Ha ha Labour

[Finn]

I think Brash summed it up well tonight saying that Labour is the most corrupt government NZ has had for 100 years. He's right.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10398841

I think NZ'ers are sick of Clark and all her sisters. Time for a change.

Die bitch.

[What?]

I agree, Labour are getting far too arrogant for their own (or our) good.
Only problem is, if toss Helen & Co out, who would we replace them with? Brash?? I don't think you would enjoy life as a waged/salaried worker in NZ with Brash trying to run the show. The man is nothing but a soap box idiot; he has less financial nous than Muldoon had, he despises the working man moreso than Birch did, and, like any other politician, his current moral stance would mysteriously dissappear the minute he got in power.

[ZeroIndex]

exactly 100 years, or is he rounding it off with Swedish rounding? :p

[Dafe]

Yes, I agree........ Of course!!!!

Did you hear this morning, that there are approx 800 zimbabwean overstayers of which there are expected a fair few of those are HIV positive carriers.
The labour government announced that if they come forward, they will be accepted and permitted NZ residency and....... Treated for the HIV virus???

What the Fark????

This country will treat Illegal Overstayers with HIV and grant them Residency?

Yet, The Govt has refused to treat the NZ woman with Breast Cancer by simply supplying the herceptin drug. A drug that Australia & UK are supplying with a wee note attached, saying that their woman are worth more than NZ woman!

Farken Useless Govt!

That's Helen Clark, Scoring brownie points for the upcoming UN council elections. (Treat the third worlds problems while screwing the working New Zealander!)

P.S. Go Bob Clarkson!!! I like what he has to say!!!!
As for Taito Phillip Fields - Him & Dover Samuels would make such a lovely couple!

[Motu]

But Helen Clark is still the prefered leader - you won't get a change in government until a new leader arises.What? is right,no way in hell do we want Brash running our country.Leadership is what it all hinges on.

[Quasievil]

But Helen Clark is still the prefered leader - you won't get a change in government until a new leader arises.What? is right,no way in hell do we want Brash running our country.Leadership is what it all hinges on.


We dont have a good leadership option as the wrong calibre of person goes into politices, we are foreever doomed in this regards.
Best thing is to form another party and then never rank in the polls but feel really good about yourself, kinda like act. thats about as good as you will get in this country of lazy blugers and handout grabbers.
In saying that I would rather Brash than Clarke any day, pick of a bad bunch

[The Stranger]

But Helen Clark is still the prefered leader - you won't get a change in government until a new leader arises.What? is right,no way in hell do we want Brash running our country.Leadership is what it all hinges on.


As long as I can remember the leadership polls have always favoured the incumbent with VERY FEW exceptions.
That poll is a sham. Even Clarke struggled on the leadership polls prior to her election, they (leaders) all do.

Ignore it. It is over rated.

Quite frankly I am proud when my kids school report doesn't say "shows leadership qualities". I really don't want kids that are followers, but I don't want leaders either, I want well balanced individuals. It's the old saying - Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Leaders tend to acquire power and become corrupted, whether in the play ground, in business or in politics.

I would far rather a non leader like Brash than a leader like Klark.

[Motu]

But you can't elect a government without a leader - unless you knife someone in the back like Muldoon,or our first woman PM.We don't want insipid people running this country - remember Bill Rowling? He may of been a good PM,apparently he was a brilliant man...but what a gutless leader.

[Swoop]

Did you hear this morning, that there are approx 800 zimbabwean overstayers of which there are expected a fair few of those are HIV positive carriers.
The labour government announced that if they come forward, they will be accepted and permitted NZ residency and....... Treated for the HIV virus??
I wonder what the treatment will be? High-speed lead?

As for Taito Phillip Fields - Him & Dover Samuels would make such a lovely couple!
And Fields still denying he didn't do anything wrong??? What a fuckwit.

[sAsLEX]

We dont have a good leadership option as the wrong calibre of person goes into politices, we are foreever doomed in this regards.


Funny you say that one of the essays we have to write at uni for the tree hugging paper us engineers have to take asks "why are more engineers not in politics?" or something like that

[Lou Girardin]

exactly 100 years, or is he rounding it off with Swedish rounding? :p

On that subject isn't it funny how retailers have rounded up from 4 cents instead of 5?
These are the National voters we should trust to do the right thing.

Then again, I hate Clark and Co, who the hell do I vote for now?

[The Stranger]

But you can't elect a government without a leader - unless you knife someone in the back like Muldoon,or our first woman PM.We don't want insipid people running this country - remember Bill Rowling? He may of been a good PM,apparently he was a brilliant man...but what a gutless leader.

Check out the preferred leader polls prior to recent changes of govt and you will find that it happens regularly.

They grow into the job, and more to the point is that the populace grow to accept them.

Thank you for the Rowling example, proves my point nicely. Would you call him a corrupt leader? I wouldn't.

Don't recall having to explain to my kids when Rowling was in why it is not ok to forge something just because the prime minister does it or why they must accept responsibility for their mistakes, lies or deciept even though the prime minister doesn't.

[dhunt]

Then again, I hate Clark and Co, who the hell do I vote for now?
If you want to out Labour you don't really have much choice at the moment. Could national be any worse?? I remember they were promising tax cuts of my pay so I end up with more money and the speed tax wasn't going to cut in till the 120km/h mark.

Maybe should start our own party.

Rule 1. Every 15 year old must learn to ride a scooter.
Rule 2. Bikes allowed to travel at xxx speed on open roads - cages lots less xxx
Rule 3. Criminals have to work for their bread and water - no slackers
Rule 4. Cages have a xxx% tax on them - reduce road toll
Rule 5. .... You get the idea.

[dnos]

I think anyone who wants to be prime minister - should automatically be disqualified from holding the position. The options we have at the moment don't look all that good to myself either.

[Drunken Monkey]

...Then again, I hate Clark and Co, who the hell do I vote for now?

The bloke's liberation front. They always intrigued me.

Alternatively, like 3600 people per month according to statistics New Zealand, vote with your feet and flee the country!

[Drunken Monkey]

...Maybe should start our own party.

Rule 1. Every 15 year old must learn to ride a scooter.
Rule 2. Bikes allowed to travel at xxx speed on open roads - cages lots less xxx
Rule 3. Criminals have to work for their bread and water - no slackers
Rule 4. Cages have a xxx% tax on them - reduce road toll
Rule 5. .... You get the idea...

Well catch me a steer and call me Texas!



I think anyone who wants to be prime minister - should automatically be disqualified from holding the position...

Impractical, unlikely, but I agree.

[Dafe]

How about this for The Dept of Corrections.....

The piece of shit that strangled and bashed and killed the 17 year old in the van a few days ago, turned up in court yesterday wearing a Tee Shirt that had the following written on the front.

"Keep your eye on the rising star of crime"

and on the back....

"Serial Killers normally don't work alone."

That says alot about the Dept of Corrections allowing their crims to turn up dressed like that.
I say Barry Matthews, CEO of Dept of Corrections should get the boot.

[MSTRS]

Thank you for the Rowling example, proves my point nicely. Would you call him a corrupt leader? I wouldn't.



He wasn't around long enough. Nor was Geoffrey Palmer. Or Mike Moore. Or Big Norm.....

[MSTRS]

How about this for The Dept of Corrections.....

The piece of shit that strangled and bashed and killed the 17 year old in the van a few days ago, turned up in court yesterday wearing a Tee Shirt that had the following written on the front.

"Keep your eye on the rising star of crime"

and on the back....

"Serial Killers normally don't work alone."

That says alot about the Dept of Corrections allowing their crims to turn up dressed like that.
I say Barry Matthews, CEO of Dept of Corrections should get the boot.

More proof that it is all about 'rights' but NOT about 'responsibility'

[TLDV8]

More proof that it is all about 'rights' but NOT about 'responsibility'

I like the bit where the offender had his face blotted out (innocent until proven guilty apparently)..but the witness who was on a simple visa charge had his face shown..... No doubt they have TV and Internet in remand,good luck to that guy, bending over in the shower will be the least of his problems.

*

As far as the The Dept of Corrections.After doing my bit to house some of these "folk" it came as no surprise the last prison job was some $100 million over budget.I saw the blurb on TV about the Wiri Womens prison,it was so censored it wasn't funny..If the public did a walkaround and saw what is really there they would spew............ and that is only 1 of the 3 being built.Hampton Downs will be no different.... The first thing i thought of Wiri was there will be a cue at the gate to get in,it is that nice......... Shower/TV in every unit..manicured lawns with embossed symbols,even a Marai...No BS,it is like a holiday camp and only $150 million to the taxpayer.

[ktulu]

We're heading down a fairly dangerous path I reckon.

Being a bit too conservitive for our own good.

Lets hope that changes and we toughen up and regain some national pride after the next election.

[The_Dover]

How about this for The Dept of Corrections.....

The piece of shit that strangled and bashed and killed the 17 year old in the van a few days ago, turned up in court yesterday wearing a Tee Shirt that had the following written on the front.

"Keep your eye on the rising star of crime"

and on the back....

"Serial Killers normally don't work alone."

That says alot about the Dept of Corrections allowing their crims to turn up dressed like that.
I say Barry Matthews, CEO of Dept of Corrections should get the boot.


I think they should allow that cunt to be arse raped to death by those zimbabweans with aids.

[The_Dover]

I like the bit where the offender had his face blotted out (innocent until proven guilty apparently)..but the witness who was on a simple visa charge had his face shown..... No doubt they have TV and Internet in remand,good luck to that guy, bending over in the shower will be the least of his problems.

*

As far as the The Dept of Corrections.After doing my bit to house some of these "folk" it came as no surprise the last prison job was some $100 million over budget.I saw the blurb on TV about the Wiri Womens prison,it was so censored it wasn't funny..If the public did a walkaround and saw what is really there they would spew............ and that is only 1 of the 3 being built.Hampton Downs will be no different.... The first thing i thought of Wiri was there will be a cue at the gate to get in,it is that nice......... Shower/TV in every unit..manicured lawns with embossed symbols,even a Marai...No BS,it is like a holiday camp and only $150 million to the taxpayer.

No shit man. I had a supplier in the office telling me all about the underfloor heating in all these new prisons and Sky TV in every fucking cell. Not to mention heated plinths for their mattresses.

And our schools are cold? (But have lots of nice flash flatscreens.)

Who the fuck dictates where public money is spent? Special Needs Jimmy off the Rock? nah, even he's not that fucking retarded.

[MSTRS]

...
Being a bit too conservitive for our own good....


Eh? Do you mean 'liberal'??

[SwanTiger]

Hey how about some of us run a coupe against the Labour Government, if we fail it isn't going to be so bad in Jail with the underfloor heating, onsweat and Sky TV.

Bit of a Win Win situation for criminals; "Robbed a Bank and failed, oh well, Jail is better than my state house in South Auckland".

[The_Dover]

Hey how about some of us run a coupe against the Labour Government, if we fail it isn't going to be so bad in Jail with the underfloor heating, onsweat and Sky TV.

Bit of a Win Win situation for criminals; "Robbed a Bank and failed, oh well, Jail is better than my state house in South Auckland".

Answer my PM you cock.

[SwanTiger]

Answer my PM you cock.
How many times do I have to tell you, it's over, I don't love you anymore, stop harrassing me.

[Indiana_Jones]

That's Helen Clark, Scoring brownie points for the upcoming UN council elections. (Treat the third worlds problems while screwing the working New Zealander!)

Yep, that's all the bitch wants, I hope she fucks off and dies :angry:

-Indy

[SwanTiger]

Yep, that's all the bitch wants, I hope she fucks off and dies :angry:

-Indy
Indy, who do you reckon receives the most death threats in a month, you or Helen?

[Drunken Monkey]

Indy, who do you reckon receives the most death threats in a month, you or Helen?

I say Indy, he has no idea that 80's retro is out and he's infurating the style-police to no-end!

[Indiana_Jones]

I say Indy, he has no idea that 80's retro is out and he's infurating the style-police to no-end!


<img src="http://www.netsoc.ucd.ie/~lmkinney/photos/80s/images/80s%20posse.JPG" align="centre" vspace="10" hspace="10">

80s FUNK IS ALWAYS IN !


-Indy

[Finn]

But Helen Clark is still the prefered leader - you won't get a change in government until a new leader arises.What? is right,no way in hell do we want Brash running our country.Leadership is what it all hinges on.

Hitler was an excellent leader. His military strategy left much to be desired though. So how well did the Germans benefit during his rule?

Sorry Motu, but your loverly leaders' days are numbered. But don't worry, under a National government you'll still be able to pocket those cashies without paying tax.

[Skyryder]

I agree, Labour are getting far too arrogant for their own (or our) good.
Only problem is, if toss Helen & Co out, who would we replace them with? Brash?? I don't think you would enjoy life as a waged/salaried worker in NZ with Brash trying to run the show. The man is nothing but a soap box idiot; he has less financial nous than Muldoon had, he despises the working man moreso than Birch did, and, like any other politician, his current moral stance would mysteriously dissappear the minute he got in power.

What that man said with the added proviso of ACT. Just remember rodgernomics is only half finished. You might get your tax breaks but watch the user pay scenario take off like a rocket up ya arse.

Skyryder.

[Skyryder]

Hitler was an excellent leader. His military strategy left much to be desired though. So how well did the Germans benefit during his rule?


You obviously have not read the Nuremburg Trials.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/nuremberg.htm

Just a brief outline.

Skyryder

[Motu]

Sorry Motu, but your loverly leaders' days are numbered. But don't worry, under a National government you'll still be able to pocket those cashies without paying tax.

They said this was the election to lose - the losers will be the winners in the end.The world is heading into a resession,and we just follow the trend.So Labour will be out before their term is up....and they knew that election night.Time to line the pockets.National policies will in reallity only differ slightly from Labour...they follow world wide trends....the PC crap is all over the world,not just here.But Don Brash is not the man to lead this country,and I doubt he will for long.We need a new leader - but I see none worthy in the beehive...we need a saviour,calling Brian Tamaki to the white phone!!

[Timber020]

Helens is no good, but Brash is less than no good. Anyone got any good ideas for a new leader?

[Indiana_Jones]

Helens is no good, but Brash is less than no good. Anyone got any good ideas for a new leader?

