R1 setup problems.

[Darkman]

Went on a trip last weekend to Whakatane. Beautiful roads and weather up there. Starting to get use to my bike but have a few problems. One of the problems I have is I keep running wide, bike does not tip in as good as my CBR600rr did. Also sometimes going through corners the back wheel starts to spin out or something..feels like I’m riding on Ice. This it the fastest bike I have ever owned, but I found myself the slowest on it.Can’t even keep up with dirtbikes. Just don’t enjoy it as mush as my previous bike because something isn’t right. Was told that it could be my tire pressures. I am running 38 in the back and 34 in the front. Was told to run 36 back 32 front.
What pressures do you run on and could my problems be due to wrong suspension setup?

Oh yeah...cheers for the guys at Tony Reese Yamaha for helping me out on Monday morning...much appreciated!!

[skelstar]

Were is the trip report buddy? Don't hold out now!

[Scotty]

did you have a bit of weight on the back, two of the chaps i ride with own r1's they say the dont cary passangers well and hate pack rack's. They seam to very light in the front.

[beyond]

Hiya Darkman,

You are riding a bike with lots of horsies waiting to break loose. Ya need a real smooth throttle hand out of the corners unless you like laying rubber. :)

Other than that, your suspenders aren't set up right and you can remedy that here:
http://www.moto-racing.co.uk/Guides/motorcycleSuspensionSetup.htm

I don't know what tyres you are running but they could be too hard for your bike. I mean the compound, not the pressure. My mate rides an R1 and uses Pirelli Super Corsas with no problems and he is fast.

I am assuming your tyres are warmed up when you say they are spinning up on corners? If so, they sound like a hard compound or your suspension isn't allowing the bike to hunker down out of a corner in the rear.

[Darkman]

I am still running with the standard tires it comes out with..dunlop, something or other. Do not do sudden twists of the wrist, just rolling on the power..the guys I was riding with went at least 15kms/hour faster than me around 55km/h corners with no problems.
Want to change to softer sport tires soon, just not sure what yet.
oh yeah..had a bit extra weight on the bike..bout 10kg spread out on the bike..tank bag, back pack and tail pack.

[Shaun]

What year is it

[Crasherfromwayback]

The tyres are past half worn they're fucked anyway.
The first third of modern tyres work well, the next third so-so, and then they're ready for the bin.
Also.....modern sports bikes are set up for riders of average weight and ability, and a lot of people turn perfectly good motorcycles into evil handling piles of shit fiddling with them.
If you're around 75kgs, try the stock settings on fresh tyres with 32/34 psi and see how it feels. fresh fork oil won't hurt either.
Aye.

[Darkman]

What year is it


2006..it has a longer swingarm than the others.

[dss3]

I can tell you the settings I use to race with.... Step 1, put all settings to factory standard... step 2... go race.

Asked Tony what he reckoned for standard suspension... basically it was just harden up all the compression settings...

I don't know jack about suspension though... just go ride the things.

[Ralph]

Since it's a new bike I assume the tyres are in good condition, manufacturers don't usually but crap tryes on a new bike, ok there is better available sure but I would but your problems down to the suspension set up being all wrong for you, it shouldn't be that bad even with standard settings.
Check out the attachments, these are what I used to set up my bike and is bloody brillent now.
I've also attached some recommended settings for your bike, I know everyone rides differently but Hey what have you got to loose. Took me a couple of days so put some time aside.
Hope this helps.
With tyre pressures on the Dunlops for road use I suggest 34F/39R

[2much]

As the others have said, sort out your suspension settings. Also consider lifting the forks up thru the triple clamps, I found that helped the turn in heaps when going to a 100 from a 600. I ended up with 15mm above the top triple clamp.

[Karma]

I can tell you the settings I use to race with.... Step 1, put all settings to factory standard... step 2... go race.

Works for most people I'd assume, but I'm a fair bit heavier than your average bike rider, especially when riding a japper.

What's your average jap bike rider weigh? like 70-80kgs?

[Sparky Bills]

You wouldnt have that problem on a Honda:innocent:
Next time your passing by, stop in with the bike and ill have a look. It felt ok, when i rode it. Just a bit of tweeking here and there and you'll be sweet.

[slowpoke]

So how does it handle without shite strapped all over it?
Extra weight on YOUR back or on the back of the bike (pack rack or strapped to pillion seat) is a loooong way from the bikes centre of gravity and will have a big effect on handling.
As per dss3's comments (and performance on the track), along with my own test ride, they handle pretty sweetly straight outta the box.
I can only suggest you check the settings are as per standard. If they are, and you're still not happy, check out the million and one sites on the web detailing specific model suspension setup and see if something strikes your fancy.

[Korea]

I have limited R1 riding experience, but I thought it was a weapon!
Here's a couple of ideas I had...
Compared to the 600, R1 needs to be 'put' into the corner a bit more - all in the steering, don't try to muscle it in - I hear they bite.
Running wide? Are you on the throttle too early? After stepping off the 600 onto bigger bikes with more midrange I found that I tend to dial in the throttle too much too soon which makes me run wide.
My 2p...

[Dafe]

Talk to Sugi about Tyre Pressures. I was running 38 at the back too.

Now I run 33 Front, 34 Back. Bike feels far far better as a result.

Give it some time dude, you'll get used to it. If your backs spinning up, maybe you're applying the throttle too quick. Are you rolling on smoothly?
What rev range are you putting in on in?

Also, Are you shifting your body weight? Talk to Uncle B.
What tyres are you running. If they're bridgestones, I'd swap!

All in all, A good ride I take it?

[cowpoos]

more rear spring preload.....will help resist squat......especially with luggage or pillion on it....when a bike squats quite abit the rear can feel like its sliding or spinning....also while doing this the geometry alters...increasing steering angle....which is where the feeling of running wide is coming from....

[Fatjim]

Hey bro, I think you might just need a bit more confidence in the thing. Get a few good riders to have ride up the hill on it for their impressions. If they don't have a prob thens it's most likely in the head. I get the same thing all the time, always thinking the front or the rear "doesn't feel right". A good hard fang on the hill often sorts it out.

[Darkman]

One thing Deano just noticed is that the back, when pushed in, does not come back fast enough..not sure what that means though. Yeah...want a good rider to check it out for me..someone of same height, weight...Uncle B, Fancy a ride?
Also..Shaun said to contact him, so will do that..get his input.
It could all be in my head..but last time I went to lake ferry, I took Martin's bike on the way back and all of a sudden my head cleared..
I'm gonna lower the tire pressures for now and see what it does..just waiting for the road to dry up. Hoping for a good weekend.

[Darkman]

more rear spring preload.....will help resist squat......especially with luggage or pillion on it....when a bike squats quite abit the rear can feel like its sliding or spinning....also while doing this the geometry alters...increasing steering angle....which is where the feeling of running wide is coming from....


the bike goes down about 30cm in the back, but takes a while to get back up.

[Fishy]

One thing Deano just noticed is that the back, when pushed in, does not come back fast enough..not sure what that means though. Yeah...want a good rider to check it out for me..someone of same height, weight...Uncle B, Fancy a ride?
Also..Shaun said to contact him, so will do that..get his input.
It could all be in my head..but last time I went to lake ferry, I took Martin's bike on the way back and all of a sudden my head cleared..
I'm gonna lower the tire pressures for now and see what it does..just waiting for the road to dry up. Hoping for a good weekend.


Give Shaun a call, he will see you right. I spoke to him about my GSXR and he gave me some good info on how to sort it and why it feels similar to how yours does.

Mine felt like I was riding a marshmallow on a pogo stick, it squats bad and doesn't hold lines and pushes wide with factory suspension settings. Preload is far to soft, so he recommended the sag settings for my bike and Im gonna go change it all this weekend.

[cowpoos]

the bike goes down about 30cm in the back, but takes a while to get back up.
sounds like you need to back off your rear rebound some...sounds like the rear is pumping down in corners....it should return to normal in about a second after a good push on the rear....and should settle instantly...as in not come up further and then settle back down...

[Pex Adams]

Uncle B, Fancy a ride?


Is that a loaded question or what:woohoo:

[Ralph]

the bike goes down about 30cm in the back, but takes a while to get back up.

Reckon it's your rebound being to soft for sure.
Whats happening is your bike's rear end is squating in the corner and therefore creating a nose up situation, this will cause your bike to drift wide on the exit of the corner. This is not the same as having to much front compression damping which causes the bike to drift wide on the entry of a corner. Should take about a second to return to normal. If you don't feel confident to attack it your self then maybe checkout some of those offers for sorting it out.
Well worth sorting it out on such an awsome bike! :done:

[Fatjim]

sounds like you need to back off your rear rebound some...sounds like the rear is pumping down in corners....it should return to normal in about a second after a good push on the rear....and should settle instantly...as in not come up further and then settle back down...

You and your rebound.

[slowpoke]

the bike goes down about 30cm in the back, but takes a while to get back up.

Please tell em that's a typo.....30 freakin' cm's!!!!
Unless Yamaha have brought out a new Paris/Dakar R1 to compete with the BMW HP2.........

