pub was as wild and green tiles and hose it out as a pub could get.
Fights regularly on a Friday night and inked up mofos with wild Harley choppers coming and going out front. I loved it my Tbird was out front often too. Still mates with them.
To hear it's gone upmarket....sigh! If someone tells me Ken Webber has stopped going there I believe it's gone upmarket.

my old place:

[outlawtorn]

Do you remember the battles between the "PORRAS" and the "LEBS" in Joburg in the 70s and 80s?

Al
Nah, I only started going into Joburg city proper in the early nineties, we then had running battles with the skinheads, it was us (metalheads and punks) VS the skins, very brutal stuff, all the to an end when a 16year skin got killed outside a nightclub called Alcatraz, after that everybody kind of sat up and took notice of how the whole thing was.