Conspiracy Theory

[placidfemme]

I know this thread is going to spark some emotions with certain people on KB... And I was wondering if it would be worth even bringing this up, and I mean no dis-respect to anyone, and I apologise in advance if anyone is offended by this...

I've just come back from my smoke break with my co-workers, and one of them was talking about a Documentary that was on Sky (the History Channel I believe) last night... called "Loose Change"

Which is based on the events of 9/11.

9/11 was most definaltey a day that the whole world will never forget, it affected so many people worldwide...

However, there is a HUGE amount of "blurred' evidence, relating to this attack.

I personally am on the fence. Do I believe it was a terrorist attack or something else? I'm not fully convinced either way.

There have been numerous documentarys regarding this...

The most intriging (sp) one so far would be "Loose Change" which has two editions...

You can veiw the whole documentary here:

http://www.loosechange911.com/

That site includes the full movie thingy, evidence and facts and so forth...

They started off with Loose Change... they recieved feedback from the public, the victims and the victims families... from security agents and so forth, which resulted in better details, and some of the original film being incorrect... they revised this and made Loose Change 2nd Edition... again as before they have recieved further feedback, done more research and gained more professional help in certain areas... and are now in the process of making Loose Change 3rd Edition.

I guess I'm one of the many who are still searching for answers, there are too many details that are blurred, too many biased opinions, too many things that make no sense at all.

The government claims no Black Boxes were found from all 4 of the planes involved in 9/11. Although firefighters and security agents working at ground zero gave first hand accounts of escourting special agents around the sites searching for the boxes, they claim 3 out of the 4 boxes were infact found. They also claim that the passport of one of the terrorists was found after it "must have flown out of his pocket upon collision". Does it not seem strange to anyone that the black boxes made out of the most resiliant material known to man was completely destroyed... but a paper book survived? It doesn't make sense... And thats just one of the hundreds of things that don't match up... When you check the airlines archives and flight plans... two of the planes were not even scheduled to be in use on 9/11... and even then, the departure and actual takeoff times do not match the distance travelled and time of impact? How does that work? The passengers on the flight that crashed, who supposidly faught back? Cell phone records indicate some calls lasting up to 25 minutes... the Fed's claim most calls only last average of 4 minutes... one call that was recorded, the guy phoned his mother and introduced himself using his full name... how many of you phone your parents and say "mom? this is FirstName Lastname"... surely your mother knows your name, let alone your voice? In another phone call a flight attendant tells her ground manager there are 4 terrorists on the plane, and even states which rows they are sitting in... the Fed's claim there were 5 terrorists, and they claim they were all seated in the same row (opposing the attendants claims).

There are so many things wrong with this whole picture. None of what the Us government has released makes any sense... not to me anyway

What do you think, in all honesty... terror attack or something else?

[Sniper]

Thats a load of bull, sorry PF, it was terrorists.

[placidfemme]

Thats a load of bull, sorry PF, it was terrorists.

Sweet as... its your opinion :)

[Ozzie]

To be honest, I just don't know.

Many go on about how it could have been this or that, what government would do that to their own people? I find it difficult to accept, even for yanks.

Or is it that they are trying to make it out to be a bigger thing than it was? I mean more organised.

Why would they send a missle into the pentagon? What would that achieve? What is the motive? Were the towers getting too old, and they couldn't get resource concent to pull them down?

If it wasn't terrorists, why are so many trying to dodge blame and say they "told so and so, it was them that didn't react"?

Either way, it was a massive pointless loss of life, I'm shocked that this can be done by any person government, war, terrorist or not.

[SixPackBack]

Check out the 'apparent' impact between an airliner and the pentagon, seems highly unlikely in my opinion.
Other assertions that the US government used expolosives to bring down both towers defy logic.

[inlinefour]

At the end of the day I was not there and have no idea what so ever. If anyone thinks they know what happened and was not there, then I'd be wondering if they are delusional. I get told about conspiracy theories often at my place of work, I just listen. I also wonder how thin the line is between those fighting for freedom and those who are classed as a terorist. I hope its just not winning the war/fight that defines who is who...

[Ixion]

It was the Commies! They did it. They're still hiding under the bed !

Blame the Communists. Fear them. Respect them. The Evil Empire still lives.

It's all a conspiracy !

[LilSel]

Check out the 'apparent' impact between an airliner and the pentagon, seems highly unlikely in my opinion.


:yes: that one doesnt seem logical... who knows...

[MSTRS]

Conspiracy theory?? Of course it was a conspiracy. Where 2 or more people 'plan' something, they are conspiring...
Levity aside, do you really think that the US government (or any other government) is going to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth??
We are all mushrooms....

[Str8 Jacket]

mushrooms....

Yes, I blame the mushrooms.... Those things can be quite lethal!

Sorry for the hijack PF

[Indiana_Jones]

It's just people shit sturring, fuck America must of bombed Pearl habour and sank the Titanic.

-Indy

[Postie]

I've watched the conspiracy videos, heaps of them. If you go to Google.video.com and tap in 9/11, you will find a lot of videos and one in particular is some spastic showing how the government planned to fly the planes into the building and then set off planned explosions that were installed a few days prior to 9/11 and professionally demolished the buildings.
Its complete horse shit, the Americans would love to go to war with Iraq and this gave them the perfect excuse, but it is too risky to do something that stupid. If that ever came out as true, America would start destroying its self, the govt would have to be bought to trial for genocide, probably civil war wouldn't be far behind, tourism would flop as would exported goods cos no one would buy them. The US govt do have secrets, but even they wouldn't do something that barbaric.

[placidfemme]

I'm not saying the US govt did it... I'm saying they are covering something up. But what? Who knows...

[MSTRS]

I'm not saying the US govt did it... I'm saying they are covering something up. But what? Who knows...

'They' do...

[outlawtorn]

It was the one armed man!!!!!

Nah, I reckon it was a bit of both really, dunno how thats works but there you go....

[Steam]

You don't think the video of Osama talking with the hijackers of the airliners about his plans for the September 11 attacks , videoed some months before they made their attack, you don't think that is pretty conclusive?

[Matt Bleck]

Don't believe every thing you see or read, it's just not all true!

[placidfemme]

You don't think the video of Osama talking with the hijackers of the airliners about his plans for the September 11 attacks , videoed some months before they made their attack, you don't think that is pretty conclusive?

Um.... NO

Find a copy of that video and notice the "man" in the tape, is writting with his 'right" hand... FBI case notes clearly state Osama as being left handed... also in that tape Osama is wearing a gold ring... thats against his religion... Also compare a still of that tape... to previous photos of Osama... it isn't him... and finally America has the technology to mimic a voice and make it sound like whatever they like...

Look at that website link... check out the evidence page and see what I'm talking about...

Its a cover-up

[Biff]

Wotutterbullshit.

[mstriumph]

the french - it was the french!!


............ and they were probably wearing beige ... :angry:

[SARGE]

Loose Change is total and utter bullshit .. ive addressed (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html) this already in the 9/11 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=748630&postcount=224) thread .. i want to stab that twat with a spoon


HERE's (http://www.911myths.com/index.html) a great site if you want to look at the science and make up your own mind..

[placidfemme]

Loose Change is total and utter bullshit .. ive addressed (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html) this already in the 9/11 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=748630&postcount=224) thread .. i want to stab that twat with a spoon

Sorry I didn't read that thread...

*goes to read it now*

[bobsmith]

Blame The Commies!!!!

Blame The Brits!!!!

Blame The ... [insert Your Choice Of Government And/or Organisation Here]

[Patrick]

The US govt do have secrets, but even they wouldn't do something that barbaric.

Are you sure?

[riffer]

I have the DVD, if anyone in Welly wants a copy.

There's too many loose ends in the official story to make me believe it, and too much jumping to conclusions in Loose Change to make me totally believe.

However, there is a huge amount of evidence to suggest that the people in government in the USA have the means, the motive, and the opportunity to carry it out.

Beyond all reasonable doubt though? No.

Let's face it, you probably don't really want to know the truth even if you could - it's bound to be stranger than fiction.

[Patrick]

"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth..."

Its somewhere in between, me thinks...

[Scouse]

Placid what relevence are the Airplanes black boxes I'll tell you they are of no relevence as they are there to show what if any thing mechanical failed during an aircraft crash or if it was caused by Pilot error ie loss of controlled flight into terain looking at the Airplanes going into the twin towers it is patently obvious to everone exept for the most apalingly dumbest of Cunts that both these Airplanes were infact flying in absolute control and there was no mechanical failiure that I can think of that will cause two completely different aircraft to colide with two towers within a couple of hundred feet of each other so Im afraid your black boxes are a red herring there Girl

[Macktheknife]

Really interesting film, I'm not sure if there is a great deal of truth in there but it certainly raises some interesting questions.
As far as GWB goes.... I wouldn't trust him to use a toilet correctly.

[Skyryder]

Of course it's fucking true. Why else has the Government recalle all the Loose Change.

It's all a load of BOLLOCKS. America was founded by conspiritors. They conspired against the British and the result that this is now part of their culture,ambiance, call it what you will.

Have not read all of this but what I have Loose Change is just that......loose change to b e tossed in the coin jar.

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/pentagon.html

Lengthy and detailed critique of the film Loose Change

Skyryder

[Colapop]

Are you saying Fraser did it? I thought he lived in Christchurch?

[SPman]

Bushes cronies are up to their collective necks in so much shit, it wouldn't surprise me, but, frankly, I dont think they would have the nouse!
Why would he arrange it when he can get that fellow fascist, Bin Laden, to organise it and shift the blame, most conveniently.

[onearmedbandit]

It was the one armed man!!!!!

Nah, I reckon it was a bit of both really, dunno how thats works but there you go....


Are you saying Fraser did it? I thought he lived in Christchurch?

I had nothing to do with it, nothing at all damn it.

[SixPackBack]

The Pentagon vs 757 crash is suspect and the Americans know it, investigate it carefully.
We are lead to believe that over a hundred tonnes of airplane dissapeared in to that building.
I call Bullshit:no:

[Smokin]

There seems to be far too many loose ends and too many things just dont make sense.

I personally think there is some major covering up going on and I dont trust George W as far as I could kick him.

[thehovel]

What no-one has thought of is that the Yanks built a shit building the terrorists could have brought the lot down with two 200l drums of gas. Not nearly as spectacular but it would of worked Regards Richard

[Hitcher]

Assume for one moment that the Loose Change protagonists are right. What then happened to the three aircraft full of people that took off from Boston and other east coast airports?

[scumdog]

Thats a load of bull, sorry PF, it was terrorists.

I'm with him.

The problem with 'embelished' versions of an event like that is that over time less perceptive people see it as the 'true' version...and history is recreated to suit a different agenda... sound familiar???

[The Pastor]

It was asians, they cant drive and now they cant fly. They were aiming for melbourne airport but took the wrong turn at afganistan (hence why they think its terrorists.)

[willy_01]

Ive watched a few of the vid's the guy of infowars.com has a few good points but he is a pain to watch (gets waaay too excited). Im not sure aye seem mighty complex to be planned.
But I do believe the biggest conspiracy/falsehood is the western world judgment that Bush is a bumbling fool. The bush administration has a plan and im pretty sure they are working towards it very studiously. Who knows maybe Bush acts up on purpose in parliament so people did think he's and idiot, hence believe it would be impossible for the ‘clown’ to pull off such a convincing magic trick! Either way there is a lot of smoke and mirrors

[scumdog]

The terrorists controlled the planes form the grassy knoll, it's all a conspiracy I tells ya....

[WINJA]

Maybe It Was Fake Like The Moon Landing And It Never Really Happened , Maybe David Copperfield Did It Like The Time He Made The Statue Of Liberty Disapear

[SlashWylde]

Terrorists or no, the bottom line is a few thousand innocent people died for no reason.

What I find far more galling...

* Is that the American war in Iraq has now lasted longer than the American involvement in the second world war, with no tangible end in sight.

* The amount of money spent on the so called war on terror has cost more than what it would take to irradicate the collective debt of all the nations on the planet. And what for? How many lives has this saved compared to those who have perished in the last five years?

* The west needs to ask itself why there are terrorists in the first place. Sure some of them are genocidal nutters, but it's not all one sided. Western countries have perpetrated their own atrocities over the last century and have trained and funded the bin Ladens and Husseins of the world when it suited their purposes.

Fact of the matter is that humans are essentially a xenophobic species who would rather hate their neighbour than learn to love him, and this, coupled with the human hunger for wealth and consumerism is why we are domed as a species.

I'm no christian but JC was on to something back in his day. Pity so few are prepared to practice what they preach.

[jeremysprite]

It was The Company. They control everything.

(You know, Prison Break?)

[scumdog]

But it keeps the rag-head terrorists on their toes :yes:

[slowpoke]

Placid what relevence are the Airplanes black boxes I'll tell you they are of no relevence as they are there to show what if any thing mechanical failed during an aircraft crash or if it was caused by Pilot error ....

...so Im afraid your black boxes are a red herring there Girl

Nope, no red herring, the black boxes also report all voice/radio communications in the cockpit which could give crucial information.

Putting aside the emotion, and looking at the events objectively, some things just don't sit quite right. There may be perfectly adequate explanations but I haven't heard them as yet so I'm keeping an open mind. The argument "they just wouldn't do it" doesn't carry much weight as far as I'm concerned.

The Pentagon incident is particularly disturbing: no one can explain how the plane managed to just disappear into the Pentagon. There was no wreckage found, no engines, no wheels, no damage to the building from a tail that stands nearly ten metres tall. I don't need a documentary or a mockumentary or a political spin doctor spruiking off before the alarm bells start ringing.

[Balding Eagle]

Popular Mechanics has just put out a publication debunking all the conspiracies. I suggest that all who think it was done by any other than the terrorists should read it.

[Street Gerbil]

<sarcasm>Here is the most convincing evidence that 9/11 was a Bushco conspiracy (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=56836&mesg_id=56836). I mean, come on, how could one possibly dispute such irrefutable facts?</sarcasm>

[MOTOXXX]

i do believe that it was a terrorist attack. however, they wouldnt do it just out of the blue for no reason.

the amount of shit the US gave the middle east, it was bound to happen:jerry:

[Pixie]

A conspiracy theory Oliver Stone would be proud of, "Grampa vs.
Sexual Inadequacy"....

Bart: OK, it's not _painfully_ clear the adults are _definitely_
paving the way for an invasion by the saucer people.
Milhouse: You fool! Can't you see it's a massive government conspiracy?
Or have they gotten to you too?
[he and Bart start wrestling]
Lisa: Hey! Hey, hey, stop it! Stop it! Why are you guys jumping
to such ridiculous conclusions? Haven't you ever heard of
Occam's Razor? "The simplest explanation is probably the
correct one."
Bart: [condescending] So what's the simplest explanation?
Lisa: I don't know. Maybe they're all reverse vampires and they
have to get home before dark.
Everyone: Aah! Reverse vampires! Reverse vampires!
[Lisa sighs]

Bart: So finally, we're all in agreement about what's going on with
the adults. Milhouse?
Milhouse: [steps up to blackboard] Ahem. OK, here's what we've got: the
Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people --
Bart: Thank you.
Milhouse: -- under the supervision of the reverse vampires --
Lisa: [sighs]
Milhouse: -- are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish
plot to eliminate the meal of dinner. [sotto voce] We're
through the looking glass, here, people...
--

[Jantar]

The Pentagon vs 757 crash is suspect and the Americans know it, investigate it carefully.
We are lead to believe that over a hundred tonnes of airplane dissapeared in to that building.
I call Bullshit:no:
Of course not. The aircraft hit the ground just short of the pentagon as shown in this photograph. http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.news.navy.mil/view%5Fsingle.asp%3Fid=2445

Interesting also that the hole in the pentagon wall was just slightly larger than a 757 fuselage diameter, and that some of the debris had the distinctive Boeing Green primer,m and that the engine parts found (and photographed) matched the 757's that supposedly hit the Pentagon.

Have a look at http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm for more information.

[Jantar]

Nope, no red herring, the black boxes also report all voice/radio communications in the cockpit which could give crucial information.

Not quite true. The Black Boxes (actually orange) hold the flight data. What you are referring to are the Cockpit Voice Recorders (CVR). It is very unlikely that the CVRs would survive a fire, and in only a few cases have the CVRs been recovered sufficiently intact to be of any use. The DC10 crash in Antarctica is one case where some data was recovered, but even today there is still arguments over what was actually said.

Inj the case of one of these aircraft the Hijackers broadcast to ATC when they thought that they were only addressing the passengers, so a voice record does exist even without the VCR.

[scumdog]

Of course not. The aircraft hit the ground just short of the pentagon as shown in this photograph. http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.news.navy.mil/view%5Fsingle.asp%3Fid=2445

Interesting also that the hole in the pentagon wall was just slightly larger than a 757 fuselage diameter, and that some of the debris had the distinctive Boeing Green primer,m and that the engine parts found (and photographed) matched the 757's that supposedly hit the Pentagon.

Have a look at http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm for more information.

Aw c'mon you fool, you're ruining it all for the conspiracy people, take away that and what do they have????

[Marmoot]

Blame The Commies!!!!

Blame The Brits!!!!

Blame The ... [insert Your Choice Of Government And/or Organisation Here]


How come the US government have not seen this? It is outrageous.

Clearly, there were 2 planes being driven unreasonably and crashed.

Must be those damn asian drivers!

[slowpoke]

Not quite true. The Black Boxes (actually orange) hold the flight data. What you are referring to are the Cockpit Voice Recorders (CVR). It is very unlikely that the CVRs would survive a fire, and in only a few cases have the CVRs been recovered sufficiently intact to be of any use. The DC10 crash in Antarctica is one case where some data was recovered, but even today there is still arguments over what was actually said.

