Cyclists bite the dust

[Beemer]

Be interesting to know if they were actually riding two abreast or if, like many cyclists, they were taking up the whole lane with little or no regard for other road users.

On Stuff this morning:

Four of New Zealand's future cycling stars have been bowled off their bikes on a training ride.


Ryan Wills, 18, was the worst injured, and he is in Waikato Hospital with three broken vertebrae, a suspected broken foot and cuts and bruises on his face and body.

Wills, of Cambridge, rode for New Zealand in the junior world road cycling champs in Belgium this year and was in training for the national champs in Otago next month.

With him were fellow New Zealand cycling reps Brad Carter and Shem Rodger, along with another cyclist, James Morris.

The group was riding on Bailey Rd at Parawera, 13km southeast of Te Awamutu, when they were hit by a utility vehicle about 5.30pm on Thursday.

They were hit from behind and thought the driver may have been temporarily blinded by the setting sun, although police are investigating. Wills said he couldn't remember a thing about being hit.

"I just remember riding and then the next minute I was hopping in the (air ambulance) helicopter," he said. "Apparently I was knocked out for 15 minutes. I don't remember the helicopter ride . . . or coming here (to hospital)."

His mother, Maree, credited his helmet for saving his life. "You're bloody lucky," she told him in Waikato Hospital yesterday. "If you weren't wearing that you would be dead."

In an eerily similar incident, Australian road cyclist Amy Gillett was killed after a car ploughed into her and five teammates during a training ride in Germany last year.

Carter, of Te Awamutu, suffered superficial head and facial injuries and was expected to be discharged from hospital last night.

The cyclists were riding two abreast when they were hit. "Brad was in front on the outside and Ryan was following him. Ryan took the full force of the 100km/h impact," Carter's father, Murray, said.

The other two riders were uninjured.

Wills, Carter and Rodger all rode for New Zealand at the world junior road champs in Belgium this year.

[WINJA]

You Might Remember Me Saying Earlier This Year About Dangerous Waikato Cyclist Is An Accident Waiting To Happen , Fucken Arrogant Cunts

[marty]

the only arrogant cunts around here are winja and beemer.

brad and and ryan are good mates of my son, are really nice guys, and it pains me to hear they have been injured.

[McJim]

You Might Remember Me Saying Earlier This Year About Dangerous Waikato Cyclist Is An Accident Waiting To Happen , Fucken Arrogant Cunts

But not as arrogant as you and Beemer!

Glad to see you guys getting behind the nation's sportsmen.

[bell]

Two sides to any coin eh folks? Taking up the whole lane is asking for trouble from the huge amount of drivers that don't give cyclists enough space when passing....BUT....being assertive about giving yourself room on the road is what a cyclist needs to do. I'm sure lots of us do it on our motorcycles too. It's called riding defensively. You put as much distance between yourself and what is a danger to you. Riding two abreast is fuckwitted anyway, but car drivers who deliberately drive close to cyclists who are riding two (or more) abreast are driving dangerously. I believe there's a law regarding that in this country?

[The Pastor]

Cyclists are two slow for the road. Its alright on the open road where theres not much traffic, but round town they are a big pain.

[WINJA]

But not as arrogant as you and Beemer!

Glad to see you guys getting behind the nation's sportsmen.

I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT NZ SPORTS

[McJim]

I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT NZ SPORTS

Hahahahaha - made you bite!:rofl:

Just waiting for Beemer to charge back in so I can have a go about things like objectivity, subjectivity and where they fit in with the concept of journalistic integrity.

[u4ea]

.....well call me an arrogant c#@*t too..........those cyclists dont think about the traffic when theyre riding in groups........perhaps if they paid registration for their pushbikes then maybe we will accept that they can ride outside the white line and be part of the traffic flow I DONT THINK SO ........sorry to hear they got hurt but why not take it to the domes instead of expecting the masses to swerve around them!!!!!!!!!!!

[bell]

"Domes"??? Sorry, pls explain. You refer to cyclists in groups and drivers needing to swerve around them....where does that leave the cyclist who just wants to ride to work or the shops or to school and have cars/trucks/buses give them a bit of space so they don't end up like the guys in the story above?

[yungatart]

Cyclists are just as entitled to their share of road as any other road user. Give them some room, have some consideration and try and be a decent human being - I know it is hard for some to do that.
How many of us started out on pushbikes? How many of our kids ride/ rode pushies to school? It is no wonder, with some of the attitudes displayed on here, that parents now won't let their kids ride to school as they see it as too dangerous.
Cycling is great - environmentally friendly, keeps people fit and active, and a cheap way of tackling this country's rising obesity rates.

[bell]

Fair points made there yugatart. The attitudes displayed here are fairly indicative of "mainstream NZ" I think. I see a lot of incredibly unsafe, poor and unskilful driving on the roads in NZ. I see it from the points of view of a cyclist, car driver and motorcyclist. I cringe to think that one day I will get the phone call to hear that my wife has been hit by a cage while on her pushbike, but with the amount of dangerous and inconsiderate drivers out there the odds only increase every time you put your wheels on the road.

[u4ea]

my piont was to the cyclists who do this type of riding for sport....hell i am partial to pushbikes myself but theres no freakn way ill ride out in the road side (outside of the inner white line)or 3-4 abreast like these turkeys do!!!!!

[bell]

Yeah, agree totally. Turkeys is what they'll be after they've done a stint in the spinal unit and spend the rest of their days not forgiving the arsehole that hit them from behind because (a) they "didn't see them" or (b) "they were taking up the whole fuckin' road and I thought I'd show em who belongs on the road......aaahhhh, give up, it's a rant of mine. I think the washing machine has stopped. Domestic bliss on a Saturday morning.

[Sketchy_Racer]

cycling on the road. Great!!!


Cycling in a two or more abreast. You better be ready to be hit.


I still ride my pushbike. But there is no way in hell I go two abreast when traffic is coming.

Over piecock hill, I dont move for them now. Every weekend i ride over there when i can (not now cause its closed) and i meet a bunch of tossas on there bikes that just wont move out off the way even when giving a nice little toot. they motion for me to go around them. No thanks. I pay to use the road, you dont so fuken move.

. They had there chance. Move or get hit.

[Beemer]

Hahahahaha - made you bite!:rofl:

Just waiting for Beemer to charge back in so I can have a go about things like objectivity, subjectivity and where they fit in with the concept of journalistic integrity.

Not going to bite, just listed the facts and expressed a desire to know if said riders were riding two abreast and leaving room for other road users travelling at greater speeds than they were, or if they were possibly riding without giving due courtesy and consideration to others. At that time of the day, with the sun at the height it is, any cyclist should be very aware of sunstrike and ride accordingly.

Roll on next weekend, secondary school cycling championships on around the corner - and our neighbours are shifting out - bet they will be rapt at being held up!

[bell]

Aaahhhh, the old "I'm a paying road user so I'll assume that the cyclist doesn't deserve to be on the road so I'll hit/main/kill them rather than ride/drive around them" attitude rears its ugly head....

[onearmedbandit]

Aaahhhh, the old "I'm a paying road user so I'll assume that the cyclist doesn't deserve to be on the road so I'll hit/main/kill them rather than ride/drive around them" attitude rears its ugly head....

Never heard it taken quite that far before. Think before you post.

[Squeak the Rat]

Never heard it taken quite that far before. Think before you post.

Did you read the previous page?:

I pay to use the road, you dont so fuken move.

. They had there chance. Move or get hit.

[bell]

..... No thanks. I pay to use the road, you dont so fuken move.
. They had there chance. Move or get hit.

Each to their own onearmedbandit eh? If I reckon the attitude displayed above is a bit "extreme" and wish to put that forward why should I censor my thoughts? And yes, I did think before I posted.

[Hillbilly]

Over here cyclists have thier own lanes, even on the freeways.

[onearmedbandit]

Sorry, what I meant by my statement is that no normal sane intelligent person would think like that. Only those with a low IQ or the maturity of a fruit fly would think like that. And yes I did read the whole thread, posts like rg100's just cement my argument.

Bell, thanks for the link to that site, great to see.

[sunhuntin]

2 abreast on the open road is insane! as a high school student, i used to ride out in the open road to take the long way home...i always rode as far left as i could safely get. even then, it was dangerous, let alone having another cyclist or 3 around me.

its ok for a motorbike...we can generally go wide around them and stay in our lane. the one that pissed me off most was one i encoutered on the levin bridges...and they have a "safe cycle track" specially for them that goes underneath! damn insane....no room for anyone to go if someone does fuck up. cars have a different story....if the cyclist wont move, the car has to go wide around them, usually going half into the lane of oncoming traffic. what if that oncoming car, fails to see the car swerve and they hit each other. whos at fault there?

i have no problem with one or two, so long as they are in single file. its when they get in groups and refuse to go single file that they become a hazard. i think the roads should be wider to allow for that.

[Lou Girardin]

I've said it before, if you can't maintain the same speed as other traffic, you're a danger. In this case, to themselves.
Would the pro-psyclists also think it's OK for runners to run 2 or 3 abreast in the middle of the road?
They're road users too.

[marty]

um, in the country, they do. remember auckland is only a very small part of new zealand.

and winja, no sports guys give a fuck about you either, so i guess it's even

[Lias]

If you are on any vehicle that cannot do 100km an hour (be it bicycle, scooter, skateboard or whatever) you best be keeping your shit about 2 inches from the left hand side of the road.

It was good enough for me on the streetmagic back in the day, it should be good enough for those clowns too.

Two abreast pushbikes in a 100km zone is asking to be run over.

[WINJA]

um, in the country, they do. remember auckland is only a very small part of new zealand.

and winja, no sports guys give a fuck about you either, so i guess it's even

YOU ON THE RAG OR SOMETHING MARTINA

[sunhuntin]

I've said it before, if you can't maintain the same speed as other traffic, you're a danger. In this case, to themselves.
Would the pro-psyclists also think it's OK for runners to run 2 or 3 abreast in the middle of the road?
They're road users too.

lou...agreed. i got stuck in that goddam lake taupo run thing this year going to paeroa.
im just glad i was on a bike, otherwise id still be sitting there.
i tried to wait it out, but it was hot, myself and scuffy were both over heating, so i just split...right up the center lane, sometimes on the left if i had no choice, and the shoving my way back in, lol.
im guessing they do that the same day every year, so next year im leaving a day earlier...dont wanna get stuck in that again.
wasnt so much the runners, but their support vehicles...pulling out and then driving at the participants pace or whatever.

[McJim]

I used to get really pissed off about motorcyclists blocking the road at slow speeds when I was practicing race pace mountain descents on the bicycle.

An experienced racing cyclist descends twisties at a frightening speed - watch the tour de France in the Alps or the Pyrenees some time - it'll be an education.

[Lou Girardin]

I used to get really pissed off about motorcyclists blocking the road at slow speeds when I was practicing race pace mountain descents on the bicycle.



OK. You on your pushy, me on my bike. From the summit of the Crown Range Rd to the Cardrona. Loser buys until the winner falls over.

[bell]

cars have a different story....if the cyclist wont move, the car has to go wide around them, usually going half into the lane of oncoming traffic. what if that oncoming car, fails to see the car swerve and they hit each other. whos at fault there?

i have no problem with one or two, so long as they are in single file. its when they get in groups and refuse to go single file that they become a hazard. i think the roads should be wider to allow for that.

Sorry sunhuntin, but if I was Mr Plod I'd say that if you moved out to overtake the cyclist/group of cyclists and caused the accident you'd be at fault because you were not driving to the conditions at the time....and those conditions were that you had slower moving traffic in your lane - it doesn't actually matter if they are in the wrong.

I recall a bus driver down on the Te Anau-Milford Rd hit a cyclist a couple of years back AND HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW! Driving to the conditions? I think not. It's all situational. BTW did you see the guys that got hit on the TV news tonight? If you're one of the sick individuals that makes statements like "If they don't move over then they should expect to get hit" then I'd say it would be fir enough if your face looked like that when you next picked yourself up off the ground after having an off.....rant over. Dinner to cook.:done:

[sunhuntin]

didnt see em, wasnt watching.... i wouldnt deliberatly try and scare em/run them over. i spent long enough on a pushy to know better. trust me. what i was saying is cyclists should be restricted to single file on the open roads as they arent wide enough. excepting races, and then i think the affected roads should be closed to motorised traffic.

im fine with cyclists on the open road...so long as they try and respect those moving faster than them. same as a motorbike with a car...we know they can and have killed us, so we ride to protect ourselves. cyclists generally dont seem to. even riding two abreast, they often have a large gap between them, which means the outside bike is often in the middle of the lane. cars get stuck behind them, which can lead to road rage.

i would love to see high speed roads widened specifically to make room for cyclists...maybe even a slightly raised "footpath" type thing. would make things a bit safer. i loved riding my push bike on the open roads, but didnt do it often due to lack of space and my own low speeds.

[Jantar]

Sorry sunhuntin, but if I was Mr Plod I'd say that if you moved out to overtake the cyclist/group of cyclists and caused the accident you'd be at fault because you were not driving to the conditions at the time....and those conditions were that you had slower moving traffic in your lane - it doesn't actually matter if they are in the wrong.

Unfortunately, you are absolutely correct. With the situation you describe the vehicle overtaking would be charged with careless driving, even though the cyclists are at fault. A licenced driver can be fined and provide revenue to Auntie Helen, the cyclists are not such and easy revenue source.

See the previous thread on a similar matter, and note that only one of the police officers on this fourum answered my question about the cyclists receiving a ticket for obstruction, and even then, it was simply because he wished to meet his quota. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34601&highlight=cyclists




I take it then that if you witnessed this incident that you would ticket the motorist for dangerous driving. Would you also book the cyclists for riding more than two abreast and for obstructing traffic?
....

Yeah... quotas....

[R6_kid]

i have nothing against sports people training in public, fuck i used to wear spandex one piece suits for rowing, but when people dont obey the rules of the road/water then shit is bound to happen.

On one side it saddens me that these future prospects have been hurt/injured, and also the fact that it happened by pure accident (driver being temp. blinded?).

But on the otherside i have no time for people (generally cyclists) who see it as their right to take up a whole lane 2, 3 sometimes even 4 abreast. Had a couple of these types today which could have resulted in a head on accident for a motorcyclist, or many cyclist bowled down.

It happened when we went on the 250 ride out kaiaua when a car had to go wide half way through a corner because some cyclists werent riding single file.

I wish those injured a speedy recovery, but someone needs to get the message across to cyclists that the rule is single-file, i've known this since i got my first push bike.

[Finn]

the only arrogant cunts around here are winja and beemer.

brad and and ryan are good mates of my son, are really nice guys, and it pains me to hear they have been injured.

Marty, you don't call a lady a cunt. Appologise to her you cunt.

[bell]

Glad you don't ride a bicycle Dynamytus....there's some ugly attitudes towards cyclists out there!

[Beemer]

Marty, you don't call a lady a cunt. Appologise to her you cunt.

I've been called worse and by better people than Marty, but thanks anyway Finn! I could retaliate and call him a vittu...

[Lou Girardin]

Sorry sunhuntin, but if I was Mr Plod I'd say that if you moved out to overtake the cyclist/group of cyclists and caused the accident you'd be at fault because you were not driving to the conditions at the time....and those conditions were that you had slower moving traffic in your lane - it doesn't actually matter if they are in the wrong.


No such offence or legal requirement. If you overtake someone and they hit you, they're in the wrong.

[Sketchy_Racer]

I noticed that a few people only ever seem to take the bad stuff i say.

In my original post.

Cycling. Great. A good way to get out and get some fitness in. I ride my push bike every weekend.

And you know what. I ride in single file and stay outta the way. i never get any one tooting or hurling abuse at me.

I wonder why?

If the cyclist wont have the common curtosy to move out of the way and go ing to single file. Why the hell should I have to have the curtosy to move for them?

And you rant about the . "I pay for this road" thing.

Well damn straight.

Because they cyclist don't pay for the road, they surely must have to be the ones that have to move??? Why should i go around them on roads like piecock hill, where it would endanger me? other CARS cant stay on their side of the road, and now you want me to end up in their lane?

bell,

You must be one of those arrogant cyclists that ride in 4 abreast and expect everyone else to move for. Dont come bitchin when you get hit

[gijoe1313]

Well I was riding out Clevedon/Kaiaua way and I hit the mob of pushies , competition or something like that. Since I was on a blat, I was patient and just bided my time until I could overtake safely. But, yeah - there was one big mob who were riding like 5 abreast and in a gaggle of 20 or so. There were a couple of cagers ahead of me and they got insanely impatient and started to do risky overtaking manuevers ... not having visibility for 100m, just before a blind corner, etc. I was genuinely fearful that I would be witnessing a tragedy of tragic proportions (metal plowing into a crowd of pushies doesn't bear thinking about). :gob: :angry: suffice to say, my safety first attitude meant I overtook each mob safely and kept my speeds down in case of the unexpected.

Case in point #1 : Three cyclists riding abreast around a blind curve. Insane. They had the nerve to look at me as if I was in the wrong when I was puttering behind them before zooming past them when I could see 100m clear around the curve.

Case in point #2 : Idiot cyclists who were passing a water bottle between them and dropped it on the road. Was far back enough to avoid easily. But riding over a plastic round thing filled with water is an experiment I did not want to conduct.

Case in point #3 : Two cyclists stopped having a natter on a blind curve. Mental.

I'm sure they thought with so many other cyclists out, people in motor vehicles and the motorbikers would be "watching out" more carefully. I've ridden pushbikes for years and I never count on them "watching out" for me. I translate that attitude to my motorbiking also. I support these people for riding and getting out there pursuing a worthwhile activity, but I don't support them when they are endangering themselves and others with haphazard attitudes and poor formation riding skills.

When I rode clear of each batch of nutters, I could only shake my head in wonder. Here's hoping no-one got hurt yesterday on that ride! :sick:

Lots of valid points made by everyone on this thread, but it doesn't do us much good if we end up smacking into one of them or having a bin because of them. :angry: Crash is crash whether we are right or in the wrong :dodge:

Ride safely and keep it rubber side down. :mellow:

[SuperDave]

Over here cyclists have thier own lanes, even on the freeways.

We wouldn't dare think of doing something like that, it's a good idea you see.

[bell]

Great to read your replies folks. But...
4 abreast RG100? No. You're mistaken. I ride my pushbike as I ride my motorcycle as I drive my car - defensively, expecting every other tosser on the road to do something which is going to fuck up my day and that of my family when their actions cause me harm. Sounds a bit different to what you've described methinks.

And the other thing you raise about cyclists not being the ones who pay for the roads and therefore them being the ones who have to move.....consider that a percentage of those on bicycles are also car drivers, motorcycle riders, etc and they have (hopefully) paid their dues for those vehicles. Maybe they also have jobs and pay taxes? Are we so naive to think that it's only levies from motor vehicle registration, licensing, etc that build and maintain our roads? Separate issues yes I know but worthy of mention nonetheless.

Speedie - perhaps you've lumped all cyclists into the 'bad' category becuase of what you see when you're on the road? We don't ALL run red lights and think that we're all "supreme" and ride inconsiderately so that other vehicles have to modify their driving to avoid us. Surely you weren't suggesting that?
I agree with you 100% re cyclist education. Let's go 1 step further and do a bit more than just 1 page in the Road Code that refers to "10 things that Cyclists would like Drivers to know"...or "10 things that drivers would like cyclists to know". How about the Plod start enforcing some of the stupidity that we see when cyclists do stupid things such as riding 4 abreast? Sure, the ute driver was charged over that incident yesterday but it's a fair comment to make that the cyclists needed some sort of "punishment" too. More "share the road" public education?

What next? 81 year old ladies assaulted by cyclists in road rage incidents? Oh dear.

[jrandom]

I NEVER see any cyclist stop at a red light they do that stupid wiggle thing cos there feet are stuck in the pedals...

It's called a trackstand, and it's supposed to be done on a fixed-gear track bike while waiting for the start gun at the velodrome. On them things, you can pedal both forward and backward, so you can balance on one spot. On a geared road bike with a coaster hub, you can only pedal forward, so you have to do a slow creep to maintain uprightness.

I don't do it, because I reckon it's more sensible just to filter to the left front of the queue and stand there with one foot down. Unfortunately, that means moving forward and getting one's bum off the seat. It's considered cool amongst the wanky roadie fraternity to complete a ride without putting a foot on the ground.

It's nothing to do with feet being 'stuck' in the pedals. It only takes a couple of weeks of riding with cleats and clipless pedals before you stop having to think about getting in and out of them.


I normally get one car v Cyclist on Tamaki drive per week.

Unsurprising. Cyclists are arrogant twats, and cagers are blind, distracted cunts. Hell, with all those twats and cunts around, you could just about bring a camera and sell the footage on the internet.

[Kickaha]

Unsurprising. Cyclists are arrogant twats, and cagers are blind, distracted cunts. Hell, with all those twats and cunts around, you could just about bring a camera and sell the footage on the internet.

What kind of cunts are Motorcyclists then?

[Pixie]

Two sides to any coin eh folks? Taking up the whole lane is asking for trouble from the huge amount of drivers that don't give cyclists enough space when passing....BUT....being assertive about giving yourself room on the road is what a cyclist needs to do. I'm sure lots of us do it on our motorcycles too. It's called riding defensively. You put as much distance between yourself and what is a danger to you. Riding two abreast is fuckwitted anyway, but car drivers who deliberately drive close to cyclists who are riding two (or more) abreast are driving dangerously. I believe there's a law regarding that in this country?

Being assertive,when vehicles may round a corner at 90 km faster than you are cycling and run into you,makes as much sense as being assertive in a lion's cage

[Jantar]

BUT....being assertive about giving yourself room on the road is what a cyclist needs to do. I'm sure lots of us do it on our motorcycles too. It's called riding defensively.
You may call it what you like, but what you describe is NOT riding defensively, its riding dangerously.

[bell]

Being assertive,when vehicles may round a corner at 90 km faster than you are cycling and run into you,makes as much sense as being assertive in a lion's cage


You may call it what you like, but what you describe is NOT riding defensively, its riding dangerously.

Dangerous riding is riding 2, 3, 4 abreast - anywhere, except perhaps in a marshalled race situation. Or riding along without a good awarenes of what the cars around you are doing/could do. And so on.

Defensive riding is doing things like giving the line of parked cars on the left a bit more than 10cms between your handlebars and their mirrors, anticipating people turning across you because you're not doing 10km/h but maybe more like 30+km/h, getting off the bike if there's not enough room on the road for you and the vehicles that are about to sandwich you between them, and so on.

If you don't allow yourself a bit of room to move back to the left when some twat comes too close to you then that's pretty dangerous for the cyclist. Perhaps there's a large number of drivers out there who are not fully aware of the dimesions of their vehicles as they don't appreciate that a cyclist needs more than 30cms between them and the bike to be safe. Maybe that helps to illustrate my point? I'm fairly confident that a lot of motorcyclists would NOT appreciate a vehicle passing them and leaving 30cms between them and their elbow/handlebar/boot/whatever is out the widest.

[Lou Girardin]

Dangerous riding is riding 2, 3, 4 abreast - anywhere, except perhaps in a marshalled race situation.

Yeah right, I've seen your "marshalled situation' and if I didn't have my wife on the back I would have started kicking the arses of the inconsiderate wankers using nearly all the road.

[Jantar]

Dangerous riding is riding 2, 3, 4 abreast - anywhere, except perhaps in a marshalled race situation. .
Riding 3 or 4 abreast is still illegal and dangerous, even in a marshalled race situation. Riding 2 abreast is dangerous and illegal if it obstructs other traffic. Riding single file is dangerous, but not illegal if the rider is taking up the whole lane.

I sometimes ride from home to Clyde by bike. Its on a open 100 kmh stretch the whole way, and I have never yet been abused or intimidated by other road users, but that may be because I stick hard left and give everyone plenty of room.

[Milky]

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/other-road-users/cyclists1.html

It seems to suggest that riding 2 abreast is legal. Amazing thing this road code. There are rules and shit in it. Rules that you can actually look up and learn.
oooh. How about this quote from the same site?

Motorists and cyclists both have a right to use our roads, and both share a responsibility to understand and respect each other's needs.
Of course we can't practice that because we as humans are arrogant stuck up cunts who would rather enforce our own point of view than think about safety

[jrandom]

if I didn't have my wife on the back...

(and wasn't a wheezy old geezer faced with a large group of athletes in a hurry)


... I would have started kicking the arses of the inconsiderate wankers using nearly all the road.

I have a fantasy life, too. It tends to involve leggy blondes with spiky hairdos.

[Bend-it]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3799812a11,00.html

So it's big fish eat small fish then... Trucks smash cars, cars smash bikes, bikes smash pushbikes, pushbikes smash old ladies...

You humans are wretched things... just wait till the mothership gets here...

[Lou Girardin]

I have a fantasy life, too. It tends to involve leggy blondes with spiky hairdos.

My fantasies also involve things I'll never have.