Why You Should Tell A Newbie To Slow Down

[k14]

Taken off another site:


Happened this weekend, group was riding "the gap". Hopefully everybody turns out ok.

This photo is from a group ride yesterday (Sunday). A bunch of friends
from Springfield, MO went for a group ride in northern Arkansas. Great
roads, great weather, great day for a ride. Unfortunately an unknown
'new kid' on a 600RR joined the ride, with a a horrible ego/skill ratio.
The guys were afraid to mention it to him, out of politeness I guess.

They should have. His riding ended up causing tens of thousands in
damage, probably hundreds of thousands in medical, and only by the grace
of God was no one killed. BARELY.

This is a shot taken at the scene of the accident, mere seconds after
the crash. 'Bo' (lower left corner, *UNDER* the truck), is the new CBR
600RR rider that overcooked the corner and proceeded to lowside and
wedge himself *under* the Chevy.

The older white Ford in the photo veered into the oncoming lane to go
around the wreck, decided against it, and started backing down the hill.
This is where Jason (Duc rider, Springfield Police Officer) met the
truck, 1/2 way around the corner. Jason jumped from the bike just
before impact, and ended up with his head/shoulder through the
windshield. Paul (following behind Jason) hit the old Ford as well,
though didn't sustain as much damage.

Luckily the other riders knew enough not to move ANYONE, so they left
Bo under the truck, and Jason on the hood. Bo might lose his right arm;
the doctors haven't decided yet. Jason was conscious the whole time,
but understood not to move. Good thing. He's got a fractured C7
vertabra (I think the same thing that happened to Christopeher Reeves).

So...next time you think it's rude or impolite to tell that 'over his
head' rider to cool down or screw off, think of this.

Damn, this would really suck. Also I presume the guy on the 600RR was a learner, yet another fine example of how "great" bikes they are for learning, even though the bike might have not fully contributed to the crash.

[vifferman]

Gee, this is really doing the rounds, isn't it? I was first sent this early in the week, by a guy on the LABiker list, then it turned up on two other lists I'm on.

Anyway, it's pretty sucky...

[Wenier]

shit he must of overcooked im sure that newbie wont be touchin a bike for a bit

[Motoracer]

Mother f*cker, that's bad!

Note the extensive use of protective gear used by these guys as well! :eek5:

[Big Dog]

Rotten luck for the experienced rider. Hate to say it but this is exactly why I hate being buzzed by 250s on group rides. It's not being passed by a smaller bike. It is someone else making decisions about my safety.

[jrandom]

Mother f*cker, that's bad!

Note the extensive use of protective gear used by these guys as well! :eek5:

Yup, that chappie who went through the windscreen looked like he was in a t-shirt. And he was supposed to be one of the 'experienced' riders?

Idiots taking themselves out... the worst part is the cost to the rest of society in patching them up, and then dealing with the negative image they create.

[k14]

Yeah, I noticed the good jeans aswell, probably squids, but still.

Natural selection nearly worked its course, shame it took out some innocent parties aswell.

[750Y]

glad no-one died.
one more reason why I avoid group rides...
chaos is the word that springs to mind.

[FROSTY]

shit --no sighn of leather or lids --stupid crash made more stupid by no protective gear.

[James Deuce]

Yup, that chappie who went through the windscreen looked like he was in a t-shirt. And he was supposed to be one of the 'experienced' riders?

Idiots taking themselves out... the worst part is the cost to the rest of society in patching them up, and then dealing with the negative image they create.

Thankfully it's in the US so there is no cost to society. No medical insurance, no decent medical treatment. No rehab, no "welfare" payments while off work.

[Marmoot]

it doesn't have to be newbie, though. Does it? :mellow:
I've seen experienced rider gone down the same way...
You guys take care out there :mellow:

[Motu]

shit --no sighn of leather or lids --stupid crash made more stupid by no protective gear.

Well,I can see a leather jacket and helmet behind Paul,and down by Jason it looks like the guys have jackets and boots - what we see are bystanders picking up the pieces.This sort of thing happens to anyone who thinks they can ride better than their real ability - even such astounding riders as myself.

[Skyryder]

Before I came here I used to post on couple of American Biker forums. Whenever some state started proposals about compulsary helmet laws out came the freedom thing. It's my head and I'm not wearing a helmut 'cause it prevents the wind on my face etc etc. Not too sure if they were wearing helmets but riding bikes without protective clothing.............words fail, just dumb.

Photo's like this show the value of forums such as these but unfortunately here as there, the photo album will never be complete.

Skyryder

[k14]

Well I think that if they don't want to wear a helmet there isn't anything to protect. I don't really care if the law was to not wear a helmet, I would wear one regardless. Primarliy for head protection from a crash, but also to stop shit hitting my face, stones etc and also massive bugs going up my nose and in my mouth. I've had some fairly decent stones flicked up and hit me when i was riding, wouldn't have liked to get them straight on my face.

Americans will always be like that, you won't be able to stop them. Trouble is that their stupid laws are starting to effect the rest of the world. I saw on Top Gear a few weeks ago that there are some new standards regarding the angle of the a-pillar on cars and some other things about designing cars. The root of the changes is yanks not using their seatbelts so the cars have to be designed to accomodate for an unseatbelted yank not getting hurt in a crash. So now the sports cars with a low pitch roof aren't going to be viable anymore, cause they can't be sold in the states.

[Slim]

These guys were wearing helmets, and it's a lucky thing the cop who exited his bike before impact was, because it put a huge dent in the windshield of the truck he landed on. :shit:

There was a lot of discussion (under statement!) about whether this photo was real, or a setup "accident" just to take a photo & scare the masses. Turns out it is real, and there's also a link to a news article which better explains the chain of events that saw 4 more vehicles involved after the first two came together. One of the ute drivers was also unlicenced and uninsured I believe, but can't remember if it was the first c@r or the 2nd one that the cop ended up on the bonnet of.

There was also surprisingly little damage to the Ducati that the cop was riding.

[Slim]

This is the thread with more photo's of the accident: http://www.swmosportbikes.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=820

And here's the news article: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1815&dept_id=516928&newsid=11957741&PAG=461&rfi=9 (it's the bit under the photo & not related in any way to the bold type either :wacko: )

[Bandito]

Well done on sending the article and photo in K14 it is food for thought and very sobering for all of us. I to am glad nobody was killed.

[KATWYN]

This is the reason Chris & I don't ride in groups anymore.

There was always some moron who ruined it by pushing
limits forgeting about the other riders.

It always resulted in a crash or a "ohhh that was close" situation.

[maybe]

Nothing wrong with either group rides or newbies on the rides as long as proper briefing completed before the ride and just a wennie bit of policing on the way. :calm:

[James Deuce]

This is the reason Chris & I don't ride in groups anymore.

There was always some moron who ruined it by pushing
limits forgeting about the other riders.

It always resulted in a crash or a "ohhh that was close" situation.

You just need to find a group that rides the way you do. I really enjoy group rides, and a modicum of discussion on your first ride can set the tone for years of fun with like-minded people.

[KATWYN]

You just need to find a group that rides the way you do.

Yes..and that is, a group that rides safely & considerately.

[James Deuce]

..And that is, a group that rides safely & considerately.

Absolutely. I ride with a couple of groups that people like White Trash and Cold Kiwi would describe as grannies. I don;t care though because the social elements more than make up for it, plus (touch wood) we tend to all ride home at the end of a day out.

[Slim]

You just need to find a group that rides the way you do. I really enjoy group rides, and a modicum of discussion on your first ride can set the tone for years of fun with like-minded people.
Sounds like an ad for a swinger party! :hug:

[FROSTY]

I guess Ive been riding with the same group of guys for so long Ive forgotten all the pre ride talking that is normally needed.
We do both kinds of riding normally. The controlled no passing,look out for the guy behind type of riding and the fang in the country type of riding.
i guess the difference is though that we all ride withing our -and our bikes capabilities.
We tend to do our fast riding in shortish bursts on sections of windy road we know well When we get to an intersection the front rider stops and waits for the other guys to ride past then joins on the end of the line

[Her_C4]

This is the thread with more photo's of the accident: http://www.swmosportbikes.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=820


Hmmm as much as I hate to come across as either a ghoul or a complete idiot ... I followed the link above but am unable to see any pic's. I tried to again registerign with the site first - but still no luck.

Without getting too personal - is this a problem with my PC or the driver (me!) :Oops:

[riffer]

Hmmm as much as I hate to come across as either a ghoul or a complete idiot ...

No, I didn't see any either. This often happens on forum sites where someone chooses to link to a photo on an external site, rather than attach a photo to their post.

The pics have probably been taken off the original site, hence your just seeing either a blank link icon, or nothing at all.

And you're not a ghoul. The ghouls hang out on www.ogrish.com
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[Her_C4]

The ghouls hang out on www.ogrish.com
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OMG!!!

I think that I musta' got more and more naive as I have got older..... eeeewwwwwwww :eek5:

Not that I am particularly squeamish - I didn't look at the pic's - the titles were enough :sick: :puke: - Is NOTHING is left to the imagination anymore???

[scroter]

I guess Ive been riding with the same group of guys for so long Ive forgotten all the pre ride talking that is normally needed.
We do both kinds of riding normally. The controlled no passing,look out for the guy behind type of riding and the fang in the country type of riding.
i guess the difference is though that we all ride withing our -and our bikes capabilities.
We tend to do our fast riding in shortish bursts on sections of windy road we know well When we get to an intersection the front rider stops and waits for the other guys to ride past then joins on the end of the line

have to agree here i ride with heaps of differnet groups all different levels. the same rule applies for all group rides if your up front then wait up the road. were all responsible for our own safety. If you cant control yourself then yes riding on your own for a while might be the answer. Riding in a group i reckon is way better because it throws the social aspect into the game as well. Plus less experienced riders can watch mor experienced and learn lines and things like that. if you cant keep up dont try well wait for you anyway. If everyone has fun and comes home at the end i cant see a problem.