Double Standard?

[SARGE]

i took the Flying Pig up to get some gas at the Mobile on Dominion & Mt. Albert today ( since i couldnt make it to Kumeu..).. mmmmm 98 octane...

anyhoo...all i needed was a pack of smokes and pay for my gas and i was outie.. i didnt bother to remove my helmet and one glove .. i walked in and there was this black ghost in a Burka and her pack of kids in the store.. full face Burka mind you...

i walked up to the counter and asked for a pack of smokes and the minimum wage drone behind the counter (quoting now ..) said..


" i will not serve you unless you remove your helmet.."

"say what????"

"please remove your helmet.."

"theres no signs anywhere that say i have to remove my helmet..."

"remove your helmet sir, or i will not serve you"

"great.. free gas!!!"

" if you drive away without paying, i will call the police.."

" but you wont serve me.."

" not unless you remove your helmet.."



at the same time .. the lovely bedsheet was paying for her rolling papers and studded condoms at the cashier next to mine ..



"how come SHE can do it???"

"its a religious matter sir"

"so's my bike fuckwit!" (i was getting annoyed at this time and wanted to seize the opportunity to stir some shit anyway..)

"dont talk to me like that sir.. i do not have to take it"

well then take my money and i'll leave"

"not until you remove your helmet"




back home we call this a Mexican Standoff.....only this Mexican came from Pakistan or India or some other shithole..


i got tired of his shit finally and tossed a $20 on the counter and fucked off...leaving a bit of smoke off the rear tire on the way out..

can anyone explain to me how this is fair?

[Magua]

It is a double standard, but how often are burkas used in robberies compared to motorcycle helmets?

[98tls]

mate you should have grabbed the curtain held round the throat screamed.....JIHAD.....KARAN MUUUUUHAMMED WHOEVER THE FUCK cut her throat and collected your change.....no problem....thank you sir

[The Pastor]

Removal of a helmet is a quick and simple thing to do. I know you yanks are slower than the rest of the world (yes EVEN slower than aussies.)

The question is not, "why should I remove my helmet" but "why should I not remove my helmet".

Don't like it? Dont shop there. Efpos at pump. Or go to another station, ive never had any problems with wearing a helmet at a gas station.

[Finn]

It is a double standard, but how often are burkas used in robberies compared to motorcycle helmets?

All the time. They're robbing us blind with their prices at our local dairy.

[John Banks]

Because women are foul, dirty things and should be covered from the eyes of pure, virtuous men. It's a matter of right and wrong - didn't you know that, Sarge?

[SARGE]

mate you should have grabbed the curtain held round the throat screamed.....JIHAD.....KARAN MUUUUUHAMMED WHOEVER THE FUCK cut her throat and collected your change.....no problem....thank you sir

nah man .. it was a guy


and there were witnesses...


i just think it is a damn shame that one segment of the population gets special treatment..

the first asshole who thinks a Burka is a great way to pull off a liquor store robbery will be my hero...


EDIT: this tread was moved from the HELEN CLARKE COMMUNITY thread

[LilSel]

Make a Burka thingie outta a black sheet or something Sarge!!

Go back in same time (if goin past that way kinda thing) n hopefully it'll be the same guy... remove your helmet... with burka thing on underneath... then see what he has to say!!

if ya need smokes or gas or whatever...

If says anything... state... 'its my religion'

If still refuses... claim discrimination!!

[SARGE]

If still refuses... claim discrimination!!



yea right .. im a white guy who speaks fluent english...


i'd end up the one arrested and sued

[LilSel]

hmmm... good point...

Shit.. .I think I might've been having a blonde moment... guys dont wear burka things aye... lol...
So wouldnt work anyhow.... bugger... ah well... if it was me that happened to, I would do it just to prove a point (cuz im a woman)-you could see more of me with my helmet on rather than this dont you think?

(oh and I dont always take my helmet off either if paying cash, esp if theres no sign up....):rockon:

[Ixion]

Because women are foul, dirty things and should be covered from the eyes of pure, virtuous men. It's a matter of right and wrong - didn't you know that, Sarge?

But, but, but, I have always understood that Sarge was a foul dirty thing. And bad tempered too. So why does he not need to be covered from the eyes of pure virtuous men (like me)

[outlawtorn]

I always wear my helmet when paying for gas, its a mission to take it off and then tuck yerself back in (big ears and a neck warmer make it a mission).

It's a fucking joke that the little shit wouldn't serve you, I would have told him exactly what he can do with his fucking little attitude......FUCK this makes me fucking angry!!!!!!!:angry:

I hate this fucking preferential, politically correct, labour arse kissing, tree hugging, don't offend the blind cripple lesbian in a wheelchair with 3 kids, give all minorities more than anyone else, kind of utter fucking bullshit.:angry2:

FUCK POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and fuck these little shop people who demand helmets to be removed......aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhh:mad:

[LilSel]

If you had a balaclava on under your helmet n didnt take that off as well... do you think you would get the same reaction??

[Ixion]

It is a double standard, but how often are burkas used in robberies compared to motorcycle helmets?

And how often are helmets used in robberies compared to trousers? So why do they not demand that we remove our trousers? Has anyone experienced this with an open face helmet? (Which would knock out the picture thing completely). But I don't accept the picture excuse anyway, with a clear visor. A full face helmet with clear visor will give a better view of the face that someone wearing sunglasses.

[SARGE]

But, but, but, I have always understood that Sarge was a foul dirty thing. And bad tempered too. So why does he not need to be covered from the eyes of pure virtuous men (like me)

mean as a snake ... you forgot mean as a snake....


A full face helmet with clear visor will give a better view of the face that someone wearing sunglasses.

i did have my Oakley's on..

[John Banks]

But, but, but, I have always understood that Sarge was a foul dirty thing. And bad tempered too. So why does he not need to be covered from the eyes of pure virtuous men (like me)

That's why he has a helmet, natch.

[slowpoke]

Fuggin' good point Sarge.

Why does religion deserve special treatment? Religion is an integral part of some losers lives, just as motorcycling is an integral part of the lives of more elevated life forms. (Religious motorcyclists are a sub-species of the more elevated lifeforms).

Surely in an enlightened society the rights of the society should outweigh the rights of the individual. If society as a whole is better off for a certain action then the rights of the individual assume less importance. Meaning that if motorcyclists are obliged to remove their helmets for identification purposes then EVERYONE should have to remove face coverings for identification purposes.

Hey I know, how about women in burkha, chador etc be made to reveal their faces on the proviso that WE WON"T LOOK. You know, like when your MUM pestered you as a young 'un for your new phone number and you only gave it to her on the proviso that she never, EVER rang it.

[SARGE]

That's why he has a helmet, natch.

piss off...

im a FOX!!

[John Banks]

piss off...

im a FOX!!

:gob:

You know, I think you're giving burkas too hard a time... it could be a good look for you.:dodge:

[SixPackBack]

Removal of a helmet is a quick and simple thing to do. I know you yanks are slower than the rest of the world (yes EVEN slower than aussies.)

The question is not, "why should I remove my helmet" but "why should I not remove my helmet".

Don't like it? Dont shop there. Efpos at pump. Or go to another station, ive never had any problems with wearing a helmet at a gas station.

renegade master please explain how Sarge's nationality has any bearing on his actions?

[WINJA]

It Is A Double Standard Sarge , Call Their Head Office And Make A Big Deal About It, Its Bull Shit That A Sand Niger Can Use Religon To Get Away With Something You Cant , Should Be One Rule For All And If You Dont Like It Fuck Off Back To Your Own Shit Hole (thats Her Sarge Not You)

[The Pastor]

renegade master please explain how Sarge's nationality has any bearing on his actions?



Yanks are stupid people.

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Enough said.

[KATWYN]

Well considering motorcyclists are less llikely to be psycho/"passionate" enough to
fly planes into buildings.... Helmet v burka (it could have been Osama
hiding under the sheet for all we know)

I think that pump boy was a bit over the top.
The power of his position was going to his head a bit that day perhaps?

[SlashWylde]

Sarge, I normally don't agree with your politics, but for what it's worth, in this case I aggree with the point you were trying to make to the counter jockey in the store.

[SlashWylde]

Yanks are stupid people. Enough said.


Some of the most interesting and friendly people I've met have been Americans.

But then I could say the same of Chinese, Phillipinos, Tongans, Russians, South Africans, Iraqis.......

[Fub@r]

This isn't the first example of different treatment towards woman that wear a burkha.

Early last year?there was a guy on trial and his wife was a witness and there was a big stink made about her wearing a burkha in court as "you can't see your accuser"

Also I'm pretty sure that they do your drivers license photo whilst wearing a burkha........which defeats the purpose of a photo in the first place and also how do you know that the person standing in the burkha is the one that is actually the person specified on the license.

[Squeak the Rat]

You are all now ordained in the First Church of the Motorcycle.

Commandment #1: You are forbidden to remove your helmet while at petrol stations.


More to follow.

Bishop Squeak the Rat.

[Matt Bleck]

piss off...

im a FOX!!

I can see why you kept ya helmet on.....

[jonbuoy]

Yanks are stupid people.


Enough said.

Knob end. 10 Chars

[SARGE]

It Fuck Off Back To Your Own Shit Hole (thats Her Sarge Not You)

Geeze Winja .. i think thats the nicest thing you have ever said to me ( or anyone come to think of it ...)



Knob end. 10 Chars

jonbuoy.. i wouldnt worry too much about RM.. i dont .. i just consider the source and work backwards from there .. :whocares:


he is just having a nasty reaction to his acne medicine...

one of these days he will run his suck and someone will assist him in changing his attitude...

[carver]

i wear a open face, i only take that off when entering a store, not a gas station.
could work for you sarge.

[SARGE]

i wear a open face, i only take that off when entering a store, not a gas station.
could work for you sarge.



thats kinda not the point i was trying to make Carver.. i dont mind removing my helmet at all..i was in a bit of a hurry that day and the minimum wage dickhead made a stink about it all the while giving someone who was less visible than i preferencial treatment ..

and i NEVER pass up an opportunity to stir shit and ruin a douchebag's day...

[Squeak the Rat]

i wear a open face, i only take that off when entering a store, not a gas station.
could work for you sarge. But it's the principle, man.

Sarge, go back to the same gas station with a burkha on under your helmet. If you get told that men don't wear burkhas quote some gobshite made-up section of the koran and threaten jihad on his arse. :ar15:

I'm with you - whoever robs a petrol station wearing a burkha will be doing us all a favour.

[carver]

thats kinda not the point i was trying to make Carver.. i dont mind removing my helmet at all..i was in a bit of a hurry that day and the minimum wage dickhead made a stink about it all the while giving someone who was less visible than i preferencial treatment ..

and i NEVER pass up an opportunity to stir shit and ruin a douchebag's day...

i know dude, but i think that there aint much you can do, i have never had this problem at a gas station, but now that i know many of the "drones" that serve me on a personal level i can even ride off and pay later because i forgot my wallet.
standoff's never really solve anything..bit like the cold war:innocent:

[SARGE]

But it's the principle, man.

Sarge, go back to the same gas station with a burkha on under your helmet. If you get told that men don't wear burkhas quote some gobshite made-up section of the koran and threaten jihad on his arse. :ar15:

I'm with you - whoever robs a petrol station wearing a burkha will be doing us all a favour.



im pretty sure he would have been pretty familliar with the Koran..

[insane1]

they come here and want to use there laws in this country well why dont they fuck off back where they came from why doesnt someone just tell them to their face take the fuckin thin off or i will rip it off.think this has something to do with sharia law or such.for all we know burkas =terrorist ?.

[SARGE]

they come here and want to use there laws in this country well why dont they fuck off back where they came from why doesnt someone just tell them to their face take the fuckin thin off or i will rip it off.think this has something to do with sharia law or such.for all we know burkas =terrorist ?.



dont forget Dave .. there ARE some Kiwi Born Muslim Women.. fucking back of to where they come from might just be Epsom and that wouldnt solve anything .. i think this is going to take a grass roots protest .. i thik if something like that happens and the media picks up on it the NZ public will fall behind the biker for the most part..

[insane1]

to true but dont you think there should be one law for all not one for them and one for us and you going riding anywhere today i fell i need a blast somewhere.what if a lot of us turn up at said gas station just to scare the shit out of said person .

