Pillioning Partner on R?

[Bend-it]

Restricted Licensed Drivers are not allowed to take any passengers apart from partners, or someone who has had a full licence for more that 2 years and is over 21 etc...

Does the same apply to pillions? Can I pillion my partner on a restricted license?

[crashe]

Short and simple answer: No you cant.



In a car a passenger is there beside you to take control.
On a bike the pillion is behind you.

[Bend-it]

Not for Partner either? Theoretically, an un-licensed partner couldn't help in a car either...

[Fishy]

You can basically do anything you want, its only against the law if you get caught remember.

[crashe]

Go to your local library and get the lastest Motorbike road code book or go to the LTSA website and read the facts there.
Or PM (private message) the cops on the site here to get the info you need.
(scumdog, spudchucka, bykeycop etc etc )

To carry a passenger in a car when you have your car restricted license, they must have their full license and be over the age of 20.
Or you can apply for a excemption for a family member to be in the car with you.
As some people have to carry their children to school etc.
Please double check on that.

On a motorbike you can not carry pillions until you have your full license.

You could risk it and take a chance. But then you risk getting caught and facing charges and getting a hefty fine.
The cops on the site here can tell you what you would get if caught.

How long do you have to wait until you get your FULL motorbike license?

[R6_kid]

Assuming shes worth more than $400 to you then i'd say go for it!

If you are sensible enough cops shouldnt 'pick on you'. I rode for a year and a half on my L without a plate and never got fined for it even though i was stopped a handful of times for random checks.

At the end of the day the choice is yours, its not 'legal', and you have to ride with an extra bit of consideration for cornering and stopping etc, it's like speeding - if you choose to do it, be prepared to face the consequences should they arise.

[Ixion]

No, sorry. I see where you are coming from, but the law makers have been too clever for you.

The law


LAND TRANSPORT (DRIVER LICENSING) RULE 1999
PART 4 - LEARNER LICENCES, RESTRICTED LICENCES, AND FULL LICENCES

16.Conditions of learner licence
[(d)in the case of a Class 6L licence, where the holder is riding a motorcycle, the holder—
(i)must display on the vehicle an ``L'' plate as specified in clause 66; and
(ii)must not—
(A)drive between the hours of 10 pm and 5 am; or
(B)drive at a speed exceeding 70 km/h, unless taking the restricted licence test for a Class 6R licence under clause 48(5); or
(C)drive a motorcycle that has a total piston displacement exceeding 250 cm3; or
(D)carry another person on the motorcycle or in a sidecar attached to the motorcycle]

,,,,,

Clause 18 Conditions of restricted licence
(a)In the case of a Class 1R licence, the holder—
(i)Must not carry any passenger, other than the holder's spouse [or partner] or a dependant, unless the holder is accompanied by a person described in subclause (2); and
(ii)Must not drive between the hours of 10 pm and 5 am unless the holder is accompanied by a person described in subclause (2); and
(b)In the case of a Class 6R licence, the holder must comply with the conditions applying to the holder of a Class 6L licence under clause 16 (http://www.legislation.co.nz/libraries/contents/om_isapi.dll?clientID=1267949601&hitsperheading=on&infobase=pal_regs.nfo&jump=r1999-100%2fs.16&softpage=DOC#JUMPDEST_r1999-100/s.16), except clause 16(1)(b) (http://www.legislation.co.nz/libraries/contents/om_isapi.dll?clientID=1267949601&hitsperheading=on&infobase=pal_regs.nfo&jump=r1999-100%2fs.16-ss.1&softpage=DOC#JUMPDEST_r1999-100/s.16-ss.1) and clause 16(1)(c)(ii) (http://www.legislation.co.nz/libraries/contents/om_isapi.dll?clientID=1267949601&hitsperheading=on&infobase=pal_regs.nfo&jump=r1999-100%2fs.16-ss.1&softpage=DOC#JUMPDEST_r1999-100/s.16-ss.1).



So the bit about "other than .. spouse" etc is specifically limited to the 1R. The class 6R simply imports all the 6L stuff, except the L plates and 70kph limit. So the exemption for partners is only available to cagers. Thye class 6L and thus class 6R simply say "must not carry a passenger. End of story.Sorry.

[Bend-it]

How long do you have to wait until you get your FULL motorbike license?

Dec, not long... but just wanted to know if it was strictly legal... :)


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If you are sensible enough cops shouldnt 'pick on you'. I rode for a year and a half on my L without a plate and never got fined for it even though i was stopped a handful of times for random checks.

Yeah, same... only had my L on for the test and afew days after that for good measure. I had the pate on longer on my R than on my L! :) Have taken the Mrs a couple of times, but just wanted to know the actual legality of it.


No, sorry. I see where you are coming from, but the law makers have been too clever for you.


Yes, thanks for that IX! That's the straight truth I guess...

Cheers all!

[Fishy]

I never had an L plate while on my learners and used to take passengers on my learners and restricted all the time. I got pulled over a couple of times but the cop just let me go and said my passenger had to find their own way home....I would just go around the block then come back and get them and carry on... No fines...no worries.

That was a about 10 years ago though, the law is a lot firmer these days.

[Moxy]

If you are sensible enough cops shouldnt 'pick on you'. I rode for a year and a half on my L without a plate and never got fined for it even though i was stopped a handful of times for random checks.


Yeah, I have been riding for about 4 years now in Wellington, and have only been pulled over four times - 2 for the compulsory breath test where everybody gets stopped, and two for speeding (62 in a 50k zone, and 83 in a 70k zone). The only times I had my license checked was when I was speeding.

As long as you look like you are a decent rider (and stick to the speed limit), I doubt that you will get your license checked more than once every couple of years.

[SuperDave]

On the topic of breathe testing - In all my time riding and driving (which would be over 25,000kms in 3 years or so) I have NOT once been breath tested. I've done a fair share of travelling in the early hours of the morning and on Friday and Saturday nights but never been checked. I reckon it's a joke them saying they are 'cracking down' on drink drivers and that 'the chances of being caught have just doubled'.