Yeah, Me.

-Indy

[enigma51]

I think Brash summed it up well tonight saying that Labour is the most corrupt government NZ has had for 100 years. He's right.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10398841

I think NZ'ers are sick of Clark and all her sisters. Time for a change.

Die bitch.

AMEN

The truth shall set you free! :rockon:

[oldrider]

I had to wait until I was 21 before I got my first vote and that was almost 46yrs ago.
I took an interest in politics long before that and I have seen many governments come and go in my lifetime.
In all of that time I have never seen a government elected "IN" to office!
Without exception it would be pretty accurate for me claim that I have only ever seen a government voted "OUT" of office!
Suffice to say, in the best of NZ traditions, this Labour Government is fast approaching it's "publicly acknowledged" use by date!
I say publicly acknowledged because that will be the time when the public will have had enough of Labours corrupt practices and behaviour and finally toss them out!
I am surprised and disappointed that it has taken them so long to recognise the failings of this questionable crew.
As corrupt and incompetent as I believe this government is, it is with deep trepidation that I ponder, what foolish choice the sheeple will make in their blind charge to replace them!
You may rest assured, the next government will not be voted "IN", it will be in accordance with our great Kiwi tradition, voted "OUT"!
God only knows (someone to blame) what the outcome will be because it will not be planned, it will just be a chaotic result!
God defend New Zealand, because the sheeple are incapable! :brick: John.

[The_Dover]

I vote oldrider for PM.

He's old and he rides. Good enough for me.

Now, I want lower taxes, more money and queers, aylum seekers and hippies thrown out of the country or shot.

[oldrider]

I vote oldrider for PM.

He's old and he rides. Good enough for me.

Now, I want lower taxes, more money and queers, aylum seekers and hippies thrown out of the country or shot.

:done: John.

[RantyDave]

I think Brash summed it up well tonight saying that Labour is the most corrupt government NZ has had for 100 years.
Funny thing about Don Brash is that he does best when he stops thinking.

In the lead up to the election you could almost see the committees, market researchers and advisors playing the percentages in order to set a "likely successful" policy. And, well, it wasn't was it?

But when he just opens his mouth and lets the first thing that comes into his head come out, he actually says what half of us were thinking all along. If he really intends to win the next election, he needs to do more of that.

Mind you, I'd still rather be offered a candidate who I felt would be ... y'know ... the leader of a country rather than the best of a bad bunch.

Dave

[Zed]

Yep, that's all the %^&*% wants, I hope she $%^&* off and dies :angry:

-IndyI think the USofA have got it right, 2 terms in office and she's out! I don't wish her to be dead though, considering what will probably follow...

A reformed or totally new government is not the answer, someone said "we learn from history that men never learn from history!"

The new world order WILL come into power soon and NZ will just be a puppet on a string, if it isn't already...

[scracha]

I hear that John Howard might be looking for a new job in a year or two?

[TLDV8]

The new world order WILL come into power soon and NZ will just be a puppet on a string, if it isn't already...

I think that was Sandie Shaw not Wrestle Mania :confused: but Hulk Hogan for PM,why not...

[Skyryder]

I think the USofA have got it right, 2 terms in office and she's out! I don't wish her to be dead though, considering what will probably follow...

A reformed or totally new government is not the answer, someone said "we learn from history that men never learn from history!"

The new world order WILL come into power soon and NZ will just be a puppet on a string, if it isn't already...

This is usualy the response from people who do not know the differences between the democracy of the American republic and ours; the Westminster system. The two terms and you are out is a relitive new Ammendment to the American Constitution. I think it was in the late 50's, would have to look this up. It was bought in as a measure to prevent the ursurption of power by the President as Commander in Chief of the American Armed Forces.

Helen Clarke or for that matter any Prime Minister of a Westminster democracy has no military rank. We do not elect Prime Ministers. The political party elects a leader of the Parlimentary Wing of the party who is sworn in by the Governor General as Prime Minister.

It might surprise you Zed that the President of the USA is not elected by the people. He is elected by the Elctoral Collage...........and if you think MMP is difficult to understand...............the Electoral Collage and how it goes about its buisness makes MMP childs play.

Skyryder

[Jantar]

I vote oldrider for PM.

He's old and he rides. Good enough for me.

Now, I want lower taxes, more money and queers, aylum seekers and hippies thrown out of the country or shot.
I'll second that nomination. :yes:

Jacqui will only be a two term MP, so put your name forward right now.

[candor]

I agree with Dovers sadistic idea about what should happen to the prison van basher, I have to confess. Its not nice but hey - some decisive action - some cruel to be kind is whats needed here. And its outrageous how our judges treat murder like its no big deal.

A drunk walking home in CHCH so as not to drink drive is atacked for no reason with baseball bat and killed - 12 years the sentence today! And the judge says (or agrees) with defense that the 18 yr old kiler is just suffering youthful exuberance - unwise and full of oats or suchlike!!! Anywhere else that would be one sorry sentence.