Inj the case of one of these aircraft the Hijackers broadcast to ATC when they thought that they were only addressing the passengers, so a voice record does exist even without the VCR.

Oooops, thanks Jantar. Nothing to do with the thread but in this day and age of must-be-smaller-must-be- better-must be more expensive (paying more for less) I wonder why they separate the two. You'd think any event requiring investigation would find both of these invaluable.

OH MY GOD! Another conspiracy......it's all connected.....we cannot escape....the MATRIX is everywhere!!!!

Fuggin' hell I gotta stop reading this stuff............

[SixPackBack]

Of course not. The aircraft hit the ground just short of the pentagon as shown in this photograph. http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.news.navy.mil/view%5Fsingle.asp%3Fid=2445

Interesting also that the hole in the pentagon wall was just slightly larger than a 757 fuselage diameter, and that some of the debris had the distinctive Boeing Green primer,m and that the engine parts found (and photographed) matched the 757's that supposedly hit the Pentagon.

Have a look at http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm for more information.

I am not a person who believes in conspiracy theories, however the alarming lack of wreckage, bodies and damage generaly demands questions be asked.

Granted engine and fuselage parts appear, but we are talking about a loaded airliner with hundreds of people and weighing over a hundred tonnes and the scant remains shown in the official photo's come well short on mass....just where did it go?

[Lou Girardin]

How could anyone think that Bush and the Neo-cons have the intelligence to plan and carry out a conspiracy? Bush has trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time.
Don't forget that these were the geniuses that were going to catch Bin Laden and bring peace and democracy to Iraq.
Merkins love conspiracys becaue they have trouble with logical thinking.
For example, they think Survivor is entertainment.

[98tls]

i think the fact that they havent caught bin laden strange myself....am sure if they really wanted to they would have ages ago....

[cowboyz]

Reading through this thread I find it difficult to seperate peoples opinions from sarcasm. Just to be sure the follow is not sarcasm

I believe

1. There is no way at all anything can hit the 78th story of a building and collaspe the entire building to rumble. If the 60+ floors fell over or in on themselves I could believe that. Explosives brought the twin towers (and WTC7 for that matter which wasn't actually hit by anything) down. Whoever did it couldn't have just blown the building up. The needed a plane to hit them because the outcry would have been 10000 times worse if someone was seen to just walk into the building and blow it up. A plane crashing into it is much more uncontrollable.

2. With all the video survellence around the pentagon the US government should release the tapes of the plane hitting the pentagon. It would clear up so many questions. I don't believe it was a plane at all. There is just not enough evidence to support that theroy.

I had a couple of other points but it is time to get the kids away and head off to do a hard days work.

[Matt Bleck]

I am not a person who believes in conspiracy theories, however the alarming lack of wreckage, bodies and damage generaly demands questions be asked.

Granted engine and fuselage parts appear, but we are talking about a loaded airliner with hundreds of people and weighing over a hundred tonnes and the scant remains shown in the official photo's come well short on mass....just where did it go?



Check out the links in the pages, all but one body was identifid (sp), the pictures taken where minutes after the event, and there are quite a few eyewitness accounts of the plane flying into the penatgon

[nagaraya]

You guys watch v for vendetta? this is starting to shape out like it ('cept no superhero guy)

[SARGE]

i think the fact that they havent caught bin laden strange myself....am sure if they really wanted to they would have ages ago....

again .. i have already addressed (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=647392&postcount=7) this

If we were fighting the Second World War again and Hitler was isolated in a remote part of Poland and only occasionally appeared on suspicious audio tapes instead of standing openly before masses of cheering supporters, he would be considered irrelevant. A leader in hiding isn’t a leader anymore than a king in exile is a meaningful king.

If Osama has any influence in the Jihad movement his example of cowardly hiding has stripped him of all credibility. Preaching the glory of death while clinging to a timid existence is like a general calling for an infantry charge from a pay phone. A leader must exhibit bravery to lead . Viewing a stumbling shepard-like image isolated from the world by running away from the battle he craves, only shows followers a different message than the threats and battle courage he speaks of. wanna show me how bad you really are Osama?.. grab a rifle and try and free your mujahideen from Camp X-Ray.

If Osama is not dead , he might as well be. Any pretentious nutjob can take on the habitat of a hermit and denounce whatever he disagrees with. The state Osama is in is probably far worse than being at Gitmo where he would get far more coverage and sympathy.

he is isolated and ineffective.. he is not leading .. he is stirring shit and cheering from the sidelines, much like one of those loud asshole parents you see at your kids saturday morning soccer game ..

no, we have not caught Bin Laden.. at this point, its better that we dont

[Indiana_Jones]

1. There is no way at all anything can hit the 78th story of a building and collaspe the entire building to rumble. If the 60+ floors fell over or in on themselves I could believe that. Explosives brought the twin towers (and WTC7 for that matter which wasn't actually hit by anything) down. Whoever did it couldn't have just blown the building up. The needed a plane to hit them because the outcry would have been 10000 times worse if someone was seen to just walk into the building and blow it up. A plane crashing into it is much more uncontrollable.

So a plane hitting the middle of a building, and then the framework holding the top-half melting and giving-way, thus allowing the top part to fall onto the bottom half making it collapse isn't that believable?

-Indy

[SARGE]

So a plane hitting the middle of a building, and then the framework holding the top-half melting and giving-way, thus allowing the top part to fall onto the bottom half making it collapse isn't that believable?

-Indy

havnt you fucked off yet?????

[Indiana_Jones]

If Osama has any influence in the Jihad movement his example of cowardly hiding has stripped him of all credibility. Preaching the glory of death while clinging to a timid existence is like a general calling for an infantry charge from a pay phone.

Too true.


<img src="http://www.nmm.ac.uk/upload/img/NAN0214.jpg">

ENGLAND EXPECTS...

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

havnt you fucked off yet?????

Last minute change of plans, meeting the ship up later.

-Indy

[Drunken Monkey]

Assume for one moment that the Loose Change protagonists are right. What then happened to the three aircraft full of people that took off from Boston and other east coast airports?

Damn you! Give occam his razor back!

[SARGE]

Last minute change of plans, meeting the ship up later.

-Indy



Love, exciting and new
Come Aboard. We're expecting you.
Love, life's sweetest reward.
Let it flow, it floats back to you.

Love Boat soon will be making another run
The Love Boat promises something for everyone
Set a course for adventure,
Your mind on a new romance.

Love won't hurt anymore
It's an open smile on a friendly shore.
Yes LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It's LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (hey-ah!)

Love Boat soon will be making another run
The Love Boat promises something for everyone
Set a course for adventure,
Your mind on a new romance.

Love won't hurt anymore
It's an open smile on a friendly shore.
It's LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It's LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It's
LOOOOOOOOOOOVE!
It's the Love Boat-ah! It's the Love Boat-ah!

[Deano]

Too true.


<img src="http://www.nmm.ac.uk/upload/img/NAN0214.jpg">

ENGLAND EXPECTS...

-Indy

That dude has an extra large camel toe.:gob:

[TLDV8]

What ever happened it makes for some interesting reading.

Here is a witness account with pictures taken within a matter of minutes.


http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm

[nezorf]

I recon terrorists did it but listen to this, on monday night i was watching tv 1 about 9:30 10:00 and there was this thing on about this investment compay starting with C i cant remember the name.
G Bush and H Bush are both highly place advisers and the company is the 11th largest investing in the National security of America. eg in the milatary and so on. so it benifits from the spending on security.
on sep 11 they had a meeting in New York when the planes crashed in to the twin towers. G bush was not there at the time. also members of this investment company are rich middle east people. the Bin Ladden family are some of the souch people.
now why would middle eaast people invest in a company investing in US national secrity? any way G Bush is hunting Osama Bin Ladden mean while he is regulalry having meetings with Osama Bin Ladden's direct relatives and these relatives are getting richer off the US increse in national security and millitary force in the middle east. so they invested in a company for security in the US then attack the US and get rich.
also G Bush is directly benifiting from the spending as well as the terrorists. this company is also replacing middle easter figures with its key advisers it currently has 4 advisers in top jobs in the middle east. and G Bush knows all this and still the Bin Ladden family are In the top 5 key investors for this company.

now who thinks G Bush is skrewed up?

[Macktheknife]

i recon terrists did it but listen to this, on monday night i was watching tv 1 bout 9:30 10:00 and there was this thing on a bout this investment compay starting with c i cantremember the name. and G Bush and H Bush are both high place advisors and the company is the 11th largest investing in the National security of America. eg in the milatary and so on. so it benifits from the spending on secrity. on sep 11 they had a meeting in new york when the planes crashed in to the twin towers. G bush was not there thow. also members of this investment company are rich middle east people. the Bin Ladden family are some of the souch ppl. now why would middle eaast people invest in a company investing in US national secrity? any way G Bush is hunting Osama Bin Ladden and he is regualry having meetings with Osama Bin Ladden's direct relives and these realitives are getting richer off the US increse in secrity and millitary force in the middle east. so invest in a company for security then attack the US and get rich, also G Bush is directly benifiting from the spending as well as the terrists. this company is also replacing middle easter figures with its key advisers it currently has 4 advisers in top jobs in the middle east. and G Bush knows all this and still the Bin Ladden family are In the top 5 key investors for this company.

now who thinks G Bush is skrewed up?

Thank you so much for your contribution...
Perhaps next time you could write in english so that the rest of us may also share in the experience.

[nezorf]

Thank you so much for your contribution...
Perhaps next time you could write in english so that the rest of us may also share in the experience.

sorry my english skills are not great i did the best i could and will now edit it with a dictonary thank you

[placidfemme]

i recon terrists did it but listen to this, on monday night i was watching tv 1 bout 9:30 10:00 and there was this thing on a bout this investment compay starting with c i cantremember the name. and G Bush and H Bush are both high place advisors and the company is the 11th largest investing in the National security of America. eg in the milatary and so on. so it benifits from the spending on secrity. on sep 11 they had a meeting in new york when the planes crashed in to the twin towers. G bush was not there thow. also members of this investment company are rich middle east people. the Bin Ladden family are some of the souch ppl. now why would middle eaast people invest in a company investing in US national secrity? any way G Bush is hunting Osama Bin Ladden and he is regualry having meetings with Osama Bin Ladden's direct relives and these realitives are getting richer off the US increse in secrity and millitary force in the middle east. so invest in a company for security then attack the US and get rich, also G Bush is directly benifiting from the spending as well as the terrists. this company is also replacing middle easter figures with its key advisers it currently has 4 advisers in top jobs in the middle east. and G Bush knows all this and still the Bin Ladden family are In the top 5 key investors for this company.

now who thinks G Bush is skrewed up?

Something like that is mentioned in the "Loose Change" website, however they do not mention shareholders (or highup people) being from the middle east or part of bin Ladens family... they do mention that the Bush brothers have part in the company, and also that Bush's brother has shares or whatnot in the security company contracted to protect the WTC...

[TLDV8]

Thank you so much for your contribution...
Perhaps next time you could write in english so that the rest of us may also share in the experience.


Nezorf is talking about Fahrenheit 9/11...... Interesting viewing but taken with a pinch of salt like most things... (imho)


http://www.fahrenheit911.com/

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I elected to waste some of my life.... If you take note of the various folk who post in the non bike related threads (or bashing threads) then search back through their previous posts,you find near all make little contribution to motorcyle based threads be that general info or helping others.I guess it is due to not really knowing much about the subject or they are here to disrupt......... Hmmm, do i smell a Conspiracy. :laugh:

[Skyryder]

I believe

1. There is no way at all anything can hit the 78th story of a building and collaspe the entire building to rumble. If the 60+ floors fell over or in on themselves I could believe that. Explosives brought the twin towers (and WTC7 for that matter which wasn't actually hit by anything) down. Whoever did it couldn't have just blown the building up. The needed a plane to hit them because the outcry would have been 10000 times worse if someone was seen to just walk into the building and blow it up. A plane crashing into it is much more uncontrollable.

2. With all the video survellence around the pentagon the US government should release the tapes of the plane hitting the pentagon. It would clear up so many questions. I don't believe it was a plane at all. There is just not enough evidence to support that theroy.

I had a couple of other points but it is time to get the kids away and head off to do a hard days work.

Yep that's it, a 'flying pig.' hit the Pentagon. 9/11's just one big 'porky.'

:beer: :drinkup:

[Jantar]

Last edited by nezorf : Today at 12:05. Reason: errors
Yes, the whole claim is one big error.

[nezorf]

i am putting that information on here so you guys can decide what you think about it and to see if any one else watched it. i am just leeting you guys know what i saw and i could well be another lconspiracy theory

[SlashWylde]

Another dark milestone: more americans have now died in Iraq than on September 11 2001. Iraq didn't attack America on that day, and the misguided policy there has now taken more American lives than Al Qaeda. :argh:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060912/cm_huffpost/029234


here's another figure: 20,000. That's the approximate number of non-fatal military casualties from the war in Iraq. This represents many more people than were wounded on 9/11, and consists of far more serious injuries than in any previous war.

[cowboyz]

So a plane hitting the middle of a building, and then the framework holding the top-half melting and giving-way, thus allowing the top part to fall onto the bottom half making it collapse isn't that believable?

-Indy

no. if it was a 5 story building then sure. maybe it would happen. But not a multi million dollar 110 story building. Plus the way it fell. And time it took to fall. And even if you fired a missle into it and made very large bangs it wouldn't crumble like that. Just doesn't add up.

[Lou Girardin]

no, we have not caught Bin Laden.. at this point, its better that we dont


Of course it's better. How could they invade a sovereign country and grab their oil if they'd already dealt with Bin Laden. That would have been most of their excuses gone.
Isolated or not, he's still the iconic figure who's a focal point for anti-Americanism.

[Drunken Monkey]

... But not a multi million dollar 110 story building. Plus the way it fell. And time it took to fall. And even if you fired a missle into it and made very large bangs it wouldn't crumble like that. Just doesn't add up.

Actually, it does. Most engineers will be able to tell you how and why it fell like that. Remember, it didn't fall down in a perfect straight drop either - it just appears that way from the sheer scale of the thing (they were the tallest buildings, remember). The collapse is in line with most truss-style buildings - each floor bears the load of the floor immediately above - hence the straight sides.

Only old style buildings (like the empire state) must have more mass at the base, in the older design it is the bottom of the building that must bear the most weight. The higher you go, the smaller you must build. New buildings just aren't made like that any more.

Besides, if you've ever seen those documentaries on the Discovery channel about the blasting teams, you'll see there's no way in hell a team of demolition experts could wire up a building that large without anyone noticing something fishy going on.

[SixPackBack]

there's no way in hell a team of demolition experts could wire up a building that large without anyone noticing something fishy going on.

Agreed the logistics render this conspiracy stone dead.

Planes crashed into the towers...they fell down. Details are superfluous.

[Indiana_Jones]

Another dark milestone: more americans have now died in Iraq than on September 11 2001. Iraq didn't attack America on that day, and the misguided policy there has now taken more American lives than Al Qaeda. :argh:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060912/cm_huffpost/029234


here's another figure: 20,000. That's the approximate number of non-fatal military casualties from the war in Iraq. This represents many more people than were wounded on 9/11, and consists of far more serious injuries than in any previous war.

You want a war,

60,000 casualties, 20,000 of them dead. That was on one day. Go world war one :mellow:

-Indy

[TLDV8]

You want a war,

60,000 casualties, 20,000 of them dead. That was on one day. Go world war one :mellow:

-Indy

Battle of the Somme.......... Things were a little different back then,King and Country with some modesty...... Gone but not Forgotten.

[Indiana_Jones]

Battle of the Somme.......... Things were a little different back then,King and Country with some modesty...... Gone but not Forgotten.

yep. 19th century generals with 20th century tech.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand....

-Indy

[Lou Girardin]

You want a war,

60,000 casualties, 20,000 of them dead. That was on one day. Go world war one :mellow:

-Indy

WW2 - 20,000,000 dead!
The Battle of Fish Marsh, Iran/Iraq war - 1.5,000,000 dead.
Vietnam - 50,000 dead Americans. An estimated 2,000,000 dead Vietnamese.

[jonbuoy]

Yeah it was all planned by the US government. Its been such a sucess too, what better way to spend billions of dollars that could have been used to buy tax cut votes or subsidise cheap oil or more oil exploration. And its been a real vote winner for Georger Bush and Tony Blair. Anyone who thinks this was all carefully orchestrated by the powers that be, need to lay off the wacky baccy.

[Kyle]

I agree that those planes brought the towers down, no additional explosives needed. I was awake and watching it live on tv when the second plane hit, the size of the impact explosion was as wide as the building, its a wonder those old buildings didnt crumble straight away from the side force. As for who done it, terrorists of course. regardless if it was angry middle easten militants, goverment officals or some New-World-Order company in the shadows. whoever it was they caused terror. So terrorists it is. And on the bright side NY gets to fix its badly oudated subway station system where the towers used to be.
Personally i perfer to keep an open mind, nothing is certain, anything is possable.
Ancient buddist teaching -question everything

[Hitcher]

Pictures versus words?

[El Dopa]

People will believe what they want to believe. Facts are just an inconvenience. This why pretty much all discussions on this website are a complete waste of both parties time, and one of the reasons I usually don't get involved. However....


Popular Mechanics has just put out a publication debunking all the conspiracies. I suggest that all who think it was done by any other than the terrorists should read it.

The link for those that would rather gibber in their own inanities than bother to fire up google.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html


i think the fact that they havent caught bin laden strange myself....am sure if they really wanted to they would have ages ago....

They didn't catch him because when all the bastard hard special forces had him bottled up in Afghanistan, they were all called off to go and prepare for a holidy in some middle eastern country.

The lack of 'finishing the job' in Afghanistan three years ago, and the half-arsed support for the forces that have now been sent in to clear up after giving the Taliban a more or less clear run to regroup for the last two years is a complete fucking disgrace.