[SARGE]

to true but dont you think there should be one law for all not one for them and one for us and you going riding anywhere today i fell i need a blast somewhere.what if a lot of us turn up at said gas station just to scare the shit out of said person .

prolly not going out today.. getting the FJ apart in the driveway after the NASCAR replay for some much needed TLC

[SpankMe]

I always wear my helmet when I go into pay for gas and I've never been asked to take my helmet off. I think the guy was just being a prick about it because he could.

What gas station was it?

[Jantar]

Sometimes I remove my helmet, sometimes I don't. But I have never been asked to remove my helmet, and like Sarge, if it ever is demanded of me then I shall refuse on religious grounds.

The first article of the the motorcycling religion is ATGATT (All The Gear, All The Time).

[SARGE]

I always wear my helmet when I go into pay for gas and I've never been asked to take my helmet off. I think the guy was just being a prick about it because he could.

What gas station was it?

the new Mobile on Dominion by the Burger King

[crashe]

yea right .. im a white guy who speaks fluent english...
i'd end up the one arrested and sued



Nah mate you are a white guy that speaks fluent AMERICAN........ :whistle:

oh mate we dont get sued here in NZ...
You should know this, you have been here in NZ long enough to know that :whistle:











(pt)

[SARGE]

Nah mate you are a white guy that speaks fluent AMERICAN........ :whistle:

oh mate we dont get sued here in NZ...
You should know this, you have been here in NZ long enough to know that :whistle:
(pt)

right .. i forgot .. you can actually UNDERSTAND me ...

[ManDownUnder]

one of these days he will run his suck and someone will assist him in changing his attitude...

Why do I have a feeling that person might be ex US Military?

[carver]

the new Mobile on Dominion by the Burger King

one thing to remember.
the mobil is private property, they can do what they choose, and you can too, by not buying anything from there and "boycotting" it if you can find the popular support, or complain to the owner.
it could work out for you.

[SARGE]

Why do I have a feeling that person might be ex US Military?


2 things..


he's not worth the $2 for the bullet..
you are NEVER "EX" US Military...

[ManDownUnder]

2 things..

he's not worth the $2 for the bullet..
you are NEVER "EX" US Military...

LOL... re the $2... that's not my way at all...

And as for ex military, live and learn. Point taken
MDU

[ManDownUnder]

one thing to remember.
the mobil is private property, they can do what they choose, and you can too, by not buying anything from there and "boycotting" it if you can find the popular support, or complain to the owner.
it could work out for you.

You're right, but someone in front of you with a helmet on, fuel in their tank and cash in their hand offering it to you is a strange time to pull rank.

I'm personally a fan of natural justice, (or outcomes)... and if Sarge was unable to be served until he took his lid off, the only outcome would have to be to take the fuel back out of his tank.

Pain in the arse of a job... but if that's what the guy wanted then I'd be more than happy to let him arrange it. He'd need to prove to me there was just as much fuel left in the tank at the end too.

But ... it's his call.

[Ixion]

one thing to remember.
the mobil is private property, they can do what they choose, and you can too, by not buying anything from there and "boycotting" it if you can find the popular support, or complain to the owner.
it could work out for you.


Not entirely. That would be true if they elected not to supply fuel to motorcyclists at all, unless they removed their helmets

But in this case Mr Sarge had fuelled up , and was endeavouring to pay. They made acceptance of his payment subject to a condition that had not been advised at the time of the contract.

Mr Sarge proferred payment for the goods . They refused to take it. I'd have ridden off.

Put the subject into a non biker context. How about a chick goes in and the guy says he won't serve her unless she takes her top off? Does it being private property oblige her to take it off? Same thing I reckon.

[Squeak the Rat]

Depends if there was a no-helmet sign on the forecourt, and likewise a no-blouse sign. Such a sign would constitute a condition of contract (assuming it was in a visible place).

A lot of petrol stations have no-helmet signs, most people don't pay any attention to them. If there was such a sign I don't think the cops would be too lenient on someone riding away without paying.

[carver]

Not entirely. That would be true if they elected not to supply fuel to motorcyclists at all, unless they removed their helmets

But in this case Mr Sarge had fuelled up , and was endeavouring to pay. They made acceptance of his payment subject to a condition that had not been advised at the time of the contract.

Mr Sarge proferred payment for the goods . They refused to take it. I'd have ridden off.

Put the subject into a non biker context. How about a chick goes in and the guy says he won't serve her unless she takes her top off? Does it being private property oblige her to take it off? Same thing I reckon.

hmm.yes, i do see your point, but now they suffer the loss of mr sarge not shopping there, but i do consider it rude and strange to refuse payment. i too would have ridden off, once again their loss.

[Marmoot]

.....
i just think it is a damn shame that one segment of the population gets special treatment..



Yea Sarge. My thoughts exactly too.

If we're allowed to wear helmets then these people should be allowed to wear burqas as well.

I'm sick of special treatments.

Any of you remember which politician was it a few months ago that wanted to ban burqas while driving? He might have helmets on his agenda too. Bastards.....

[The Pastor]

Geeze Winja .. i think thats the nicest thing you have ever said to me ( or anyone come to think of it ...)




jonbuoy.. i wouldnt worry too much about RM.. i dont .. i just consider the source and work backwards from there .. :whocares:


he is just having a nasty reaction to his acne medicine...

one of these days he will run his suck and someone will assist him in changing his attitude...


Did you watch the video?

[WarlockNZ]

You are all now ordained in the First Church of the Motorcycle.

Commandment #1: You are forbidden to remove your helmet while at petrol stations.


More to follow.

Bishop Squeak the Rat.

Sweet !! .. when do we get membership cards, that'll fuck em. LOL, "but it is my religion, see!!":rockon:

[Michaelt]

he's not worth the $2 for the bullet..


$2? You're either shopping in the wrong place, or using the wrong gun.

[SARGE]

$2? You're either shopping in the wrong place, or using the wrong gun.


mate .. where i come from... you shoot anyone with anything less than a .45.. you're just gonna piss em off...

and anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice..

[Street Gerbil]

Shit.. .[...]guys dont wear burka things aye... lol...
Actually some of them do (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg).



"how come SHE can do it???"

"its a religious matter sir"
[...]
can anyone explain to me how this is fair?
Ok, guys, let's try another angle. The pakistani guy obviously has certain experience dealing with moslem ladies.
Perhaps he figured that Sarge wearing a helmet and the aforementioned lady not wearing a bourka are equally scary. May it be that he decided not to enforce the anti-face-cover regulation out of pure humanism?


I always wear my helmet when paying for gas
I tried not to remove the goggles (I wear a motocross helmet) when paying for the gas. Alas, the response was, "howdy mate good to see ya again". Obviously I picked the wrong gas station.

[Scouse]

i took the Flying Pig up to get some gas at the Mobile on Dominion & Mt. Albert today ( since i couldnt make it to Kumeu..).. mmmmm 98 octane...

anyhoo...all i needed was a pack of smokes and pay for my gas and i was outie.. i didnt bother to remove my helmet and one glove .. i walked in and there was this black ghost in a Burka and her pack of kids in the store.. full face Burka mind you...

i walked up to the counter and asked for a pack of smokes and the minimum wage drone behind the counter (quoting now ..) said..


" i will not serve you unless you remove your helmet.."you should have said back to it "hey forign c#$t dont talk to me like that in my F#$king country" Oh sorry just rememberd your not from these here parts Sarge

[jimbo600]

2 things..


he's not worth the $2 for the bullet..
you are NEVER "EX" US Military...


$2 for a bullet? Jeez man you being ripped.

Well bring on the Holy war I say. I'm tooled up ready to rock and roll.

[Michaelt]

mate .. where i come from... you shoot anyone with anything less than a .45.. you're just gonna piss em off...

and anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice..

Oh, handguns.

Not many of those used for problem-solving in NZ.

[far queue]

Oh, handguns.Not neccesarily - The Thompson Sub Machine Gun was .45


Not many of those used for problem-solving in NZ.Other than Ronald Jorgenson in the 1963 Basset Road machine gun murders. Quite effective I would say.

[scumdog]

It is a double standard, but how often are burkas used in robberies compared to motorcycle helmets?

When was the last time ANYBODY wore a m/c helmet while robbing any business (let alone a gas station)?????????

[scumdog]

Sometimes I remove my helmet, sometimes I don't. But I have never been asked to remove my helmet, and like Sarge, if it ever is demanded of me then I shall refuse on religious grounds.

The first article of the the motorcycling religion is ATGATT (All The Gear, All The Time).

I'm with you Jantar, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, NEVER been asked to yet...