Drinking & Riding??

[placidfemme]

On Friday night I was out on the piss on the Shore with some mates... And we went to 3 different bars/pubs in Browns Bay, which are all crap by the way... and fucking homophobic (reason for us being booted out of one bar)... anyway

At each of the bars, I saw a biker (a different one at each bar, but a biker non-the-less...)

Bar A: Aces... Biker obviously totally off his face, couldn't walk right... watched him stumble around, didn't look like he had any friends in the pub, after we'd been there for about 20 minutes, I head off to the toilet, come back, biker is gone... asked my mate "did you see where the biker went?" and she said, yeah he went home... guy couldn't even walk straight and rode home... hopefully he made it...

Bar B: The Venue Bar... Shit hole of a place... another biker, walking around carrying his helmet and beer, at one stage put his beer in his helmet while doing something... then started swearing and moaning when he obviously forgot the beer was in his helmet and somehow managed to spill the contents in his helmet... *no officer thats not beer you smell... its just my helmet"... after about an hour he leaves the bar and when we leave he's spewing up on the sidewalk... as we are walking to the Brownsy we see him ride past at like 2kph... at least he wasn't speeding :shutup:

Bar C: The Brownsy... fucking major shit hole of a bar... get harrassed by all the old drunks in the bar... decide to sit outside... get harrassed anyway... I get pissed off with the comments so I walk out to the car park, have a smoke :doobey: and watch another biker (red & white honda???) sit on his bike... attempt to put his helmet on and literally falls over the back of his bike, gets up swears and moans... attempts to climb back onto bike, digs around in pockets (obviously looking for his keys), can hear him swearing away from other end of carpark... gets off the bike, puts his helmet on his bike, it falls onto the ground and he just walks off (not back to the bar)...

Another biker in the bar, riding a grey bike (honda again I think) is sitting at table across from ours, not very stable on his feet, but not nearly as drunk as the previous 3 bikers we saw... when we leave, he leaves at the same time, walks at a nana's pace to his bike.. hopes on it, and hoons off...

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I'm not a big drinker myself... I get quite happy on 3 pints, and usually stop at that point... but I've never drunk and then got on my bike, which is my own personal choice...

Whats your limit? Surely if you plan to get hard out on the piss you wouldn't take your bike right?

I'm just surprised at how drunk the first 3 bikers were, I didn't recognise them or thier bikes, so not even sure if they are KBer's...

[Fishy]

Thats pretty bad alright!, seems as though it was a bit of a trend for Honda riders?... Perhaps they felt like they had to be drunk to make the bike a little more interesting?

[SARGE]

Whats your limit? Surely if you plan to get hard out on the piss you wouldn't take your bike right?


while i enjoy a few brain grenades now and then.. i wont operate ANY machine ( 'cept the puter..) when i have had more than 3 beers ( im a big fella so i can get away with more than one ..)

darwinism at its finest ..



Thats pretty bad alright!, seems as though it was a bit of a trend for Honda riders?... Perhaps they felt like they had to be drunk to make the bike a little more interesting?


Beer Goggles man .. they make ANYTHING look rideable..

[placidfemme]

Thats pretty bad alright!, seems as though it was a bit of a trend for Honda riders?... Perhaps they felt like they had to be drunk to make the bike a little more interesting?

lol possibly... when I first spotted the bikers in each bar I thought "Sweet... maybe he's a KBer" as I had my KB shirt on (yay!), they all checked us out (wouldn't you if 4 lesbians walked into your local?)... but no luck... which is why I'm assuming they weren't KBers

[McJim]

I never drink for about 6-12 hours (depends how much I drank - leave a long time after a big session) before I ride a bike or drive a car - it's got fuck all to do with legislation and everything to do with not killing myself and others.

I'm too sensible - too boring - but I can still moan about it coz I'm still alive.

Stopped being able to drink my age in pints at 18....and that was 18 years ago!

[Paul in NZ]

On Friday night I was out on the piss on the Shore with some mates... And we went to 3 different bars/pubs in Browns Bay, which are all crap by the way... and fucking homophobic (reason for us being booted out of one bar)... anyway...

You found an Auckland Bar that Homophobic????

Well they will be broke in record time I reckon....

Paul N

admits to enjoying a one beer buzz while riding every now and then but no more than that ever (these days - in the 70's it was official govt policy to drink drive)

[placidfemme]

Yeah... I was just wondering because, theres a lot of "Drink Drivers" on our streets... we've all seen them at one point, some of us have even been affected by them...

But I've never really heard of Drink Riding, and up until Friday I hadn't seen anyone stupid enough to try it... One drink I can understand... Two... yeah ok... Three... well that would depend on the person right? (Like me being so small... it affects me quicker than a 6ft man), more than 3... well its free choice isn't it...

In situations like the above it makes me wanna smack them over the head and take thier keys away, but of-course that wouldn't work, and I suppose at the end of the day its none of my business... I just wanted to know how far some of us KBer's pushed it...

[placidfemme]

You found an Auckland Bar that Homophobic????

Well they will be broke in record time I reckon....

Paul N

admits to enjoying a one beer buzz while riding every now and then but no more than that ever (these days - in the 70's it was official govt policy to drink drive)

lol have you been to Browns Bay? Bunch of ponsy types who actually arn't even that poncy... but I suppose alcohol can make you feel special... and the above mentioned pubs... (other than the brownsy) are the local's for the labourer types, and you can generally find the same people in there mon-fri after work and sat-sun from opening hours to closing...

My approach is a "in your face... fuck you" type approach...

"oh look here are the lickers"
My response: tongue flicking action followed by a hand gesture... I can push it all I like... after all... whats the worst that can happen? Nothing that I'm afraid of... thats for sure...

Funny part is they all think they're so smart... but nothing is new... we've heard it all before...

[onearmedbandit]

One beer limit for me.

[MSTRS]

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My approach is a "in your face... fuck you" type approach...

"oh look here are the lickers"
My response: tongue flicking action followed by a hand gesture... I can push it all I like... after all... whats the worst that can happen? Nothing that I'm afraid of... thats for sure...

Funny part is they all think they're so smart... but nothing is new... we've heard it all before...

They are only pissy cos they aint gonna get any...

[Paul in NZ]

My approach is a "in your face... fuck you" type approach...
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It's a long standing policy of mine not to annoy people in their local bar. Patrons of those types of bars tend to be a bit odd so why bother? They don't like me, I don't like them, they don't turn up at my place and I don't turn up at theirs, when I do, I'm respectful of their traditions.

I know you have a right to live life as you see fit but so do they I suppose. One things for sure, neither of you stand much chance of converting the other to change teams...

[Dooly]

Seems crazy to get pissed and ride to me.

For the last 2 years I've been unable to drink alcohol, so its not an issue for me.
Dammit.

[Beemer]

I find that after even one drink I feel a bit more relaxed than usual so I wouldn't be keen to ride the bike. Put the helmet on and you've got less air circulating and that makes a difference too. I'm lucky that my husband doesn't drink because whenever we go out, I've got my own personal sober driver!

I wouldn't want to risk riding after drinking because even when you are perfectly sober you can be taken out by another motorist, so why put your life even more at risk by dulling your senses with drink?

Must confess, one group I know are a bit keen on the drinking and riding scene and it doesn't impress me one little bit.

[Sniper]

If I am riding. I will not touch alcohol. Just a personal thing. If someone drives me, I can enjoy a few, but Im not a fan of being drunk. Done it enough to realise that I do more stupid things drunk than not.

[judecatmad]

I'll have a couple of drinks if I'm driving the car but I won't drink anything alcoholic if I'm on the bike.

I rode hungover a couple of weeks ago for the first time ever and that was an experience I won't ever repeat - very dodgy! :sick: :eek5:

I know I'm still in the learning stages, but I really feel that you need to be so much more alert on a bike than in a car that anything in your system which interferes with your alertness (drugs, drink, medication etc) should make you think twice about taking the bike.

[The_Dover]

I do my best wheelies when I'm drunk and stoned.

But I rarely play tourist trophy when I'm straight.

[BigTex]

Isn't it considered "risky" riding in the first place? Last thing I would need is something to fuck with my cordination.

One if I'm riding. Usaully give it the hour to wear off too. Back home if we had a party and we got way to pissed, we'd just pass out where we were and then head home in the morning or when it wore off.

If I have no responsibility driving myself home... bring on the drinks! :drinknsin

[stunz]

Thats pretty bad alright!, seems as though it was a bit of a trend for Honda riders?... Perhaps they felt like they had to be drunk to make the bike a little more interesting?I can see the ad now: ( HONDA MODEL HERE ) - If ya aint legless, ya not riding a Honda!

[Motu]

(these days - in the 70's it was official govt policy to drink drive)

Of course! I rode every weekend drunk,it's just how life was lived then.I don't know if I've ever crashed when ridding pissed,maybe I've forgotten...Apart from ridding after a handle at the pub with a mild buzz/fog on,last time I rode seriously pissed was about 5 years ago on my XS1,I rode home from a party and really pushed the bike hard,thought I was ridding really well and enjoyed myself.A bit of a wake up call and I don't think I'll ever do it again.....but I've often said that on a sunday morning! But I don't drink in bars,with my gear on,and ride a bike home.

[Fishy]

If im out on a fairly quick ride and stop somewhere for refreshments I may have a beer but only one.

If driving the car, I will have up to 3 or 4, thats my limit.

[placidfemme]

It's a long standing policy of mine not to annoy people in their local bar. Patrons of those types of bars tend to be a bit odd so why bother? They don't like me, I don't like them, they don't turn up at my place and I don't turn up at theirs, when I do, I'm respectful of their traditions.

I know you have a right to live life as you see fit but so do they I suppose. One things for sure, neither of you stand much chance of converting the other to change teams...

I agree... but I'm not going to put on a wig with long hair a skirt to make them fuckwits feel better about themselves...

In the case I outlined above... we walked into the bar, before we even made it to the counter to order our drinks, comments were flying, and not just to each other in hushed tones, they were loud and directed at us, got our drinks and turned around and had four guys standing behind us that were sitting at a table when we walked in, two gave off the impressions that they were going to block our path while they threw insults at us... we ignored that... pushed past them and went to sit outside, thinking that would be better, out of sight out of mind right?

Get outside and fore-mentioned four assholes follow us outside, we sit at our table, start to enjoy our drinks and four assholes then decide to sit at our table, making it very obvious they didn't feel we were welcome in thier bar... we ignore them... they start being abusive and butt into our conversation... we ignore them... one guy gets pissed off at being ignored and deliberatly knocks Sam's drink off the table... Sam being as she is "Oh its ok... I'll get another one"... guy comments... "why don't you fucking dykes just leave"... By this point I've well gone and lost my temper, I get up and make Sam sit where I was sitting (in the middle), I sit next to the asshole, while our mate heads back to the bar for the next round and to get Sam a new drink... said asshole keeps making comments, and then deliberatly rams his elbow into my ribs... I take off my "lady hat" and tell him where to stick it in a very inpolite fashion...

At this point the bouncer walks past and mumbles something to the four assholes... they get up and move to another table. Other "straight" mates come and join us at our table... things are good for about 30 minutes... I head into the bar for the next round (and have abuse thrown at me from other punters in the bar... ignore them... get the drinks...) come out and those four assholes are back at our table, one is giving Sam heaps of shit, Sam looks all butch but is a big teddy at heart... I push my way inbetween them and get this asshole away from my g/f. Which makes him more angry... we continue to try ignoring them... said asshole abusing Sam doesn't appreciate being ignored... elbows me again. I turn around and tell him where to stick it again, he stands up and gets all agro... the bouncer returns but stands to the side and does nothing this time... the asshole is now shouting abuse, everyone is looking, he's making a scene, I've now lost my temper, my mates are loosing theirs...

At this point I leave to have a smoke, because I know when I'm about to loose it fully... and having been on the piss for about 5 hours at this stage, I have no fear. (This is when I see the biker fall off his bike).

By the time I get back to where my mates are... all our drinks (along with the smashed glasses) are on the floor, Sam's standing behind the bouncer, looking around all confused, my mate is being held back by her g/f while shes trying to rip the head off the asshole who kept elbowing me... the bouncer... just standing there watching... I push the said asshole away from my mate (because I know she'll hurt him...) and I'm standing in the middle of them, just looking at her, ignoring the asshole behind me... At this point the cowards, now being confronted by us decide to shut the fuck up... and then... yup you guessed it.... the bouncer asks us to leave for causing trouble...

Edit: I'm all for the "When in Rome do as the Romans do". But when you start harrassing my partner don't think for a fucking second I won't stand up for her or myself.

[Paul in NZ]

Of course! I rode every weekend drunk,it's just how life was lived then.I don't know if I've ever crashed when ridding pissed,maybe I've forgotten...Apart from ridding after a handle at the pub with a mild buzz/fog on,last time I rode seriously pissed was about 5 years ago on my XS1,I rode home from a party and really pushed the bike hard,thought I was ridding really well and enjoyed myself.A bit of a wake up call and I don't think I'll ever do it again.....but I've often said that on a sunday morning! But I don't drink in bars,with my gear on,and ride a bike home.

Worse that happened to me was fogetting the Atlas was still in gear when I let go the clutch while putting down my foot stopping in the garage... Ooops... Of course, being an old Norton the old bad thing that happened was the embarassment of having to get my flatmate lift it off me...

Like everything, we went way to far with the old drinking back then. Stupid really...

[Paul in NZ]

I agree... but I'm not going to put on a wig with long hair a skirt to make them fuckwits feel better about themselves...

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Well on behalf of yob's everywhere I appologise... BUT.....

Believe it or not, it's not 'cos you are gay, it's because you are different and some people don't like it or at least thought they would beat you in a fight so away they go. Personally, I just don't go to places like that because I don't like people like that and I especially don't like the places that cater to them. Lifes too damn short to be bothered with em...

You could always make a complaint to the licensing authority / OSH that the owners didn't do enough to ensure your safety?

Paul N

[placidfemme]

Well on behalf of yob's everywhere I appologise... BUT.....

Believe it or not, it's not 'cos you are gay, it's because you are different and some people don't like it or at least thought they would beat you in a fight so away they go. Personally, I just don't go to places like that because I don't like people like that and I especially don't like the places that cater to them. Lifes too damn short to be bothered with em...

You could always make a complaint to the licensing authority / OSH that the owners didn't do enough to ensure your safety?

Paul N

Eh I know what you mean... And I also know what you mean by not going to those places... and until you've been there you don't know it is "one of those places". The last time I went to the Brownsy (about 4 years ago) I had a blast... I've black-listed so many straight bars/clubs, not so much because of the punters (after all they are drunk... and cowards), but mostly because of the reaction or lack there of from the staff... And now The Brownsy is one of those places... My mates live in Browns Bay, and they go there often... so its not like they've never seen lesbians in there before...

But personally I will be avoiding that place... As for making a complaint... in my opinion, seeing as I won't be going there again nor recommending it to anyone (unless your homophobic... the brownsy is just the place for your narrowmindness and insecurity... you'll fit right in).

Anywho... :sunny:

[The Pastor]

10.5 Is my limit. On a tuesday.

[jrandom]

Dat shit be wack, man, and that's why I usually drink at Galbraiths. Sometimes, you see, I just feel the need to smoke cock in the men's room, and it's so invalidating to be judged because of it, y'know?

Also, they have good beer, and it's close to the office.

How did the populace pick y'all as gay, anyway? Were you, like, group-snogging? Or are you constructed of particularly gaydar-reflecting materials?

I've never figured out why guys are bothered by it. It's not like there ain't enough women to go around. Anyway, I mean, there's only two types of gay chick, right? The ones who were fiddled with at age four and can't stand the sight of penises, and the frighteningly sporty ones who can kick my arse at arm-wrestling.

And, you know... whichever way you look at it, from the perspective of the average male, alla dat shit be someone else's bag. Celebrate our differences, I say.

Celebrate our differences.

[placidfemme]

How did the populace pick y'all as gay, anyway? Were you, like, group-snogging? Or are you constructed of particularly gaydar-reflecting materials?

I knew walking in there with a huge gay flag would be a dead give away... And I don't suppose my mate on the megaphone screaming "the dykes are coming.... the dykes are coming" helped much... I personally didn't think it would be a dead giveaway... straight people are only slightly smarter than we thought...:shutup:

[jrandom]

I've black-listed so many straight bars/clubs...

Forget this bar and club nonsense. Join us at Galbraiths for the next civilised, multi-faceted, all sexual orientations welcome so long as any canine or bovine partners are tied to the railing outside, KB session. In fact, it's well past due. I should probably trot out my personal superpower of herding cats and organise one.

Probably.

[placidfemme]

Forget this bar and club nonsense. Join us at Galbraiths for the next civilised, multi-faceted, all sexual orientations welcome so long as any canine or bovine partners are tied to the railing outside, KB session. In fact, it's well past due. I should probably trot out my personal superpower of herding cats and organise one.

Probably.

lol... I've never even heard of that place... sounds like a plumbing company...

[idb]

I've never seen a real, live homo whatsit.

[McJim]

Well I can't possibly be a homophobe....I ride a Honda.....

[placidfemme]

I've never seen a real, live homo whatsit.

lol so you've never been to Auckland?

[idb]

lol so you've never been to Auckland?

Oh.....you mean everyone up there....?
I'm so embarrassed!!!!

[jrandom]

lol... I've never even heard of that place... sounds like a plumbing company...

I dunno, yoof of today, eh? :no:

Corner of Mt Eden Rd and Symonds Street (http://www.alehouse.co.nz/). Micro-brewery that only sells on site. The building used to be a library. Nice big sheltered smoking table out the back where the social pariahs can congregate and kibitz. Cigar and pipe smokers will generally find company. When it's not ridiculously jam-packed, it's the best place in Auckland to sit and work on a good beer-fuelled mellow.

Bars and clubs and whatnot, they totally harsh my mellows.

[placidfemme]

I dunno, yoof of today, eh? :no:

Corner of Mt Eden Rd and Symonds Street (http://www.alehouse.co.nz/). Micro-brewery that only sells on site. The building used to be a library. Nice big sheltered smoking table out the back where the social pariahs can congregate and kibitz. Cigar and pipe smokers will generally find company. When it's not ridiculously jam-packed, it's the best place in Auckland to sit and work on a good beer-fuelled mellow.

Bars and clubs and whatnot, they totally harsh my mellows.

know where your talking about now... havn't been there... Sam works just up the road from there (no not K Rd lol)

[jrandom]

know where your talking about now... havn't been there... Sam works just up the road from there

Well, there you go. You hardly have an excuse not to visit.

I'll sort something out in due course.

[Goblin]

Whats your limit? Surely if you plan to get hard out on the piss you wouldn't take your bike right?

Back in the old days, I would ride or drive as pissed as a chook! If I was concious, I would get myself home. These days I'm too chicken to loose my licence so limit myself to 1 or 3 drinks.
Last time I rode really pissed I had all intentions of staying with my so called "boyfriend" until another woman turned up & started cuddling with him. I got severely pissed then rode home on my HONDA! When I got home I had forgotten that the driveway paddock had cows in it & I was supposed to use the neighbors paddock. I turned around and went up the slippery grass then a right angle turn onto the steep gravel part where the cows had loosened all the gravel. I nearly overshot the drive into the cattle yards but managed to stop...holding onto the front brake while skidding backwards down the hill. Got to the bottom & gave it shit & hacked it, motocross styles all the way up the driveway. Almost hit my car at the top & nearly dropped it when I hopped off. But I got home in one piece!
I wouldn't do it again though.:innocent:

[inlinefour]

Thats pretty bad alright!, seems as though it was a bit of a trend for Honda riders?... Perhaps they felt like they had to be drunk to make the bike a little more interesting?

It might be to counter the risk of falling off a gixxer also, or more ikely just because its AKL. PF, yea I'd probably look at ya walking in, I'm on a diet but can still look at the menu eh :innocent: Last time I got on the gas I was st nadroj's place. Sunk a bottle of Jim Beam with L & P. I'm OK as long as I do not mix my drinks, otherwise it gets really messy. Not good though these drunk riders, hope they took no one out. Not too worried if they got home though as they are likely to just do it again...:shit:

[SARGE]

I agree... but I'm not going to put on a wig with long hair a skirt to make them fuckwits feel better about themselves...

In the case I outlined above... we walked into the bar, before we even made it to the counter to order our drinks, comments were flyin

**SNIP**

ole who kept elbowing me... the bouncer... just standing there watching... I push the said asshole away from my mate (because I know she'll hurt him...) and I'm standing in the middle of them, just looking at her, ignoring the asshole behind me... At this point the cowards, now being confronted by us decide to shut the fuck up... and then... yup you guessed it.... the bouncer asks us to leave for causing trouble...



i feel for ya PF ..


i have the same kinda harsh when i go to the Mosque....

[Deano]

Two pints and I feel the dutch courage coming on. Great for losing those inhibitions and getting the rear end sliding a little. Still below the legal limit too.

AND I RIDE A HONDA TOO. So eat my excrement FS etc !!

[jrandom]

Two pints and I feel the dutch courage coming on.

True dat.

The wheelie photo in my profile was taken on a Friday afternoon following a liquid lunch. Helped immensely.

[Fishy]

AND I RIDE A HONDA TOO. So eat my excrement FS etc !!

Mmmmmmmm nutty :sick:

[Deano]

Mmmmmmmm nutty :sick:

And corny too. But well extruded.

[McJim]

And corny too. But well extruded.

Yeah - what's that all about? You don't get to eat corn you merely borrow it - even if you eat the stuff out of a tin it's all back on the cob when it comes out the other end - weird innit?

[Deano]

Yeah - what's that all about? You don't get to eat corn you merely borrow it - even if you eat the stuff out of a tin it's all back on the cob when it comes out the other end - weird innit?

Sometimes you haven't even eaten any corn for days...and there it is.
One of life's little mysteries.

[McJim]

Sometimes you haven't even eaten any corn for days...and there it is.
One of life's little mysteries.

Yep - s'like them tomato skins when you puke. I haven't eaten tomatoes since I was 8 years old. I think some bastard follows me round when I'm pissed with a can of tomato skins and waits for me to chunder.

[nezorf]

if i have one drink i will prob wait 2 hours b4 driving. i am 5ft5 so i small and 2 drinks makes ,my eyes go funny lol. i not a big drinker any way, i dont see the point in getting pissed off ur face and cant remember what happened. i would never drive my bros scootor when i drink becouse its bad enought sober. i have stoped my m8 from driving home drunk i took his keys to his cbr250 and drove him and some other ppl to there homes. i would of loved to of drove back and taken his bike home but i havent got my licnce yet. taking his keys didnt go down good and i would hate to do it to a drunk stanger you all know the loud agressive ones. they should make a breath test ignition over the limit and your car or bike wont start.

[KATWYN]

Whats your limit? Surely if you plan to get hard out on the piss you wouldn't take your bike right?

...


Know what ya mean. Will not even get on my bike if I have had
a glass of wine.

Was at a party one night. This guy was really hammered stumbling etc (JD session) then later on a Harley starts up and the rider rides off......it was the guy :gob: .

Man if I had've known he was on a bike even though I did'nt know him, I would've nicked his keys off him until he sobered up (i.e., next afternoon!)

[placidfemme]

Know what ya mean. Will not even get on my bike if I have had
a glass of wine.

Was at a party one night. This guy was really hammered stumbling etc (JD session) then later on a Harley starts up and the rider rides off......it was the guy :gob: .

Man if I had've known he was on a bike even though I did'nt know him, I would've nicked his keys off him until he sobered up (i.e., next afternoon!)

lol I wouldn't take the keys away from a harley rider...

[DMNTD]

lol I wouldn't take the keys away from a harley rider...
Why not? Take it for a burn!! They're a bit of fun to ride :yes:

3 bourbons is my limit when riding during the day and 1 or 2 at night due to lack of good vision. Oh...I usually eat too

[KATWYN]

lol I wouldn't take the keys away from a harley rider...

Oh thats just my humanitarian ways lol...........Harley, Sportbike ....Scooter
makes no difference to me

They would prolly tell me to get f****d anyway. But at least I would have attempted to do the right thing!

[sunhuntin]

Whats your limit? Surely if you plan to get hard out on the piss you wouldn't take your bike right?
...

ive done it once....but had only had one or two...i generally live by a rule i put on myself....no drinking if im gonna ride the next day. generally, i ride daily, so no drinking for me at all. ive got more money for the tank and another day alive to show for it, lol.

[Mental Trousers]

Dunno why people hassle lesbians. I tend to like people who have the same interests as me!!

3 beers over a couple of stops is usually all I'll have. Just enough to take the edge off. The ride is much more enjoyable then.

[Lou Girardin]

I can't help wondering why you want to go to redneck bars like those.

[Edbear]

while i enjoy a few brain grenades now and then.. i wont operate ANY machine ( 'cept the puter..) when i have had more than 3 beers ( im a big fella so i can get away with more than one ..



Yeah, I got two computers, too...:yes: :innocent:

[mstriumph]

................. they all checked us out (wouldn't you if 4 lesbians walked into your local?)... ..............

dunno whether it's ok to comment, pf - and totally no disrespect intended .... but how would they know? i mean, i'm sure that you DO encounter prejudice because of your orientation but mebbe losta folks either wouldn't notice or [like most of us on here, i suspect] don't give a damn?

------- mebbe they were just looking at you because you were 4 nice-looking ladies??

[Street Gerbil]

1 beer is ok. Anything more than that and the bike stays at home. Personal choice.

[T.W.R]

Many years ago it was a common event for myself & the guys I rode with to get totally plastered and either one of two things block race where our flat was or tear off to god knows where just for the hell of it.

The block racing involved anything from solo against the clock runs to 6 bike anything goes laps around busy central city streets, we even had a rat cb200 honda twin stripped down like a bucket racer just for racing against the clock.

If we headed out of town it was usually full noise blitz's of the summit rd or akaroa etc

Everything happened from pushing cars with the bikes, bikes falling over at intersections because we were to tanked to hold them up, blowing clutches during stop light drag racing, having someone facing backwards on the pillion. One of my mates destroyed his bike within 2kms just from dropping it so often just because his was pilled up to the eyeballs, spit stops anywhere the circumstances dictated.

Looking back it was all rediculous shit we did, not just in the fact of the danger we put ourselves in but the total disrespect we had for others and the total stupidity of our actions, some of the things we shouldn't be here to tell them.

All I can say is been there done it, totally stupid doing it in the 1st place, glad I survived it & glad we didn't cause any harm or damage to anyone else in doing it. Wouldn't even attempt it now, bloody crazy for anyone to attempt to do it.

Any time now it's bike parked up and no travelling nowhere till the next day, thats why I don't venture into KB drinks evenings in town

[slowpoke]

It's a long standing policy of mine not to annoy people in their local bar. Patrons of those types of bars tend to be a bit odd so why bother? They don't like me, I don't like them, they don't turn up at my place and I don't turn up at theirs, when I do, I'm respectful of their traditions.

I know you have a right to live life as you see fit but so do they I suppose. One things for sure, neither of you stand much chance of converting the other to change teams...

I'm all for the "when in Rome do as the Romans do" type attitude over pissy lil' "traditions"....but there is definitely a limit. I mean are you going to go to Canada and start clubbing seals...are you going to go to Korea and order up dog meat for dinner...are you going to go to the American South and support the KKK? These may seem on a different scale but it's the same principle: turning a blind eye to blatant wrongdoing is nearly as bad as condoning it.

Placidfemme's lifestyle is hurting no one (and making at least two people happy) while these tosspots are hurting many people (it would have happened before) for no reason other than a fleeting feeling of power. In the words of Supernanny thats just "unasseptabul".

Treat people as you'd like to be treated....end of sermon.

[SuperDave]

One beer limit for me personally. In saying that, if the one beer decides to hit me noticably for some reason I will wait it out until I feel myself fit to ride.

[slowpoke]

lol I wouldn't take the keys away from a harley rider...

PHUKK NO....you might become contaminated!!

[Goblin]

...spit stops anywhere the circumstances dictated.

Lmao...like when I rode to a 1nitestand with a flat battery on my bike, got horribly pissed & tried to ride home hungover. Everytime I needed to spew I had to first find a hill to park on....then rip my lid off to :puke:

[mikey]

On Friday night I was out on the piss on the Shore with some mates... And we went to 3 different bars/pubs in Browns Bay, which are all crap by the way... and fucking homophobic, I'm not a big drinker myself.


so for starters, your gay.
second your drinking,
an less importantly you think 3 bikers rode home after having a few beers an your running around like chicken little screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling"

its no excuse but as long as you dont kill anyone/damage anything, (apart from your bumper when you drive into your gate to open it) its

a
nz culture
b
govt/legal limit is BS!
c
fun
d
less hassle.
e
good for having sex in if you stop on the way home.taxis arent.

anymore reasons needed to drive home when your not so sober?

[Ixion]

Lmao...like when I rode to a 1nitestand with a flat battery on my bike, got horribly pissed & tried to ride home hungover. Everytime I needed to spew I had to first find a hill to park on....then rip my lid off to :puke:

I am so pleased that in my days of youthful folly, full face helmets had not been invented, and bikes had magnetos, and were not reliant on batteries. But one of the most difficult cleaning jobs is removing spew that has been baked into the fins of an aircooled engine.

M'self, I blame the electric starter (makes a change from blaming Mr Biff. But he prolly is to blame anyway. Cos he's Welch y'know). Back in the day if you were sober enough to kickstart a big single (a taxing exercise even when sober) y'could reckon you were OK to ride. And if weren't like as not the kickstart lever broke your leg.

Two Speights in the first hour for me, one an hour after that. Works for me.

And, no, I don't know why the devolutionary element of society have to get their jollies from hassling anyone they think is different. Personally, if I have any problems at a watering hole or such like, I simply leave (and at times I've done so without paying, if I haven't finished a meal). And don't go back. Over the course of a year, I spend a fair bit of coin at such establishments. If one of them doesn't want their share, that's OK by me, there are plenty of others who do.

[KLOWN]

So........ not too many people drink and ride/drive but who has a smoke and rides?

[SARGE]

So........ not too many people drink and ride/drive but who has a smoke and rides?

i can stuff a Marlboro into the vent of my HJC and puff away on the morning commute .. that count?

[Ixion]

I smoke prolifically when I ride. In fact occasionally motorists have difficulty seeing me for smoke. Wonderful it is

[LilSel]

dunno whether it's ok to comment, pf - and totally no disrespect intended .... but how would they know? i mean, i'm sure that you DO encounter prejudice because of your orientation but mebbe losta folks either wouldn't notice or [like most of us on here, i suspect] don't give a damn?

------- mebbe they were just looking at you because you were 4 nice-looking ladies??

The short hair n dress sense usually give it away...

[oldrider]

Long term hard learned lesson, piss and motorbikes are "not" a good mix, keep them separate and enjoy both.

What do you do that makes other people identify you as a lesbian or any other kind of ian?
Do all you Aucklanders have to walk around with a freaking great "label" on to tell everyone what sort of ....?...(whatever) you are?
Is it important to now all that?
If I sit down and have a chat, beer, etc with you, do I have to declare that I am a heterosexual male Caucasian catholic of Welsh Scots Isle of Man decent and a fourth generation Pakeha New Zealander, before I can chat to you about "motorbikes"? Our only common interest!
Auckland has sure changed since I lived there then!
I don't give a stuff who or what your preferences are, I just want to talk about bikes to you. No labels needed. :whocares: John.

[jrandom]

I don't give a stuff who or what your preferences are...

*I* do.

I need faces to put in my voyeuristic girl-on-girl fantasies, dude. Don't deny me one of life's small pleasures.

[placidfemme]

dunno whether it's ok to comment, pf - and totally no disrespect intended .... but how would they know? i mean, i'm sure that you DO encounter prejudice because of your orientation but mebbe losta folks either wouldn't notice or [like most of us on here, i suspect] don't give a damn?

------- mebbe they were just looking at you because you were 4 nice-looking ladies??

No offence taken... it is pretty obvious... me and my mates (and Sam) are not your type of lesbians that look like every other chick out there, we all have short spiked hair, pretty much all wearing "butch-ish to boyish" clothes... my mates are very staunch, Sam is often confused as a boy... then a gay boy... and then omg... its a lesbian... the 3 stages of looking at Sam for the first time... its hard to explain... but believe me... you'd know if you saw us...

[SARGE]

Sam is often confused as a boy... then a gay boy... and then omg... its a lesbian... the 3 stages of looking at Sam for the first time... its hard to explain... but believe me... you'd know if you saw us...

hey .. sounds like Fish's kinda party...just chuck a dalmation into the mix and we wouldnt see him for days ...

[Lias]

No offence taken... it is pretty obvious... me and my mates (and Sam) are not your type of lesbians that look like every other chick out there, we all have short spiked hair, pretty much all wearing "butch-ish to boyish" clothes... my mates are very staunch, Sam is often confused as a boy... then a gay boy... and then omg... its a lesbian... the 3 stages of looking at Sam for the first time... its hard to explain... but believe me... you'd know if you saw us...

We promise not to judge you on being lesbians as long as you give us all free access to that website your going to run from home :innocent:

Surprised in this day and age you got that much flack in a bar, particularly in dorkland which is the multicultural PC capital of the world I thought. I'm pretty redneck and even I dont mind lesbians snoggin in public as long as they are beautiful people. Scary old middle aged lesbians going at it are like fat people in lycra, its just not kosher on the eyes!

[SARGE]

We promise not to judge you on being lesbians as long as you give us all free access to that website your going to run from home :innocent:

Surprised in this day and age you got that much flack in a bar, particularly in dorkland which is the multicultural PC capital of the world I thought. I'm pretty redneck and even I dont mind lesbians snoggin in public as long as they are beautiful people. Scary old middle aged lesbians going at it are like fat people in lycra, its just not kosher on the eyes!

gosh Lias.. i didnt realize you were so shallow ... :dodge: (p/t)

seriously PF.. fuck the hillbillies.. if it makes you happy just b happy .. very few people ever actually find it in their lifetimes ..

i wear an American flag patch on my coat and i really could give 2 shits if someone dont like the US ... their loss cuz im a good bastard and they could do worse than having me as a friend..

be true

[placidfemme]

lol thanks Sarge and Lias... but yeah you'd be surprised at how many are negative towards us... not just in pubs... we walk down queen st and still have people shouting things out to us... and those homie types following us up the road making comments... its all part and parcel of being who we are... 9 times out of 10, its easy to just brush it off and ignore it... but sometimes its a lot harder... and for me... especially when they pick on the people i care about (ie Sam)

But like you said Sarge... they could do worse than having us as friends :)

[SARGE]

lol thanks Sarge and Lias... but yeah you'd be surprised at how many are negative towards us... not just in pubs... we walk down queen st and still have people shouting things out to us... and those homie types following us up the road making comments... its all part and parcel of being who we are... 9 times out of 10, its easy to just brush it off and ignore it... but sometimes its a lot harder... and for me... especially when they pick on the people i care about (ie Sam)

But like you said Sarge... they could do worse than having us as friends :)

gawd help the poor bastard that gives Caroline grief.. even though she can usually take care of herself ( 6' tall redhead amazon..)

those little homie motherfuckers scatter like dogs when you administer the compulsory headbutt to the biggest one ..

with the hippies .. a stern look usualy does the trick....the rednecks take a little longer to catch on

[Lias]

the rednecks take a little longer to catch on
Maw.. fetch me my shooting iron, that carpetbagger done insulted us.

[terbang]

Jeez when I was a young lad the only adventure sport we had was getting pissed and stoned and riding our bikes really fast. Some of my mates and their chicks were killed in hideous accidents..! Thankfully attitudes are changing and I don't bother with it now. I guess thats why I am older..

[outlawtorn]

I personally think that drinking and driving is just fucking stupid, no matter how many you have. People who think and say they can handle their booze, get pissed and then climb onto their bikes or into their cars when pissed, deserved to be fucked and burned in my eyes. I've lost enough friends through drunk drivers, its fucking stupid and in this day and age there is no exscuse for that kind of stupidity!

[placidfemme]

so to sum it up, KBer's on average (those that responded to this thread anyway) are a responsible bunch. Which is good to see :)

I know a few KBers will have a drink or two when riding... which is thier own choice... and for the most part, within thier own limits. I think thats great!

kb rocks!

[The_Dover]

Errm, did you notice how many KB'ers kept quiet though?

Probably all passed out pissed.

[placidfemme]

Errm, did you notice how many KB'ers kept quiet though?

Probably all passed out pissed.


lol yeah over 4000 of them... :dodge:

[SARGE]

I personally think that drinking and driving is just fucking stupid, no matter how many you have. People who think and say they can handle their booze, get pissed and then climb onto their bikes or into their cars when pissed, deserved to be fucked and burned in my eyes. I've lost enough friends through drunk drivers, its fucking stupid and in this day and age there is no exscuse for that kind of stupidity!

jesus man ... dont hold back... how do you REALLy feel? :done:

[outlawtorn]

jesus man ... dont hold back... how do you REALLy feel? :done:

how much time do you have on your hands? :wacko:

[McJim]

lol yeah over 4000 of them... :dodge:

That's the funny thing innit - there are over 5000 people members of this website but probably only a couple of hundred at most that post on it.

It's the same few every time.

Could be we're actually quite a wee small community after all.

That'll be why we're all on first name terms with each other already.

[placidfemme]

lol yeah... a lot of people on here might have signed up and forgotten about it...

[Goblin]

I am so pleased that in my days of youthful folly, full face helmets had not been invented, and bikes had magnetos, and were not reliant on batteries. But one of the most difficult cleaning jobs is removing spew that has been baked into the fins of an aircooled engine.

M'self, I blame the electric starter (makes a change from blaming Mr Biff. But he prolly is to blame anyway. Cos he's Welch y'know). Back in the day if you were sober enough to kickstart a big single (a taxing exercise even when sober) y'could reckon you were OK to ride. And if weren't like as not the kickstart lever broke your leg.
Nah....blame the Welch, it's all their fault!

All you old farts would probably be able remember the days(or maybe not) when it was quite the norm to drink & drive/ride. As a child I remember my dad driving us home from The Mount in his on golden holden stationwagon. He was so blind drunk we actually passed a car on the left...in the gravel...towing the dinghy on the trailer!:gob: It was perfectly normal to have a crate of beer in the back of the car. Now I reckon it's a true miracle that we all survive or childhood. :Offtopic: :whocares: One Guy Fawkes he took us down to the workshop to make a bomb to brighten up the evening. He filled a car tyre tube with acetylene & oxygen and put a fuse in it. My sister & I had the most important job of all, to hold it steady in the back of the Holden while the old man drove us home! When it was time to set the bomb off, we all got a safe distance away while he and the neighbor, Frank, went & lit the fuse :shit: As they ran away from the bomb it went off & blew the pair of them about 10 feet in the air! We all felt the shock wave & our ears were ringing for the rest of the night. We were in Western Heights & the blast was from Owhata(eastside)....& yes the Fire Brigade turned up. Oh the bad old days! Now we HAVE to break the cycle! NO MORE SILLY BUGGERS!

[terbang]

As an old Fart I do remember when the attitudes were different towards drink Drive/Ride. Thank god its over.. I remember getting lost on way home on a road that I rode everyday! Was just too pissed to navigate and when I stopped and asked my (rather still) girlfriend on the back if she knew where we were, she just blew bubbles in her vomit filled helmet and passed out again. She bloody near drowned that night aged 16..! Old farmer from up the road stopped his old Valiant to help. He was also as pissed as a handcart and offered us a ride home. He did a bit of a rant and rave about me having a young lass out so late and that I had got her drunk. No mention of the fact that I could hardly stand and had been riding my motorbike.
Now the crime is drink driving and young girls can get as pissed as they like.. Safer that way I guess..!

[KATWYN]

when I stopped and asked my (rather still) girlfriend on the back if she knew where we were, she just blew bubbles in her vomit filled helmet .!


Ewww I thought I was starting to read into a pretty nasty horror story right then.....good she was still alive

[placidfemme]

I think drink driving/riding in the old days was more accepted... of course... it was the norm... the govt. didn't have the research or knowledge of the damage such things cause... also... you must consider that if you go back... even 15 years, the population was less, the crime was less... life was different... so yeah...

[jrandom]

accepted... course... norm... cause... also... back... less... different... yeah...

You just used a decade's ellipsis allocation in one post.

Stop it.

[placidfemme]

You just used a decade's ellipsis allocation in one post.

Stop it.

you've confused me lol

huh?

[jrandom]

you've confused me lol

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=decade&x=0&y=0

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ellipsis&x=0&y=0

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=allocation&x=0&y=0

[placidfemme]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=decade&x=0&y=0

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ellipsis&x=0&y=0

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=allocation&x=0&y=0


ahhh... yes... well...

haha

[jrandom]

ahhh... yes... well...

Stop it. You're being linguistically pathological. It's not healthy. It's not natural.

[placidfemme]

Stop it. You're being linguistically pathological. It's not healthy. It's not natural.

you could say there are a lot of things about me that arn't "natural"

something i'm proud of by the way :) we can't all the the same...

*uses ... as my signature style of writting*

[jrandom]

you could say there are a lot of things about me that arn't "natural"...

I could, but I won't, because you have that subject very well covered already. Which is all good, of course, because it's endlessly fascinating, as you know.

Come to think of it, I might start a thread about the vicissitudes of life as a penis-toting shagger of giggling straight chicks.

I've been starting to feel a little uncertain about it all, and I figure that if I start getting real loud on the subject, I might get some validation. And then I'll be able to go home and keep it up, safe in the knowledge that I can't back out of my carefully-constructed public persona.

[placidfemme]

Come to think of it, I might start a thread about the vicissitudes of life as a penis-toting shagger of giggling straight chicks.

So you'd like to start a thread on your "sudden change" of life to a chick shagging male... As opposed to... a male shagging male?

[jrandom]

So you'd like to start a thread on your "sudden change" of life to a chick shagging male... As opposed to... a male shagging male?

Wwwwwwwwhhooooooosh.

You're... charming. I can't wait to meet you in person.

[Skyryder]

Witha the wife on the back I'm tee total but otherwise I'll have a pint for social occsions on a ride. Don't get two paranoid about this. With food may have another one, or may just have a coke or somit else to go after. To much liquid equals too many stops.

I have often wondered if a full bladder is the cause of some accidents due to lack of concentration.

Skyryder

[Lou Girardin]

We promise not to judge you on being lesbians as long as you give us all free access to that website your going to run from home :innocent:



Why do you want to watch chicks who'd rather pull their pubes out with vicegrips than shag you?
I'd prefer to watch Bi chicks and live in hope.

[Lias]

Why do you want to watch chicks who'd rather pull their pubes out with vicegrips than shag you?
I'd prefer to watch Bi chicks and live in hope.

Cos I'm just that goddamn good.

I met a woman through Wolf a few weeks ago, whos in a lesbian realtionship.. And Wolf has since told me this chick thinks I'm a bit of all right and would have bonked me if I wasnt otherwise attached.

So apart from boosting my ego beyond all resonable boundaries, its convinced me that there is hope in watching lesbian porn.

[slowpoke]

its no excuse but as long as you dont kill anyone/damage anything, (apart from your bumper when you drive into your gate to open it) its

a
nz culture
b
govt/legal limit is BS!
c
fun
d
less hassle.
e
good for having sex in if you stop on the way home.taxis arent.

anymore reasons needed to drive home when your not so sober?

Jaysus.....where to start?

I had the soap box sorted, notes and bible in hand and I was all ready to climb up and start praying for a lightening bolt to save the ambo's the trouble of cleaning up the inevitable mess that seems destined in your future.

Then I realised that no one else had contradicted/complemented/commented on your post, and I asked myself why. I figure it's 'cos they don't identify with it. You claim drink driving is NZ culture but the lack of response to this post and the general feeling from other posts seems to contradict that.

I've just come home after 15 years in OZ, and I know there are a few die hards (die early, more like) over there but I thought we were a bit smarter than this. It's dissappointing to find we are not.

Oh yeah, apart from the sex/taxi thing....you got me beat on that one.

[slowpoke]

I could, but I won't, because you have that subject very well covered already. Which is all good, of course, because it's endlessly fascinating, as you know.

Come to think of it, I might start a thread about the vicissitudes of life as a penis-toting shagger of giggling straight chicks.

I've been starting to feel a little uncertain about it all, and I figure that if I start getting real loud on the subject, I might get some validation. And then I'll be able to go home and keep it up, safe in the knowledge that I can't back out of my carefully-constructed public persona.

'Tis a small world you come from, where men are MEN and women are WOMEN and God help anyone who doesn't fit the box you are trying to jam them into.

Do you hide YOUR sexuality? If not, why then should PF have to hide hers?

[kro]

One beer limit for me.

Same, It's hard enough compensating for poor drivers when sober.

[Edbear]

safe in the knowledge that I can't back out of my carefully-constructed public persona.



Oh, I don't know, a certain Opposition leader may disagree with you there...:innocent:

[Ixion]

Wwwwwwwwhhooooooosh.

You're... charming. I can't wait to meet you in person.

No. You can NOT have her as a pet. You already have one , that's enough.

[KATWYN]

I think drink driving/riding in the old days was more accepted... of course... it was the norm... the govt. didn't have the research or knowledge of the damage such things cause... also... you must consider that if you go back... even 15 years, the population was less, the crime was less... life was different... so yeah...

When I was 16 (37 now, so 21 years ago) I was drunk driving at 11.00pm at night, I had no drivers
licence, and was not wearing a seat belt. I got pulled over and breatherlised cos the cop saw me ride up on a curb as I went around a corner .... I only got a $25.00 ticket- and that was for no seatbelt! Which even then was not a lot to have to pay so yea things have changed.

[Goblin]

I think drink driving/riding in the old days was more accepted... of course... it was the norm... the govt. didn't have the research or knowledge of the damage such things cause....
And cars weren't made of tinfoil, so when ya did drive off the road you just got back on & carried on.

[jrandom]

Do you hide YOUR sexuality?

Of course.

Sex is dirty. I like to just pretend that it doesn't happen.


Jaysus.....where to start?

mikey is a wise man, and you are unworthy to strap up his riding boots.

[mikey]

quote:slowpoke
Jaysus.....where to start?
at the tops normally a good place!
I had the soap box sorted, notes and bible in hand and I was all ready to climb up and start praying for a lightening bolt to save the ambo's the trouble of cleaning up the inevitable mess that seems destined in your future.
im peter pan, tinks lookin out for me. not even a divine lightening bolt or three will get me
Then I realised that no one else had contradicted/complemented/commented on your post, and I asked myself why. I figure it's 'cos they don't identify with it. You claim drink driving is NZ culture but the lack of response to this post and the general feeling from other posts seems to contradict that.
theres a lot of straight edge people on here. those who arent are less vocal as to not be seen as inferior
I've just come home after 15 years in OZ, and I know there are a few die hards (die early, more like) over there but I thought we were a bit smarter than this. It's dissappointing to find we are not.
you can only test for alcohol, nothing else, i could be frittered from a weeks worth of crank and pass a booze test. its not just the alcohol....... it affects some people worse than others to. like tiny little lesbians.....id put myself behind a hweel after a dozen rather than have her behind the wheel after half a dozen.
Oh yeah, apart from the sex/taxi thing....you got me beat on that one.
yep. bedford vans the go, then you dont even have to drive home, casue you can crash in the back to

[Ixion]

So, d'y have many fairies fancy you?

Prefer Pibgorn myself. But whatever rocks y'boat

[slowpoke]

yep. bedford vans the go, then you dont even have to drive home, casue you can crash in the back to

How's about a bedford taxi....you could make some serious dosh on a Sat'dy night...

[Patch]

I personally think that drinking and driving is just fucking stupid, no matter how many you have. People who think and say they can handle their booze, get pissed and then climb onto their bikes or into their cars when pissed, deserved to be fucked and burned in my eyes. I've lost enough friends through drunk drivers, its fucking stupid and in this day and age there is no exscuse for that kind of stupidity!

Nothing wrong with this attitude!!

I lost a mate who I went to school with, then later met him in the RNZAF to a complete fuckwit who thought he was king while pissed.


When you loose someone close, your whole attitude changes. Personal choice for everybody, just don't make it your last.

[Richard Mc F]

Fuck me I don't deserve to be alive then, back then........way back.......18 with warmed over ( pipes/cams) Z1A ( legendary handling and brakes)...deserted rural roads,would drink and smoke like there was no tommorow, but now........................... coupla steinies and after that I ain't keen, having said though I will be washing that burger down with an ale, gotta go coromandel calls...... vroom vroom

[padre]

Your gettin old mate. Try a liver detox diet. Then you should handle yerself on the Steinys. A wee dram never held me back when I'm on a mission.

[Wolf]

Years ago, when I was only a learner rider I had a few drinks after my varsity course and they hit me harder than I expected (joys of drinking on an empty stomach) and I felt I had no recourse but to ride home (no money for a taxi and not prepared to leave my beloved bike parked up at the Uni overnight.

I rode like I expected the road ahead of me to suddenly stand bolt upright in front of me, watched every side road and driveway like a hawk and was super paranoid and super careful.

Decided, since my mates would all be there, I'd head for the skating rink and spend some time with them to sober up a while. Rolled down Victoria Street, skating rink was to my right and my mates were outside, stopped near the centreline, waited til there was no traffic and did a U-turn and parked the bike.

One of my mates then charged up and relieved me of my keys as I was drunk. "How do you know I'm drunk?" I asked. "Because you can scarcely do a U-turn in two lanes," he said, "you just did it in one!" (Told ya I was a noob at the time.)

Never been so shit scared when I was riding - and I paid more attention than I usually did when riding... now I strive for that level of attentiveness (without the fear) whilst sober.

Rode once more rather tiddly (the drinks I had tasted quite innocuous but had quite a punch) and since then have been very cautious about what I'm drinking when I'm likely to be riding my bike - fuck the "legal limit", I'm more concerned with possessing the co-ordination and reflexes to survive on the road with the retarded cagers than any concerns about tickets or loss of licence. They could double the legal limit tomorrow and it would not make any change to my current drinking habits. I also like to relax when I'm riding and process the incoming data smoothly. I do not do that when I've been drinking and know I'm impaired: I get ultra paranoid and overly cautious and so do not enjoy the ride.

Lost a good college friend to a drunk driver, had too many friends kill themselves whilst driving drunk - I know what alcohol does to the senses and reaction time, I know the worst-case consequences so I have no desire to attempt to operate a vehicle when pissed. As I'm not rich enough to pay for both a taxi and a vehicle transporter to get both me and my bike home, I stay off the sauce when I'm out on my bike or even likely to want to go for a ride.

To me it's not a hassle - I enjoy the occasional drink (been years since I've been shitfaced to the point of spewing and horrendous bed-spins, don't particularly miss either) but I enjoy riding my bike more. So when it comes to a decision between drinking and riding, most the time riding wins.

PF, sorry to hear you had such a crap night due to the retards at the pub. I'm of the live and let live variety - don't even get grossed/freaked out at gay blokes pashing - but I suspect there was more than a bit of homophobia behind the actions of those wankers. From their reported behaviour, I'd say they probably would have singled out someone else that night - based on the merest hint of "difference" - and done the same. I've met people like that, spoiling to take someone on so they pick on anyone for the merest excuse - your obvious orientation in your case, but it could just as easily be the "wrong" sort of clothing. I figure that if I wandered into that pub I'd get aggro from the same wankers because they feel like it and I wouldn't suit their style.