What should you do if there is an intruder in your home?

[Squeak the Rat]

A couple of recent threads have got me thinking. If there's some one in your house or stealing your bike etc, what do you do? You can't count on the cops turning up, and even though most peoples initial response is to smash the fecker you'll just end up getting charged unless you are smart or lucky or both.

So here are the options:


Call the cops. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha fuck thats funny.
Shoot / bash / stab / smash the bastard. Then decide if you like playing the mummy or the daddy with your new cell mate Bubba.
Engage in a fair bout of fistycuffs because you don't want to be done for murder or GBH. Then watch the world fade to black as you get your head kicked in.
Cower in fear unarmed and hope he goes away to terrorise another family.


As far as I can work out, option 4 is the one the cops think we should do. Sad.

[SARGE]

A couple of recent threads have got me thinking. If there's some one in your house or stealing your bike etc, what do you do? You can't count on the cops turning up, and even though most peoples initial response is to smash the fecker you'll just end up getting charged unless you are smart or lucky or both.

So here are the options:



Shoot / bash / stab / smash the bastard.







in the US .. if you are in the home and someone breaks in and you feel you or your family is in danger...


drop his ass..

unfortunatly.. here in the Land of the Long White *mumble*...

( i collect Medieval swords..........)

[carver]

how about threaten the bastard?:mad:

[u4ea]

i would keep all my lights off as i know my house better than an intruder(i would hope)then sneak up and give em one good whack round the back of the head with my gun butt......no barrel dam it.............and then hope my dog got off the couch.............

[SARGE]

we could call Finn and his mate......

[Smorg]

we could call Finn and his mate......

then they can spray paint him to death?

[Squeak the Rat]

how about threaten the bastard?:mad:

And if they are amped up on P & carrying a knife and they decide to accept your challenge then you have lost the element of surprise and you will probably be visiting the hospital very shortly.

Probably the best insurance is to get the name of a really good defense lawyer....

[Ixion]

Never make a threat in such circumstances that you are not able and willing to carry through with. Without hesitation or trepidation.

[MSTRS]

Offer to have Bubba board with you, and let him deal with it??

[carver]

And if they are amped up on P & carrying a knife and they decide to accept your challenge then you have lost the element of surprise and you will probably be visiting the hospital very shortly.

Probably the best insurance is to get the name of a really good defense lawyer....

depends on how you threaten, hold a gun to his knee...my personal fav would be to capture him, then justice is up to you...no one is going to know, you dont tell ppl when your going to invade a house do you?
I have heard of people doing this...

[SARGE]

depends on how you threaten, hold a gun to his knee...my personal fav would be to capture him, then justice is up to you...no one is going to know, you dont tell ppl when your going to invade a house do you?
I have heard of people doing this...



yea .. there is a LOT of really deep water around these parts .... :whistle:

[Aero165]

Kinda like that story up in auckland of the guy who was working at the gun shop while someone tried to rob the place. He shot the bastard... It makes you wonder what people are thinking while they walk into a store that sells rifles, pistols, knives and ammo with the intention of robbing it.

[Swoop]

we could call Finn and his mate......
What? And have someone blab to the ecilops what they just did???:(

[Filterer]

depends on how you threaten, hold a gun to his knee...my personal fav would be to capture him, then justice is up to you...no one is going to know, you dont tell ppl when your going to invade a house do you?
I have heard of people doing this...

Maybe its time to start building a cage in the basement me thinks:2thumbsup

[SARGE]

Maybe its time to start building a cage in the basement me thinks:2thumbsup

hey great idea ..


i can build one to fit nicely in the pit i already have down there ..

( it puts lotion on its skin!!!!)

[Maverick]

*...

( i collect Medieval swords..........)

Really? Real ones or Replicas? I used to do a lot of medieval stunt fighting myself

[SARGE]

Really? Real ones or Replicas? I used to do a lot of medieval stunt fighting myself

i was a member of the SCA back in the States when i was in Uni..
we used to do Ren-faires every year...


couldnt afford the antique real ones but the ones i have are NOT decorative and a few of them have accidentally slipped down the wall and fallen on a whetstone.. :whistle:

nothing like being suprised by a naked 120 kg crazy man weilding a battle axe to fuck up your P buzz

[McJim]

I play golf. I keep a spare putter in my bedroom - it has an oversized head.

How can the cops arrest me for attacking this guy if he never gets found and never has the chance to tell anyone? They would surely have to know a crime had been commited first.....

[Finn]

You can't live in fear and the chances of a home invasion are very slim but possible.

However, if this really concerns you, first you need to develop at tactical strategy should this event take place. Given NZ's criminals are the victim mentality, your options are limited.

1) First off preventive measures are key - security.
2) If security is compromised, what is the threat? How many & do they have weapons?
3) Given not many NZ households carry weapons, you need to develop and exit strategy which may be difficult if you have a family spread throughout the house. Act fast.
4) Always have your mobile beside your bed and call the cops straight away. Sometimes writing tickets can be a bit boring and they long for a bit of action. Use your mobile just in case you need to hide when calling the cops. The first thing you need to provide the police is your address as they don't have that info from mobiles. Speak clearly and try not to get emotional. If you're caught by the intruders try and conceal the phone with in still connected.
5) If you're confronted and not trained in arm to arm combat, you don't have any weapons and you don't think you can take them on then you need to submit and provide the intruders with a reward of some sort. Have your car keys ready and some cash. (this is what they do in Brasil). You need to co-operate.
6) If it turns violent, don't be afraid to use your wife or girlfriend during confrontation. Tell her one of the intruders called her fat. You'll be surprised at the results.

Remember if you do have weapons and feel you and your family are at real risk of violence then use them but don't fuck around. Go postal. You need to show them that you are crazier than they are.

I don't think any jury on the island will convict you. However, the police and justice system will put you through the process which could cost you a lot of money and time.

[The_Dover]

I'll let Vicky sort them out.

[Finn]

I'll let Vicky sort them out.

See point 6.

[McJim]

I'll let Vicky sort them out.

You're too fuggen cruel man!

[placidfemme]

That is a hard question, and I think Finn has given one of the best answers yet (yay Finn!)

So different to back in Zim... Just kill them... no problems. But in NZ the crims have more rights than the victim.

I have no idea what I'd do if someone broke into our place...

[Drunken Monkey]

Really? Real ones or Replicas? I used to do a lot of medieval stunt fighting myself

Replicas can still be functional, it's decorative pieces you have to be wary of. The look on people's faces when the sharp bit flies off during a bout of silly buggers and they're left with a rat-tail in their hands - classic.

Cold steel do some reasonable quality functional cutters from various different eras and cultures.

[Fishy]

I've been in this situation a couple of times.

Once when I was living in a double garage converted to a large bedroom and I heard someone walking around the outside and then the door started handle going. I quietly got up out of bed and grabbed my hatchet which is always located under my bed, I went up to the door they were trying and opened it up real fast and shouted COME ON MOTHER F*CKERS!!! there were 2 of them both maori's, they absolutely shit themselves and ran like bitches so I chased them for a while down the street. Never saw them again.

Another time I was in the kitchen at my old house and could hear some noises outside (Which is where a mate of mine has his very highly modded car parked). I grabbed my ali baseball bat and turned the ouside light on and run out towards the car. There were 3 guys running towards the back fence so again at the top of my lungs shouted some kind words and ran towards them, the first two had made it over the fence and the last one was nearing the top of it. I threw the bat at the guy and it hit him in the back and knocked him off the fence over the other side. They all ran like bitches shouting shit out as they were running away.

Now I have guns instead, although I do still like my bat and hatchet and also have a full sized axe which I would one day use if I have the chance. If anyone comes onto my property and thinks they are gonna get away with it they can think again. I will not hesitate to shoot anyone who threatens or endangers my or my family. The bullets will drop them and then I will feed them to the pigs.

[Maverick]

At last count I had,
1 x Carbon Steel longsword
1 x Carbon Steel Bastard sword
1 x 6ft Bullwhip
1 x 10ft Bullwhip
1 x Pair of Sai
1 x 7" Hunting knife
1 x Bokken
1 x Air rifle
1 x Hanbo

Oh the choices.... :spanking:

[McJim]

endangers my or my family. The bullets will drop them and then I will feed them to the pigs.

Someone been watching Snatch?

Oi Brick Top!

If I get into that situation will PM you to borrow said pigs for the clean up - cheers.

[outlawtorn]

if there is only one of them you kick shit out of him, you really fuck him up badly, and I mean badly, this bastard will have to learn a hard lesson, no doubt you'll a few bruises and scrapes in the process, but the goal would to knock the person out, then go to the kitchen, get a big ass knife and put it in his hands, make sure he puts his prints all over it, go so far as to even cut yourself on your arms somewhere.

Who will the cops believe?

[Fishy]

Someone been watching Snatch?

Oi Brick Top!

If I get into that situation will PM you to borrow said pigs for the clean up - cheers.

Snatch?

Pigs eat everything except teeth. For that I have an offel hole.

[Lias]

Shoot / bash / stab / smash the bastard.

Wait and see if anyone noticed.. Was there yelling and screaming? If there was call the cops and deal with the fallout, if there wasnt just bury the fucker.

[Squeak the Rat]

Someone been watching Snatch?

The best movie disposal was the wood chipper scene in Fargo. :lol:

[Colapop]

Even a guy on P goes to the deck if you kick him in the nuts. Personally, I don't mind intruders they're welcome at my place...

[Steam]

You should drive it round and round the lounge! Brrrmm Brrmmm! I would have thought somebody would have already pointed this out?

[Bend-it]

I was looking for a semi-auto .44magnum carbine just for such a purpose and stumbled on a 7.62mm semi-auto SKS which would do the job nicely as well...

However, I think the plod might take a more liberal view on using the semi-auto air rifle... How many slugs in the face you reckon it'll take to drop someone? I have 12 per mag... :banana:

Plus... errr... I shouldn't air all my secrets on an internet forum eh?

Watch it, you teen crim scum who might be reading this, NZers are armed and happy to use them...

[Flatcap]

One option missing was to sit the intruder down and discuss his disadvantaged upbringing, the abuse he has experienced, and his related substance addiction. Its not all about revenge, the intruder is a victim as well...

[Dooly]

One option missing was to sit the intruder down and discuss his disadvantaged upbringing, the abuse he has experienced, and his related substance addiction. Its not all about revenge, the intruder is a victim as well...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm sure he'll turn the page, and make a new start to his life.

[Drunken Monkey]

This:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Rifles/auction-70386311.htm

Is the f'n business. And this:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Shotguns/auction-70474705.htm

is for backup.

[SARGE]

This:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Rifles/auction-70386311.htm

Is the f'n business. And this:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Shotguns/auction-70474705.htm

is for backup.



god those*uhhhh* are *ngk* swee*ahhh*t

shotgun fo sho

[Bend-it]

Actually, I'd have the shotgun up first, while they're in the house and up close. Nothing like yelling a warning then raking the shotgun for intimidation.

The rifle for more distance work as they're running away... With the scope, you'd be able to take knees out up to 100m away... :ar15:

[Patrick]

Your home is your castle... defend it vigorously.

It all comes down to self defence and reasonableness...

If you felt threatened under the circumstances, go hard.

Haven't had to charge anyone as described, in post #1. Won't take a complaint from the shithead either as REAL justice has been done. Had one come in last week, saying they broke in and got hit with a baseball bat and then got locked up for breaking in too, he now wanted to complain about being assaulted with a weapon... Last saw him flying out the front doors after he was told to leave the station and wouldn't...:whistle:

[Lissa]

If I heard someone in the house and if I was alone, I would prob just scream then throw my cat at the intruder... shes mean. :cool:

[SARGE]

Actually, I'd have the shotgun up first, while they're in the house and up close. Nothing like yelling a warning then raking the shotgun for intimidation.

The rifle for more distance work as they're running away... With the scope, you'd be able to take knees out up to 100m away... :ar15:

screw intimidation..he's threatening your family


lock and load before confronting .. yell FREEZE!!! FREEZE!!! FREEZE!!! and light him up without waiting for a response

[cowpoos]

I'll let Vicky sort them out.

that will only confuse them for a moment....till they get sick of trying to work out what the hell she's trying to say....

[u4ea]

One option missing was to sit the intruder down and discuss his disadvantaged upbringing, the abuse he has experienced, and his related substance addiction. Its not all about revenge, the intruder is a victim as well...

is this a sick joke?????????????

[35tickets]

read the posts all good advice too....

My advice if you can get the drop on them (ie shoot the motherfuckers fucking dead!!!!) then shoot them first and then put a couple of shots into the wall (assume you have a firearm and know which end the bullets come out)

"hey sorry officer i was trying to stop him but he kept coming at me and he wouldn't listen"

Afterall whats a dead fuck gonna say

But then it'll end up like that farmer up north who shot that maori trying to steal his quad bike the farmer up to the shit with legal fees while the other bloke walks around scot free....we live in a bullshit country where the crims get better looked after than the general public its fucking shits me!!!!

[DMNTD]

screw intimidation..he's threatening your family
Totally agree man...batter up I say. Done it before and wouldn't hessitate again.



lock and load before confronting .. yell FREEZE!!! FREEZE!!! FREEZE!!! and light him up without waiting for a response
Just don't forget...shoot one in the roof too

[Swoop]

is this a sick joke?????????????

It is a very relevant post on the state of New Zealand and the political correctness overtaking the country.

[cowpoos]

So different to back in Zim... Just kill them... no problems. But in NZ the crims have more rights than the victim.

fuck yes they do....I was mugged but two guys a while ago and defended my self well....with a "its them or me" mentality....I was charged and convicted of assault...causing injury or some shit...and was punished with comunity service...my lawyer just said...its just the way things are!

which is fuckin bullshit...its just not good enough!

[Bend-it]

You sure it wasn't YOU who was trying to mug the 2 guys?

[SARGE]

You sure it wasn't YOU who was trying to mug the 2 guys?

the funny thing about it was when the cops got there .. they were both wearing sheepskins and their assholes hurt :buggerd:

[cowpoos]

You sure it wasn't YOU who was trying to mug the 2 guys?


the funny thing about it was when the cops got there .. they were both wearing sheepskins and their assholes hurt :buggerd:

well acctually no....I didn't and still don't find the whole thing very amusing

[Hoon]

A few good answers and a few stupid ones too.

It really depends on what the intruders are after. If its property then they can have it - thats what I pay insurance for. Its not worth risking myself or family for something that can be easily replaced.

However if they are there to cause me or my family harm then its a different story. In such a situation you have to make sure you act within the law otherwise you could end up being locked away or at best face a lengthy and expensive legal battle. There are ways to acheive the desired effect without stepping over the line.

OK I would pick up my rifle which I just so happened to be cleaning at the time when I heard a disturbance and did not want to leave unattended.
Upon confronting the intruder I would warn them to leave or I will call the police.
If they desist, I would warn them again bringing the rifle into the shoulder (assuming they are armed).
If they still desist, I would fire a warning shot and warn them again.
If they still desist, I would retreat until my back was against the wall and then let them have it.
Once they go down I would restrain them (if nesc), apply immediate medical aid and dial 111.

You can't shoot them in the back or while running away, you'll get locked up for that. Also you can chase them off your property but you can't go running down the street after them with an axe - you'll get locked away for that too.

[SARGE]

well acctually no....I didn't and still don't find the whole thing very amusing



hell Poos.. im actually quite shocked they let you off so light ..

you violated the poor dear's civil rights, you were culturally insensitive and you interfered with their ability to earn a living..


good boy..:2thumbsup

[SwanTiger]

Firstly I'd offer them a cup of coffee and a biscut.

I'd piss in the coffee and not tell them until after they'd had a few sips, then I would mention it as they are eating a piece of the biscut. At which time they will begin to choke on the biscut and try to spit the coffee out of their mouth.

While they are choking I would call an ambulance and say "I have a friend over, we were having tea and biscuts and he choked on a biscut, help". The ambulance would come and find the burglar passed out and pronouce him dead.

Then the Police come and its hunky dory.

[Macktheknife]

First let me say I have been burgled 4 times, 2 times I was nowhere near when it happened
I had the experience a few years ago of coming home to find a couple of drugged out losers in my place, one was very fast in leaving, the other was almost quick enough. Gotcha.
I called the cops and advised them 1 in custody, while talking he broke free and I had to drop the phone to get him again, police arrived in 4 mins. He was in poor shape when they arrived, having fallen over during the struggle several times. They were very understanding, and spoke righteously with the individual, while assisting him into the wallway and down some stairs to the vehicle.:spanking: :whistle:
They apparently got his friend later on as well.
I heard nothing more about the condition of the individual on arrest.
On a second occasion I was too late to catch the buggers, but I did hit one of them in the back with a convenient rock from the garden. He would have felt that one for a few days.
If they came into my house while I am home now, then I would do everything in my ability to ensure I removed the threat they pose to me and my family, then give whatever is left to the police. Read the law on self defence people, know your rights and live up to them.

[ManDownUnder]

Totally agree man...batter up I say. Done it before and wouldn't hessitate again.

Yup - I'm there too.

My first requirement if my family to be safe. end of story - no questions entertained. If I can do that by non confrtontational means I see that as the way to go, but if they're in my face I'll esclate it as much as I'm capable of.

And yes - I am reasonably good shot.


Just don't forget...shoot one in the roof too

Bugger that. I'm happy to have no pretences about what I did. Just because the law does the wrong thing doesn't mean I have to. Possibly a little too idealistic but hey... who am I kidding?

[SARGE]

very interesting article....


DEFENSE, SELF-DEFENSE - A defense to certain criminal charges involving force (e.g. murder).

Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances.

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.

The Right To Protect One's Person And Property From Injury.

It will be proper to consider: 1. The extent of the right of self-defence. 2. By whom it may be exercised. 3. Against whom. 4. For what causes.

As to the extent of the right: First, when threatened violence exists, it is the duty of the person threatened to use all prudent and precautionary measures to prevent the attack; for example, if by closing a door which was usually left open, one could prevent an attack, it would be prudent, and perhaps the law might require, that it should be closed in order to preserve the peace, and the aggressor might in such case be held to bail for his good behaviour. Secondly, if after having taken such proper precautions, a party should be assailed, he may undoubtedly repel force by force, but in most instances cannot, under the pretext that he has been attacked, use force enough to kill the assailant or hurt him after he has secured himself from danger; such as if a person unarmed enters a house to commit a larceny, while there he does not threaten any one, nor does any act which manifests an intention to hurt any one, and there are a number of persons present who may easily secure him, no one will be justifiable to do him any injury, much less to kill him; he ought to be secured and delivered to the public authorities. But when an attack is made by a thief under such circumstances, and it is impossible to ascertain to what extent he may push it, the law does not requite the party assailed to weigh with great nicety the probable extent of the attack, and he may use the most violent means against his assailant, even to the taking of his life. For homicide may be excused where a man has no other probable means of preserving his life from one who attacks him while in the commission of a felony, or even on a sudden quarrel he beats him, so that he is reduced to this inevitable necessity. And the reason is that when so reduced, he cannot call to his aid the power of society or of the commonwealth, and being unprotected by law, he reassumes his natural rights which the law sanctions, of killing his adversary to protect himself.

The party attacked may undoubtedly defend himself, and the law further sanctions the mutual and reciprocal defence of such as stand in the near relations of hushand and wife, patent and child, and master and servant. In these cases, if the party himself or any of these his relations, be forcibly attacked in their person or property, it is lawful for him to repel force by force, for the law in these cases respects the passions of the human mind, and makes it lawful in him, when external violence is offered to himself, or to those to whom he bears so near a connexion, to do that immediate justice to which he is prompted by nature, and which no prudential motives are strong enough to restrain.

The party making the attack may be resisted, and if several persons join in such attack they may all be resisted, and one may be killed although he may not himself have given the immediate cause for such killing, if by his presence and his acts he has aided the assailant.

The cases for which a man may defend himself are of two kinds; first, when a felony is attempted, and secondly, when no felony is attempted or apprehended.

1st. A man may defend himself and even commit a homicide for the prevention of any forcible and atrocious crime, which if completed would amount to a felony; and of course under the like circumstances, mayhem, wounding and battery would be excusable at common law. A man may repel force by force in defence of his person, property or habitation, against any one who manifests, intends, attempts, or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a forcible felony, such as murder, rape, robbery, arson, burglary and the like. In these cases he is not required to retreat, but he may resist and even pursue his adversary, until he has secured himself from all danger.

2d. A man may defend himself when no felony has been threatened or attempted: 1. When the assailant attempts to beat another and there is no mutual combat, such as where one meets another and attempts to commit or does commit an assault and battery on him, the person attacked may defend himself, and; 2. An attempt to strike another, when sufficiently near so that that there is danger, the person assailed may strike first, and is not required to wait until he has been struck.

When there is a mutual combat upon a sudden quarrel both parties are the aggressors, and if in the fight one is killed it will be manslaughter at least, unless the survivor can prove two things: 1st. That before the mortal stroke was given be had refused any further combat, and had retreated as far as he could with safety; and 2d. That he killed his adversary from necessity, to avoid his own destruction.

A man may defend himself against animals, and he may during the attack kill them, but not afterwards.

As a general rule no man is allowed to defend himself with force if he can apply to the law for redress, and the law gives him a complete remedy.
--b--

[Drunken Monkey]

My understanding is warning shots should be avoided where possible. For example, the Police shooting guidelines (UK) states:

Officers should not fire warning shots except in "most serious and exceptional" circumstances

I don't know what the psycology is behind it though, typically people perceive it as a demonstration of power before hostilities increase. I would guess warning shots are not recommended on the basis of "don't threaten to shoot unless you fully intend to go ahead and do so" - theoretically pointing a firearm at someone and exclaiming that you will shoot should be enough.

Anyone know more on the subject?

[Bend-it]

Well, for a weapon that needs to be cocked after firing, that time in between the warning shot and being ready for the actual shot could prove critical.

Also, rifle bullets easily penetrate walls, and could hit anyone behind it. An unfortunately placed warning shot could result in more problems, especially in a residential area or apartments!

[SARGE]

there seems to be alot of discussion about actually putting bullets in a human being ..

now i am not saying that it is necessarily a bad thing, dependant on the circumstances of course... BUT ..

how many of you have actually done it?.. i mean up close and personal..

fact is that 99% of people who point a gun in your direction will not have the fortitude to actually pull the trigger.. and 99% of the ones that DO pull the trigger will completely miss due to combat stress.. and 99% of those who miss will have the weapon taken away and used against them. Combat shooting is alot different than plinking cans off the back fence

i HAVE fired a weapon at a human being .. i did not miss.. BUT i was highly trained and conditioned to do just that ..


its not something you will ever forget having to do..unless you are prepared for the aftermath its just bravado

[Kwaka14]

I woke up early in the morning a couple of months ago to my dogs going off and looked out the kitchen window to see someone sitting on my bike, needless to say I yelled out and chased the @#$@ down the road while hitting him a couple of times with a piece of timber lying in my carport, I had just stopped chasing him when a car pulled up and picked him, I was lucky I think that I had stopped as there were a few passengers in the car who would have sorted me out I think if I'd still been there.... I was lucky about a few things, The dogs came with me, there was only one person out at the bike, and that I had stopped before the guy was picked up... Someone in my house I have no idea what I'd do.....

[Bend-it]

i HAVE fired a weapon at a human being .. i did not miss.. BUT i was highly trained and conditioned to do just that ..


Baby killer!!!

Or did you miss? ;)

[SARGE]

Baby killer!!!

Or did you miss? ;)

nope .....

[candor]

Set mean booby traps - giant mousetraps. Then let the pet leopard take care of all the evidence. Continue as usual.

But seriously. If you know gangs they can be more effective than the other.

But my true recommendation is keeping a weapon handy, then blow their kneecaps off, then offer the cup of tea (it helps shock if heavily sugared). I really think shoot to kill is a bit extreme. These crims can have productive lives in wheelchairs packing Xmas cards!

[Ixion]

Well, for my own part, I am of course a frail and peaceable old man.

Naturally if intruders broke into my home I would be completely terrified and in fear of my life.

I would attempt to run away of course, but being old I can't run very fast.

So I would probably have to end up defending myself , to the best of my obviously very limited ability, using whatever household implements or ornaments come to hand. Of course I would not have any weapons around, being a peaceable person.

Perhaps I might be able to seize a pitchfork, the one I was using earlier in the garden. Being an old man I like to keep my tools in good order, clean and properly sharpened , a good tradesman never has blunt tools. A pitchfork with good sharp tines is much better than a blunt one for garden work.

Or, perhaps I might attempt to ward off the intruders' murderous blows (being all the while in very real fear of my life) with one of the heirlooms my great uncle left me. Well, they are technically swords (real ones, for use in real battles) , but I always just think of them as ornaments, thats why they're in the house. Just the first thing that came to hand in my fearful panic stricken state.

Being a frail old man , I can only hope that I manage fend off their onslaught long enough to save my own life. I would of course be horribly upset, distraught even, to injure the intruder, which would never be my intention, but at such a time, my natural and justfed terror would make judgement difficult. And if it should happen that in warding off their attack I accidentally injured one of them, it would of course be totally unintended.

[Bend-it]

I vote sarge official site guardian! Next time any "undesirables" turn up, it's Sarge's job to deal to them with well-aimed Marine Corps shooting! :ar15:

[SARGE]

I vote sarge official site guardian! Next time any "undesirables" turn up, it's Sarge's job to deal to them with well-aimed Marine Corps shooting! :ar15:

man.. i need to go buy some more ammo...


its gonna get real quiet around here real quick

[FROSTY]

Many years ago some silly bugger tried to steal a bike from queen street.
Unfortunately the bikes owners were sitting in a cafe 20 feet away.
It seems the bloke concerned tripped and banged his head on the kerb.
Clearly he must have been dazed. He tripped and fell over banging huis face and head several times after that.
The kindly bikers held him up after he was unable to get up and even flagged down a passing police car.
Yes folks thats a true story--well its the official statement made to the police anyways

[sAsLEX]

OK I would pick up my rifle which I just so happened to be cleaning at the time when I heard a disturbance and did not want to leave unattended.
Upon confronting the intruder I would warn them to leave or I will call the police.
If they desist, I would warn them again bringing the rifle into the shoulder (assuming they are armed).
If they still desist, I would fire a warning shot and warn them again.
If they still desist, I would retreat until my back was against the wall and then let them have it.
Once they go down I would restrain them (if nesc), apply immediate medical aid and dial 111.



My training has a slightly different interpretation to the warning shot.

If they ignore verbal warnings they get a warning shot through the centre of mass, and if they ignore this warning they get the rest of the magazine, followed by the next till they stop!

As Sarge said warning shots could do more damage than good, and could hit innocent bystanders etc A round in the CoM aint doing much damage out the other side

[Brett]

I keep my spearfishing gun in the room, and should somebody break in and threaten me, i would use it to frighten them, threaten them into subdueing, and if they deicded to attack, i would shoot t hem with it and use the rope to tie them up till the police show up.

In South Africa we had the situation arrise where our house was broken into while we were home. My dad who was just home from his time away fighting at a border war woke and heard the guy. Long story short, the guy confronted him, the automatic rifle (R1) had the firing parts removed so was no use, he tried to strangle him, and dad just beat the shit outta him, he was in intensive care for 2 weeks. Dad had to go to court, but was let off since the guy attacked him first.

I would like to think i would deal with it in the same way, smash them till they don't get up anymore, call the cops and the ambos and let them do their job.

[Finn]

Well, for my own part, I am of course a frail and peaceable old man.

Naturally if intruders broke into my home I would be completely terrified and in fear of my life.

I would attempt to run away of course, but being old I can't run very fast.

So I would probably have to end up defending myself , to the best of my obviously very limited ability, using whatever household implements or ornaments come to hand. Of course I would not have any weapons around, being a peaceable person.

Perhaps I might be able to seize a pitchfork, the one I was using earlier in the garden. Being an old man I like to keep my tools in good order, clean and properly sharpened , a good tradesman never has blunt tools. A pitchfork with good sharp tines is much better than a blunt one for garden work.

Or, perhaps I might attempt to ward off the intruders' murderous blows (being all the while in very real fear of my life) with one of the heirlooms my great uncle left me. Well, they are technically swords (real ones, for use in real battles) , but I always just think of them as ornaments, thats why they're in the house. Just the first thing that came to hand in my fearful panic stricken state.

Being a frail old man , I can only hope that I manage fend off their onslaught long enough to save my own life. I would of course be horribly upset, distraught even, to injure the intruder, which would never be my intention, but at such a time, my natural and justfed terror would make judgement difficult. And if it should happen that in warding off their attack I accidentally injured one of them, it would of course be totally unintended.


Couple of questions.

1) Do you have a DVD recorder?
2) Where do you live?

[Ixion]

1. No , no DVD. Being so old, and blind and deaf and that , it wuldn't be much use would it?
2. We've never met have we. You'll know the house, just look for body parts on the driveway.

[sAsLEX]

1. No , no DVD. Being so old, and blind and deaf and that , it wuldn't be much use would it?
2. We've never met have we. You'll know the house, just look for body parts on the driveway.

Just follow the cloud of castrol r south, smell will guide you to either Ixion or Motu .......

[RT527]

how about threaten the bastard?:mad:

Shit cant do that,
Do you actually Know how much money that we`d have to spend on him to get counselling because you scared him ?, Oh and the nice big ACC pay out for offending or nearly giving him a heart attack?, then theres the court appearance......Not his yours for attempted murder By means Of frightning behavior.......the list goes on...:spanking: :crybaby: :Playnice: :wari:

[spudchucka]

A few good answers and a few stupid ones too.

It really depends on what the intruders are after. If its property then they can have it - thats what I pay insurance for. Its not worth risking myself or family for something that can be easily replaced.

However if they are there to cause me or my family harm then its a different story. In such a situation you have to make sure you act within the law otherwise you could end up being locked away or at best face a lengthy and expensive legal battle. There are ways to acheive the desired effect without stepping over the line.

OK I would pick up my rifle which I just so happened to be cleaning at the time when I heard a disturbance and did not want to leave unattended.
Upon confronting the intruder I would warn them to leave or I will call the police.
If they desist, I would warn them again bringing the rifle into the shoulder (assuming they are armed).
If they still desist, I would fire a warning shot and warn them again.
If they still desist, I would retreat until my back was against the wall and then let them have it.
Once they go down I would restrain them (if nesc), apply immediate medical aid and dial 111.

You can't shoot them in the back or while running away, you'll get locked up for that. Also you can chase them off your property but you can't go running down the street after them with an axe - you'll get locked away for that too.


de·sist (d-sst, -zst) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "desist" [P]
intr.v. de·sist·ed, de·sist·ing, de·sists

To cease doing something; forbear. See Synonyms at stop.

You might want to re-phrase, especially if you ever impliment your plan and you end up getting questioned by the cops.

"I warned him to stop but he kept on desisting so I shot him"

[Timber020]

I have a hydralically fed chipper. So if any of you guys need some clean up help and have no pigs handy......get some pigs, I hate having to clean the noisey beast!

Even the SWAT guys I used to work with would never use a rifle against an intruder, shotguns where generally the weopon of choice. that CHA CHA sound in the dead of night can make all the difference.

[geoffm]

I have been told a handsaw is a mighty self defence weapon - short enough to handle in the corridor, and hard for them tae away from you. Let them grab it , then pull... You always have a good escuse for having one handy - 'just doing a bit of DIY yr honour". One of those double sided Japanese pull saws woudl be ideal - razor sharp, teeth on both sides and short enough to be handy.

Unfortuanlty the Arms Act makes shooting the scum practically impossibke - unlocking th esafe, getting the gun, unlock second safe, get bolt, unlock cupboard, get ammo, assemble, load and fire. It will be over one way or another before then.
THe Crimes Act theoreticlally gives you the right of self defence. The truth is a $50k legal bill and you have to prove you were innocent, while the scum get legal aid and better lawyers than you can afford. A right that you can't exercise is not a right. What it needs is the MPs and judges to have to deal with these scum in the same manner as the rest of us. I am damn sure they will sing a different tune after they recover from the beatings and rape.

[mikey]

im not racist, much, but at my old flat in the broncs i was left feeling lacking, lacking of skills to defend myself, possibly my gf, if she'd given me head that night, an all my stuff, mainly my bike.

i got robbed a few times, and didn't get along to well with the local mongrel mob muts being white an cranking my music didnt go down well but riding my bike like a nut past them earned mob kudos. my gf of the time was a rich white girl an after i got robbed she said she didnt feel safe at my place. she was really nice, a great fuck, big titties so i put an alarm in an started a weapons collection. Borrowed a sawn off shoty from a friendly neighbour, hes stil on police ten 7 every now an then so decided it was a bit to hot for my needs, got a lee enfield german killer 303, but didnt like it, was heavy and long, more a sniper than uzi type gun, had a pistol for two weeks but the lack of bullets wouldnt of gone down well, so settled on a silenced semi automatic 50 shot ruger that was loaded and within arms reach of me sleepign in bed. in every room i had a bat or club of some sort, my fav being the cut down ali baseball bat in the hallway.

anyway. get home one day with the latest an find the front door open. she finds a crack pipe an empty (doh!) bag on the couch, nothing stolen, was just broken into for the use of my loungesuite while someone got fried. an scoped out the place for later. didnt think much of it til the ex started hearing noises later that night an woke me up.

i was stil quite drunk but thought im fuked if some cracked out nigga is getting my tv without a bullet in his ass so grabbed the rifle an started running around throwing light switches screaming obsceneties about killing thieving koons in my boxers. a window had been opened in the lounge and as i ran outside i heard a car starting a few houses down then tyres screeching. lucky. might of shot someone, specially if he'd pulled out a screw driver. HAHA SCREW DRIVER VS COPPER JACKET!

closest ive come to shooting a thief{who might of killed me for my bike keys}. traded the gf in for a doberman and moved shortly afterwards.

[The_Dover]

mikey you dumb fuck.

that was your crack pipe.
and you were just hallucinating about the girlfriend. STOP FUCKING THE DOBERMAN.

[mikey]

You might want to re-phrase, especially if you ever impliment your plan and you end up getting questioned by the cops.
"I warned him to stop but he kept on desisting so I shot him"
why? if a thief (armed or not) wont back off - i wouldnt even give a warning shot., knee caps are hard to hit when there coming at you.
from an early age, i'd say 10yrs casue were a thick bunch of people, everyone bar a few intellectual cases know its
a) illegal to break in and
b) enter without permission
c) steal stuff
d) abuse / kill
e) rape
f) kidnap
g) burn the evidence
h) piss on the ashes
i) call the PM's husband gay
i can justify putting a bullets through someones kneecaps who is illegally and not wanted in my house in the middle of night or day. i'd be shit scared though, probably take a few bullets to get the knees. i hope the judge can see my point of view should it ever happen. maybe we should all be issued with tazers!!!!!!

[jrandom]

One thing to bear in mind is that any weapon you use to defend yourself, you'll have to wave goodbye to immediately thereafter as it gets tagged and bagged.

So don't use your accurised floating-barrel varmint rifle with 20X Zeiss scope or your carefully restored pre-war Kar98K Mauser with all-matching serial numbers to pop the fucker.

Situations like what we're thinking of here are what $600 18" pump-action shotties were invented for. If the idea of home invasion bothers you, break the law and keep one handy, loaded with 00 buck.

Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six...

Of course, I'd never do anything like that.

Neither would I sleep with my Chinook under my pillow.

[Lou Girardin]

Like Fish says, shotgun with the minimum legal barrel length. Even the most retarded, knuckle-dragging, monkey dancer is going to think twice when he's looking down a hole that big.

[Edbear]

According to a certain farmer I met down in the Waikato, a certain uniformed local once told him, off the record..., after he had had his home invaded, that if one did happen to have gun in hand, warn the approaching intruder if you have time, but if he continues to approach and you feel you are threatened, fire a warning shot in the chest or head and if that doesn't work, shoot him in the ceiling, or something like that. But never shoot him in the back. Make sure the warning shot is fatal, as a jury may posibly feel some sympathy for an injured person.

[adiddy]

yeah i think id grab whatever I had closest to me(probably a hockey stick or baseball bat which i carry in my cage) and id warn them and then take them out - knowing i kuld swing quicker than they could imagine....:Playnice:

"Just following what happened a few years ago you honour, when the police officer happened to warn the victim who was smashing buildings and then shot him while he was getting closer." :lol:

Oh you'l have to hit him in the front (i.e chest legs) and not from behind or they will argue that he was "just leaving" when you took him out and he was helpless.:(

A thief in America was on a victims house when he fell through the skylight, yes he sued the home owner and got paid out also..

