Labour is rooted...

[Finn]

I've been telling you guys but you didn't listen.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10402502

I've heard some of the rumours and I've had a couple confirmed. If you knew, you would be sick to your stomach. It's disgusting.

[Zed]

I've been telling you guys but you didn't listen.That's precisely what Noah said to the world before he entered into the ark with his seven brethren!

[Lissa]

It will be interesting to see what diversion Helen Bark comes up with now, to deflect the heat. Maybe she will become pregnant by her husband ... that will put the rumours to rest.

[Finn]

It will be interesting to see what diversion Helen Bark comes up with now, to deflect the heat. Maybe she will become pregnant by her husband ... that will put the rumours to rest.

The truth about Labour & HC is much worse than what Peter Davis did. It will come out in good time. Kiwi's have short memories so they might wait until the election but if it all came out now, we'd be voting next weekend.

[Lissa]

The truth about Labour & HC is much worse than what Peter Davis did. It will come out in good time. Kiwi's have short memories so they might wait until the election but if it all came out now, we'd be voting next weekend.The election is too far off, this will be blown under the carpet by then, and then all the nice little goody election bribes will come out.

[Finn]

The election is too far off, this will be blown under the carpet by then, and then all the nice little goody election bribes will come out.

Trust me. This can't be swept under the carpet. It's too big.

[Magua]

Fuck labour, fuck national.

What other party can my vote go to without being wasted?

[Finn]

Fuck labour, fuck national.

What other party can my vote go to without being wasted?

Howard, like most hard working kiwi's.

[McJim]

Fuck labour, fuck national.

What other party can my vote go to without being wasted?

None mate - that's the dilemma....I vote Spankeme for Prime minister - Babes and bikes for all - there's a policy worth getting behind.

[The_Dover]

That's precisely what Noah said to the world before he entered into the ark with his seven brethren!

he fucked seven dudes?

[idb]

That's precisely what Noah said to the world before he entered into the ark with his seven brethren!

Did he exclude all others?

[McJim]

he fucked seven dudes?

Don't knock it mate - if you believe what the bible bashers tell us we're all the result of incest - Adam and Eve....well work the rest out for y'sel.

[Ixion]

Fuck labour, fuck national.

What other party can my vote go to without being wasted?

COMMUNIST

The only vote that makes sense

[The_Dover]

COMMUNIST

The only vote that makes sense


how many dudes do they have?

[M1CRO]

But at least Helens Husband thinks she's sexy :Playnice:

[slowpoke]

Howard, like most hard working kiwi's.

BWAHAHAHA! Oh shit that's a...hahahahaha...good one...hahahaha...not that it's someone else....heeheehee......but that you think the pollies are DIFFERENT over there.....hahahahaha....stop it....please.......you're killin' me....hahahaha.....oh shit...can't breathe...hahahahaha.....

[Magua]

COMMUNIST

The only vote that makes sense


Have you read the manifesto of the "Communist Party of Aotearoa"?

Crazy go nuts.

[Ixion]

how many dudes do they have?

Tis not the number of DUDES we have tis the number of MACHINE GUNS that counts

[SixPackBack]

Trust me. This can't be swept under the carpet. It's too big.

Don't hold back baldy-we hates the biatch

[Lou Girardin]

Bloody hell, I have to agree with Finn. Labour are yesterday's rancid dog tucker. They wouldn't get voted back in if they promised free povi massima for a year to their loyal supporters.

[Pathos]

I don't see much other than a whole lot of bitching.

no information at all in the article, just accusations.

I can't be bothered with that. I make my judgements on fact (or my inpretation of it to be exact) and if a group of New Zealanders have evidence of foul play they should spill the beans, not exploit it for their own agenda.

[Skyryder]

I've been telling you guys but you didn't listen.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10402502

I've heard some of the rumours and I've had a couple confirmed. If you knew, you would be sick to your stomach. It's disgusting.

Yesterday he denied he (Wayne Idour )had worked for the Exclusive Brethren, but on reflection today decided to go public.

So much for this guys credibility. He has admitted lying and now claims to be telling the truth.

Come on Finn. Even you can't take this guy seriously or have you got your blinders on because of you political views??

Skyryder

[Finn]

Yesterday he denied he (Wayne Idour )had worked for the Exclusive Brethren, but on reflection today decided to go public.

So much for this guys credibility. He has admitted lying and now claims to be telling the truth.

Come on Finn. Even you can't take this guy seriously or have you got your blinders on because of you political views??

Skyryder

I've got my blinders on because of my political views but do you always have to repeat verbatim what Mr Helen Clarks says?

I'm enjoying watching Labour self destruct. Watch what happens next week... it's gonna be a goodun.

[terbang]

There is a hot rumour that the Bretheren have been contracted by Al Queda to spy on Labour for their involvement with the Taliban who helped Winston peters in the Winebox enquirey that has similaritys to the earlier, US, watergate scandal which in effect indicated that Richard Nixon had (not yet confirmed) an illegitimate child to the former first lady of the Phillipines who had purchased shoes from a New Zealand store that had its business roots in Australia that was trading whale meat to Suzuki of Japan under the mindful eye of the Tongan prince who still believes that Matiu Rata should have been the prime Minister of NZ because he was better looking than both Pita Sharples and Helen clark who, for some strange reason, thinks she is a good Prime Minister in the eyes of her husband who is not associated with the Bretheren church in any way apart from being investigated by them..
Now who is running NZ..?

[Finn]

Now who is running NZ..?

No one for over 20 years now.

By the way, I heard that rumour too.

[Skyryder]

I've got my blinders on because of my political views but do you always have to repeat verbatim what Mr Helen Clarks says?

I'm enjoying watching Labour self destruct. Watch what happens next week... it's gonna be a goodun.

I quoted from the article that you supplied the link too. It never mentioned Helen Clark. Even if it did quote Clark it does not alter the fact that because Wayne Idour lied his 'reliable information' is now no longer reliable.

Skyryder

[Finn]

I quoted from the article that you supplied the link too. It never mentioned Helen Clark. Even if it did quote Clark it does not alter the fact that because Wayne Idour lied his 'reliable information' is now no longer reliable.

Skyryder

Just be patient Skyryder. All will be revealed.

[Skyryder]

There is a hot rumour that the Bretheren have been contracted by Al Queda to spy on Labour for their involvement with the Taliban who helped Winston peters in the Winebox enquirey that has similaritys to the earlier, US, watergate scandal which in effect indicated that Richard Nixon had (not yet confirmed) an illegitimate child to the former first lady of the Phillipines who had purchased shoes from a New Zealand store that had its business roots in Australia that was trading whale meat to Suzuki of Japan under the mindful eye of the Tongan prince who still believes that Matiu Rata should have been the prime Minister of NZ because he was better looking than both Pita Sharples and Helen clark who, for some strange reason, thinks she is a good Prime Minister in the eyes of her husband who is not associated with the Bretheren church in any way apart from being investigated by them..
Now who is running NZ..?

A rare skill to say so much in one sentance. So different from Finn whos says so little in so few words.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Just be patient Skyryder. All will be revealed.

So you can quote verbatim??

Skyryder

[Aitch]

Trust me. This can't be swept under the carpet. It's too big.

What's the big secret?
OR is this just a case of "I know something you don't know?"

[Finn]

A rare skill to say so much in one sentance. So different from Finn whos says so little in so few words.

Skyryder

That not true.

[onearmedbandit]

Didn't Wayne say that up until yesterday(?) it wasn't comfirmed to him who he was working for?

[Finn]

More spin from the He Bitch.

After calling Don Brash "corrosive and cancerous" Helen Clark then tried to claim this was not a personal attack because she did not mean Don personally, but the "Don Brash brand".

She has obviously been spending too much time with Alistair Campbell.

This did not impress The Press, their editorial quoted below:

The personalised attack by the Prime Minister, Helen Clark, on the Leader of the Opposition, Don Brash, is something quite extraordinary in New Zealand politics.

For a serving Prime Minister to attack her chief political adversary as a "corrosive and cancerous" person and as "not fit to be a leader in New Zealand" is probably unprecedented. Not even in the rancid days of Robert Muldoon was such bitter, venomous language used by a politician in public discourse. That it should be possible to make a comparison with Muldoon – a model in personalised politics no-one should wish to follow – shows how lamentable the Prime Minister's attack is. Despite Clark's promises to raise the tone after the descent into the gutter in the last couple of weeks, she has regrettably only succeeded in lowering it.

Caucus, and ultimately, voters to decide. By wading in with her two-cents worth, Clark clearly hopes to divert attention from herself and her own party's misdeeds.

In the end, it all comes back to Labour's profound discomfiture over its election mis-spending. In addition to assailing Brash, Clark this week again launched into the Auditor-General, Kevin Brady. More lies. It is very hard to see how this can be anything but an attempt to put public pressure on the Auditor-General at a time when he is considering his final report on the matter, with the aim of discrediting it in advance. It is a disquieting manoeuvre and further evidence of how far Clark has become unnerved.


Moving on, barely a day after Helen renounced personal attacks, and distanced herself from Trevor Mallard, she has let lose today with this to say about Don Brash:

"Labour regards Dr Brash as a corrosive and cancerous person within the New Zealand political system,"

"From the time he became National Party leader he started his polarizing, extreme attacks and behaviour."

"He was not fit to be leader"

At the very time people are saying the debate should be on issues and policies, not people, Clark calls Brash "cancerous".

I'm sorry but is the He Bitch serious? Can she not even see the hypocrisy of accusing Brash of "extreme attacks" in the same interview as she calls him cancerous.

Can anyone read that and tell me they honestly believe Clark did not authorise Mallard's attacks on Brash?

And it was just the other day that she accussed the Auditor-General of smearing her and Labour. So Dr Brash is cancerous and the Auditor-General smears people. A bit of a pattern here about how she describes people who are a threat to her.

So is that better SkyRyder? Oh and here's a nice little picture of your mentor for you.

[WINJA]

The Only Thing That Suprises Me Is You Cunts Didnt Figure Out Peter Was Gay Sooner , After All Marrying Helen Is Really A Homosexual Relationship By Proxy

[Indoo]

Can anyone read that and tell me they honestly believe Clark did not authorise Mallard's attacks on Brash?


Just like how she didn't ask her motorcade to speed to get her to a Rugby game on time, and didn't even notice that the vehicle she was in was going 180kmh because she was so wrapped up in her study.

Don Brash deceived one person in his private life, Helen Clark stood up and lied to 4 million people in her public life and didn't even bat an overly hairy eyelash.

[WINJA]

Just like how she didn't ask her motorcade to speed to get her to a Rugby game on time, and didn't even notice that the vehicle she was in was going 180kmh because she was so wrapped up in her study.

Don Brash deceived one person in his private life, Helen Clark stood up and lied to 4 million people in her public life and didn't even bat an overly hairy eyelash.

IF YOU SAW FAIRGO THE OTHER DAY A PIG HANDED A FINE OUT TO A 15 YO GIRL FOR SITTING IN A CAR BEING DRIVEN DANGEROUSLY , THE PIGS SHOLUDA GIVEN HELEN THE SAME TICKET , WHY DIDNT THEY, AND ITS NOT TOO LATE EITHER THEY CAN STILL GIVE HER THAT TICKET

[Skyryder]

This did not impress The Press, their editorial quoted below:

The personalised attack by the Prime Minister, Helen Clark, on the Leader of the Opposition, Don Brash, is something quite extraordinary in New Zealand politics.

For a serving Prime Minister to attack her chief political adversary as a "corrosive and cancerous" person and as "not fit to be a leader in New Zealand" is probably unprecedented. Not even in the rancid days of Robert Muldoon was such bitter, venomous language used by a politician in public discourse. That it should be possible to make a comparison with Muldoon – a model in personalised politics no-one should wish to follow – shows how lamentable the Prime Minister's attack is. Despite Clark's promises to raise the tone after the descent into the gutter in the last couple of weeks, she has regrettably only succeeded in lowering it.



So is that better SkyRyder? Oh and here's a nice little picture of your mentor for you.


Well I see you have strung together a considerably lengthy post. However most is copy of the Press editorial so you can not take as much credit as you would like.

As one who has lived in Christchurch most of my life I am well acquainted with the 'Conservative' editorials of the Press. That they have aligned themselves on this issue with National comes as no surprise.

There is much in Labour that I do not like. Issues such as election spending, the ministerial motorcade are two that readily spring to mind.

Where we differ is not so much the political ideology, but in the appreciation of the strategies that are involved in politics. There is no doubt in my mind that Helen Clark is in the political battle of her life. What I find interesting, are the political strategies she is employing. Two of which I will mention.

First and foremost is the 'affair' issue that was alluded too by Mallard. This issue came to attention of the media via National and Clark has diverted attention from the ‘overspending’ issue with it. National via Brash have tried to regain the initive on this but at this point have failed. So up until the present time this strategy of Clark’s has been effective.

The second key move is when Clark called for Brashes resignation. This as you recall was when the National Party was considering this issue in an informal manner. Clark’s call for Brashes resignation effectively stalled that as National could not be seen to be influenced by Clarks call. This ploy has prevented National to counter attack on the overspending issue. With a new party leader they would have been possible and at the same time go to Brashes defence. This would have left Labour defending itself on two fronts: overspending and their personal attack of Brash. In other words Finn if National had acted sooner and dumped Brash not only would they have been on the moral high ground the battle would have been won and they could have continued attacking Labour on the overspending issue. The Nats have lost the first round. For those of us who have an unbiased opinion of the current state of play what I have written is obvious. Only the bias against Labour believe otherwise.

While I admit to, shall we say a cooperative ideology as against a competitive one, I am not a supporter of Helen Clark as you think. But since you do not seem to understand the finer points of the ‘real politick’ this mistake on your part is not surprising.


Skyryder

[paturoa]

....the battle would have been won .....

I'm thinking that the only battle here, after all of this is done and dusted, will be the one for the swing voters.

But just to kill my own argument, what will be the attention span of the NZ swing voter when Cullen gives out more lollie closer to the election??

[Dafe]

There is much in Labour that I do not like. Issues such as election spending, the ministerial motorcade are two that readily spring to mind.


Skyryder

Issues such as Election Overspending? Motorcades?

I'm more concerned about:

The all time high murder rates we now have.
The neglecting of health care to our working class citizens
The growth rate of beneficiarie's and especially refugees.
The huge influx of unskilled/non-working immigrants arriving daily into the country.
The forgotten but continuing Brain Drain issue.
The corruption of the Labour GOVT, writing laws to suit themselves.
The nationwide reduction in prisoner sentencing time and the governments raising of a crimes seriousness required to qualify for prison.
with more home detentions being favoured.

And overall - The steady decline of New Zealands rating in the OECD.
Fast becoming a third world nation.

[Finn]

But since you do not seem to understand the finer points of the ‘real politick’ this mistake on your part is not surprising.

You're right, I don't have a full understanding of the academics of politics. I'm just not interested. I'd rather focus on outcomes and clearly Labour have failed us all.

Academics like you are the reason our government and country is failing. Full of theory and absolutely no practical understanding or experience. They often find that they are unemployable in the commercial environment and end up having to work in the government sector where they become institutionalised. So what do you do for a job?

Speaking of mistakes, with all the brands of bikes on the market, you end up with a Guzzi?

[Jamezo]

My faith in the intelligence of the New Zealand populace plumbs new lows. It seems that for many, political bias has elevated 'suspension of disbelief' to an art form; instead of recognising scurrilous attack journalism for what it is, they are only too eager to run with it and grant it a veneer of credibility in what must be a brutal exercise in intellectual dishonesty. Shame on them and all others involved in disseminating this utter pap.

I'm not quite prepared to recognise any unified political strategy in Labour's actions with regard to recent events; in my humble analysis they have been forced into a path of reaction rather than action just as much as National has been.

[Swoop]

...what will be the attention span of the NZ swing voter when Cullen gives out more lollie closer to the election??

Cullen is giving the taxpayer ANOTHER packet of chewing gum... "in 3 years time"???

The attention span of the kiwi voter is about the same as a slug. All they care about is what "baubles" are waved under their nose at election time without thought as to how the incumbents have fared over the past three years.

[Skyryder]

You're right, I don't have a full understanding of the academics of politics. I'm just not interested. I'd rather focus on outcomes and clearly Labour have failed us all.

Academics like you are the reason our government and country is failing. Full of theory and absolutely no practical understanding or experience. They often find that they are unemployable in the commercial environment and end up having to work in the government sector where they become institutionalised. So what do you do for a job?

Speaking of mistakes, with all the brands of bikes on the market, you end up with a Guzzi?

I worked for the UN but they fired me. They said I was over qualified.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

My faith in the intelligence of the New Zealand populace plumbs new lows. It seems that for many, political bias has elevated 'suspension of disbelief' to an art form; instead of recognising scurrilous attack journalism for what it is, they are only too eager to run with it and grant it a veneer of credibility in what must be a brutal exercise in intellectual dishonesty. Shame on them and all others involved in disseminating this utter pap.

I'm not quite prepared to recognise any unified political strategy in Labour's actions with regard to recent events; in my humble analysis they have been forced into a path of reaction rather than action just as much as National has been.

It's the reason why gossip mags do so well. People like to read about the things that they most disaprove of.

Can't say that I generaly disagree with you. But the fact is Labour 'have' diverted attention away from the overspending issue.

From a pragmatic view it makes sound political sense to do so. Where they made a mistake is that this affair could have been justified in the fact the Brash's 'affair' was with the Vice Chairman of a political lobby group with a close assosiation to National. Labour did not empahasise this and as such have lost the moral high ground.


Skyryder

[Jamezo]

Perhaps I am being cynical, but going on the record about the 'incestousness' (tragically apt turn of phrase) of right-wing politics and big business would seem to break some unspoken taboo on the subject within acceptable NZ political discourse.

Smearing the private lives of private citizens? Why Not? Endless artificial scandal? For sure! Daring to acknowledge the relationships that hold sway over our political system? GODS NO! That's 'radical politics'!

Labour will not go that far. It is still a capitalist party, after all.

[Skyryder]

Perhaps I am being cynical, but going on the record about the 'incestousness' (tragically apt turn of phrase) of right-wing politics and big business would seem to break some unspoken taboo on the subject within acceptable NZ political discourse.

Smearing the private lives of private citizens? Why Not? Endless artificial scandal? For sure! Daring to acknowledge the relationships that hold sway over our political system? GODS NO! That's 'radical politics'!

Labour will not go that far. It is still a capitalist party, after all.

Interesting analysis.

Finn claims to be aware of some political smut. Mind you with all the shit flying about 'anybody' could come up with that prediction and promote themselves as being party to inside information. Pesonally I think he's trying to impress all here in this reguard as well as himself.

So Finn make a prediction. Or at least give a hint, a name, an offence etc. Or is the playing you do only with yourself??


Skyryder

[paturoa]

hope this isnt a repost but it is real funny! (and 100% true !)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJa0ltsx_xw

[inlinefour]

Fuck labour, fuck national.

What other party can my vote go to without being wasted?

none IMO, they are all equally worthless...

[Jantar]

Fuck labour, fuck national.

What other party can my vote go to without being wasted?


Now that is the one big advantage of MMP, no vote is wasted. Every vote for a minor party reduces the proportion of votes for the major parties, and hence help to reduce the number of seats that they will get. The safest option is to vote for a party that will get at least a single electrate seat, but would not get over the 5% threshold. Every vote for such a party will help increase its number of MPs and reduce the government's majority. For right wing voters that would be ACT, for left wing voters either United or the Maori Party.

[Brett]

Down with Helen, and may a thousand seagulls defecate upon her manly brow.
FINN - this talk of more self-destruction of labour talk is very titillating:buggerd:

[Skyryder]

Every vote for such a party will help increase its number of MPs and reduce the government's majority. For right wing voters that would be ACT, for left wing voters either United or the Maori Party.

United left wing??

The Maori Party have not ruled out a coalition with National.

The only party that will have no 'truck' with National is Jim Anderton's Progressive Party

Skyryder

[Timber020]

Howard, like most hard working kiwi's.

I got a George Bush doll for xmas, you pull a string and he says "the world is better off with saddam." "They hate freedom and have WMD." "theres to many black folk anyhow, lets see if they can swim." Its great and quite lifelike. It even wets itself, sniffs coke and hides if you say "vietnam."
It came free with both a Tony Blair and John Howard doll as well, but so far I havent been able to get the other two out of his ass to see if they say anything for themselves.

Im sick of both parties, but brash is so far up on the list of dumbass powerhungry arseholes, Id rather have WINJA as leader than see that prat up there. Aus is a great place if your chasing the dollar, but its fucked in so many ways im never going back, unless I can save up THAT many bullets.
But im sure you will do much better financially there finn, and if thats whats important and NZ isnt working out for you, why not?

[Indoo]

Im sick of both parties, but brash is so far up on the list of dumbass powerhungry arseholes, Id rather have WINJA as leader than see that prat up there. Aus is a great place if your chasing the dollar, but its fucked in so many ways im never going back, unless I can save up THAT many bullets.
But im sure you will do much better financially there finn, and if thats whats important and NZ isnt working out for you, why not?

If it was just about finances I think you might find that Finn would be raving about Rodney Hides merits.

I think Don Brash is a retard as well in a political sense, but at the moment hes just not as repulsive and arrogant as Clark. Her absolute blatant lieing about the speeding motorcade, then even worse the condescending whip around to pay off the cops she sacrificed kinda did it for me. Not to mention the comments she made after the Waitara affair and the taxpayers compulsory donation to her election campaign just shows the sheer arrogance.

We haven't had a decent or deserving leader since Lange. Hopefully John Keys or Winja will change that.

[Finn]

Another blow to Labour... I'm really enjoying this. These rumours may not need to come out and this is with Brash at the helm. Wow.

I know this may be an impossibility, but I think Helen is going to get uglier.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10402871

[ManDownUnder]

How much for a private eye?

I'll put $100, and if we get a decent support base I say we tail the lot of them then make the findings public, without reservation or interpretation - just plop them out there on the web.

I reckon we should all know what's going on

[SPman]

The safest option is to vote for a party that will get at least a single electrate seat, but would not get over the 5% threshold. Every vote for such a party will help increase its number of MPs and reduce the government's majority. For right wing voters that would be ACT, for left wing voters either United or the Maori Party.
Im glad to see my Maori party vote had some effect........

[Indiana_Jones]

<img src="http://usera.imagecave.com/Zapruder/clarkvsbrash.jpg">

-Indy

[Finn]

Im glad to see my Maori party vote had some effect........

Great. You voted for the maori tea party and then left NZ. Thanks a lot mate.

However, I too voted for the maori party but only cause I want free stuff with no accountability and I certainly don't want to work for it.

[Skyryder]

Another blow to Labour... I'm really enjoying this. These rumours may not need to come out and this is with Brash at the helm. Wow.

I know this may be an impossibility, but I think Helen is going to get uglier.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10402871

I see on the news tonight Brash has disassociated the National party from the xclusive Bretheren.

Clark 1
Brash 0

With Labout :buggerd: (that's not a typo just another playon words):spanking: down 5 points in the polls I will concede it was a hollow victory.

Skyryder

[Mr. Peanut]

Politics are boring. Ride.

[Dafe]

I see on the news tonight Brash has disassociated the National party from the xclusive Bretheren.

Clark 1
Brash 0

With Labout :buggerd: (that's not a typo just another playon words):spanking: down 5 points in the polls I will concede it was a hollow victory.

Skyryder



How does Clark get 1 and Don get 0 today/tonight?

It's been 7 years since we seen National pass Labour, yet alone rocket past Labour. and you think it's Clark 1, Don 0.

In my eyes, you're either a) Plainly a fucken idiot :Pokey:
or b) got a weird sense of humour!

Tonight/Last night & Tomorrow Night is clearly Nationals Night!!!

& it's only gonna get better!

[Dafe]

Politics are boring. Ride.

Fark Off! Politics are hugely interesting.
It affects whether you will persist on riding over speed limits, how often and where and when you'll wheelie, How much money it will cost to fill your tank and when you'll be upgrading your bike.

My biggest regret is not studying Politics at university, I would have loved to be involved in the shit slinging going on these days.

[Skyryder]

How does Clark get 1 and Don get 0 today/tonight?

It's been 7 years since we seen National pass Labour, yet alone rocket past Labour. and you think it's Clark 1, Don 0.

In my eyes, you're either a) Plainly a fucken idiot :Pokey:
or b) got a weird sense of humour!

Tonight/Last night & Tomorrow Night is clearly Nationals Night!!!

& it's only gonna get better!

Let me explain

Clark has diverted Labour's overspending at the expense of Brash's affair.

National and the xclusive Bretheren while not exactly in the same bed are certainly in the same bedroom.

The xclusive Bretheren hired a detective to find out dirt on Labour that National would have expolited for their own political ends.

The private detective denies that he is working for the Bretheren then the next day admits that he is. Any information that he has gathered is now suspect beause of the lie.

National now can not use this info because the detective is unrealiable.

As a result National now ditch the Bretheren and want no association with them.

So I was wrong.

Clark 2
Brash 0

I never was any good at maths.

Skyryder

PS Always have had a warped (6 Mr Spock) sense of humour. Sometimes it's so fast it can not be seen. :beer:

[padre]

[QUOTE=Skyryder;765141]Let me explain

Clark has diverted Labour's overspending at the expense of Brash's affair.
National and the xclusive Bretheren while not exactly in the same bed are certainly in the same bedroom.

The xclusive Bretheren hired a detective to find out dirt on Labour that National would have expolited for their own political ends. The private detective denies that he is working for the Bretheren then the next day admits that he is. Any information that he has gathered is now suspect beause of the lie.

National now can not use this info because the detective is unrealiable.

Those are the facts but you fail to take into account the emotional component. Nats now get the sympathy vote for trying hard eg trawling thru the reds rubbish but not quite scoring.

Brash gets to look far more interesting than the gray suited economist he is. We now see him as a man able to simultaneously plot with an interesting very straitlaced cult while bedding an interest group whore. We now see him as human. Kind of. Well flawed anyway.

A desperate David seeking to fell Goliath who has the numbers, brains and gnashy choppers on her side. Increasing Brashes appeal and our fascination with the weasel is that Rich and Powers seem to be plotting his burial. Watch out for Rich, she'll make brash and Hells kitchen seem like pussycats. Look in her eyes and tell me the beast hasn't landed.

Rich, Brash and Power - it sounds like a list of cardinal sins does it not.

[Hillbilly]

Hah! What a joke! With the exception of ACT and the NT, which are both run by the Federal Parliament, every state in Aussie has a Labor Government!

[Skyryder]

[QUOTE=Skyryder;765141]Let me explain

Clark has diverted Labour's overspending at the expense of Brash's affair.
National and the xclusive Bretheren while not exactly in the same bed are certainly in the same bedroom.

The xclusive Bretheren hired a detective to find out dirt on Labour that National would have expolited for their own political ends. The private detective denies that he is working for the Bretheren then the next day admits that he is. Any information that he has gathered is now suspect beause of the lie.

National now can not use this info because the detective is unrealiable.

Those are the facts but you fail to take into account the emotional component. Nats now get the sympathy vote for trying hard eg trawling thru the reds rubbish but not quite scoring.

Brash gets to look far more interesting than the gray suited economist he is. We now see him as a man able to simultaneously plot with an interesting very straitlaced cult while bedding an interest group whore. We now see him as human. Kind of. Well flawed anyway.

A desperate David seeking to fell Goliath who has the numbers, brains and gnashy choppers on her side. Increasing Brashes appeal and our fascination with the weasel is that Rich and Powers seem to be plotting his burial. Watch out for Rich, she'll make brash and Hells kitchen seem like pussycats. Look in her eyes and tell me the beast hasn't landed.

Rich, Brash and Power - it sounds like a list of cardinal sins does it not.

I don't disagree with your conclusion. If you check my earlier post you will see that it was a 'hollow' victory. But still a victory in 'real politik.'

I failed to mention in the talley that by calling for Brash's resignation she preempted any takeover bid from a new leader. Brash, Labour believe is a soft target.:buggerd: It remains to be seen if they are right.


So the new score

Clarke 3
Brash (still) 0


Skyryder


PS (Quote Padre) Rich, Brash and Power - it sounds like a list of cardinal sins does it not.


RICH, BRASH AND POWER
I was thinking it sounds more like a brand of soap powder ............as in all washed up :jerry:

[Lou Girardin]

Strangely enough, the Nats and Brash have risen in the polls.
Clark - 0
Nats - 1
It's the beginning of the end for the snaggletooth one. In two years time it'll be no treasury benches and no UN. Shame.

[Skyryder]

Strangely enough, the Nats and Brash have risen in the polls.
Clark - 0
Nats - 1
It's the beginning of the end for the snaggletooth one. In two years time it'll be no treasury benches and no UN. Shame.

You think people are going to be interested in this two years down the track. If it's a scrap between Clark and Brash I'd still put money on Clark. I don't think Brash will be there. The other thing Cullen has a lot of our money to give back, that's something that's not even in equation yet. But come closer to election time.

Just think what will happen if Labour pay back the money. You just watch them skyrocket up the polls. Will they do that?? They have nearly two years to raise it. That's all they have to do. Pay that back at the right time, and the Nats are :buggerd: What odds will you give me.

Skyryder

[Lou Girardin]

$50 Labour is out, next election.

[Skyryder]

$50 Labour is out, next election.

C'mon Lou. I asked for odds not the amount.
Skyryder

[Jamezo]

Depends on the timing, but I'm not sure repaying that money would help them politically; it would A) remind people of it all over again, and B) imply they were in the wrong.

Whether they actually were is a seperate discussion, but I think we'd all agree that what matters here is public perception, a notoriously seperate property.

[Finn]

MORE CORRUPTION FROM LABOUR!!!

They tried to use our money that they acquired illegally to offer a bribe to the maori party! Clark is going down big time. Labour weren't involved my arse.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10403403

[ManDownUnder]

Depends on the timing, but I'm not sure repaying that money would help them politically; it would A) remind people of it all over again, and B) imply they were in the wrong.

Whether they actually were is a seperate discussion, but I think we'd all agree that what matters here is public perception, a notoriously seperate property.

Either way they're fucked... Every other party is going to bring this up at the next election - it'll turn into a shit fight of some magnitude and the focus will be taken off the other real issues... like getting people off the dole, keeping people out of jail ... etc

[Skyryder]

MORE CORRUPTION FROM LABOUR!!!

They tried to use our money that they acquired illegally to offer a bribe to the maori party! Clark is going down big time. Labour weren't involved my arse.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10403403


This is where your bigotry comes to the fore. On your Maori thread you slag Maori all and sundry and yet with no evidence of Labour invlovement you now assume that Labour was invloved in offering a 'bribe' to the Maori Party. Even if Labour knew of the approach to Maori there is no evedence that taxpayers money is invloved. You are correct in quoting your arse. Once again you're covered in shit.

Skyryder

[Finn]

This is where your bigotry comes to the fore. On your Maori thread you slag Maori all and sundry and yet with no evidence of Labour invlovement you now assume that Labour was invloved in offering a 'bribe' to the Maori Party. Even if Labour knew of the approach to Maori there is no evedence that taxpayers money is invloved. You are correct in quoting your arse. Once again you're covered in shit.

Skyryder

Then we have something else other than bikes in common. I am of course refering to being covered in shit. Your head is so far up your arse that you've just about disappeared.

I got a PM from someone the other day suggesting that you secretly fantasize about Helen Clark and that SkyRyder, is disgusting.

[Indiana_Jones]

The Prime Minister's office said Labour had no knowledge of the offer,

You mean something like this?


<img src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42761&stc=1&d=1159409424">

-Indy

[Skyryder]

Then we have something else other than bikes in common. I am of course refering to being covered in shit. Your head is so far up your arse that you've just about disappeared.

When I come out I still blow you away.:jerry: :killingme :killingme

Skyryder

[Finn]

When I come out I still blow you away.:jerry: :killingme :killingme

Skyryder

Sorry GuyRyder, I'm not into that shit. Try Dover, he's still a bit confused.

[Skyryder]

Sorry GuyRyder, I'm not into that shit. Try Dover, he's still a bit confused.

Guyryder??. That took so many upteeeeeen posts did it not?? You're getting there...........slowly.

Yep my bikes a fella. Guzzi as in Goose. Goose as in Drake. It'a balls hang side by side. Where's your Finn...........inline from riding to many crotch rockets.

Skyryder