Where's it gone?

[Lou Girardin]

I finally put the Bandit on the dyno yesterday. It developes a screaming 76hp!
Where the hell has the other 30 gone?
My K1 was putting out 90 plus with the jetting miles lean. 111 when that was fixed.
Further investigation is needed.

[kickingzebra]

blardy hp thieves!!
Mind you, if you have a spare 30 horse, I'll take em to stick on the gixxer!

[Cajun]

yeah 76hp is shocking lou, better go herd them up

[James Deuce]

Those Bandit Triples have always been gutless.

[Blackbird]

The dyno operator was either pissed or doesn't like you - probably both:done:

[scumdog]

Somebody probably snuck a Harley engine into your bike when you were'nt looking??

[The_Dover]

You didn't park your bike around any maoris did you?

They'll steal anything.

[pritch]

I finally put the Bandit on the dyno yesterday. It developes a screaming 76hp!


I suspected the AMPS dyno read a bit low but not that much :-)

[Motig]

Tried the SPCA ?

[Karma]

They went that way -->

[Lou Girardin]

Tried the SPCA ?

They asked if they were microchipped.

BTW. Anybody else know of this issue with K5 Bandits?

[Motu]

Castrated....I hope they used anesthetic.You got a gelding,a good work horse.

[Devil]

How does it feel on the seat-o-the-pants-o-meter?

[craigs288]

What size bandit?
My GS1200 is pretty similar and made a lazy 92hp at the wheel at 8000rpm.
Well, according to the dyno at Henderson Motorcycles.

[The_Dover]

I think Colemans put the "old codger" restricter in it Lou.

They were worried about you doing yourself an injury playing at Valentino Rossi on Gundry Street in rush hour.

[Lou Girardin]

What size bandit?
My GS1200 is pretty similar and made a lazy 92hp at the wheel at 8000rpm.
Well, according to the dyno at Henderson Motorcycles.

That makes sense, they use a Dynojet too I believe.
All the Bandits we've dynoed have exceeded 100hp.
Houston, we have a problem.

[Lou Girardin]

I think Colemans put the "old codger" restricter in it Lou.

They were worried about you doing yourself an injury playing at Valentino Rossi on Gundry Street in rush hour.

Well, they can remove it and put it in yours.
No wait, that'll hurt their bottom line.

[Big Dave]

Same output as my Tbird. Which is plenty if you can ride it right.

Airbox leaking?

[Lou Girardin]

Same output as my Tbird. Which is plenty if you can ride it right.

Airbox leaking?

Thanks for that, if I wanted sedate I would have bought one. This is a Suzuki, the finest motorcycles known to man.:scooter:

[roogazza]

Is it feeling slower Lou ? or has it always been that way ? cos we all know there are Dynos and Dynos !
With a jet kit and can they are supposed to be 115-120 at the rear . Mine now has lots more with cams and head work etc etc... Gaz.

[Lou Girardin]

Is it feeling slower Lou ? or has it always been that way ? cos we all know there are Dynos and Dynos !
With a jet kit and can they are supposed to be 115-120 at the rear . Mine now has lots more with cams and head work etc etc... Gaz.

It feels flat at high revs/WOT. Our dyno is conservative, but my K1 was done on a Dynojet too. This one has always felt less grunty than the K1, but I put that down to being new and tight and not having the airbox mod done.
We're going to try a new CDI unit first.

[Motu]

Throw parts at it,stop at $10,000....then diagnose.

[Lou Girardin]

Throw parts at it,stop at $10,000....then diagnose.

Thanks for the offer Motu, but it's still under warranty.

[Flyingpony]

Where the hell has the other 30 gone?

Further investigation is needed.
You LOST 30hp,,,,, my bike can't even produce 30hp!

Can also confirm that your missing HP haven't jumped out of your Suzuki and into mine. So there's no need to inspect my machine.

[Lou Girardin]

You LOST 30hp,,,,, my bike can't even produce 30hp!

Can also confirm that your missing HP haven't jumped out of your Suzuki and into mine. So there's no need to inspect my machine.

Don't believe you, return 25, keep 5 and we'll say no more about it.

[McJim]

Could be Lou is a big fella and needs all those ponies.
Could be Flyingpony is a wee fella and doesn't need the ponies.

How come you sell Harleys and Buells yet ride a bandit?

Is that really being true to those yankee cowboy steeds?

[Lou Girardin]

How come you sell Harleys and Buells yet ride a bandit?



I always was a rebel. Besides, Suzuki are the finest...........blah blah blah.

[Finn]

Lou, put your bike back on the dyno but this time don't sit on it.

[Lou Girardin]

Lou, put your bike back on the dyno but this time don't sit on it.

OK, I'm fat. So what makes your bikes so slow?

[The_Dover]

OK, I'm fat. So what makes your bikes so slow?

He's gay.

and bald.

and short.

[roogazza]

It feels flat at high revs/WOT. Our dyno is conservative, but my K1 was done on a Dynojet too. This one has always felt less grunty than the K1, but I put that down to being new and tight and not having the airbox mod done.
We're going to try a new CDI unit first.

A friend stripped his recently cos he had lost some zip ( wouldn't loft the wheel in first ) turned out it was coked up ????? He had been using 96 oct. and didn't rev it much. I always ran mine on 91 as it felt happier ! Thought it was strange that it coked up ?
K6's aren't restricted are they ? Good you are still under warranty but its not the 'norm' is it ? Hasn't Pixie got a new one too, lined them up ? PM me if you want some mod info I've just altered mine !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gaz.

[terbang]

Somebody probably snuck a Harley engine into your bike when you were'nt looking??

Narp, can't have. Too much HP..

[jtzzr]

You didn't park your bike around any maoris did you?

They'll steal anything.

I`d never steal off anyone who has less than me.:innocent:

[myvice]

Watchya whinging about?
Put my Bandit on the dyno and got 33 hp out of it!

[Edbear]

Watchya whinging about?
Put my Bandit on the dyno and got 33 hp out of it!



Ahah! I tihnk we found ze missing 30 odd horses!:yes:

[Lord Derosso]

HP is good but I also like the torque of the VF four engine for touring and overtaking in top gear. No mucking around. Hope you sort out the problem Lou as its something that may be effecting so many members. Perhaps the local Suzuki agents should be checking some of their stock sold. It isn't part of the warrantly service from what I have been told. Cheers.


PS My little 600 is suppose to have 86 HP at stock.....

[dawnrazor]

"Whose gonna ride your wild horses"

Not you until you catch them!!

[Lou Girardin]

A friend stripped his recently cos he had lost some zip ( wouldn't loft the wheel in first ) turned out it was coked up ????? He had been using 96 oct. and didn't rev it much. I always ran mine on 91 as it felt happier ! Thought it was strange that it coked up ?
K6's aren't restricted are they ? Good you are still under warranty but its not the 'norm' is it ? Hasn't Pixie got a new one too, lined them up ? PM me if you want some mod info I've just altered mine !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gaz.

Mine still wheelies off the throttle, then goes flat. I can't see it being carboned up at such low k's.
The standard ones have a very restrictive exhaust and airbox, I've put a Micron on and rejetted. Air/fuel ratio is damn near perfect from 3000 - 10000.
I took the bike into Colemans last night, they gave me a bog standard K3 Bandit to use. It's a rocketship over 6000 compared to mine.

[Lord Derosso]

I took the bike into Colemans last night, they gave me a bog standard K3 Bandit to use. It's a rocketship over 6000 compared to mine.


Been doing some country road testing ???? Hope its resolved soon.

[dawnrazor]

what about pixies bumdit? same story?

[Lou Girardin]

what about pixies bumdit? same story?

He's out of town. But he's said it's no different to his previous Bandit.

[dawnrazor]

Don't know about horses, but I smell a rat

[Motu]

It's a monday bike,you should of asked for a thursday bike....far,far superior.

[dawnrazor]

its the friday bikes after pay day you really need to careful on

[Flyingpony]

Don't believe you, return 25, keep 5 and we'll say no more about it.
Sounds like an interesting idea except, :killingme but but but but,,, it doesn't even have 25hp! Will have to convert the engine into some sort of black hole machine running at negative hp.

Rode the bike today, it's just as powerful as before and the engine has not grown a 2nd piston either,,, so unless your HP is sitting in a recliner chair within my FXRs engine, it's just not there.

[Ixion]

Sarge was exercising his cultural sensitivity when you bought it, Lou. He knew you were Italian , see, so he had them install the optional Italian engineering module.

You will find that you can recover your missing 30 hp if you ride with the left pillion footrest down, and the right front (only) indicator flashing, in a northerly or westerly direction. But only before noon.

During the period of the full moon, if you do the above, and in addition are running on reserve and put the rear brake on just enough to trigger the brake light , but without actually having the pads touch the calipers, you will recover not just the missing 30hp, but an extra 30 hp as well. But only if you are wearing a red helmet.

Italian machinery. Its like that. He thought it would make you feel culturally safe.

[Lou Girardin]

Sarge was exercising his cultural sensitivity when you bought it, Lou. He knew you were Italian , see, so he had them install the optional Italian engineering module.

You will find that you can recover your missing 30 hp if you ride with the left pillion footrest down, and the right front (only) indicator flashing, in a northerly or westerly direction. But only before noon.

During the period of the full moon, if you do the above, and in addition are running on reserve and put the rear brake on just enough to trigger the brake light , but without actually having the pads touch the calipers, you will recover not just the missing 30hp, but an extra 30 hp as well. But only if you are wearing a red helmet.

Italian machinery. Its like that. He thought it would make you feel culturally safe.

An interesting theory, as all yours invariably are. However, my Dear Ixion, I bought it from Mark.

[SARGE]

An interesting theory, as all yours invariably are. However, my Dear Ixion, I bought it from Mark.

Mark is Irish, so ...


AHA WATSON!!

[F5 Dave]

[bad japanese accent] AAHH Time for Sushi. Tighten mainjets later.

[Lunch followed by stripclub & 17 sakis] AHHH, whayt Eye do now? ahh, put carbs in -sure will be okytoky.

[Flyingpony]

Could be Lou is a big fella and needs all those ponies.
Could be Flyingpony is a wee fella and doesn't need the ponies.
Don't know about Lou, but I'm built rather like TonyB and Indy. Tall and slim.

[pritch]

Don't know about Lou, but I'm built rather like TonyB and Indy. Tall and slim.

I have visited Lou a couple times but he's something of an invisible man.

He tends to have a rather attractive colleague, and he works adjacent to a big screen TV, which along with a whole shop full of interesting stuff, means customers frequently complain of neck strain but nobody can recall what Lou actually looks like...

[Lou Girardin]

I'm a 'stealth' salesman. You don't know I'm there until you check your wallet.

[SlowHand]

You sell money?? Awesome. A money fairy!

[F5 Dave]

Yeah, $20 special deal for you $50 + gst:innocent:

[Lou Girardin]

You sell money?? Awesome. A money fairy!

I'm no fairy. But I've shagged a few.

[dawnrazor]

I'm no fairy. But I've shagged a few.

hmmmm......don't quite see how thats a good thing....but hey each to their own.

[scumdog]

I'm no fairy. But I've shagged a few.

Whatever turns your crank I say....

[Edbear]

Whatever turns your crank I say....



I believe that's what he's trying to get the Bandit to do....:yes:

[Swoop]

You don't know I'm there until you check your wallet.

I spotted some locals doing just that to tourists outside Notre Dame cathedral many years ago. Not very subtle but must have had a soft touch.

[SARGE]

I'm no fairy. But I've shagged a few.

dont worry Lou... they guy in back aint gay....


unless of course you are talking about "fairy" in the Lord of the Rings way...


then i'd consider you more of a Hobbit...




the chubby, overly sensitive one ...

[SlowHand]

I suppose all the eyeties look like hobbits..

[kickingzebra]

no some of them look like trolls, just to be fair

[Lou Girardin]

I only saw 10 minutes of the first Lord of the Ring. I only went because my wife promised it wasn't a gay movie. I fell asleep for the first time ever at the movies. So I don't what the hell a hobbit is.

[SARGE]

I only saw 10 minutes of the first Lord of the Ring. I only went because my wife promised it wasn't a gay movie. I fell asleep for the first time ever at the movies. So I don't what the hell a hobbit is.



these homo's are Hobbits ..

[Lou Girardin]

these homo's are Hobbits ..

Shit! That's Dover and Finn.

[The_Dover]

Shit! That's Dover and Finn.

Like fuck it is Louberace, I'm much taller and Finn has never had that much hair.

[beyond]

Hey Lou, did Colemans manage to remuster your lost horsies??
Where did they find them? :)

[Arronduke]

Spent thousonds rebuilding and porting a RZ350 motor in a RD350LC frame with custom chamber pipes and put it on the dyno and it made less power than standard. I was so up set I sold it after riding it to the Cold Kiwi.

Mates still give me shit about the waste of money years later. If you want HP buy a bigger bike.... good advice

[SixPackBack]

Cut your loses and buy a Honda lou..Suzuki's are shit.

[avgas]

HP or KW?
The math would fix the problem.....just like that show numbers

[SARGE]

Mates still give me shit about the waste of money years later. If you want HP buy a bigger bike.... good advice

hell man .. he's already got a 1200.. next step is a cage...

[Lou Girardin]

hell man .. he's already got a 1200.. next step is a cage...

Wash your mouth out!
The wife's cage has 180HP, it's even slower than my Bandit.

[SPman]

Like fuck it is Louberace, I'm much taller and Finn has never had that much hair.
Has Finn ever had any hair?

[Flyingpony]

The wife's cage has 180HP, it's even slower than my Bandit. True, but the cage can smoke two tyres at the same time... :dodge:

How about you ride a less powerful bike for a while, then hop back on the Suzuki and you'll be so happy with it's power delivery :love:

[Ixion]

Has Finn ever had any hair?

Finn has lots of hair. It's just in different places to most people. Well, different to any people , really.

[Lou Girardin]

True, but the cage can smoke two tyres at the same time... :dodge:

How about you ride a less powerful bike for a while, then hop back on the Suzuki and you'll be so happy with it's power delivery :love:

You are NOT getting my bike.

[Ixion]

But you have already killed or misplace one third of your horsies. Continue at this rate and very soon Mr Flying Pony's machine will be more powerful than thine.

[Pixie]

How come you sell Harleys and Buells yet ride a bandit?



This question contains it's own answer

[Pixie]

Don't know about horses, but I smell a rat

The rats stay away from my bandit...
My water tank, on the other hand...

[WINJA]

What Gear Did They Dyno It In ? Was It Tied Down Properly With No Rear Wheel Slip? Does It Have A Maple Leaf Emblem On Any Of The Stickers?if It Has The Stock Muffler Does It Have A Cat In The Muff For Euro Compliance? Can You Afford A Better Bike?

[WINJA]

http://www.ronayers.com/fiche/300_0315/gear_shifting/gear_shifting.cfm?man=su&groupid=4780&parent=4740

IS #41 THE BASE ASSEMBLY ON THE ABOVE FICHE THE PROBLEM , WE HAD A BIKE WHERE THE PINK WIRE NEED TO BE CLIPPED CAUSE IT HAD THE ANTI WHEELIE FUNCTION RETARDING THE IGNITION

[MacD]

Older Suzukis like some models of the RF had the pink wire ignition retard system. The Haynes Bandit manual shows the 2nd/3rd gear position wires as being the red/black and green/blue pair in the 4-way connector behind the LHS side panel. The blue wire is the neutral wire and black/white is earth.

Maybe it would be worth trying the bike with the gear position wires disconnected in case, as Winja suggests, there's a fault and its running permanently retarded?

[Lou Girardin]

The Dyno is the latest Dynojet, we are the agents for them. Dave and Gavin have done more Dyno runs than I've had hot feeds, so I trust them. They've had a 212hp turbo Gixxer on the rollers without slip.
When Gav did the initial run it was slightly rich on full throttle, he drilled the airbox to lean it out and got it right first time. Just like he did with my last Bandit. He guessed the correct jets first time out. He knows his stuff.
I've had the 2/3 gear wire disconnected and connected - no diff.
Today I've tested the TPS, it's working fine.
The next step is dynoing Pixies bike and depending on the result we'll swap ECU's.

[WINJA]

The Dyno is the latest Dynojet, we are the agents for them. Dave and Gavin have done more Dyno runs than I've had hot feeds, so I trust them. They've had a 212hp turbo Gixxer on the rollers without slip.
When Gav did the initial run it was slightly rich on full throttle, he drilled the airbox to lean it out and got it right first time. Just like he did with my last Bandit. He guessed the correct jets first time out. He knows his stuff.
I've had the 2/3 gear wire disconnected and connected - no diff.
Today I've tested the TPS, it's working fine.
The next step is dynoing Pixies bike and depending on the result we'll swap ECU's.

I THOUGHT YOUR BIKE JUST HAD A SHITTY CDI NOT A ECU, YOU MIGHTA JUST GOT A SHIT BIKE

[Lou Girardin]

I THOUGHT YOUR BIKE JUST HAD A SHITTY CDI NOT A ECU, YOU MIGHTA JUST GOT A SHIT BIKE

No, it's SHITE bike, but we'll soon know. But even a Friday bike shouldn't be down 30hp.

[WINJA]

No, it's SHITE bike, but we'll soon know. But even a Friday bike shouldn't be down 30hp.

IS IT CANADIAN , EVERYTHING FROM CANADA IS A BIT RETARDED JUST LIKE WAYLANDER.HAVE YOU LOOKED DOWN THE CARBS , IT HASNT GOT A WEBBING RESTRICTOR OR SOMETHING , THE OTHER WAY THEY CAN LIMIT THE HP IS LOW LIFT CAMS OR A RESTRICTED EXHAUST, IT MAY EVEN HAVE A RESTRICTED CARB LIKE LOW LIFT CV OR HARD SPRING ETC , SUX TO BE YOU RIGHT NOW , I USUALLY BUY A NEW BIKE TO AVOID HASSLES

[Finn]

Finn has lots of hair. It's just in different places to most people. Well, different to any people , really.

The specialist said there's nothing they can do about the hair on the soles of my feet. That doesn't bother me as much as getting the shits from eating 2 dozen bananas a day.

I'll challenge any of you to an arm wrestle though.

[Lou Girardin]

IS IT CANADIAN , EVERYTHING FROM CANADA IS A BIT RETARDED JUST LIKE WAYLANDER.HAVE YOU LOOKED DOWN THE CARBS , IT HASNT GOT A WEBBING RESTRICTOR OR SOMETHING , THE OTHER WAY THEY CAN LIMIT THE HP IS LOW LIFT CAMS OR A RESTRICTED EXHAUST, IT MAY EVEN HAVE A RESTRICTED CARB LIKE LOW LIFT CV OR HARD SPRING ETC , SUX TO BE YOU RIGHT NOW , I USUALLY BUY A NEW BIKE TO AVOID HASSLES

I'm told it's a NZ/Aust spec - no restrictions.

No hair in the intake or exhaust either.

[Edbear]

No hair in the intake or exhaust either.



And the soles of your feet..?

[Flyingpony]

I'm told it's a NZ/Aust spec - no restrictions.
Are all of your cylinders firing, spark plugs getting enough juice and cylinders getting enough fuel?

Have you done a compression test?

Did you suddenly notice a drop in HP or only found out when placed on the dyno?

Since it's putting out 1/3 less HP than the factory indicates it should, couldn't you just take it back to Suzuki to fix or are they paying for the tab of this little hide-n-seek adventure?

[Lou Girardin]

It runs fine at normal revs, no missing, no surging, clean as a whistle. I'd noticed it wasn't as grunty up top as my K2, but you tend to ride these things in the mid-range. There's no need to wring them out 80% of the time. That's why I didn't notice it so much.

[Lou Girardin]

Update. We dynoed Pixies bike today, it's exactly the same spec as mine.
Result - 105hp at the wheel. For some unknown reason it's also running richer than mine so with the jetting corrected there's probably 2 - 3 hp to come.
So now we've eliminated any possiblity that the mods I've done have lost 30hp.

[roogazza]

Very interested in hearing a result Lou . G.

[MacD]

Have you done the ECU swap yet Lou?

[Lou Girardin]

Have you done the ECU swap yet Lou?

Tomorrow. The bitch has started guzzling gas now too.

[Clivoris]

You didn't park your bike around any maoris did you?

They'll steal anything.

You insensitve b'stard.:nono: I only steal horsepower from people that can't handle it. But I'll call my cousin in Aucks and see if Lou has a rep for riding slow. The wasted ponies might have been lassood by someone trying to protect him from himself.:dodge:

[Lou Girardin]

I may be slow, but I gave Boomer a hurry up.:yes: And that was with 75hp in a fat pig of a bike.:scooter:

[boomer]

:whistle:

erveryone gives me the hurry up LOu :yes:

[sAsLEX]

fomr completness the solution http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=35690

[Lou Girardin]

:whistle:

erveryone gives me the hurry up LOu :yes:

Sorry Boomer, couldn't resist.:innocent:

[boomer]

Don't apologise Lou, i'd do the very same thing :mellow: