Unfuckingbelievable

[jade]

So I got my new 2000 aprilia rs250 on thursday, what a magnificent machine.
Didnt really ride it on thursday but come friday night saturday and sunday I couldnt have got more use out of it
Clocked up 700 km's up to wellsford and back a few times from auckland..
Loving the twisties, this bike feels great in a corner and even better in a straight line.
On sunday arvo got a call from a mate wanting to go for one more ride.
Sweet, Im keen.
We had all been talking for a decent amount of time about taking it slow, relaxing and cruising, theres a time and a place for speed
So 3 of us are doing a medium speed, not really going above 150 on most open roads unless there was an empty long straight which we might accelerate on but back off shortly after, None of us wanted to crash.
Leader had a radar on his 675 which saved us a couple times, mate on his repsol replica nsr250 sat on leaders heels, I sat on the nsr, everything was great - No close calls or anything dodgy, Almost back to auckland, take the turnoff to albany and follow my mates..
I see them in front of me at about 120, they start braking, I start braking, they turn into the corner and im still trying to brake as the backwheel comes up which means I cant turn into the corner, I go straightthrough the corner, over the 1.5m deep ditch till the front wheel hits the other side of the ditch, 3m away.BIG IMPACT. bike stays where it was, I fly over the handlebars over a tree, land 10m away, sommersoult and skid on my head for further 15m, adrenilines pumping and I cant believe im alive let alone dont have a scratch on me,
My friends have continued on unaware of whats happened.
Pick up the bike which is caked in dirt.
Side Fairing are intact but lying next to the bike, NO scratches - just broken bolt holes, Tank is lying on ground, No scratches or dents but not attatched to the bike, Seat is lying on ground, muddy as fuck.
Tail Section, Lying on ground - still intact just broken bolt holes.
Forks are bent with wheel almost all way back to engine, Rear subframe is bent,
No broken handlebars levers/lights or pegs, just seems to be the rear subframe and the forks.
As I got the bike thursday It was NOT insured, was meant to insure it today.
I cannot believe I spent 8000 bucks I didnt have on this machine and I have fucked it after 4 days..
Specially after I have dedicated my life to being a safe more aware rider.
This is not the first time ive crashed oh no.
Had a couple minor ones on the gn125, had 2 on the nsr where a driver pulled out and I locked the front wheel by accident,
Had a bad one on the nsr where I came around a corner and hit a turning car at around 90, I broke my leg in 5 places, rebuilt the bike over 4months on acc, took it out for its maiden voyage, front wheel locked after 15mins and I went over the handlebars and up the road, got an aprilia, kept it mint for 5 months then got knocked off by a car at 50k, Insurance came through and I got the new bike 4 days ago, now its gone
What the fuck is wrong with me, all that happened in the space of 1 yr 3mnths
should I give up riding?
Unfuckoing believable

[Bend-it]

From your record I'm not sure you can look at blaming anyone else mate... wisen up and stop being a dick

... before you kill yourself

[Steam]

Holy crap, Eight big ones, that's a long time saving. I feel for you dude.
As for your crash, OMG, how did you walk away from that one!?? Somebody up there must want you alive for something, I wonder what it is your destiny to do?
Please post photos of bike in bits!

[jade]

p.s
I am having trouble with the engine, the bike was still turned on when I picked it up but would not come on when I turned the ignition on when I got home, I left it and this morning changed the fuse which has fixed it.
The bike kicks over no problems however it is revving out to about 6000 rpm and holding there, you can take it down to about 2000rpm (just above idle) by bringing on the choke and then taking it back off, It will then sit at that rpm for a while before revving out to 6000 again where you can do the choke again, any ideas ?
I thought it might have something to do with the choke as that handle bar was twisted well forward and might have stretched the choke but Ive moved it back and its still doing it, HELP APPRECIATED!!!

[Steam]

Oh, actually, reading how many crashes you have had, maybe somebody up there wants you DEAD, but just keeps missing. Yeah, I'd seriously think about giving up riding, or at least ponder it for a while...

[jade]

From your record I'm not sure you can look at blaming anyone else mate... wisen up and stop being a dick

... before you kill yourself
I dont want to blame anyone else, this was totally all because of my own error, I have been dedicated to being sensible on the road so this sort of thing does not happen.. and yet it did.
I do not understand how I keep walking away from these things

[kiwifruit]

wow, sorry to hear you binned it, lucky you are not badly hurt.

what about a dirt bike? they bin well

[TLDV8]

Don't worry about trying to start the engine (imho) ....... Remove any broken panels and wash all the mud etc off it,then set it up in a clear area on stands if you have them so you can access the damage.

[Str8 Jacket]

Mate, dont give up! Maybe slow down and pay more attention to whats going on but dont give up! I wrote my first bike (brand new) off in the first 2 months of riding and then crashed my now bike within 2 weeks after that. At that time I swore that I was not going to continue riding but got itchy feet after not riding for 2 weeks. Since then Ive had a qute a few more minorish "incidents" such as being blown of the road etc and I have to admit that after my last wee blow off I was very sure I was gonna give up but I think that ridings addictive and you just HAVE to get back on ya bike. Good luck with everything, sounds like a very expensive lesson to learn! But dont give up!

[The Pastor]

Learn to ride before getting an rs250?

[outlawtorn]

at least you are alright dude, thats the main thing.

I must be honest, someone is trying to get a message through to you and that message is: "Buy A Fucking Cruiser And Stop Hooning Around" :dodge:

[Swoop]

700k's up and down to Wellsford a few times and at speeds of 150?
You are lucky the constabulary didn't get to you first.

:scooter:

[The Pastor]

actually ive been past 2 cops on 16 at 150+ sometimes they don't have the radar on.... I don't do that now because of paranoia of sting operations etc lol

[nudemetalz]

Glad to hear you got out alive,...but a 700km trip uninsured ????
What happened if it was a Porsche Carrera you ran up the backside of??
Be more than 8 big ones.......
Insurance companies do do temporary cover.

[dawnrazor]

Speechless -

Don't Even Know Where To Start -

I Know -

When They Say The Rs250 Is The Closest Thing You Can Get To A Gp 250 Bike - They Weren't Joking.

Live And Learn

[McJim]

Hey - at least you had 3 good days!

[outlawtorn]

Hey - at least you had 3 good days!

Cue Monty Python:


Always looks on the bright side of life.............

[Ixion]

Hm. maybe trying , uh, m I dunno, maybe , slowing down? And buy a four stroke? Tuned two smokers are not too forgiving.

[crashe]

Well at least you are STILL alive to tell the story...
so go and thank your lucky stars for that.

Go and buy a lotto ticket... cos if you win big, that will then, pay off the debt of the new bike that is now in pieces.

Not insured, well you ran the risk and lost out big time $8000 of them.

Is it repairable.. or will it be written off?

How close were you following behind the second rider... did you fixate on his line? Hence you loosing it.

If Mr plod had got you for doing 150 you would have been walking for 28 days and facing a hefty fine.
Ooops you are now facing a big bill and you are walking.

[Motig]

Good to hear your OK, BUT responsible? 150kmh is a medium speed?On the open road? I'm suprised your still here.:nono:

[onearmedbandit]

I have been dedicated to being sensible on the road so this sort of thing does not happen.. and yet it did.
I do not understand how I keep walking away from these things

This bit made me laugh the most!

[oldrider]

Hey glad you are OK but as to your question, just sit down and read your own post, over and over and over, until you get it, the answer is as plane as day. Don't give up just get smarter. good luck. Cheers John.

[dnos]

your right. I almost didn't believe your story.
Goddam.

[Bend-it]

Just got my rego extortion letter, $167 in ACC premiums... I hold YOU personally responsible...

Ohh yeah, and Helen Clark, and Labour, and Al Qaeda, and all the other people it's fashionable to blame...

[snuffles]

should I give up riding?
Unfuckoing believable

YES...............

[yungatart]

Speechless! Gobsmacked! Struck dumb!
Yep, all of the above.
Some of us might consider 150 kph to be slightly above medium speed - after all it is licence losing territory.
Slow down and get your skill level up before the next off claims you for the grim reaper - your current skill level is exceeded by your bike's speed limit.
As for no insurance, can't you get instant cover with a phone call, any time of the day or night. If not, I suggest you change insurance company - if you can get insurance with that record.

[Bend-it]

had 2 on the nsr where a driver pulled out and I locked the front wheel by accident,
Had a bad one on the nsr where I came around a corner and hit a turning car at around 90, I broke my leg in 5 places, rebuilt the bike over 4months on acc, took it out for its maiden voyage, front wheel locked after 15mins and I went over the handlebars and up the road, got an aprilia, kept it mint for 5 months then got knocked off by an asian driver at 50k, Insurance came through and I got the new bike 4 days ago, now its gone


Throwing back to a point I was making in another thread. Only the race of the asian driver is mentioned. What's your point?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34819

[jeremysprite]

You should probably change your profile now from rs250 to I shouldn't own one.

[Lil_Byte]

Sorry for your bin, but I have seen so many people drive/ride out of dealers and get wacked by other cars or just prang by generally being dicks, before they get insured, that I will not even run out onto the footpath without cover.

And 150kph uninsured - ask yourself:scooter:

[Colapop]

If you read these replies and get a bit miffy - don't. There are alot of people on here who've either lost people they love or had serious bins. They do know what they're talking about. To read the things you've written about you're latest off and your history you (if you look at it objectively) can understand peoples' dismay at your reckless disregard for your own safety. What is more disturbing is the disregard you have for other road users. Kill yourself by all means but spare a thought for others on the road.

[marty]

it's simple - you ride too fast for your ability. it's just a shame that you've fucked a perfectly good (somewhat rare) bike. there was a guy - Darwin i think his name was - who had a theory about guys like you.

[The Pastor]

If you want to try insurance fraud (not reconmending it) get your bike insured then go chuck it off a steep hill at night and wait for somone to pass by (make sure your wearing a scrachted up helmet and jacket.....

[onearmedbandit]

And then get someone to post about it on the internet.

[andrea]

dont worry bout the bike man your just lucky your alive and well!!!:mellow:
dont give up biking, you just have to be abit more careful, well its up to you

[Dafe]

Personally, I'd give it up.

I'd say try a cruiser bike but....... You would be too bored by it.
The speed is in the veins, Leaving no other options. Fact is, some people just don't have the self control. Thats a recipe for disaster with bikes.

Bikes have ruined alot for you so far, don't let it ruin the rest.

Consider your options carefully.

You are extremely lucky to have had that many big accidents and be fine.
You're number might be up soon.

[Transalper]

I have been dedicated to being sensible on the road so this sort of thing does not happen.. and yet it did.
I do not understand how I keep walking away from these thingsSorry dude, everything you've said contridicts this claim of being sensible.
The only place speed actually belongs is on the track.
I think you need to start riding defensivly. Grow up/get some maturity, and start work on your skills without outriding your ability or next time you might not walk away or worse still you might ruin someone elses life.

If you want to ride fast go join a racing club at a track and learn to do it right.

[jade]

I totally agree with everything thats been said, I have noone to blame but myself..
Im constantly trying to better myself and exercise more control..
I know that my days are numbered if I continue to rape it everywhere which is why I dont
But comeon... sometimes when you are out for a ride you open it up
I reckon one contribution was how soft the front suspension was...
Under hard braking on 2 occasions before the bin the back wheel came up when the front suspension bottomed out I guess
..cant lean while doing a stoppie
When it comes down to it I have noone to blame but myself..
totally gutted but I dont reckon i was riding above my abilities..
I totally agree now that speed should only be attempted on a track.

[scracha]

Only a fucktard would post this mishap on the interweb thingie. Someone more devious might be inclined to not tell a soul, insure the bike regardless, wait a few weeks and then put all the bits back in a field and call a tow truck.

[Kendog]

So 3 of us are doing a medium speed, not really going above 150 on most open roads unless there was an empty long straight which we might accelerate on but back off shortly after, None of us wanted to crash.

I see them in front of me at about 120, they start braking, I start braking, they turn into the corner and im still trying to brake as the backwheel comes up which means I cant turn into the corner



I have dedicated my life to being a safe more aware rider.


I am amazed you think you can combine the above statements in one discussion.

My advice and answer to you question about giving up, is to have a break instead. Do not get into bikes again until you are about 27 or 28 so that:

You can pay off this bike
You can assess if biking is really for you
You can save for your next bike
You will mature and be more sensible on the road


If you keep going I fear you will not make it to 28 :bye:

[Big Dave]

Bummer. - glad that you can still write about it.

Bikes crash - it happes to all of us. I ride professionally and have put much more expensive motorcycles in a ditch.

Take your time - clean the bike up - list the damage and set about replacing and repairing. It's only a machine.

And get an insurance cover note before you ride the next one anywhere.

Maybe you should have some lessons too.

Sorry for your pain.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Roads not for you.

Stop wasing money on crashing on teh road.

COME RACING!!!!

That way you can up your skill level and have a shit load of fun. Get you RS upand running and race it in F3. !!

[mikey]

you'll probably die choking on a smint

[Macktheknife]

I totally agree with everything thats been said, I have noone to blame but myself..
Im constantly trying to better myself and exercise more control..
I know that my days are numbered if I continue to rape it everywhere which is why I dont
But comeon... sometimes when you are out for a ride you open it up
I reckon one contribution was how soft the front suspension was...
Under hard braking on 2 occasions before the bin the back wheel came up when the front suspension bottomed out I guess
..cant lean while doing a stoppie
When it comes down to it I have noone to blame but myself..
totally gutted but I dont reckon i was riding above my abilities..
I totally agree now that speed should only be attempted on a track.

Your aspirations have exceeded your abilities.
(1)
The biggest problem was that you knew this and did nothing to prevent it from happening again.
(2)
Of course you were riding above your abilities, the evidence is clear, you could not brake in the distance available, and you crashed.

You should not ride this bike or any other until you have learned something about how to do so. Your comments show you have got a pretty twisted version of what riding should be, stop now before you kill yourself or someone else. I am not kidding/joking/taking the piss... just stop.
Then get some good quality training, and when you have paid off the bike, and achieved a level of competence that will make you safer, then think about buying a machine that you can handle, instead of a high performance race bike.
Please, take this advice and that of the others here, stop this.
Mack

[fozz rock]

totally gutted but I dont reckon i was riding above my abilities..


BUT if you where riding to your abilities you wouldnt keep on crashing

crash my first bike, shit happens and if you dont learn from it it will keep on happening

[chanceyy]

hopefully you will organise insurance before you ride off into the sunset, I have always rung insurance to organise temp cover til i have it home then update with all info


sorry buddy but you have to live in the real world & protect your investment from day one .. as you have proven meaning to do it later does not pay off

[Forest]

If it helps to cheer you up, here is my sob story...

I was in Melbourne around the beginning of this month. I decided to stay the weekend and get in some riding (Great Ocean Road & Ottways etc). So I hired a R1150GS from Garners rentals.

Picked up the bike at 4pm on Friday afternoon. Within two hours I laid it down hard at around 60km/h on wet Melbourne tram tracks (went in to them on a long straight road and lost the rear end). The fuel tank was screwed, valve cover was badly cracked and leaking oil, the instrument cluster was fucked, engine protection bars and bash plate were snapped, front guard was wrecked, switch-gear was ruined.

Luckily I was ok - just a few scratches on my jacket and some sore knees. However on the following Monday they assesed the total damage at $7,700 AUD! The bike had an insurance excess of $4,000 AUD and the rental was around $545 for the weekend. That's around $5,347 NZD for two hours of riding. :mad:

An expensive weekend to be sure. But at least I got a nice ash tray out of it (the wrecked BMW valve cover) and a story to share.

-------------------------------

FWIW I was determined to ride that weekend so I hired an F650 (thanks Garners) and did the Great Ocean Road along with a couple of hundred km of excellent Victorian country back roads. You could say it was a memorable weekend!

[onearmedbandit]

If it helps to cheer you up, here is my sob story...





Now that sucks.

[Lou Girardin]

It's a shame. It sounds like you were watching your mates and not the road.
Still, you're not hurt. And you may be able to source secondhand bits for it.
When you fix it, INSURE the bloody thing.

[crazybigal]

dude your either one unlucky fucker! or just an idiot!
one day your prob going to bite the big one on a bike id say!
give up!


So I got my new 2000 aprilia rs250 on th...

[Forest]

Now that sucks.

Yeah - I had no bloody idea that tram tracks could be so dangerous!

The road was long and straight and there were tram tracks running in both directions. A light rain was falling. I drifted into a rail and the bike started tram-lining. I wasn't worried (BMW suspension makes you invincible - don't you know :yes:) and assumed that the bike would just pop out after a while.

Suddenly the back wheel went mental and - before I could do anything to regain control - the rear wheel swung way out to my left and the bike felt like it was going sideways. I was thrown to the right and the bike bit the ground hard. Both myself and the bike ended up skidding along a cobble-stoned gutter.

The bike took a surprising amount of damage. The handle bars were twisted so far back by the fall that the right bar end bit hard into the fuel tank. The GS is a lovely bike but there's a lot of exposed bits which don't handle crashes that well.

[Transalper]

I totally agree with everything thats been said, I have noone to blame but myself.....I reckon one contribution was how soft the front suspension was...Under hard braking on 2 occasions before the bin the back wheel came up when the front suspension bottomed out I guess
..cant lean while doing a stoppie
When it comes down to it I have noone to blame but myself..
totally gutted but I dont reckon i was riding above my abilities..It's that little bit of aragance that you have to knock on the head. You knew the back wheel came up under hard breaking but even with that knowledge you still put your self in that situation coming in to the bend. If you had the ability you think you have then you would made the corner instead of having another incident.
Your half way there with the "i agree, noone else to blame" but then you ruin it by showing us you seem to be in partial denial...that you still think there was more to it than just you....like the suspension...which an able rider would have adjusted to.
I could be wrong but i tend to think that if you had a firmer front end you could make the back come up earlier.

Could it be that you define the word 'ability' differently to us?

[R6_kid]

FFS Cam!!! You were sposed to txt me when you got your new bike you tard!

Not that the ride i did on the weekend was any less ravage than what it sound like you were doing.

Just take a step back and try something not so mental. Remember it takes months not days to get back in to riding. Taken me a year to learn my 600 and im only now as fast if not faster in corners than i used to be on my 250.

[Street Gerbil]

Sorry about your ride, mate. But, then, what are the odds of walking from this crash in one piece. You are one lucky chap, I tell you. Someone high above was watching over you.

[Ghost Lemur]

My advice.

Get a dualsport and second set of rims ('tard). Can't jump a sprotsbike. Open you're mind to some adrenaline fun that doesn't include potential tickets from the Man or expensive repairs. Most you'll need after an off on a DS is a lever or maybe a mirror and indicator. Off's cost you in the tens of dollars instead of the thousands.

Having said that I'll help fund your effort to get back on the road by giving $50 for that wreck of yours. :innocent:

Seriously though your only young once. If you don't do this shit while your young and invincible you'll never do it. Then what stories are you going to have when you old and sensible?

[kro]

Don't want to sound like a wanker, but it sounds like you were riding using your leaders to read the road, and not reading the road yourself. I would just keep an eye on that, and keep on riding. :rockon:

[imdying]

sounds like you were riding using your leaders to read the road, and not reading the road yourself. I would just keep an eye on that, and keep on riding. :rockon:I agree x 2

[sunhuntin]

everyone beat me to it. good you walked away [dunno how though!] but if i were you id keep on walking... safer for yourself, other road users, and the beaten up bike shivering in fear out in the shed.
try sticking to the speed limit for a change. what if a cop had given you a ticket/taken your license? i bet youd be on here pissed off cos said cop may have saved you from an early grave.

what never fails to amaze me is the number of 250 bikes out there that are built to reach a higher speed than many bigger bikes. the bike in question here is a 250, yet can reach 150k?? imagine if that was a shiney newbie rider, fresh out of the licensing office, with no practise under their belt?? crazy.
i often think id be safer on a light harley, which is slower but bigger cc, than the gn250 im on now. i can only reach 120k on a good day, but that is plenty fast enough...im happy on 90k.

read what everyone here has written, and try and learn something from it. theres a reason youve had so many wrecks, and by the sounds of it, no one else is to blame.

[sunhuntin]

If it helps to cheer you up, here is my sob story...



o crap....they are going to lay tram lines in my town....i better think about moving!!! train tracks are bad enough....bugger anything worse!

[wendigo]

p.s
I am having trouble with the engine, the bike was still turned on when I picked it up but would not come on when I turned the ignition on when I got home, I left it and this morning changed the fuse which has fixed it.
The bike kicks over no problems however it is revving out to about 6000 rpm and holding there, you can take it down to about 2000rpm (just above idle) by bringing on the choke and then taking it back off, It will then sit at that rpm for a while before revving out to 6000 again where you can do the choke again, any ideas ?
I thought it might have something to do with the choke as that handle bar was twisted well forward and might have stretched the choke but Ive moved it back and its still doing it, HELP APPRECIATED!!!


Wouldn't have started the engine until I'd had a good look at everything after a prang like that. God knows what's been buckled, bent, torn out & unplugged by the sudden deceleration.

Take things appart and make sure things look & seem to work ok
Things I'd be looking for:
(a) stretched or snagged cables.
(b) are the throttle boddies ok, or is there any signs of damage, e.g. from the choke cable tearing out the choke.
(c) do the throttles work smoothly & do they open in a synchronous manner? Do they open fully?
(d) Are the inlet rubbers still ok or have they been split?
(e) Are the powervalves still working? Is their action still smooth? Do they open fully? How easy is it to open them? Have they been jammed in the crash?
(f) Does the powevalve actuator still work? Has it come unplugged?
(g) What state are the coils in? Have they come loose? Any dodgy connections?
(h) what state is the ECU in?
(i) What state is the engine in? Has torn itself out of any mounts? Is leaking fluids anywhere implying something being warped?

Etc. etc.

Ah the joys of working on a two stroke... Prefer the Honda RS variety meself, but each to his own. Oh yeah, one final thing with regards to your bike - if you don't run premix, make sure the (2 stroke ) oil pump is working. You'd feel a right tit if you turned the only (apparently) undamaged part of your bike into high grade alloy scrap for lack of oil.

Mind you if you don't feel a bit of a tit after reading all the responses in this thead, you fucking well should.

By the way, I'd just like you to know that its because of muppets like yourself, that back when I lived in Ireland my insurance on a 125 ( that was so gutless it couldn't pull the skin of a custard tart) was about 1500 dollars per annum.

Unlike everyone else, who think your're a twat for not having insurance, I say good on yah. At least this fucking time my insurance premium won't be going into buying you a new fucking bike.

[gijoe1313]

Ouch - a cheap lesson in pain, expensive on the wallet - but hopefully you'll gain priceless experience that will make you reflect and think about the ride. Plenty of others here have already given you brickbats and bouquets so I won't have to add anything else.

If you love to ride, ride so you can keep on loving it longer! :yes:

[Dafe]

I totally agree with everything thats been said, I have noone to blame but myself..
Im constantly trying to better myself and exercise more control..
I know that my days are numbered if I continue to rape it everywhere which is why I dont
But comeon... sometimes when you are out for a ride you open it up
I reckon one contribution was how soft the front suspension was...
Under hard braking on 2 occasions before the bin the back wheel came up when the front suspension bottomed out I guess
..cant lean while doing a stoppie
When it comes down to it I have noone to blame but myself..
totally gutted but I dont reckon i was riding above my abilities..
I totally agree now that speed should only be attempted on a track.

This is your problem!

You're avidly seeking excuses as to why you should go out and do it again.
Blame the front suspension this time.

If you were going slower, you could have taken the corner. Maybe the speed is the problem?
Besides, didn't you say the back wheel lifted?
I'd say you are riding a bike outside of your means. Too much bike for you. Not allowing yourself time to gain a bikes feel.
I hope you give up for the sake of your friends and family and hopefully you'll not take anybody I know with you.

[Ixion]

I totally agree with everything thats been said, I have noone to blame but myself..
Im constantly trying to better myself and exercise more control..
I know that my days are numbered if I continue to rape it everywhere which is why I dont
But comeon... sometimes when you are out for a ride you open it up
I reckon one contribution was how soft the front suspension was...
Under hard braking on 2 occasions before the bin the back wheel came up when the front suspension bottomed out I guess
..cant lean while doing a stoppie
When it comes down to it I have noone to blame but myself..
totally gutted but I dont reckon i was riding above my abilities..
I totally agree now that speed should only be attempted on a track.

What nonsense. You crashed. Therefore by definition you lacked the ability to deal with the situation.

Soft front suspension has little to do with whether the rear lifts under braking weight transference. And even if it did, what of that. Part of a riders ability is to accomodate the idiosyncracies of the bike. If you could not do that then, yes, you were riding beyond your abilities.

And how did a stoppie while braking into the corner mean that you had no choice but to run off the road more or less upright ? What was wrong with putting the back wheel down and pushing through the corner. After all, the fact that the back came up shows that the front was braking hard. By the time you were in the corner you must have slowed considerably. Granted you might have low sided , but it is unlikely.

Your mates, on bikes with less handling performance than yours got safely round the corner. You did not. Either you were going much faster than them on the approach, in which case I would think you showed poor judgement on approach speed, or you stuffed up the corner. In either case the crash is incontrovatably down to rider error. It was not the fault of the bike.

I do not mean to be harsh, and I am certainly the last person to pass judgement of race track style cornering. But as others have said, if you do not revise your thinking you are very likely to kill or seriously injure yourself , which none of us want to see.

Please reflect on this and try to understand that there is only ONE thing that is solely responsible for whether a rider crashes or not. The rider.

[slowpoke]

I'm not sure why but my eyes keep welling up with tears....maybe it's from laughing so hard....maybe it's the sheer frustration of trying to comprehend your attitude. I can't believe you had the gall to criticise an Asian driver...YOU are the sort of person Asian drivers talk about!

Now, I'm off to touch wood so hopefully it doesn't happen to me. I'm working offshore at the moment so I'm guessing "Hey fella's, anybody got some wood?" is probably NOT the right way to go about it considering we've been away a couple of weeks now......

PS: no disrespect to Asians, there are nutjob drivers of all races as proven by this thread.

[mikey]

i think the obvious next step is a gsxr1000. there are more spare parts out there to fix them once you crash em

im about to set up the great KB PRE PAID FUNERAL SCHEME

you might want to opt in.

though like i said earlier, your probably the type that will die choking on a smint not in a big strex channel sport.

[Black Bandit]

So I got my new aprilia rs250 ... gn125 ... nsr ... aprilia ...
should I give up riding?


Those poor bikes, those poor beautiful rare machines. Don't give up riding - just give up wrecking those wonderful machines.:cry:

Glad that you survived to tell the tale.:mellow:

[jrandom]

those poor beautiful rare machines...

What, a GN125?

*I'm* not glad he survived to tell the tale. I've given up caring about human life. It appears to be overrated.

[Forest]

what never fails to amaze me is the number of 250 bikes out there that are built to reach a higher speed than many bigger bikes. the bike in question here is a 250, yet can reach 150k?? imagine if that was a shiney newbie rider, fresh out of the licensing office, with no practise under their belt?? crazy.

A couple of years ago I got a TU250 Volty up to an indicated 150k going downhill on those big hills around Albany (going southbound on SH1).

No joke - a completely stock TU250. I would struggle to think of a more placid learner bike.

I would hate to think what an RS250 is capable of if someone was riding it really hard.

[Black Bandit]

What, a GN125?

Hey - play nice. GN's are bikes too.:love: Perhaps not as rare though ...

[Hillbilly]

Once that RS250 gets fixed, trade it in for something safe like a new '06 CBF250, and get some practice in. You'll lve longer. I really think you need to take a good long look at the this article which was originally posted by spudchuka:http://www.ogrish.com/archives/biker_vs_pole_in_budapest_hungary_Feb_20_2006.html

That's what could have happened to you if you hit the fence, and next time you might do just that! The pictures are all real too! There are other posted on KB about a rider who hit a tree at 200km/hr, not much left of him either. Wake up! If you want to go fast and get some excitement, then do it on a racetrack. That's what organized track days are for.

You sound just like the idiot who killed himself by plowing into a ute doing a u-turn. Was it the driver's fault? NO! The rider was doing in excess of 150km/hr up a hill that was only 300 metres long and that had an intersection at the end of it. He came though a roundabout, gunned it up the hill and "Bang" right outside a dentist's office. Fortunately he broke his neck so he didn't suffer. This was a in a 40km/hr school zone, and in broad daylight.

Don't blame the front end of the RS 250 either. Aprilia know what they're doing when they build bikes. You didn't follow the "three second rule" did you?

[Smorg]

So 8 bins and how long have you been riding................maybe its time to step back and have a look from a different point of view. You shouldn't be doing 150 if you cant take corners. Dont buy an aprillia if your just going to wreck it............give it to someone who can actually ride it.

[cowboyz]

I totally agree with everything thats been said, I have noone to blame but myself..

When it comes down to it I have noone to blame but myself..
totally gutted but I dont reckon i was riding above my abilities..


Translated for other members:


I better say that it was my fault otherwise I will look like a tosser but it wasn't really. The bike wasn't setup correctly and although I had ridden it for 700 odd km It wasn't my fault that I didn't pay attention to how the bike rode on the road and it wasn't my fault I outbraked myself and hit the ditch.

BTW. If you don't think that you were riding above your abilities then why is your bike in the ditch???


Dumb arse.



PS. Thanks in advance for the red rep.

[BNZ]

I see them in front of me at about 120, they start braking, I start braking, they turn into the corner and im still trying to brake as the backwheel comes up which means I cant turn into the corner,

Specially after I have dedicated my life to being a safe more aware rider.


Sorry, cant be fucked reading the whole thread..... Basically you have "dedicated your life to being a safe more aware rider", yet you repeatedly crash, and this time it was all your fault as you came into a corner waaaay too fast?

I would re-evaluate your definition of "Being a safe more aware rider" :shit:

Glad to hear there were no injuries this time. Good luck with the bike.

[madkeenandy]

hey come on guys 150km/h is slow... on a RACE TRACK if you want to go that fast come out to a track day and have the same fun only safer and legally...

[ducatijim]

Perhaps you should go back to being a 'scooter boy' as you seem to lack the wisdom to ride even a wee mans bike. Least you didn't hurt any poor innoscent.

[ferretface]

Its a damn shame binning such a nice bike (though I'm not sure about the graphics) but only common sense will stop you making the same mistake again. If you ain't got that - then buy a bicycle instead.

[stanko]

Ill swap you a nice RZ350 and $500 for your bike.

[jade]

Well, alot of valid points
I read most of the posts this morning so have had alotta time to absorb it, as well as getting constant shit from the 15 guys working in the boat with me, and ive had alot of time to think.
(p.s) the rs in my profile is not the one this accident happened on, this is..

I have decided that yes, i was riding out side my capabilities.
My bike is able to go 220km/h it is able to take corners at highspeed, and it is able to out brake most things,
but I am not,
these things are all skills that riders can aspire to, but they have a time and a place to be learnt over hours of practice
the road is no place for any of these things, I want to be a safe rider, there is no glory in being wrong, the accident is nobodys fault but my own which I said before, not the suspensions, mine, Ive also decided that it doesnt matter whose fault an accident is, the rider is always the one who comes out worse off, its nobodys responsibility but my own to make sure I come out alright.
Someone mentioned something about following my mates rather than reading the road myself, this I feel was a big factor and I didnt realise it till I read it, ill learn from that
im really gonna take my time to rebuild this machine, in that time Im going to learn to respect it, in that time im gonna decide what I do, Ive crashed that many times but love riding so much ive always got straight back on a bike, I would like to get into racing, I have no doubt whatsoever I will ride my rs250 again, I may however look at selling it for a trackbike, time will tell

[SwanTiger]

Nice post. Good luck with the rebuilding project.

[R6_kid]

you were always a cunt at school cam, but i knew that somewhere behind your badass exterior was a sensible guy.

Get in touch if you need a hand with the bike, check out corsa m/c wreckers over in Mt Wellington, he deals with a lot of ex-japan bikes and can get almost any aprilia part you need.

You got my number if you want to talk.

[Rashika]

hey come on guys 150km/h is slow... on a RACE TRACK if you want to go that fast come out to a track day and have the same fun only safer and legally...

yeah just dont go snowboarding first eh Andy? ;)

I cant believe the first post of this thread...at all of 20 years of age you have practiced safe riding (geez now that just about sent me into hysterics!) more crashes than i've had in my lifetime... Guess you will be paying for it for many years to come.
Give it up, get a pushie instead...whole lot cheaper at the rate you seem to get through bikes.
:whistle:

2nd thoughts maybe you have 'seen the light' ....good luck and please stay up north ;)

[SuperDave]

I totally agree with everything thats been said, I have noone to blame but myself...

Excellent to read your last post - spot on really.
You're a lucky guy to get off physically unharmed and a lot has been learnt.
Good luck with getting the RS back on the road and yourself back into riding.

Take it easy and don't ever lose respect for your bike, especially if it's so high strung like the RS which is as close to 250gp that you're gonna get. A bike like that not only demands but requires respect - without it... well you known from experience.

[BNZ]

Well, alot of valid points
I read most of the posts this morning so have had alotta time to absorb it, as well as getting constant shit from the 15 guys working in the boat with me, and ive had alot of time to think.
(p.s) the rs in my profile is not the one this accident happened on, this is..

I have decided that yes, i was riding out side my capabilities.
My bike is able to go 220km/h it is able to take corners at highspeed, and it is able to out brake most things,
but I am not,
these things are all skills that riders can aspire to, but they have a time and a place to be learnt over hours of practice
the road is no place for any of these things, I want to be a safe rider, there is no glory in being wrong, the accident is nobodys fault but my own which I said before, not the suspensions, mine, Ive also decided that it doesnt matter whose fault an accident is, the rider is always the one who comes out worse off, its nobodys responsibility but my own to make sure I come out alright.
Someone mentioned something about following my mates rather than reading the road myself, this I feel was a big factor and I didnt realise it till I read it, ill learn from that
im really gonna take my time to rebuild this machine, in that time Im going to learn to respect it, in that time im gonna decide what I do, Ive crashed that many times but love riding so much ive always got straight back on a bike, I would like to get into racing, I have no doubt whatsoever I will ride my rs250 again, I may however look at selling it for a trackbike, time will tell

Well mate, I hope you do learn from this. Im thrilled that you are 100% understanding of the fact that you fucked up and you were not riding safely. Fuck it ive done it, just im either more lucky or you do it daily. I have to admit I am sceptic, and that is without taking your crash history into account.

Fix the bike up and prove me wrong dude.

[jade]

No, I started out a fucking hoon, crashed repeatedly and only now Im trying to slow down
I bought the bike from corsa.. Im in touch with him for new parts atm..
As far as I can tell the forks arent bent... just the steering pin and the bottom fork clamp...
the plastics and tank are absolutely fine, not a mark on them..
But I am gonna take my time and really think for a while..
The bike will be back in 1 piece in no time, if everything goes to plan, a more sensible aware rider at the helm

[jaybee]

very strange lad, like someone else said re-read your owm post and get a life bloody dork what if ohhhhhh why bother probly wouldnt sink in

[imdying]

Just get out and ride the twistys by yourself some more, you'll be fine. Don't ride with your mates just yet... unless you can let yourself let them go. Some people are faster than you, never be sucked into chasing them :no:

[SwanTiger]

No, I started out a fucking hoon, crashed repeatedly and only now Im trying to slow down
I bought the bike from corsa.. Im in touch with him for new parts atm..
As far as I can tell the forks arent bent... just the steering pin and the bottom fork clamp...
the plastics and tank are absolutely fine, not a mark on them..
But I am gonna take my time and really think for a while..
The bike will be back in 1 piece in no time, if everything goes to plan, a more sensible aware rider at the helm
Dude you need to get yourself along to one of my carpark sessions, I'll demonstrate how to get a tank slapper coming off a wheelie and low side while drifting around a corner, all on your bike at no charge and minimal damage :whistle:

[ruphus]

....None of us wanted to crash.....
No one ever does...


....I see them in front of me at about 120, they start braking, I start braking, they turn into the corner and im still trying to brake as the backwheel comes up.....

....Had a couple minor ones on the gn125, had 2 on the nsr where a driver pulled out and I locked the front wheel by accident.....

....front wheel locked after 15mins and I went over the handlebars and up the road.....

....Under hard braking on 2 occasions before the bin the back wheel came up.....

Is it just me or does anyone else notice a pattern?

Stop grabbing a handfull of front brake!! Learn to read the situation and adjust your speed before hand. So what if the bike is as close to a GP250 as you can get, a bike is only as good as the person riding it.

Calm down, count to 10, nuf said.....

[Bend-it]

yeah, good to read your last post. If you meant it, then it's a start to becoming a more responsible rider... Ride with more mature KBers who are not into their ego and don't mind slowing down and showing you anything or 2. Listen to them. I did and am better for it!

[madkeenandy]

yeah just dont go snowboarding first eh Andy? ;)



ahhhhghhghghgh!!!! I just had to do it the week before the battle of the buckets and during the holidays..... this sucks.... :crybaby:

[Biff]

Give up riding? No
Slow down? Yes

Ride within your capabilities my friend. You'll learn more and live longer.

[marty]

geez that looks like my old bike. shame it's now fucked

[Colapop]

I hope the comments of your last post are truly honest. It may be that this has been a wake-up call that could change quite a few things for you. In time when the memory of this accident fades, remind yourself. Whatever it takes to reinforce the sentiments you've stated in your last post and remember the milimetres away from suffering from death you were.

I'll reserve judgement until you ride responsibly enough to provide an example that may stop someone else from killing themself. Until then I'll watch your progress with interest.

[FilthyLuka]

Stop Being A Stupid!

[R6_kid]

What shore school were you at?

we were westlake sluts, used to do rowing thats how i know him.

[jade]

Give up riding? No
Slow down? Yes

Ride within your capabilities my friend. You'll learn more and live longer.

word ^^


yeah, good to read your last post. If you meant it, then it's a start to becoming a more responsible rider... Ride with more mature KBers who are not into their ego and don't mind slowing down and showing you anything or 2. Listen to them. I did and am better for it!
Thats a big thing I want to do, If my mates do decide to push it, I'll hang back, id rather be called slow than a fucking idiot.
to colapop:, It was a wakeup call, Im well aware how close to death i could have been and I have no intention of putting myself in that position again, ive walked away from so many crashes, I believe my 9 lives are up and there wont be a tenth, im currently walking to work and spending my nights on the rebuild, its not a bad one but im gonna take my time and think about some riding principles I want to embrace, will take some photos of the rebuild and post them eventually, expect to see some carbon fibre.
Ill be back on the road before christmas, i look forward to meeting some of you, hopefully as a more sensible person and rider alike

[jaybee]

word ^^

Thats a big thing I want to do, If my mates do decide to push it, I'll hang back, id rather be called slow than a fucking idiot.
to colapop:, It was a wakeup call, Im well aware how close to death i could have been and I have no intention of putting myself in that position again, ive walked away from so many crashes, I believe my 9 lives are up and there wont be a tenth, im currently walking to work and spending my nights on the rebuild, its not a bad one but im gonna take my time and think about some riding principles I want to embrace, will take some photos of the rebuild and post them eventually, expect to see some carbon fibre.
Ill be back on the road before christmas, i look forward to meeting some of you, hopefully as a more sensible person and rider alike

good man, starting to like you now

[quickbuck]

I would hate to think what an RS250 is capable of if someone was riding it really hard.

Try, in the right hands it will leave my 600 for dust!

Now back to the read before I add my ten cents worth.

[quickbuck]

Righty tighty,
Lucky for you Cam I read all the posts to the end.

I was going to give you a roasting like most of the others have.

I think it is starting to sink in for you, now don't beat yourself up too much.

Rebuilding the bike might be a good lesson for you, as you will at least learn the lesson of how much it takes to fix a fine piece of machinery, and have a bit of respect for it.

Now, you mentioned that it takes a few hours of practice to learn something? I can't exactly remember what, but I was thinking more like YEARS!

In fact, when asked when I learned how to ride, I say, "I still am, I've been riding for the last 30, but still learning".

Coming up to a corner at 120 and grabbing a fist full of high performance brake on a light little bike with a nice sticky tyre will lift the rear wheel, no worries.
I bet once you "Slow Down" and come back to that bend in a few years you will find that you can actually take it at 100 without an issue.

Take it real slowly, and ask more experienced riders how to do it properly. Rapping around the roads with your mates may seem like fun, but there has to be a lot of control of the situation when the experience level is low.

So there is my ten cents worth anyway.

[heyjoe]

Have read the whole thread and agree with the many wise comments made about riding skills and how to stay alive in the future. If cjade1 is sincere in his post #77 then he has learned from this and I don't want to comment further.

There is another issue...

This guy cjade1 says...

"This is not the first time ive crashed oh no.
Had a couple minor ones on the gn125, had 2 on the nsr where a driver pulled out and I locked the front wheel by accident,
Had a bad one on the nsr where I came around a corner and hit a turning car at around 90, I broke my leg in 5 places, rebuilt the bike over 4months on acc, took it out for its maiden voyage, front wheel locked after 15mins and I went over the handlebars and up the road, got an aprilia, kept it mint for 5 months then got knocked off by an asian driver at 50k, Insurance came through and I got the new bike 4 days ago, now its gone..."

I ask what 'race' was the driver of the car that pulled out and caused the 'minor' crash on the GN125? What 'race' was the driver of the car that was turning and cjade1 crashed into it? Why is it so important to mention the 'race' of the driver who knocked him of the first Aprilia? This is unneccessary discrimination and paints asian drivers in bad light. There are bad drivers of all races! We see them all the time everywhere we ride.

Has anyone heard "...crazy caucasion drivers..." or "Irish drivers" or "Spanish drivers." I don't think so.

We should be encouraging good drivers rather than condeming riders of a particular race after stereotyping them. :nono:

Bend-it makes some straight-up logical points in the beginning of his thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34819 :yeah:

[Hillbilly]

To help put things into perspective, here are some of the specs on the Aprilia RS 250:

Max Power : 72.5 hp 52.9 kW @ 11900 rpm (rear tyre 64.3 hp @ 10400 rpm)

Max Torque:40 Nm @ 10750 rpm

Dry-Weight :140 kg

Braking 60 - 0 / 100 - 0 (mph): 12.8 m / 37.7 m

Standing ¼ Mile (400 mtrs) :12.2 sec / 174.3 kmh

Top Speed: 206.8 kmh

This little baby will easily out gun a lot of 600's, most 650 twins, and the 400's in the right hands. It's a bike that not only commands respect, but demands it.

This whole "bad asian driver" thing is really ironic, as it's the Japanese (asians) who make some of the fastest and most powerful cars and bikes in the world to day. They can't all be bad drivers then, can they?

[jade]

that not only commands respect, but demands it. /quote
I like this saying

As for the asian driver yes I can see why that would be an issue, its a valid point and unfair to stereotype people.. I'll edit my post, again, a lesson learned

[scracha]

Has anyone heard "...crazy caucasion drivers..." or "Irish drivers" or "Spanish drivers." I don't think so.


Bwahahaha...you've obviously never driven in Spain or Ireland then. I won't even mention the French but suffice to say that none of the above are as scary as your average kiwi driver.

[heyjoe]

Nah I haven't driven in Spain or Ireland!
Every country has its homegrown idiot drivers though. :Pokey:

[KLOWN]

I stopped reading after page five because it was all much of a muchness, good thing your not too hurt! I suggest you go for a slower bike, I found when I was nailing my cars around, it wasn't the speed that did it for me but taking the car to its limit, I had a 400hp skyline and did well over 200kph in it but before that I had a 1000cc mini and did about 130-140kph in it and had much more fun in the mini!!! I cruize along at 130-150 on my rg150 and have a great time, bearing in mind that 150 is giving it shit all the time. Just get a bike with less capabilities and go from there, when you can scrape the pegs on all the corners you go around on the rg150 (not that i can, but on a few i can:cool: ) then you upgrade your bike. The aprilla rs250 has awsome breaking capabillities and nothing was wrong with the bike when the rear end lifted you were breaking too hard, simple as that. I love biking more than driving a car (which I never thought would happen, cause i LOVE cars) and was/is a hoon but have only had one accident that was my fault and two accidents that weren't my fault and i'm sure many people think i'm a reckless idiot but I have done 2 defensive driving courses and they have gotten me out of trouble (or avoided getting into trouble) more times then I can count. Keep riding, do a course, get a slower bike:done:


glad your ok.

[UrbanMyth]

Bad luck! So sorry to hear..i would hate to even bin my bike after a year let alone 4 days.

[marty]

i knew i had seen this loser's bike somewhere....


http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=71701182

[jade]

Thats my old one, where the driver knocked me off
"looks like it has been pampered in the past" ...you got no idea buddy

[duncan_bayne]

Man, that sucks. BTDT, though ... 17 years old, ex-proddy TZR250 that I'd owned for a fortnight, overcooked a corner out in the Pahongina valley, wrote the thing off & put a hole in my knee :-(

I actually test rode an RS250 before buying my GSXR600 ... I only bought the GSXR because I wanted to carry a pillion on long-ish trips, & because of the RS's servicing costs. But man the RS was a sweet little bike ...

On the positive side, if there's enough of it left, you might have the basis of a beautiful trackday bike.

[Kyle]

So many posts, so much love. Myself i rode a dirtbike for a couple of years, crashed in the dirt lots, and learnt alot too. Then i got my first road bike, tzr250 2stroke. Perhaps i got lucky because i rode that old tzr250 like i was ghostrider (he wasnt around ten years ago) rode it into the ground actully, had a few close calls which my dirtbike experiance saved me from, but never crashed it on the road (only on the dirt, trying to dirtbike with it)
I dont know about the aprilla, but that tzr could nearly do 200kph when it was running right (with a tail wind). I agree totally that for a learner many 250`s are too powerfull, but the same could be said for cars, i wonder how many 'raceboy' drivers have there full licence.

Personally i dont believe in insurance. Just have to look at the companys selling it, those big companys got big somehow, clearly making plenty of profit. That story about 7700 damage cost and 4000 insurance excess kinda proves my point. However i also wont be buying something i cant afford to pay cash for, nor riding in a way that any crash with the local rolls royce, could be considered my fault.

Dont listen to those old fuddy duddys when they say give up riding, you are nearing the good part where you take all the experiance from your past rides, good and bad, and learn from it, move forwards and adjust. Personally ive had trouble with following other riders too, i think my brain is race-wired to say 'vehicle ahead, must keep up, maybe even pass it' and its taken me ten years to gain a type of control. Firstly i ride alone, that way you ride at your own pace, helps alot. Secondly i suppose is the ominous mr plod, ive had enough tickets that hes a permant thought when im on the road, that keeps the speed down even more than general self control.

Honestly though, listen to the people saying do it on a race track, i used to think a bit of twisty road was fun, but since ive been to three track days at taupo racetrack, i consider the open road abit boring and very dangerous in comparision. I mean seriously, on the track you learn to trust your bike, for me 3 trackdays taught me more than ten years of road riding. starting off slow and increasing speed as you learn the track, lap after lap. Can now lean it so far over that parts you didnt relise you had start draging on the track. And you can be sure there is nothing to hit, like people or cars or barbed wire fences or cows (yes ive seen a bike that crashed into a cow, vtr1000 bounced into the ditch, cow was fine) And in 30 years, i rate my three track days as best days of my life (skydiving comes to mind but still doesnt win)

Anyway that enough rambling from me.

ps: and dont listen to them 'get a cruiser' types either, i had one once, you can still ride them like a demon if you try hard enough.
:done:

[slimjim]

lad there's a white cross sitting close by for you!! yup you best heed.

[duncan_bayne]

Just get out and ride the twistys by yourself some more, you'll be fine. Don't ride with your mates just yet... unless you can let yourself let them go. Some people are faster than you, never be sucked into chasing them :no:
+1 to that ... the fastest I've ever been on the road was trying (& failing) to keep up with a guy on a GSXR1100 when I was on my GSXR600. He was faster round the corners too, smoother & could read the road better than I could.

I had a number of 'moments' but kept going ... in hindsight, I should have backed off & let him go.

[Wenier]

Man i agree with some of the others get a slow 250 maybe a 4stroke 4cyl still be fun, and take it easy till ya feel ya have full, and i mean full control.

maybe even restore the rs for track only. By the sounds of it you are lucky not to be dead, personally in the amount of time stated no one on the road should have that many crashes.

[Delirium]

iv read the whole thread. first things first, glad your alive and well. secondly, dont give up riding, because i trust you've learn ten times as much as what everyone else thinks you have.

iv been in the same situation almost, with cars. i had a car that could hit 190 repeatedly, one day i did a U-turn and someone tried to overtake me and went straight into my drivers door. im sure he was going fast because i looked in the rear vision mirror 5 second before i was about to turn around. ok, i accept it was my fault... then, 2 weeks later it was raining after work and for some stupid reason i had the need for speed. so i went the long way home, braked to hard for the corner and put it into a fence-wrote it off.

since then i got a mk2 escort that didnt go fast in a straight line but boy could that thing handle! it taught me alot about control and driving, and i learnt alot. then it got stolen.. nothing i could have done about that... so then im back to square one...

now iv got money saved away and am ready to but my own bike after riding a few mates and thoroughly enjoyed them. this is al in the period of about 1 and a half years.

so im sure you've learnt your lesson. now you need to find self control and think first before you hop on your bike.

[duncan_bayne]

Buying a slower bike won't necessarily make you a safer rider - because if you're determined to go fast, you'll just push harder on the brakes & through the corner, actually increasing the chances of a crash. In the end, I sold my 600 because to push it even remotely hard on the road was costing me too much in terms of fines (not to mention half the points on my license in one hit) - but the nastiest crashes I've ever had were on small bikes (TZR250, GSXR250, CG125).

If you hit a truck at 100km/h, you will suffer the same injuries if you launched yourself from an A100 or a VTR1000.

In fact, the second nastiest crash I ever had was on a CG125 ... how I walked away from that I don't know. Lost control on a patch of wet leaf-litter (outriding my visibility), hit the kerb (Centennial Drive out by Massey) at around 100, flipped the bike end over end, smashed up the tailpiece, bent the swingarm, and went head over heels myself. If that had been tarmac rather than deep mud (yay for Palmy winters!) I'd have been in deep shit. As it was, I ached for days & spent days trying to get the mud out of the bike.

By the sounds of it you might just enjoy yourself more on the track. I am seriously considering (in the future, budget isn't there yet) buying a cruiser for the road, and a racebike for the track.

[SinstaNSR]

Ride with your head not your wrist =P

[Big Dave]

i knew i had seen this loser's bike somewhere....


http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=71701182

Tells me I have to log in?

[NighthawkNZ]

Young dumb and full of cum... :baby:

:spanking: 150km on the open road and you call that safe???? WTF are you smoking... In my eyes you simply broke the law... and you paid for with the loss of your bike and nearly the loss of your life...

however :buggerd: I'm not going to ream you out every one else has done that for me for sure... But I am glad to see you saying its a wake up call... :Pokey:

First thing:
Learn the quirks of any bike before you go mad on it. It took me a week before I took my baby out on the open road... and a month before I was comfortable to take a pillion... (though weather had something to do with the delay... errr) But I was learning the bike, what it could do, what it couldn't do... the way the brakes worked, the throttle, how the bike was setup, ie suspension, gears... ie between 1st and second the gear change is clunky but fine for the rest, something I have to be aware of when



Each bike has its own quirks, from the way it handles to where the frack is the horn. You can have to exactly the same models and setups and both those bikes will handle ever so differently might not be much but it will be noticable. So if you rebuild it wont be the same bike as such.

You want to go fast, then please do it on the race track, there are heaps of race days.. heck join a club, learn to do it properly and safely and heck as stated else where the 150km would be considered as slow. But you will learn how to handle your machine.

[duncan_bayne]

:spanking: 150km on the open road and you call that safe???? WTF are you smoking... In my eyes you simply broke the law... and you paid for with the loss of your bike and nearly the loss of your life...

150km/h on the open road can, in fact, be perfectly safe, just as 50km/h can be wildly unsafe under the right (wrong?) circumstances. Don't buy into the "speed kills" propaganda. Inappropriate speed kills - the point is that you must develop the experience to know what is appropriate, and that varies with the bike, the conditions, and the state of the rider.

[The Stranger]

should I give up riding?


Either that or get yourself gelded.

One lesson here which a lot of people don't get. Learn your bike before you hoon it. Not just you, how many gixxer riders bin it in the first few weeks? By all means hoon if you must, but learn the bike first. The majority of accidents happen in the first few months of owning a new bike.

[NighthawkNZ]

150km/h on the open road can, in fact, be perfectly safe, just as 50km/h can be wildly unsafe under the right (wrong?) circumstances. Don't buy into the "speed kills" propaganda. Inappropriate speed kills - the point is that you must develop the experience to know what is appropriate, and that varies with the bike, the conditions, and the state of the rider.

On NZ roads, with NZ road conditions, Our roading system is not designed for this kind of speed with on coming traffic, (our roads here are absolute crap compared to most other countries and there isa reason for this to but thats another thread in itself) and other people on the road... the law being 100kph... (no ifs and or buts including over taking another vehicle) no its not particularly safe under any circumstance you are not the only one on the road and you don't have to make the mistake to be wipped out. And if you believe otherwise...well you have a problem or as big an idiot as the OP was.

I totally agree that 50kph can be unsafe in the wrong circumstances, so why raise the odds by doing 150???

In controlled conditions yes, if the road is close for the event, or on a track... go for gold... go hard out... but on the open road and the unperdictable things is not control and anything can happen, you don't only put your life in danger but every other person on the road.

[duncan_bayne]

I totally agree that 50kph can be unsafe in the wrong circumstances, so why raise the odds by doing 150???
Because in the right circumstances, 150 falls inside my tolerance for risk - just as 100 is over it under certain circumstances.

Put another way: if doing 100 on a given stretch of road carries a similar risk to doing 150 on another stretch of road, what is wrong with doing 150, assuming you'd do 100 on the first?

Or are you saying that there is no road on New Zealand where you'd feel comfortable doing 150?

[Ixion]

On NZ roads, with NZ road conditions, Our roading system is not designed for this kind of speed with on coming traffic, (our roads here are absolute crap compared to most other countries and there isa reason for this to but thats another thread in itself) and other people on the road... the law being 100kph... (no ifs and or buts including over taking another vehicle) no its not particularly safe under any circumstance you are not the only one on the road and you don't have to make the mistake to be wipped out. And if you believe otherwise...well you have a problem or as big an idiot as the OP was.

I totally agree that 50kph can be unsafe in the wrong circumstances, so why raise the odds by doing 150???

In controlled conditions yes, if the road is close for the event, or on a track... go for gold... go hard out... but on the open road and the unperdictable things is not control and anything can happen, you don't only put your life in danger but every other person on the road.

So, you ride a 1000cc bike because .... ? Tui moment here.

In fact parts of our roading system were designed for speeds of 100mph (mph, not kph).

And, compared to the roads of 40 years ago, when the speed limit was 90kph (actually, 55mph) but always exceeded, the roads are superb. Certainly the improvement in the roads exceeds an extra 5kph.

There's nothing wrong with the roads, ride to the conditions.

Certainly, sometimes 150kph is unsafe. Sometimes 100kph is unsafe , too. Sometimes even 50kph is unsafe.

The wise rider judges correct what is an appropriate speed . If 150 is appropriate, it is appropriate, there is no "raising of the odds"

[NighthawkNZ]

If this is your attitude then i do actually hope you both loose your licence before you kill your self or worse, kill someone else. I have lost to many friends who thought the were bullet proof on the open road...

why do i ride a 1000cc? I liked the colour....:2thumbsup

[duncan_bayne]

If this is your attitude then i do actually hope you both loose your licence before you kill your self or worse, kill someone else. I have lost to many friends who thought the were bullet proof on the open road...
Okay, let's break this down, attack it rationally.

Life is risky. One can die from falling down stairs, swallowing food the wrong way, or from walking into a tree while talking on a cellphone. A friend of mine who frequents this board broke his leg falling from a stationary motorcycle.

Obviously, risk is analog, not binary. Something isn't "safe" or "risky", it's "acceptably risky" or "too risky".

So, it becomes a matter of where you draw the line for risk. In a fit of imagination, let's call this personal risk limit the "risk limit."

If two speeds pose an identical risk (say, 50km/h in Auckland traffic, and 150km/h on the expressway near Hamilton), and the former falls within my risk limit, then they should be equally acceptable (notwithstanding legal issues, like loss of points on license or fines - we're talking physical safety here).

It looks to me like you've picked 100km/h as some kind of magical number, at which point you give up on rational risk analysis & just lump it in the "too fast" basket. This is irrational, says bad things about your ability to assess risk in general, and sadly indicates that you've become a victim of the speed NAZIs propaganda.

why do i ride a 1000cc? I liked the colour....:2thumbsup
Why not just repaint your old ride? :lol:

[cowboyz]

If this is your attitude then i do actually hope you both loose your licence before you kill your self or worse, kill someone else. I have lost to many friends who thought the were bullet proof on the open road...

why do i ride a 1000cc? I liked the colour....:2thumbsup

I gave you green rep for your reason to buy the thou. More people should put as much thought into the purchase of their bikes as you did..

But wholeheartly disagree with your first comment. I can't be seen to outright condone speeding. Riding at pace however is an experience that will result in a wider smile than the one before everytime. You must know yourself how "slow" 150km/hr is on a thou on a sunny sunday afternoon where noone is around and the conditions allow for it.

[duncan_bayne]

But wholeheartly disagree with your first comment. I can't be seen to outright condone speeding.
Why not? (On a related note - did you know this forum doesn't allow posts that are less than 10 characters long?)

[Wellyman]

Ouuuuch and ooouch dude. as TLD says dont worry about the motor for now , just focus on getting everything else fixed and get her back on the road.
WM

[cowboyz]

Why not? (On a related note - did you know this forum doesn't allow posts that are less than 10 characters long?)

because I am a law abiding honest citizen who is setting an example for the younger generation.



And I am on 90 points so speeding is evil.

ps. yes I did know that

[duncan_bayne]

because I am a law abiding honest citizen who is setting an example for the younger generation.
... who will no doubt grow up thinking that 100km/h is the magic happy safe speed - if you travel at or under 100, the cutesy crash pixies will save your life when you arse off, but if you travel over 100, the horrible spiky paraplegia demons will get you the moment your attention wanders.

If you want to be a role model for the younger generation, teach them to think for themselves! Riding according to the conditions (be it at 50 or 150) is just one application of the principle of intellectual independence.

[cowboyz]

holy shit. you wear out your dictionary with that post?

[Ixion]

because I am a law abiding honest citizen who is setting an example for the younger generation.



And I am on 90 points so speeding is evil.



Hm. And how, pray tell , did you get thsoe 90 points ?

[SinstaNSR]

i knew i had seen this loser's bike somewhere....


http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=71701182
Seems like your abit of a dickhead to me :bash:

[SinstaNSR]

Young dumb and full of cum... :baby:

:spanking: 150km on the open road and you call that safe???? WTF are you smoking... In my eyes you simply broke the law... and you paid for with the loss of your bike and nearly the loss of your life...

however :buggerd: I'm not going to ream you out every one else has done that for me for sure... But I am glad to see you saying its a wake up call... :Pokey:

First thing:
Learn the quirks of any bike before you go mad on it. It took me a week before I took my baby out on the open road... and a month before I was comfortable to take a pillion... (though weather had something to do with the delay... errr) But I was learning the bike, what it could do, what it couldn't do... the way the brakes worked, the throttle, how the bike was setup, ie suspension, gears... ie between 1st and second the gear change is clunky but fine for the rest, something I have to be aware of when



Each bike has its own quirks, from the way it handles to where the frack is the horn. You can have to exactly the same models and setups and both those bikes will handle ever so differently might not be much but it will be noticable. So if you rebuild it wont be the same bike as such.

You want to go fast, then please do it on the race track, there are heaps of race days.. heck join a club, learn to do it properly and safely and heck as stated else where the 150km would be considered as slow. But you will learn how to handle your machine. I think some of your so called advice is good though what makes you think its ok to degrade someone? fair enough these a time in place everyone knows that, so since when was it your moral duty to act like a cuntSTABLE he was seeking advice as a learning rider not for some knob to insult his riding.

[SinstaNSR]

Why not? (On a related note - did you know this forum doesn't allow posts that are less than 10 characters long?)
Mate I think you have some very valid points. Keep it up its interesting to read. lol :2thumbsup

[cowboyz]

Hm. And how, pray tell , did you get thsoe 90 points ?

its not my fault really. Blame suzuki.

[Rogue Rider]

Hi Bud, I would strongly!!!! recomend you look seriously at your riding and whether or not you actually want to live. I say this because your lucky, your lucky you wern't going faster, your lucky you didn't hit the tree, or worse loose a limb in the tree, your lucky you didn't come off on the open road doin your 150km/ph and hit an object or tree, or worse that you made an error in judgement and slammed into a car, possibly causing someone else injury or death. I am saying this as I have seen first hand body parts on the road and carnage from fatal road accidents. I've seen officers picking up limbs as though they were pieces of bike. It is really horrific, even to someone who doesn't know the person, let alone the family of witness's.
Please do us all a favour, and slow down, and be secible. Learn defencive driving, learn to drive to survive. The last thing anyone wants is to see you dead, dying or decapitated as one of employee's was last year. I have buried enough mates on bikes, without burying fellow K.Bs.
(I would inquire about Christianity if I were you, God would be better on your side) could try horse and cart for a while, Armish paradise rules.

[jade]

your lucky you didn't hit the tree

Yea, fortunately for me I cleared a tree (no shit I went over it)
landed on my head and slid between 2 fences on a 45 degree angle
I am well aware of how lucky I am to not have a single scratch on me
The bikes coming along well, Im doing some painting/ carbon work, should have it completely finished and on road 2 weeks max
It is totally my intention to cruise, its totally my intention to think ahead and not put myself in a position I dont want to be in in the first place
MOST OF ALL, I intend not to do anything that could result in my bike being off the road.
P.S - Im taking photos of the work Im doing - They WILL be posted once im finished

[jade]

Duncan bayne - you are one on to it mofo..
Obviously intellectual, i agree with all your posts
If something happens in the future I have noone to blame but myself.
It's on me.

[Laava]

Hey Scooter Boy, Get a scooter.....and insurance! Fix up that rocket and take it racing! No ditches to hit and no crazy people in 'Uninsured' cars coming the other way. The only people making no mistakes are the people doing nothing!

[paultz250]

dont give up bro :weep: go the two smokers best way to learn to ride .check all the simpel things plugs air filter yada yada might have sum dirt some were you shouldnt and keep it upright:spanking:

[Drum]

Ouch, that was a bit of a telling off, CJade1!!

Im just glad youre still alive. I bet your mum and dad are too.

[jade]

5 months, ridden everywhere, everyday - no crash
cept for one spill on the grass at taupo track which hurt my pride more than me or my bike

[marty]

Why not? (On a related note - did you know this forum doesn't allow posts that are less than 10 characters long?)

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[cowboyz]

i just wondering how you guys get to a couple of thousand posts?

[cowboyz]

i just wondering how you guys get to a couple of thousand posts?

[elle-f]

ya know, thats great you are riding again but dont ever think you are invincible because you have survived a few crashes. be safe

[Beemer]

ya know, thats great you are riding again but dont ever think you are invincible because you have survived a few crashes. be safe

Got insurance yet?

[Xtat1k]

it's simple - you ride too fast for your ability. it's just a shame that you've fucked a perfectly good (somewhat rare) bike. there was a guy - Darwin i think his name was - who had a theory about guys like you.

Yeah I'd have to agree with that, bloody lucky you came out unscathed but, maybe slow it down a little.

[inlinefour]

So I got my new 2000 aprilia rs250 on thursday, what a magnificent machine.
Didnt really ride it on thursday but come friday night saturday and sunday I couldnt have got more use out of it
Clocked up 700 km's up to wellsford and back a few times from auckland..
Loving the twisties, this bike feels great in a corner and even better in a straight line.
On sunday arvo got a call from a mate wanting to go for one more ride.
Sweet, Im keen.
We had all been talking for a decent amount of time about taking it slow, relaxing and cruising, theres a time and a place for speed
So 3 of us are doing a medium speed, not really going above 150 on most open roads unless there was an empty long straight which we might accelerate on but back off shortly after, None of us wanted to crash.
Leader had a radar on his 675 which saved us a couple times, mate on his repsol replica nsr250 sat on leaders heels, I sat on the nsr, everything was great - No close calls or anything dodgy, Almost back to auckland, take the turnoff to albany and follow my mates..
I see them in front of me at about 120, they start braking, I start braking, they turn into the corner and im still trying to brake as the backwheel comes up which means I cant turn into the corner, I go straightthrough the corner, over the 1.5m deep ditch till the front wheel hits the other side of the ditch, 3m away.BIG IMPACT. bike stays where it was, I fly over the handlebars over a tree, land 10m away, sommersoult and skid on my head for further 15m, adrenilines pumping and I cant believe im alive let alone dont have a scratch on me,
My friends have continued on unaware of whats happened.
Pick up the bike which is caked in dirt.
Side Fairing are intact but lying next to the bike, NO scratches - just broken bolt holes, Tank is lying on ground, No scratches or dents but not attatched to the bike, Seat is lying on ground, muddy as fuck.
Tail Section, Lying on ground - still intact just broken bolt holes.
Forks are bent with wheel almost all way back to engine, Rear subframe is bent,
No broken handlebars levers/lights or pegs, just seems to be the rear subframe and the forks.
As I got the bike thursday It was NOT insured, was meant to insure it today.
I cannot believe I spent 8000 bucks I didnt have on this machine and I have fucked it after 4 days..
Specially after I have dedicated my life to being a safe more aware rider.
This is not the first time ive crashed oh no.
Had a couple minor ones on the gn125, had 2 on the nsr where a driver pulled out and I locked the front wheel by accident,
Had a bad one on the nsr where I came around a corner and hit a turning car at around 90, I broke my leg in 5 places, rebuilt the bike over 4months on acc, took it out for its maiden voyage, front wheel locked after 15mins and I went over the handlebars and up the road, got an aprilia, kept it mint for 5 months then got knocked off by a car at 50k, Insurance came through and I got the new bike 4 days ago, now its gone
What the fuck is wrong with me, all that happened in the space of 1 yr 3mnths
should I give up riding?
Unfuckoing believable

If I was in your position, I'd have given up riding some time ago. Although I must admit I broke my back on my MX bike last year, however nil accidents in the decade prior. Maybe a handling skills course might be a go? The only time the frount wheel should be locked is while doing a stoppie...

[Lorax]

Bro that sucks so much shit. Feel for ya.

However, losing 8grand is better than losing the use of your legs eh. There's a bright side to everything.

[Kittyhawk]

Shesh.....dunno what to say...main thing is you're ok.... very lucky to be able to walk away from the accident.

[Ryza]

have you thought of having a break for a while?

when i binned my first bike i lost my nerve, tried to keep riding but still wasn't at my peak, so fuck it, sold it(after fixing it of course), was off the saddle for about 6 months, then got another bike, started riding again and now it feels good

though if your into falling off and hurting yourself, go get a dirt bike :D

[elle-f]

Got insurance yet?

me? i always have insurance - full as well - i dont bother with 3rd party. you must have the wrong person sorry.

[speeding_ant]

Dude... That just sucks.. :(

I think the best advice I could give you is buy a quite/sensible bike, try your hardest not to hoon it and try to do everything perfectly, everytime you get on it. It will tame you to stop speeding. I went through a sort of similiar experience where hooning caused an accident. Straddled a GSX2004 (inline twin) for a while, making sure that I did everything right. I rode that for around a year. Now after moving back to a quicker (relatively), more sportier bike, I feel I have more control over myself (and the bike).

You're going down a hard road, but don't kick yourself around. You're safe, the bikes can be repaired/some money recovered. At the end of the day, money isnt everything. It may feel "gay" going to a shitty bike but its worth it in the long run..

My 10c :) Take it easy out there mate

[The Pastor]

Give me your rs250, i'll give u a gpz1000, its more safer.

[smoky]

I start braking, they turn into the corner and im still trying to brake as the backwheel comes up which means I cant turn into the corner, I go straight through the corner........
a driver pulled out and I locked the front wheel by accident.....
front wheel locked after 15mins and I went over the handlebars...

I think small powerful bikes are harder to ride, they can accelerate real fast but they’re harder to stop and less forgiving in the corners than heavier bikes. (just my opinion). I've only really had one road bike that was a two smoker - RD350 (years ago).
If you choose to continue riding, which you no doubt will, I suggest you practice stopping quickly – I don’t think a stoppie is the quickest way to stop.
Get some mentoring.
Perhaps some of the more experienced riders here could give us some ideas of what to do when you find your self in your situation – coming up to a corner too fast – it happens.

I was on a ride recently with some others, it was one of those days you can’t seem to get things together and everything’s awkward, I was approaching corners all wrong; braking to hard coming into the corner. I was making a mess of it, until I learnt to let go of the brake and just chance it in the corner – to my surprise the bike took the corners better than expected.
I’ve learnt that when I over cook it up to a corner; if I shift my bum back, start braking and wipe off as much speed as possible, but then shift forward again and let go of the brakes earlier and take the chances in the corner, you’ve got a lot more options in the corner than if you lock up the front. Mind you I’ve found in extreme balls up mode I’ve actually locked the back wheel from changing down the gears too aggressively and braking – I’ve managed to slide the back around a bit as I’ve dropped into the corner, flung my head around the corner and rolled the throttle on, it seems to have got me out of trouble a couple of times.
But I’m not a good rider and I don’t know the theories you should be trying. I hope some one posts and puts us straight.
So come on guys stop givin him an ear full (I think he’s been told already) and give us learner riders all some good advice on what to do.

[crshbndct]

Seriously though your only young once. If you don't do this shit while your young and invincible you'll never do it. Then what stories are you going to have when you old and sensible?

"and this was the time i ruptured my testicles against the tank..."

"and this was the time i broke my back and never walked again...."

"and this was the time i tried a dangerous passing move and made this dumb bitch swerve into a ditch, killing her unborn baby....."

seriously though, starting the bike without checking it? wtf? i know you just wnated to sit there and rev it so your mates could drool over it seeing as how you couldnt ride it, but wtf?

this is why i waited till i was 26 to get a bike (made the decision when i was 18 to wait till i was responsible car driver. and i manage to drive around in my v8 and not speed, despite 400hp, so i figured that i was now boring and safe enough.

[quickbuck]

5 months, ridden everywhere, everyday - no crash
cept for one spill on the grass at taupo track which hurt my pride more than me or my bike

Good to hear you are riding without incident these days.

I don't think too many noticed this post, as they are still trying to give you advice on what went wrong in the accident (so it seems).


The small spill on the grass, yep that sucks, but you will learn not to get yourself in those situations one day.

[jade]

Thankyou quickbuck

[_intense_]

mmmmm rs250....

//yum, shame about the bin. live and learn though one hopes?