But Indianas comment re Ms Clark (said thru gritted teeth) got me thinking too
"Yep, that's all the bitch wants, I hope she fucks off and dies"

Perhaps this could be arranged to happen sometime after Hel takes a trip in a van with the "rising star of crime." You know - on the way to inspect the new palatial cans.

She is heading up the most corrupt govt in the last 100 years. Teflon Clarke - nothing sticks. We should write to the UN and the Dalai llama and loudly broadcast what kind of lo-life she is, with no loyalty to Kiwis. I bet she could not raise an Army with what she has done to mankind. Power and celebrity is her kind of "P". Just like the prison van basher. I see little diff.

For his t shirt choice which identifies him as a hopeless psychopath and the effect it must have had on van murder victims family I support capital punishment (altho generally I'm against it) in this special case.

I hope the prison van basher is tortured by some one in jail before he meets a timely demise. And that this country can also get purged of the she devil.

Can't think of any quality leader in waiting. We might need to go on a recruitment drive abroad to find some real talent. Makes lil diff anyway as elected officials are only puppets anyway. Read the OECDs latest report card on us which spelt out what we must be doing next.

It included a lot more of privatisation (so expect that) plus said biiig need to turn round welfare dependency and increase quality of education.

It recommended (as above) t go harder with the neo-liberal policies.

[Finn]

I had to wait until I was 21 before I got my first vote and that was almost 46yrs ago.
I took an interest in politics long before that and I have seen many governments come and go in my lifetime.
In all of that time I have never seen a government elected "IN" to office!
Without exception it would be pretty accurate for me claim that I have only ever seen a government voted "OUT" of office!
Suffice to say, in the best of NZ traditions, this Labour Government is fast approaching it's "publicly acknowledged" use by date!
I say publicly acknowledged because that will be the time when the public will have had enough of Labours corrupt practices and behaviour and finally toss them out!
I am surprised and disappointed that it has taken them so long to recognise the failings of this questionable crew.
As corrupt and incompetent as I believe this government is, it is with deep trepidation that I ponder, what foolish choice the sheeple will make in their blind charge to replace them!
You may rest assured, the next government will not be voted "IN", it will be in accordance with our great Kiwi tradition, voted "OUT"!
God only knows (someone to blame) what the outcome will be because it will not be planned, it will just be a chaotic result!
God defend New Zealand, because the sheeple are incapable! :brick: John.


John. I am on one knee. Marry me.

Apart from myself (of course) John is the most intelligent person I know on KB. You are absolutely right. Elections in NZ are never won. They are lost. I understand why National lost 3 terms ago, but lost ALL confidence and faith in NZ when Labour were elected for a second and third term. It just goes to show the dumbing down of NZ.

I agree with "who the hell next?" and I think that perhaps we should look past the leadership thing which is what kiwi's are going on about but that's only cause we're told to think that. Look at the values and what they stand for. All politicians are corrupt, but the entire Labout party should ALL BE PUBLICLY HUNG!!! After we throw stones at them.

[Flatcap]

John. I am on one knee. Marry me.

Apart from myself (of course) John is the most intelligent person I know on KB. You are absolutely right. Elections in NZ are never won. They are lost. I understand why National lost 3 terms ago, but lost ALL confidence and faith in NZ when Labour were elected for a second and third term. It just goes to show the dumbing down of NZ.

I agree with "who the hell next?" and I think that perhaps we should look past the leadership thing which is what kiwi's are going on about but that's only cause we're told to think that. Look at the values and what they stand for. All politicians are corrupt, but the entire Labout party should ALL BE PUBLICLY HUNG!!! After we throw stones at them.

See, this is the problem with universal sufferage - most people are too stupid to be given the vote. There should be a voting licence system to weed out the idiots.

[Motu]

I agree with "who the hell next?" and I think that perhaps we should look past the leadership thing which is what kiwi's are going on about but that's only cause we're told to think that. .

You are slowly coming around - I'll make a hippy out of you yet. Peace and love brother,let's have a commune,we''ll all govern in equal share.Power corrupts,so we'll all have a say in how we run our country.....but we need a spokesman - and I know just the man....ahem.....

[Lou Girardin]

See, this is the problem with universal sufferage - most people are too stupid to be given the vote. There should be a voting licence system to weed out the idiots.

Property owners?
Those of a certain class only?
Aaaah, the 19th century beckons.

[Quasievil]

See, this is the problem with universal sufferage - most people are too stupid to be given the vote. There should be a voting licence system to weed out the idiots.

I reckon, if youre unemployed (not a student) then you dont get to vote, that will stop the handout drain and consistant lefties getting in government, and likely the industry built around it

[MD]

I reckon, if youre unemployed (not a student) then you dont get to vote, that will stop the handout drain and consistant lefties getting in government, and likely the industry built around it

I couldn't be bothered reading all the pages here but it's a topical subject - being sick of Labour. I think Quasi has a point here. The sponges and vermin of society will always vote Labour and the workers/tax payers spread their votes across too many parties, with the result that labour don't win - but all the others lose. How can the so-called more intelligent mob be outsmarted but drugged out gang members and crims and low life drop outs?
We really need a strong alternative to rise to capture the split voters. Sadly I can't see this happening. We need an independent group to campaign at election time for the non-Labour voters NOT to split their votes across, Nat,Act, NZF etc. But then which one is asked...
And please don't start me on the weak justice system and cases like that Van killer. How the f#@% can some people in this country still oppose capital punishment.

[SPORK]

Helen KKKlark amirite

[Ixion]

See, this is the problem with universal sufferage - most people are too stupid to be given the vote. There should be a voting licence system to weed out the idiots.

Yes indeed. And the licence age should be raised to 50 . That'll sort the problem. But, why pussyfoot around, why not abolish voting altogether? Can any one deny that democracy is a failed experiment?

[Flatcap]

Property owners?
Those of a certain class only?
Aaaah, the 19th century beckons.

I was thinking people with a certain level of intelligence - there are plenty of idjit property owners......having said this, the 19th century wasn't all bad...

[SwanTiger]

I reckon, if youre unemployed (not a student) then you dont get to vote, that will stop the handout drain and consistant lefties getting in government, and likely the industry built around it
What about the retired individuals who live off their investments or even someone like me who isn't employed however has a reasonable income?

Perhaps there needs to be a "Freedom & Rights License" where by our current privilages are restricted but increase over time like our graduation based licensing system.

I suppose you could accuse the concept of being that of a dictatorship but in reality it is no different from what we have now. All it would do is put what we already think in black and white and give us means to enforce it.

Here is a nice warm and fuzzy example.

If you commit a crime, such as Murder, then your license is disqualified and you loose all of your Freedom and Rights.

[SPORK]

Hey lets only let rich people vote, that's a real cool idea!

[Finn]

Hey lets only let rich people vote, that's a real cool idea!

Do you realise Helen Clark thinks you're rich if your earn over $40k a year?

[SPORK]

fark me, 40k a year!

that's like, 10 times more than I currently earn!

[kro]

No disrespect to those whom have a specific political standpoint, and reasons for it, but isn't they existing governing party always under fire for something?.

At least I have some faith in the election system in NZ, I would not vote if I lived in the US, it would be a pointless task.

[Skyryder]

You are absolutely right. Elections in NZ are never won. They are lost.

I tend to agree that elections in New Zealand are lost, but in politics there are always exceptions.

Norm Kirk won the 1972 election for Labour.

The Labour Party under Norm Kirk inflicted a severe defeat on the National Party in the 1972 election. Their "Time for Change" campaign and Norm Kirk's television persona were too much for the more retiring Marshall. National was left with 32 seats out of 87. Among the new MPs elected that year was Jim Bolger.

And National won from Bill Rowling under Muldoon. Think that was about the last time.

Skyryder

[oldrider]

I tend to agree that elections in New Zealand are lost, but in politics there are always exceptions.

Norm Kirk won the 1972 election for Labour.

The Labour Party under Norm Kirk inflicted a severe defeat on the National Party in the 1972 election. Their "Time for Change" campaign and Norm Kirk's television persona were too much for the more retiring Marshall. National was left with 32 seats out of 87. Among the new MPs elected that year was Jim Bolger.

And National won from Bill Rowling under Muldoon. Think that was about the last time.

Skyryder

You must have been at a different ball game to me Skyryder, neither of those two elections were "won" by anyone, least of all the voting public of New Zealand! :sick:
Both National and Labour were pathetic (more so than usual) at that time. :yes:

Only the politically blind hopelessly attached supporters of each party would think otherwise.

That was proved in 1984 when the two parties swapped doctrines and their blind voters still followed and supported them without noticing the difference!!

Even Micky Savage's Labour only got in because the incumbents were voted "out!" :doh:

I have no party association or loyalty to cloud my view, I am only loyal to "New Zealand." :innocent: John.

[Winston001]

Did you hear this morning, that there are approx 800 zimbabwean overstayers of which there are expected a fair few of those are HIV positive carriers.
The labour government announced that if they come forward, they will be accepted and permitted NZ residency and....... Treated for the HIV virus???

What the Fark?????

Yet, The Govt has refused to treat the NZ woman with Breast Cancer by simply supplying the herceptin drug. A drug that Australia & UK are supplying with a wee note attached, saying that their woman are worth more than NZ woman!


I'm sympathetic to your views but must disagree. I should also say that I have had 3 relatives die of breast cancer, and my wife is in the high risk zone.

Nevertheless, NZ spends about $27 million/pa on specialist cancer drugs. Herceptin would cost $25 million - it is frigging expensive. What do you say to the few thousand people whose drugs are taken away if Herceptin is funded instead?

The AIDS treatment for a few of the immigrants may cost $1.2 million.

[Winston001]

I'm also disgusted at this Labour Government. If there was one thing I used to grudgingly grant Helen Clark, it was her integrity. But she has lost it - keep in government no matter what the cost.

Paintergate was a media beat-up. There was a technical fraud, but all she did was sign a painting for a charity auction. No judge would convict anyone for that.

But the speeding fiasco and the cops being hung out to dry was the last straw. The PM should have publicly stated that she was running late and it was her wish to get to the destination - and thus she accepted responsibility for the high speed convoy. People would have accepted that.

But no - she remained silent. What a pitiable excuse for a leader.

As for Phillip Field? What a prat. He's history.

[Indoo]

But the speeding fiasco and the cops being hung out to dry was the last straw. The PM should have publicly stated that she was running late and it was her wish to get to the destination - and thus she accepted responsibility for the high speed convoy. People would have accepted that.

But no - she remained silent. What a pitiable excuse for a leader.



It just shows how corrupt she really is, given the governments stance against those evil speeders. An ordinary citizen doing 111kmh can expect a ticket regardless of what reason they have based on her governments orders. Yet however its acceptable for her to travel at 180kmh because she "might" be late and miss getting her face on T.V at an oh so important Rugby game.
It's a shame she didn't face aiding and abetting on dangerous driving charges.

The more sucessful you are, the more jobs you create and contribute to the economy, the more you are penalised and made to pay for that terrible mistake. It's a great condolence to know that for every extra hour you slave, a leeching beneficiary gets to buy an extra packet of smokes while they seek to have a sixth child (despite the fact they aren't competent to care for one) so they can earn even more money for breeding more failures.

National and Labour are essentially one and the same, if you want to make a difference, vote Qantas.

[oldrider]

I'm also disgusted at this Labour Government. If there was one thing I used to grudgingly grant Helen Clark, it was her integrity. But she has lost it - keep in government no matter what the cost.

Paintergate was a media beat-up. There was a technical fraud, but all she did was sign a painting for a charity auction. No judge would convict anyone for that.

But the speeding fiasco and the cops being hung out to dry was the last straw. The PM should have publicly stated that she was running late and it was her wish to get to the destination - and thus she accepted responsibility for the high speed convoy. People would have accepted that.

But no - she remained silent. What a pitiable excuse for a leader.

As for Phillip Field? What a prat. He's history.

Winston001, I concur regarding your disgust at this current labour government's performance and behaviour but Helen Clark and "integrity", no way!
I have met and worked with Helen Clark when she was still in opposition and formed my opinion then.
She has done nothing but fuel that opinion even deeper since she as been in office.
I am simply amazed at how long it is taking for the voting public to see through her thinly veiled disguise, of caring for anyone or anything, except to hold office and wield power!
Government at any cost (usually someone else's) is her motto, it is clearly there for all to see, unless possessed of "blind" loyalty!
We, (the voting public) get the government that we deserve, the electorate is so dumbed down to accepting the unacceptable and seem to lack the ability to think for themselves.
New Zealanders treat politics like some sports fixture and back their party like a sports club, thinking that they must support their chosen colours come what may, what brainless bullshit!
I am not affiliated to any political party and enjoy the freedom to choose from the motley offerings at election time and support those that will return the best within the time period given, (three years) while keeping an eye towards how it will effect the future of New Zealand overall.
I do not entirely blame the politicians, they simply dance to the tune that we the voters play for them.
Wake up new Zealand and change the tune before the freedoms we have enjoyed in the past are eroded beyond the point of return.
Phillip Field is just an expendable diversionary circus, hung out to dry to take the attention away from the fact that Labour stole taxpayers money to get themselves elected.
Another example of, Power at any cost, once again you and me, "the taxpayers" and now they will pass legislation making it legal!
How much evidence do you need New Zealand? :shit: John.

[Skyryder]

You must have been at a different ball game to me Skyryder, neither of those two elections were "won" by anyone, least of all the voting public of New Zealand! :sick:
Both National and Labour were pathetic (more so than usual) at that time. :yes:

Only the politically blind hopelessly attached supporters of each party would think otherwise.

That was proved in 1984 when the two parties swapped doctrines and their blind voters still followed and supported them without noticing the difference!!

Even Micky Savage's Labour only got in because the incumbents were voted "out!" :doh:

I have no party association or loyalty to cloud my view, I am only loyal to "New Zealand." :innocent: John.

The Labour Party under Norm Kirk inflicted a severe defeat on the National Party in the 1972 election. Their "Time for Change" campaign and Norm Kirk's television persona were too much for the more retiring Marshall. National was left with 32 seats out of 87.

The above was taken from http://www.national.org.nz/About/history.aspx This is a National site.

Nope same ball game OR. ……………….’inflicted a severe defeat on the National Party is indicative that Labour won as against National lost. With National only winning 32 seats out of 87 further confirms my interpretation.

Norm Kirk was the dominating figure in NZ politics. He ‘won’ the vote for Labour on his personality. The same can be said for Muldoon when he defeated Bill Rowling on his personality alone. Without these two dominant figure in NZ politics I would tend to agree with you but strong personalities tend to gather much larger support than would be other wise be the case. This was demonstrated by Jim Anderton with the eventual rise of the Alliance. It’s fall is another matter of which is not the subject of this thread.

I do on occasions move in political circles and at times this subject of winning or losing election arises in the course of political conversations. Contrary to your assertions that (National was voted out in 72) this is not the case. I can assure you that this is indeed the concensus of opinion in political circles of various persuasions and of independent pundents also.

I will however concede that both yourself and Finn are correct in that in the majority of occasions governments are voted out as against ‘in.’ But in 72................ history says you are wrong. :love: and kisses bro


Skyryder

[oldrider]

Skyryder, I am not attacking you, just expressing the game the way I saw it and many others outside of the political affiliates saw it as I did.
So many men, so many opinions, you might well say, well, I have shared mine with the forum, they will make up their own minds.
The Labour party was my father's party of choice and I grew up hearing about their greatness and caring policies for the working class.
That may well have been true in their first term of office with the introduction of the welfare state but that had a limited lifespan.
The welfare state was rendered ineffective by compounding debt, corruption and system abuse! Just as we have it today.
For me they (Labour) have been the singular most disappointing political realisation as I grew to understand the difference between what they say they stand for and what they actually do, when they get into power.
The second disappointment is the quality of the candidates that they seem to attract and offer to the public for them to blindly support into office, even after they have shown themselves to be clearly unworthy!
I am not a National party supporter, although I did give them both of my votes last election, something I am not totally comfortable with but they were the best choice offering of the two main evils at that time.
Once again I may be in disagreement with your views but I am simply expressing mine, it is how I see the game from where I am usually sitting. :innocent: John.

[scumdog]

IThe more sucessful you are, the more jobs you create and contribute to the economy, the more you are penalised and made to pay for that terrible mistake. It's a great condolence to know that for every extra hour you slave, a leeching beneficiary gets to buy an extra packet of smokes while they seek to have a sixth child (despite the fact they aren't competent to care for one) so they can earn even more money for breeding more failures.


So, so true, NZ needs to treat a hell of a lot of its 'leeches' with a big dose of 'get-hard', - paying only those physically/mentally incapable of work the benefit (and there will STILL be frauds and leeches - but not as bad).

I would rather my taxes went to hospitals, schools etc than to pay some lazy-arsed sit-around whose biggest effort is to visit the tinny-house and who feels it's his/her 'right' to live like this.

Parasites are normally not wanted in any society - but we PAY them to exist in our society, WTF??:mad:

[dawnrazor]

I've always thought its was very progressive of the NZ people to elect a transgender head of state

[Motu]

That may well have been true in their first term of office with the introduction of the welfare state but that had a limited lifespan.
The welfare state was rendered ineffective by compounding debt, corruption and system abuse! John.

Poor Norm Kirk,one our best leaders,but he never had the time to prove himself.His legacy is ACC,and he would be a sad man today to see what has happened to his dream.It was supposed to be self funding,not a fund to plunder....and he never gave a thought to the fact that not everyone was as hard working and honest as himself.Utopia's burst apart,the only stable government is a dictatotorship - look how long Castro has been in power.

[Skyryder]

Skyryder, I am not attacking you, just expressing the game the way I saw it and many others outside of the political affiliates saw it as I did.
So many men, so many opinions, you might well say, well, I have shared mine with the forum, they will make up their own minds.
The Labour party was my father's party of choice and I grew up hearing about their greatness and caring policies for the working class.
That may well have been true in their first term of office with the introduction of the welfare state but that had a limited lifespan.
The welfare state was rendered ineffective by compounding debt, corruption and system abuse! Just as we have it today.
For me they (Labour) have been the singular most disappointing political realisation as I grew to understand the difference between what they say they stand for and what they actually do, when they get into power.
The second disappointment is the quality of the candidates that they seem to attract and offer to the public for them to blindly support into office, even after they have shown themselves to be clearly unworthy!
I am not a National party supporter, although I did give them both of my votes last election, something I am not totally comfortable with but they were the best choice offering of the two main evils at that time.
Once again I may be in disagreement with your views but I am simply expressing mine, it is how I see the game from where I am usually sitting. :innocent: John.

Never saw your post as an attack on me. Shit Or I never take any post as an attack period. I'm just a :love: ing guy. Peace and harmony to all............red blue pinko's greenies tree huggers etc. :done: :rockon: that too.

Skyryder