[crazefox]

Mate i took the ltd edition one out from tss the other day i felt the same about it
My mate shane has the cbr1000rr 04/05 model no probs at all
sell it mate get a honda:rockon:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Reckon it's your rebound being to soft for sure.
Whats happening is your bike's rear end is squating in the corner and therefore creating a nose up situation, this will cause your bike to drift wide on the exit of the corner. This is not the same as having to much front compression damping which causes the bike to drift wide on the entry of a corner. Should take about a second to return to normal. If you don't feel confident to attack it your self then maybe checkout some of those offers for sorting it out.
Well worth sorting it out on such an awsome bike! :done:

Wrong mate. Cowpoos has it right. Too much rebound damping for starters.

[Shaun]

Please tell em that's a typo.....30 freakin' cm's!!!!
Unless Yamaha have brought out a new Paris/Dakar R1 to compete with the BMW HP2.........


Dude, your one std when New was just as bad, all the so called web sites that are supposed to be experts on the matter advice numbers similar to this

Opinions are like arse holes, every one has got one




















Me Too

[Darkman]

Mate i took the ltd edition one out from tss the other day i felt the same about it
My mate shane has the cbr1000rr 04/05 model no probs at all
sell it mate get a honda:rockon:


I'm beginning to wish I had bought a honda....Got a guy on the hill today with the same bike..bout 1800kms on the clock and had an oil leak..starting to get worried.Hopefully a good summer will change my mind!
I must add that Heimish from Darbi's changed a few settings on the back and it felt way better today. Thanks for that!

[Shaun]

I'm beginning to wish I had bought a honda....Got a guy on the hill today with the same bike..bout 1800kms on the clock and had an oil leak..starting to get worried.Hopefully a good summer will change my mind!
I must add that Heimish from Darbi's changed a few settings on the back and it felt way better today. Thanks for that!


Mate there is nothing wrong with your bike, It is just not set up for you.
People can wank on about this brand and that, Thay are all as good/bad as each other, what one man likes, another may not.

That is the trouble with the internet, some people no enough information to actually be Dangerous, unless you are capable of adjusting things correctly yourself and fully understand and are a little bit mechanical, this place can be to funny.

If you want a watch, go to a Jewler Get my point

[Ralph]

Wrong mate. Cowpoos has it right. Too much rebound damping for starters.

Your right I do have it wrong. :Oops: Looks like I should just keep my opinions to myself before I become an asshole :yes:

[Sparky Bills]

I'm beginning to wish I had bought a honda....Got a guy on the hill today with the same bike..bout 1800kms on the clock and had an oil leak..starting to get worried.Hopefully a good summer will change my mind!




Dude, Stop talking like that. Its a good bike. Nuff said!?
Would have been good to get you on a Honda, but you still have a very nice machine there. Just get it set up for your weight and style of riding and everything will be sweet.
Oh and dont believe everything you read on the net.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Your right I do have it wrong. :Oops: Looks like I should just keep my opinions to myself before I become an asshole :yes:

No way mate....nothing wrong with having your opinions.
The world would be a pretty boring place if no one had them!!

I combine the two quite often....I'm an opinionated asshole......hey look, I just multi tasked. Must tell my gf.

[Ralph]

No way mate....nothing wrong with having your opinions.
The world would be a pretty boring place if no one had them!!

I combine the two quite often....I'm an opinionated asshole......hey look, I just multi tasked. Must tell my gf.

Bloody hell man your right again, It would be a boring place!

I was meant to write compression not rebound, I'm sure Darkmans been but right by now and having a blast :scooter:

[Shaun]

Your right I do have it wrong. :Oops: Looks like I should just keep my opinions to myself before I become an asshole :yes:



Hope my comment has not been taken personally by any one on here, it was said meaning, do not believe every thing you read!

[Ralph]

Hope my comment has not been taken personally by any one on here, it was said meaning, do not believe every thing you read!

No not taken personally Shaun, Although it does read that way. :cool:

[Shaun]

No not taken personally Shaun, Although it does read that way. :cool:


Hence my last Post, things come out of my mouth and off the ends of my fingers at a key board that fast some times, it is very easy for myself to get into trouble

A part of being short with red hair and big airs:sunny:

[Ralph]

Think I did the same unintensionaly on that comment, Gotta get my posts up some how right ;)

[Shaun]

Think I did the same unintensionaly on that comment, Gotta get my posts up some how right ;)


:rockon: gotta do what ya gotta do

[robertydog]

Well done Shaun but i dont think it is you that is in trouble

[Shaun]

Well done Shaun but i dont think it is you that is in trouble

no one in trouble around here that I can see mate, just a mere missunderstanding:rockon: