Peter Jackson to remake Dam Busters

[SpankMe]

Bloody excellent. I loved this classic British WWII movie and I can't think of anyone better to do a retelling of the story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5301998.stm



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[Firefight]

have the vid(in black & white) dam good movie still watch it from time to time, and yes Spankme, who better to take the job on !!



F/F

[SpankMe]

Was also the first time I heard the word nigger, so for a long time I assumed it was a name for dogs like fido.


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[dawnrazor]

I can't think of anyone better to do a retelling of the story.
[/CENTER]

'cus he did such a good job with king kong didn't he!!!!

remakes - whats the point, nothing wrong with the original, why remake it? remakes are the realm of the lazy and the greedy.

bloody remakes - I'd have expected more from PJ to be honest, whats next the guns of navarone 2007 with ewan mcgregor and J-Lo.

[Bend-it]

Yeah!! 10 full size Lancaster replicas to be made by weta! That would be the business!

[Deano]

Was also the first time I heard the word nigger, so for a long time I assumed it was a name for dogs like fido.


I bet they will be changing his name to something a tad more PC.

I still remember when he got runded over :bye: I hate sad shit about animals.

[Indiana_Jones]

Good to see Jackson is still comming up with original ideas and not just remaking old films :whistle:

-Indy

[Deano]

Good to see Jackson is still comming up with original ideas and not just remaking old films :whistle:

-Indy

Original like Snakes on a Plane ? :sick: (I haven't seen it so can't really comment but........)

[Switch]

Being a young fella, and not born in the 50-60's i've never seen the movie, so will be good when jackson finishes it.

[Deano]

Being a young fella, and not born in the 50-60's i've never seen the movie, so will be good when jackson finishes it.

Hey I'm a yung fella too. Well, not born in the 50's or 60's anyway.

Ever heard of re-runs....? You know, before reality TV was invented......:yes:

[Switch]

Indeed, but never heard of the movie...:nya:

[Indiana_Jones]

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"TIP TOP, CHEERIO, FOR KING AND COUNTRY AND ALL THAT!"

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"HA HA! JOLLY GOOD SHOW, OLD MAN!"

"SMOKE ME A KIPPER, I'LL BE BACK FOR BREAKFAST!"



Now that's a movie :D

God we Britons rule :D

-Indy

[The_Dover]

I bet they will be changing his name to something a tad more PC.

I still remember when he got runded over :bye: I hate sad shit about animals.

I think a dog called "African-american" would sound a bit odd in a plummy english accent.

[SPman]

Shit - for the money they spend on the movie, they could probably get every surviving Lancaster back in the air - Now that would be worth watching!

[Bend-it]

Shit - for the money they spend on the movie, they could probably get every surviving Lancaster back in the air - Now that would be worth watching!

All of 2? ;)

[Lou Girardin]

Could be great. If they don't make all the heroes Americans. Like they did with U571.

[Indiana_Jones]

Can we get a great escape remake while we're at it?

-Indy

[Big Dave]

Shit - for the money they spend on the movie, they could probably get every surviving Lancaster back in the air - Now that would be worth watching!

The Australian version will be called 'The Dam's run dry again, Buster'. :shit:

[Big Dave]

Can we get a great escape remake while we're at it?

-Indy


Now look here old chap. That sort of talk could get the Squadron in trouble. Loose lips shouldn't wear hotpants - all that sort of thing.
Now carry on and be a good chap - mind how you go.

[SPman]

All of 2? ;)
I think there are about 14 Lancs, all up, worldwide, in varying states of intactness

[Switch]

I'm guessing a Lancaster is a type of airplane? :doh:

[McJim]

I'm guessing a Lancaster is a type of airplane? :doh:

Nah it's a town in northern England....like Halifax.....but with a different tail profile....

Thing about re-makes is that half the time you know how they're going to end.

[Indiana_Jones]

I'm guessing a Lancaster is a type of airplane? :doh:

Yeah. It is


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Rule Britannia

-Indy

[Swoop]

I think there are about 14 Lancs, all up, worldwide, in varying states of intactness
I think you have it nailed there. There are 2 flying. The BBMF has one and the Canadian Warplane Heritage museum has the other (although possibly not fully restored yet).
PJ has done quite a lot for vintage flying. Restoring aircraft for the King Kong movie footage and also involved in the new aviation museum in (Blenheim???) South Island anyway...

[Swoop]

I'm guessing a Lancaster is a type of airplane? :doh:

Go the the MOTAT Aviation museum. There is one there! I remember when they used to fire up the Merlins when it was next to the main gate at Western Springs...

Mmmmmm. Merlins!!!! *drool*

[Maha]

Good to see Jackson is still comming up with original ideas and not just remaking old films :whistle:

-Indy

My thoughts too Indy......:whocares:

[Maha]

I'm guessing a Lancaster is a type of airplane? :doh:

I used to throw those fuckers of the balcany as kid......but they were made of Bolsa wood.......:yes:

[far queue]

Could be great. If they don't make all the heroes Americans. Like they did with U571.Yes, bloody yanks, rock up to the war late, even then they were forced into it, then claim they won it all by themselves ... oh, there may have been some english, russians, canadians, kiwi's, aussies etc, etc, along too as extras but they barely get a mention. Then they make movies like U571 claiming credit for what was a british event, and the recent remake of Pearl Harbour where the yanks also won the battle of Britain - christ they had no oficial involvement in that at all - the only yanks there had been US civilians prior to volunteering for the RAF with no support from their government. It's the same with a lot of the doco's on the history channel, if a yank made it then there's a fair bit of bullshit in it - the british made ones are more accurate.

Right I'll just hop off the soapbox now and pop my flak jacket on.

I would think Peter Jackson would make Dambusters accurately, he seems to like doing things accurately, is an aviation enthusiast himself, and seems capable of doing things his way. As for it being a remake - he made Lord of the Rings because it was a story he had always wanted to do, and King Kong was a movie he had liked as a child an wanted to remake sometime, and as I said he's an aviation enthusiast so I assume this is simply another movie on his "to do" list and indulges his desire to play with planes.

Anyway, cool news, I'm looking forward to it :corn:

[TLDV8]

I remember seeing the Movie as a Sunday Matinee... :woohoo:..It will be interesting to see what PJ can do but somethings are best left as is, that was the beauty of the Original....Better isn't always best.

[TLDV8]

Some other great Movies (Not Aircraft)

Das Boot

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082096/

Cross of Iron

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/

Attachments are Solomon Islands (Guadalcanal) ..Jungle pics Bougainville Island

[SwanTiger]

Awesome pictures, did you take them?

[Lou Girardin]

It's the same with a lot of the doco's on the history channel, if a yank made it then there's a fair bit of bullshit in it - the british made ones are more accurate.


I was watching something on History channel about how the Yanks won Operation Iraqi Freedom:killingme :killingme
Last week there was another about how they 'withdrew' from Vietnam with honour and dignity:killingme :killingme :killingme

[TLDV8]

Awesome pictures, did you take them?

Indeed Swanny...... I did 3 / 6 month stints at Bougainville Coppermine between Jan 1982 and Apr 1985.The flight was from here up to Port Villa/Vanuatu,then on to Honiara in the Solomon's.Then a flight on a twin engine Metro (Cigar) up to Bougainville.I took any opportunity i could to go Bush (Jungle) when there was time off.

There was very heavy fighting in the Pacific Arena including the Solomon's and Bougainville.I remember being on a trek one time and finding 3 Mitsubishi Zero's that had been dragged out of the Jungle and were sitting on 44 gallon drums (but didn't have my camera on me).....They were going somewhere... i remember wading through a swamp with a few others around Xmas 84,between us we had a rotting piece of meat,an old shot gun and a rope with a hook..crock hunters :doh:...I had always had an interest in that area since both my Father (RAAF) and Step Dad (RNZAF) were based around there..


http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/oceania/sb.htm

[The Pastor]

'cus he did such a good job with king kong didn't he!!!!

remakes - whats the point, nothing wrong with the original, why remake it? remakes are the realm of the lazy and the greedy.

bloody remakes - I'd have expected more from PJ to be honest, whats next the guns of navarone 2007 with ewan mcgregor and J-Lo.

It all depends on how its made, if its entertaining and a good story then why not? Its not going to lessen the orginal in anyway so whats the harm? (apart from my personal view on spending billions in making a movie where it could be spent on somthing more worth while)


Being a young fella, and not born in the 50-60's i've never seen the movie, so will be good when jackson finishes it.

Excellent point.


I remember seeing the Movie as a Sunday Matinee... :woohoo:..It will be interesting to see what PJ can do but somethings are best left as is, that was the beauty of the Original....Better isn't always best.

No your wrong. Noob.

But you gotta wonder what its going to be like,

'Gollum give me the ring'
"no frodo its my prescioussss"
'hurry before the bombs destroy the one...'

*from the aircraft to home base*
'Sir we cant get the ring, the bombs we are dropping are being throwen back to us by a large gorilla'

25hrs later, The end. (they kill the ape, destroy the ring, and blow up a dam)

[Paul in NZ]

I reckon he should do 633 squadon.... Choice...

Then - all the Commando comics....

[far queue]

I reckon he should do 633 squadon.... Choice...

Then - all the Commando comics....Cor that brings back some memories.

I also saw on the news today that Airfix have gone under, I've built lots of them in the past.

[eliot-ness]

Could be great. If they don't make all the heroes Americans. Like they did with U571.

The Yanks refused to allow the original to be shown in American cinemas unless the film was changed to show an American plane leading the bombing runs. Caused a real stink in the UK. The same was true of most Brit war films. If the Yank generals weren't running the show the films were banned.

[McJim]

The Yanks refused to allow the original to be shown in American cinemas unless the film was changed to show an American plane leading the bombing runs. Caused a real stink in the UK. The same was true of most Brit war films. If the Yank generals weren't running the show the films were banned.

Didn't realise that - so they're fed bullshit from the media and their education system? Explains why many of them believe Americans invented the telephone, first televeision pictures, antibiotics, slitting the atom (a kiwi), the radio (italian). I thought it was ignorance but it appears to be misinformation.

It's a credit to the Americans that live outside the USA that they've managed to overcome this misinformation and live among us....well done.

[Big Dave]

I reckon he should do 633 squadon.... Choice...

Then - all the Commando comics....

Guns of Navarone
Wild Geese
Then,
Dirty Dozen
Kelley's Heroes

and by that time starship troopers will be a cult classic and re-do-able.

[miSTa]

Reminds me of a couple of books I have (attached) from 1956 - used to belonged to my father.

I hope Jackson remains faithful to the books and doesn't embellish it like King Kong.

It was interesting to watch the director (whatever his name was) on tonights news talking about the name of Gibsons dog, Nigger and whether they should use it or not. Expect a lot pc bullshit around that one unfortunately.

[SimJen]

Yeah on the news they mentioned including a lot more of what actually happened that wasn't included in the original movie. Hopefully it'll be an informative look at some great design genius and awesome flying.
I remember as a kid in the UK standing on a test bouncing bomb at a plane museum my parents took me too.....awesome stuff. Even though it was a big ball of rusty steel, I still realised the importance of such a device as I was a big fan of the book and film from an early age.

[Finn]

I'm not a fan of Peter Jackson. There's not one movie he's made that I've enjoyed. My short attention span couldn't hack Lord of the Ferries and how many fucking gorilla movies can one watch? If you wanna see gorillas, get Sky and tune into the Discovery Channel.

But I do agree with SpunkOnMe. Dam Busters is a bloody classic so let's hope he doesn't fuck it up. He should just get Weta to colour in the frames of the original B&W and I'll be happy. The problem is the American market wants to see romance and all that other hollywood bullshit. It'll be a tough one. You've got dams, some planes and a bomb. How you gonna stretch that into a 3 hour movie?

[Flatcap]

It'll be a tough one. You've got dams, some planes and a bomb. How you gonna stretch that into a 3 hour movie?

The same way you stretch catching a gorilla and taking it back to the city into 3 hours

[miSTa]

Let's hope he doesn't see the need to make it 3 hours long

[Timber020]

I think he will do a good job of it, hes passionate about the films he makes and makes quality films. His head isnt up the americans ass so far that he can only see their bullshit.

The orginal was a classic, but I will look forward to one where the flak and dam collapses is less "thunderbirds".

How about another battle of britain. Or how about a movie about Hans-Ulrich Rudel. now that would be cool.

[Motu]

on the news today that Airfix have gone under,

NOOOOOO....NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :gob: say it's not true!!! I can't believe Airfix are gone,that's,that's....like half my childhood....destroyed....gone....

I need a drink.

[Maha]

Rumour has it that Jack Black has put his name forward for the part of the lead bomb.....:killingme

[Indiana_Jones]

Airfix models are crap lol :D

Tamiya ftw.

-Indy

[Magua]

Airfix are teh sux. Academy put out some good shit, but Hasagawa is where it's at.

[sAsLEX]

Bad Taste was and is his best film!

[smokeyging]

I think ‘Peter Jackson’ doing ‘dam busters’ is a good idea, a little history lesson for everyone won’t go astray. Those dam buster boys, now, they had balls. We are lucky we aren’t speaking German or Japanese today….well, so I’m lead to believe…

[far queue]

Airfix models are crap lol :D
Tamiya ftw.
Airfix are teh sux. Academy put out some good shit, but Hasagawa is where it's at.Yes, Airfix does pale in comparison these days, but "way back when" they were great. Academy kits are great value for money these days.


Bad Taste was and is his best film!Great movie that.

[Mooch]

Good to see Jackson is still comming up with original ideas and not just remaking old films :whistle:

-Indy

Can't wait for him to remakeTop Gun:msn-wink:

[TLDV8]

Can't wait for him to remakeTop Gun:msn-wink:


Or Ghost (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099653/) with Helen Clark and Rodney Hide...... :wacko:

[The Pastor]

I'm not a fan of Peter Jackson. There's not one movie he's made that I've enjoyed. My short attention span couldn't hack Lord of the Ferries and how many fucking gorilla movies can one watch? If you wanna see gorillas, get Sky and tune into the Discovery Channel.

But I do agree with SpunkOnMe. Dam Busters is a bloody classic so let's hope he doesn't fuck it up. He should just get Weta to colour in the frames of the original B&W and I'll be happy. The problem is the American market wants to see romance and all that other hollywood bullshit. It'll be a tough one. You've got dams, some planes and a bomb. How you gonna stretch that into a 3 hour movie?

Boo00bies.

[Indiana_Jones]

Can we get a 3 hour "Top gun" ? :D


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Complete with a 10 min intro Synth and rock end version of "Top gun anthem"?


<img src="http://www.tomcat521.com/tomcat/history/story/topgun.jpg" align="centre" vspace="10" hspace="10">

:rockon:

-Indy

[Swoop]

How about another battle of britain. Or how about a movie about Hans-Ulrich Rudel. now that would be cool.

Yes!!
Or Galland, or Steinhoff, or Hartmann, or Marseilles!!!!

[Timber020]

Hey you missed out Rall, Barkhorn and Kittel.

Macki was a legend, even if his eyelids ended up being made up of bits of his scrotum

[James Deuce]

Yes!!
Or Galland, or Steinhoff, or Hartmann, or Marseilles!!!!

Or someone controversial like Heinz Knoke or Hajo Hermman. Hermann is still alive (born 1913) and still denying the Holocaust and Germany's role in starting WWII. A real story, not some pro-allied jingoistic bullshit.

Even better if you like WWII bomber stories: Klaus Haberlen.

[Timber020]

Holocaust denial is such a croc of shite. General McArthur was a pedophile, steve mcqueen was a wife beater. Sometimes its better to concerntrate and film the great things people do. I dont agree with what the nazis did, but I respect the ability of there fighting men.

The Germans made the rest of the worlds fighter pilots seem like part time wusses. The top 5 american aces combined shot down 160 planes, the top 5 germans shot down 1453.

There are still some great movies to be made

[Indiana_Jones]

How about another Bismarck movie :D


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-Indy

[Kickaha]

How about another Bismarck movie :D

-Indy

I'd rather a Tank movie, someone like Michael Wittman because it'd have to have Tigers in it :yes:

[Swoop]

Or someone controversial like Heinz Knoke
Is he the author of "I flew for the Fuhrer"? He pioneered dropping bombs on the B-17 formations? A good read!

Even better if you like WWII bomber stories: Klaus Haberlen.I do not know about this person. What is the book title? Overview if you would enlighten me please?

Secondhand bookshops with 1950's vintage books are an excellent source, but I had to resort to Amazon to obtain Hartmann and Marseille's books.

[Deano]

I think a dog called "African-american" would sound a bit odd in a plummy english accent.

Apparently the dog's name is quite a hot topic - just read an article in the DomPost.

How about 'Nigel' - keeps some of the old but ain't nearly as offensive ? Would also sound ok in a plummy English accent.

[Lou Girardin]

The Germans made the rest of the worlds fighter pilots seem like part time wusses. The top 5 american aces combined shot down 160 planes, the top 5 germans shot down 1453.



That's because many of them fought in the Spanish civil war and on the Eastern front. And German pilots flew until they died, no rotation home for them.
The guys I equally admire were the Battle of Britain aces. They fought against the odds, in plane that were, at best, equal to the Germans, but usually inferior.

[Lou Girardin]

I'd rather a Tank movie, someone like Michael Wittman because it'd have to have Tigers in it :yes:

History channel did an entire programme on him. He was a freak, wiping out an entire company of armoured vehicles with one tank. No-one else approached his skill. (or luck)

[sAsLEX]

Apparently the dog's name is quite a hot topic - just read an article in the DomPost.

How about 'Nigel' - keeps some of the old but ain't nearly as offensive ? Would also sound ok in a plummy English accent.

what about Niger

Niger, black, a little tinged with gray.

[Krayy]

I'd rather a Tank movie, someone like Michael Wittman because it'd have to have Tigers in it :yes:
Best tank movie I have ever seen was "The Beast of War" about a Russian tank crew in Afghanistan. Frickin fantastic.

Don't know if it's out on DVD though...I would assume so but I've never looked for it.

[Dooly]

History channel did an entire programme on him. He was a freak, wiping out an entire company of armoured vehicles with one tank. No-one else approached his skill. (or luck)

Indeed, but rightly so, his long term gunner got almost as much kudos.
His gunnery and reflexes were exceptional.

[Deano]

what about Niger

Niger, black, a little tinged with gray.

"Holmes" ? A little black, a little English......

[James Deuce]

FFS. The Dog's name was nigger. We may as well concede that the Germans won WWII if we can't get past the FACT that the world of the 1940s was a very different place to today's world.

[Deano]

FFS. The Dog's name was nigger. We may as well concede that the Germans won WWII if we can't get past the FACT that the world of the 1940s was a very different place to today's world.


That is basically what PJ was saying in the DomPost article, and that he is remaking an original movie, warts 'n all. But he also said he is considering the name carefully.

Personally I thought Holmes was a pretty funny alternative, and ultimately said in jest.

[Squeak the Rat]

But the point is exactly that - the world is a different place from today. There is no need to use the dogs name in todays context - it has no direct relevance to the story. Likewise if the behaviour of the aircrews doesn't meet todays moral standards we shouldn't show it warts and all. It all makes no impact on the story, and is completely unecessary. As are over the top scenes showing graphic gunshot wounds etc - what's the point.

Historical accounts are all good, but lets not get carried away.







[Edit:] I wasn't going to point out that i was being sarcastic, but on re-reading it looks exactly like what some people would say. D'oh.

[Swoop]

FFS. The Dog's name was nigger. We may as well concede that the Germans won WWII if we can't get past the FACT that the world of the 1940s was a very different place to today's world.


My sentiments exactly. Guy Gibson named his black labrador Nigger. End of story.
If the politically correct can't handle this piece of history, they should go back to their own planet.
(I seem to remember that Nigger liked a drink of beer... Just hope PJ can find an alcoholic dog somewhere...)

[The_Dover]

well, he wont struggle to find an alcoholic ni.........

i'll stop right there.

[Lou Girardin]

Indeed, but rightly so, his long term gunner got almost as much kudos.
His gunnery and reflexes were exceptional.

It was amazing to learn that he often pivoted the tank on it's tracks to aim the main gun instead of turning the turret, said it was quicker. He also used Kentucky windage (probably called Bavarian windage over there) instead of setting the range on the sight for each shot.

[James Deuce]

Is he the author of "I flew for the Fuhrer"? He pioneered dropping bombs on the B-17 formations? A good read!

I struggled with the unrepentant, unapologetic Nazism he showed throughout life. Still it was good to realise that even Nazis have parents. The forewords by his parents were quite illuminating.



I do not know about this person. What is the book title? Overview if you would enlighten me please?


The potted history isn't that good, but he's an interesting bloke.
http://www.aviationcollectables.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_27&products_id=147
I "lent" (more like permanent "you're not getting it back" loan) my copy to a friend. Stupid.

Just picked up two of Steinhoff's books last week.

[eliot-ness]

FFS. The Dog's name was nigger. We may as well concede that the Germans won WWII if we can't get past the FACT that the world of the 1940s was a very different place to today's world.


There used to be a fashion colour, Nigger Brown. That was discontinued for PC reasons.
The name 'Nigger' for a dog probably died out for reasons of personal safety. With the large numbers of West Indian immigrants after the war, walking the streets at night calling for your lost dog wouldn't have been the wisest move.

[mstriumph]

It was amazing to learn that he often pivoted the tank on it's tracks to aim the main gun instead of turning the turret, said it was quicker. .

it is...? and more fun

[SpankMe]

Nigger: This was the name of Gibson's black Labrador dog, killed in a hit-and-run accident on the day of the mission (in the film). In fact, the fatal accident took place the day before, and the car did stop (it was driven by an RAF officer). "Nigger" was also the codeword to indicate the breaching of the Möhne Dam; although today deemed politically incorrect (despite the fact that it simply stems from the Latin word for black), it is still used in the recent DVD release of the film, despite earlier suggestions that the film should be sanitized (some US releases of the film had all references to this word cut, although it does appear in the US DVD release). Sharp-eyed viewers may spot the "ghost of Nigger" running through the trees at the end of the film (where Gibson is talking to Wallis at Scampton) - no dog was known to be on the base when the film was made, so the identity of the animal seen on film remains a mystery!

http://www.computing.dundee.ac.uk/staff/irmurray/dambust.asp

[James Deuce]

From the link Spankme provided:

"Nigger was as unpopular on the station as his master (being prone to urinating on aircrew's legs after drinking too much beer), and a rumour from the time says that he was not buried where he appeared to be, but his body was dumped in the woods, a rumour supported by the lack of bones found in his gravesite when the grave had to be moved post-war; the accident which killed him may not have been wholly accidental."


I'm not sure if they meant that Gibson urinated on the legs of aircrew, or Nigger did. I can see how it would make them both unpopular though.

[SpankMe]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046889/trivia

American versions had "Trigger" dubbed for "Nigger" (the name of Gibson's dog, and one of the code words). The Morse code received in the Ops room was still "Nigger" though.
The dog used in filming to play the part of Nigger was also called Nigger.


I bet the US version (if not all versions) will use Trigger again.

[Motu]

But wasn't Trigger Palimino? It's so confusing....

[MD]

Best tank movie I have ever seen was "The Beast of War" about a Russian tank crew in Afghanistan. Frickin fantastic.

Don't know if it's out on DVD though...I would assume so but I've never looked for it.

Second that. A brilliant war movie. Also Kelly's heroes is one of my favorites. There's an old b&W WW2 movie with a young Jack Pallance and Eddie Albert as his cowardly captain. Was a classic but I can't remember the name? They did a remake of 'All Quiet on the Western front' - I think. But I've never seen the remake.

DomPost reports PJ intends NOT to Americanise the Dam Busters- thank you!

[far queue]

They did a remake of 'All Quiet on the Western front' - I think. But I've never seen the remake.Yep. From memory, the original movie was made in 1933 and the remake in 1976, although I could be wee bit out on those dates. I prefered the original - the remake had John-Boy Walton as the main character, which made it kinda unbelieveable for me.

[Kickaha]

History channel did an entire programme on him. He was a freak, wiping out an entire company of armoured vehicles with one tank. No-one else approached his skill. (or luck)

I think him and his crew just understood there Tank and how to use it to their best advantage agaisn't those they fought against

Also a lot of his (tank) kills were Shermans which were a pile of crap anyway, the Germans and the Russians built the best Tanks


Second that. A brilliant war movie. Also Kelly's heroes is one of my favorites.

My all time favourite :yes:

[Lou Girardin]

Also a lot of his (tank) kills were Shermans which were a pile of crap anyway, the Germans and the Russians built the best Tanks

Actually, more than half his victims were T34's, T34/85's and JS2's. He also wiped out more anti-tank guns than tanks. He considered them a far more dangerous opponent.

[Swoop]

the Germans and the Russians built the best Tanks

The German tanks were too well engineered (apparently), a hold over of the pre-war exactness of their engineering skills. They paid dearly for this in the conditions of the eastern front.
The Russians made plenty of tanks, quickly and with loose tolerances that functioned when the snow and mud held the German tanks in place. A bit like nowadays when the AK-47 will still be firing when the M-16 has long stopped functioning.

[Indiana_Jones]

The German tanks were too well engineered (apparently), a hold over of the pre-war exactness of their engineering skills. They paid dearly for this in the conditions of the eastern front.
The Russians made plenty of tanks, quickly and with loose tolerances that functioned when the snow and mud held the German tanks in place. A bit like nowadays when the AK-47 will still be firing when the M-16 has long stopped functioning.

High performance = High maintenance

T-34/85 = cool :D

-Indy

[Timber020]

The German tanks were too well engineered (apparently), a hold over of the pre-war exactness of their engineering skills. They paid dearly for this in the conditions of the eastern front.
The Russians made plenty of tanks, quickly and with loose tolerances that functioned when the snow and mud held the German tanks in place. A bit like nowadays when the AK-47 will still be firing when the M-16 has long stopped functioning.


The Russian tanks were miles ahead of the others in the design and battlefield stakes. Effective Angled armour, a great diesel engine so when they were hit they didnt burn like the crap explosive and petol filled tanks the allies had, a good gun, wide tracks and so tough even a peasant from the urals couldnt hurt em.
What the commonwealth and USA made, was an embarrasment. Our tank crews paid heavily for the ignorance of there makers.

The M16 got better once they started using the right ammo and did a few mods.