As long as you then call the cops and dont take matters into your own hands you'l be fine....

[jrandom]

According to a certain farmer I met down in the Waikato, a certain uniformed local once told him, off the record...

Pfft. It's cool, you know.

Back when I got my firearms licence, the nice old arms officer chap that visited to interview me and Mrs Fish made the comment that of course I wasn't allowed to keep guns loaded, but if an intruder ever happened to walk in holding a baseball bat while I just happened to be up late cleaning a rifle, and I just happened to be very good at getting cartridges into the magazine quickly, and I shot him, it'd be a clear and justifiable case of reasonable force used in self-defence.

Having kids in the house makes storing a defensive weapon for ready access a much more difficult proposition, of course.

[scumdog]

Y'all must live in the wrong part of the country if you're worried about this kinda shit.

Me? I just LOOOVE the frozen unpopulated South, :2thumbsup sure, it's not 100% safe but it seems a lot more like the NZ I like than where you lot live.

[KLOWN]

id get my rifle then get my two dogs to pin him up, point the rifle at him told him if he moved he'd be dead, if he did move i'd shoot him as he was coming at me because i feared for my life and therefore would be legal. also If he was unarmed i'd probably let my dogs at him and put in a couple of boots myself.

[Sniper]

Wow, Im amazed at some of the people who have grown balls just for this thread. Well done guys :niceone:

[outlawtorn]

the best thing to do is after you have knocked them out, restrain them in a chair, then go and get a pair of strong scissors, wake them up and start cutting their toes off, first the little one, cause its the easiest, then the big one and from their its your own choice really. You could also cut them inbetween their toes and run the blade up the feet, so your run with the bone, then pour salt and vinegar to add more screaming......he he

[Bend-it]

You are a bad, bad man, outlaw...

[mikey]

Wow, Im amazed at some of the people who have grown balls just for this thread. Well done guys :niceone:

say
a, you were actually a sniper in the armed forces
b, you have killed someone

you'd be the one with small balls.

hiding behind a lense thats a hundred plus meters away is killign in cold blood.

[Sniper]

say
a, you were actually a sniper in the armed forces
b, you have killed someone

you'd be the one with small balls.

hiding behind a lense thats a hundred plus meters away is killign in cold blood.

But its a fucken cool adrenaline rush:Pokey: :cool:

[SARGE]

say
a, you were actually a sniper in the armed forces
b, you have killed someone

you'd be the one with small balls.

hiding behind a lense thats a hundred plus meters away is killign in cold blood.

hey Mikey..


im happy to demonstrate what i used to do next time you sober up enough to get off the playstation...

on yer bike boyo

[sAsLEX]

hiding behind a lense thats a hundred plus meters away is killign in cold blood.

Mate they are kilometers away


The current record for longest range sniper kill is 2,430 meters (7,972 feet), accomplished by a Canadian sniper, Corporal Rob Furlong, of the third battalion Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry (3 PPCLI), during the invasion of Afghanistan, using a .50 BMG (12.7 mm) McMillan bolt-action rifle. This meant that the round had a flight time of four seconds, and a drop of 78.4 meters (257 feet). The previous record was held by Carlos Hathcock, achieved during the Vietnam War, at a distance of 2,250 meters.

Have you got what it takes mikey??
http://www.army.mil.nz

[Finn]

I can drop the missus at 10 feet after a good curry.

[scumdog]

say
a, you were actually a sniper in the armed forces
b, you have killed someone

you'd be the one with small balls.

hiding behind a lense thats a hundred plus meters away is killign in cold blood.

FAR, far better to rush the enemy with fixed bayonet yelling 'tally-ho!' and get blown up by grenades or mown down by machine guns etc eh?:buggerd:

[SARGE]

FAR, far better to rush the enemy with fixed bayonet yelling 'tally-ho!' and get blown up by grenades or mown down by machine guns etc eh?:buggerd:

nah dude .. blow the hinges off the door ,, chuck in a flash bang and hose the room with automatic weapons fire ...


if anything is still moving after that .. pop a couple 'safety rounds' into the mix at point blank range and go make a cup of coffee


i never thought of my sniper as a coward.. he saved more lives than my Corpsman

[sAsLEX]

nah dude .. blow the hinges off the door ,, chuck in a flash bang and hose the room with automatic weapons fire ...




Remeber reading of the Queen being seated in a room of "terrorists" at the Hereford training ground and the SAS did exactly that with live rounds and put two through each bad guy

[mikey]

But its a fucken cool adrenaline rush:Pokey: :cool: can't say it is actually.

Mate they are kilometers away
Have you got what it takes mikey??
http://www.army.mil.nz
yeh the latest marketing drives really doing it for me i might just apply for a "driver" job. get more money driving buses.
answering to someone 24/7 for minimum wages?

i never thought of my sniper as a coward.. he saved more lives than my Corpsman
when i was in vietnam......

[SARGE]

when i was in vietnam......

one of these days Mikey .. someone will teach you some respect .. i hope i'm there to see it.. welcome to the list douchebag

[NUTBAR]

if posible smack the crap out of them.
dont bother waiting for the cops, they dont show up,
sit 1:rang them when i saw a robbery taking place, they said & i quote: if somebody comes in to make a complant about it we will get back to u?
wtf, robbery was taking place they didnt want to know.
sit 2: had big burnout party on the street outside our place, about 30 odd youths smashing bottles desiel on the road etc. driving off drunk. rang the cops, they said yes we have had several complants abouts this. one undercover car came down 20 min later? did nothing. this was at 1140hrs
my flat mate got home at 0130hrs & rang then again told them to come down and sort it out.
do you have faith in the cops to come and deal with someone robbing your place, i dont!:nono:

[Pogo2]

LOL at all of the replies. you guys are all dangerous!!!!!!!!

On a serious note (very boring I know) key words are "justifiable and reasonable". Very unlikely to do it the real word but would help prevent you from any further problems downstream. Whats reasonable really depends on the situation. Remember you don't take a knife to a gunfight. Its the end result that matters ie your the winner- end of story.

If something is happening in the dark at home leave it that way. No one knows your house better than you, so keep the advantage up your sleeve. Turning on the lights stuffs your night vision and lets the scumbag become immediately aware of his surroundings.

just my two cents (oops! now 10 cents worth)

happy hunting!!

[BAD DAD]

First thing would be a warning shot through the head

[Swoop]

Remeber reading of the Queen being seated in a room of "terrorists" at the Hereford training ground
I know Chuck and Di went in there, but ER indoors???

welcome to the list douchebag
Is that "THE" list or just the ignore list?:lol:

... you guys are all dangerous!!!!!!
We have to be. The gubbinment will not protect us, and the cops are too busy testing "a white powdery substance" which normally has a donut underneath it...:whistle:

[SARGE]

Is that "THE" list or just the ignore list?:lol:



could be both.. but for now the iggy list will do..

[pixc]

We have actually woken to find a stranger in our house. Bf started yelling and yahooing at him..opened the front door and stepped back to give him room. When he didnt take the hint they had a scrap in the lounge and bf ended up throwing him literally out the door. Dan just wanted him out of the house and away from the kids. I rang the police. Bf came back into the house and grabbed a baseball bat and chased off after him. Was funny watching him run down the street in his undies with a baseball bat chasing the quy. Police took 45 mins to get here. The officer said he saw dan in his undies with a baseball bat and thought it was strange. The officer proceeded to Mt Maunganui to 'clock in' only to be sent back to Te Puke to our 'job'. They caught the guy in the end and he tried to press charges againt dan for assault. He said he was really scared when a big white fulla started to intimated him. He got 4 years and will be out in 2. Teach me for leaving the backdoor unlocked :(

[spudchucka]

welcome to the list douchebag

Been top of my list for years too.

[spudchucka]

Whats reasonable really depends on the situation. Remember you don't take a knife to a gunfight. Its the end result that matters ie your the winner- end of story.

True but reasonablness also depends upon what your honestly held belief was at the time. Reasonablness is also measured subjectively by assessing what any other "reasonable" person would have believed in the same circumstances.

Your last comment is 100% correct, there is no point losing a fight and getting killed through fear of legal consequences. Its better to be tried by twelve than carried by six!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Shoot /the bastard.

If you have a firearm and feel that threatened, shoot him. Then quickly fire another round through the roof. At least then when the 'boys' come to drag his corpse away you can tell them you warned the intruder you had a fire arm. He kept coming, you warned him to stop or you'd shoot. He kept coming and you fired a warning shot into the roof. He kept coming so you had no option but to shoot him.

Then at least you may have a slim chance of getting off semi lightly!
Unlike said intruder.

NB: Not so good for those of us with 12 guage shotguns....the pattern is different from each barrel!:whistle:

[Teflon]

Shoot the cunt, then fire one shot into the roof.

[pritch]

in the US .. if you are in the home and someone breaks in and you feel you or your family is in danger...

drop his ass..

unfortunatly.. here in the Land of the Long White *mumble*...



Actually Sarge it's the same here as in the US, in the case of your life or the life of a family member. Unfortunately the politically pussy whipped Police Commanders usually prosecute. The defendant is usually found not guilty but is out up to $100,000(?) in legal costs.

You need to be lucky to get way with killing someone in defence of property but it has happened more than once to my knowledge in recent years.
Although a guy who used to live in Gisborne now lives in Brisbane.
Hey it's it's an ill wind... :-)

[pritch]

then fire one shot into the roof.

No no this is all wrong.

You should put the bullet through the floor then the roof won't leak! :-)

[scumdog]

NB: Not so good for those of us with 12 guage shotguns....the pattern is different from each barrel!:whistle:

At the range used inside a house you wouldn't really tell the difference.

But I use an 8-shot pump-action anyway.

[Crasherfromwayback]

At the range used inside a house you wouldn't really tell the difference.

But I use an 8-shot pump-action anyway.

needless to say you don't use it for 'clay birds'!

[nezorf]

But then it'll end up like that farmer up north who shot that maori trying to steal his quad bike the farmer up to the shit with legal fees while the other bloke walks around scot free....we live in a bullshit country where the crims get better looked after than the general public its fucking shits me!!!!

im america some one broke in to a house, triped over the washing basket and smaked their head on sum thing, sued the owners for bodily harm and won got US 60K for braking in to sum ones house. thats F*#%ed up

[Teflon]

No no this is all wrong.

You should put the bullet through the floor then the roof won't leak! :-)

I'm just passing on what the man at the pistol club said :-)

[Jdogg]

Y'all must live in the wrong part of the country if you're worried about this kinda shit.

Me? I just LOOOVE the frozen unpopulated South, :2thumbsup sure, it's not 100% safe but it seems a lot more like the NZ I like than where you lot live.

Says the man that chased burglars away in the nude :whistle:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/342010/Angry-naked-cop-gets-his-man

Just saying....

[JustNick]

Says the man that chased burglars away in the nude :whistle:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/342010/Angry-naked-cop-gets-his-man

Just saying....

haha, that is an awesome story. I love how he posed for a photo too.

[buggsubique]

Panic alarm in the hall way, weimaraner in the lounge, asp baton in the draw, kabar beside the bed and cqb trained. Just have to wake my sleepy ass up is all!

Oh and motion flood lights front and rear.

[Usarka]

A 5 year thread dredge to say "use google" :facepalm:

[Big Dave]

A 5 year thread dredge to say "use google" :facepalm:

What? Hit the burglars with your computer???

[fuknKIWI]

Last night the intruder on our lawn was the neighbours aggro dog.
Not long after I came home from watching the AB's smash the Frogs I went out for a piss then I heard the neighbour calling her dog, it never comes to her, as soon as it reakised I was outside it made a bee line for me. Previous experience with George has lead me keep "something handy" so I whacked it, with a few beers under the belt it took a few swings to hit the snarling darling. Well that went down like a pork chop in a mosque she came up to me & told me she was going to report me BWAHAHAHAHA I told she was full of shit & we await the next exciting episode...

[Bikemad]

Bang bang........

[sAsLEX]

What? Hit the burglars with your computer???

Looks like a knife is sweet

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5699881/Burglar-stabber-won-t-be-charged-police

[Blackshear]

Looks like a knife is sweet

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5699881/Burglar-stabber-won-t-be-charged-police

Both teenagers in question got lucky.

[sAsLEX]

Both teenagers in question got lucky.

Its a good precedent.

Pistol = sweet
Knife = sweet


Now for a A cat rifle .....