Which way do you counter-steer?

[zeocen]

I'm sure there's a billion threads on this, and I could come up with some sort of reason like how I want an up to date opinion and what not, but the fact of the matter is I'm just too lazy to search.

SO!

Which way do you counter-steer? I've been taking my strides in getting confidence in my bike around suburbia hell, and i've found that, say, if I want to turn left I push the left bar and go in.. however some other people find that they rather pull on the right handle bar to go into the same corner - all producing the same end effect.

What I want to know is either way better than the other? Or does it just come down to personal preference?

Thanks !

[terbang]

How about turning the handlebars to the opposite direction you want to lean.? We all countersteer whether we are aware of it or not.

[emaN]

...but the fact of the matter is I'm just too lazy to search.

fact of the matter is i'm too lazy to answer.
:shifty:

[SimJen]

I push and pull, simple.

[dawnrazor]

I push - you have more control and its a quicker response if you need to ack off fast as the equilibrium of the bike will pull itself into line fast if you relieve the pressure

[kiwifruit]

have a read of "a twist of the wrist 2"
its hosted here: http://terminaladdict.com/Twist.pdf

[Pwalo]

Do whatever feels most comfortable to you. Personally I don't try and consciously countersteer at normal road pace, just drop my shoulder and look through the turn.

Don't try too hard.

[Ixion]

Depends on the bike I think. Sprotsbikes, and those with low bars it's easier to push. The arm angle is wrong for pulling. Tourers (and I presume crusiers, of which I have no experience) , with high bars, pulling is often easier.

Whatever works and feels natural.

[Str8 Jacket]

To be honest I dont really know, it just kind of happens. I found out the other day that I can turn with only one hand on the bar, of course it has to be on the side that your turning toward... So maybe I must pull the handle bar on the side that im turning toward me?... I dunno really. Im just a girl.

[onearmedbandit]

No choice for me, push and pull to countersteer. Like the others said it happens without a moments thought during a lot of my riding, but if I'm at the track I am definitely a lot more active on the bar.

[McJim]

I'm definately one of nature's pushers...wanna buy some smack?

[Deano]

Depends how quickly I want to turn - I push and pull with both when 'busy' - but usually use my left more cause the right is busy with throttle control.

[beyond]

I use both but a simple rule of thumb is push the bar on the side you want to turn into to. i.e. Pushing the bar forwards with your right hand will cause the bike to drop into a right hand turn and pushing with your left hand will cause the bike to drop into a left turn.

Pushing and pulling on a bike my size, makes things happen quicker and is especially good for tight twisties.

[Colapop]

I'm still getting back into the swing of things with cornering. I find that I'm fine going uphill but shite going down (ie. the Taka's) I think the biggest problem I have is not riding through the corner. Instead I tend to slow down before the corner, probably too much, then I'm not comfortable going through it. I could do with a) some training and b) a full explanation of counter steering.

[TerminalAddict]

sounds like you need to read twist of the wrist ... it pointed out lots of bad things I was (and still am) doing

http://terminaladdict.com/Twist.pdf

[Colapop]

Yeah, printed that at work today... some reading for me...

[sunhuntin]

i just do whatevers natural...like str8, i can also steer with one hand, but not on sharp turns [have tried it, and didnt feel safe] i actually find it makes the turn easier to take, funnily enough. i dont know whether im pushing or pulling...each corner is different, no matter how many times i take it.

whats fun, is ive just discovered countersteering with the feet...good fun! got one corner that is wicked for that....basically, im leaning right, and pushing down with my left foot...essentially, im hanging off the bike a bit. good fun. pity its in a 50 zone :(

[Finn]

Interesting point. I will answer this drawing from my years of experience as a top international superbike rider and as a weekend tourer.

There are two types of counter steering methods that take place:

1) Subconscious counter steering
2) Conscious counter steering

The difference between the two is that an inexperienced rider will be subconsciously counter steering without knowing it where and experienced rider will do both, but will also now when and how to throw the bitch onto its side and nail that corner.

[ruphus]

pusher here....

[beyond]

pusher here....

Hello Pusher. :lol:

[Edbear]

but if I'm at the track I am definitely a lot more active on the bar.


They have Bars at the track....?:beer:

[onearmedbandit]

Yup, but I don't hit that one until after the day is done!

[rocketman1]

I definitely push, and drop your inside elbow a bit, maybe use a bit of pressure on the inside footrest, slight knee pressure against the tank for the outside leg.
Keep your head level ie dont tilt your head, or you won't know where you are, watch the Moto GP boys heads, always level, most people do all this anyway without yhinking about it, especially the old Motocross boys.

[Balding Eagle]

All the books that I have read recommend pushing on the side you want to turn towards. I find it works well although I have tried pulling on the other side. In this case I have found you are able to get more leverage and you can easily over do it. I could give you a full explanation of gyroscopic precession and the forces involved but I suspect you would end up asleep before you got to the end. The guts of it is that you probably counter steer without fully realising it.

[Edbear]

Seems the general concensus here is that we're all pushing it...:banana:

[mart1]

I like to pull my bar, sometimes i use both hands.

[mynameis]

have a read of "a twist of the wrist 2"
its hosted here: http://terminaladdict.com/Twist.pdf

Would you by any chance know if there's Volume 1 floating around somewhere? Thanks for this mate :)

mynameis

[Skyryder]

I'm sure there's a billion threads on this, and I could come up with some sort of reason like how I want an up to date opinion and what not, but the fact of the matter is I'm just too lazy to search.

SO!

Which way do you counter-steer? I've been taking my strides in getting confidence in my bike around suburbia hell, and i've found that, say, if I want to turn left I push the left bar and go in.. however some other people find that they rather pull on the right handle bar to go into the same corner - all producing the same end effect.

What I want to know is either way better than the other? Or does it just come down to personal preference?

Thanks !

If you have to think what you are doing, you are doing something wrong, and that's thinking what you are doing. There is enough shit out there so think about that instead. That's advice not a dig at you. Could be a life saver.

The best advice I can give is to look where you are going and you will go where you are looking. Stay focused on the vanishing point of the corner. When that becomes natural, you can then, and only then begin to analyse what is happening. This in no ways means that you should get into bad habits as these will be difficult to overcome. But just go into the corners and follow your line or to be more correct, control your line. Bloody big difference. As you become more confident the line control will be better and faster.

Just go with the flow and may the Force be with you.

Skyryder

[Hawkeye]

Just go with the flow and may the Force be with you.
Skyryder

Can't take the force with me. I'm still on a restricted and can't take pillions!:rofl: