Xtra's new pricing plans

[Cajun]

http://xtraplans.co.nz/unleashed/plans_table.html

The go large plan is very interesting for p2p users,
$49.95 unlimited with speeds of max/128k. Attached is a fair use policy of using no more than 700megs between 4pm-midnight if you repeatly go over this you get a warning, then repeat put in the sinbin(but thats only for that time of day)


Most intesting part is they are not now days 3.5meg etc etc it is now just max, which we all know most people who are meant to be on a 3.5meg plan are getting 2meg 2.5meg if they are lucky

Personally i might look at moving to this plan myself.

Your internet traffic will also be managed if you are using p2p software at this time.

[Blackbird]

When did this come out Neal? it was only a couple of weeks ago when we upgraded from the 1Gb plan to the $49. 95/5 Gb plan.

Cheers

Geoff

[steved]

Finally! Now we are starting to get somewhere. Unlimited internet for $50/month. I wonder how annoying the limited traffic things will be with the p2p?

[steved]

When did this come out Neal? it was only a couple of weeks ago when we upgraded from the 1Gb plan to the $49. 95/5 Gb plan.

Cheers

Geoff
October 26 apparently.

[Fatjim]

announced today.

[Cajun]

Was only annoced today all plans start 26th october, and

visit http://xtraplans.co.nz/unleashed/ if you wanna register to move plans

[dawnrazor]

does this replace these plans

http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,8763,203086-202321,00.html?nv=sd

if so what happened to the 10Gigs/monthe for 60 bucks

or am I completely missing the point?

[Fatjim]

Hey Cowpoos, if you download more than 700Mb in a night you will be slowed to dialup speeds!

[Darryboy]

Commerce commission is looking into the plans... Why don't people trust what Telecom are offering?

Sauce (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488120/836359)

[Wasp]

well those plans suck ass.........

[thehollowmen]

I"m on 4 mbit cable.
Slows down to 200kbit as soon as I leave NZ. And this isn't just xtra. I think that there are problems now with the connections with NZ to the rest of the world.

(I've been using http://www.speedtest.net/index.php to test,as well as direct file transfers)

"end of the isolation age" my arse.

[Karma]

Commerce commission is looking into the plans... Why don't people trust what Telecom are offering?

There's a difference between Xtra and Telecom. Xtra pay no less for the core DSL service than any other isp, that's what unbundling is about.


well those plans suck ass.........


Personally I'm up for Go Large. $50 per month for max download speed and no cap. Only having to slow down p2p during peak hours, regular web surfing during peak hours will still be at full speed.

We'll wait to see what the other ISPs release, but if I'd offered you the Go Large plan 6 months ago you would have jumped at it... can't please some people.

[The Pastor]

Gay I use 3gb a month, if i used 2gb that go express would be awesome!

[Craig11]

Upload speeds are still really crap though.... Unless you go for the pro ones, which are the same price as now. I don't like how they saying they will give you max speed either.....
It just means they will blame your phone lines for crappy speeds..

[Lou Girardin]

I wouldn't deal with Telescum if it was free. Have some pride.

[MOTOXXX]

ill just hold out until telstra does a better deal.

shitestream can suck my balls

[Swoop]

... if you repeatly go over this you get a warning, then repeat put in the sinbin
Do telescum have user infractions as well???:whistle:

I wouldn't deal with Telescum if it was free. Have some pride.:2thumbsup

[Harry33]

Finally! Now we are starting to get somewhere. Unlimited internet for $50/month. I wonder how annoying the limited traffic things will be with the p2p?

700meg limit between 4pm to midnight....mmmm
It will be a pain for most p2p users unless you start your big file downloads after midnight and before 4pm. Probably been giving pressure from movie\music companys to try and cut down on piracy etc.
I'm happy with my 10gig limit plan. I seem to stretch it to 14gigs most months. On my current plan it just slows to dialup once I reach my limit. I don't go hard until the last three days. It's great downloading the lastest tv shows without ads.

[Brian d marge]

Its just the last gasp of a dying company... Over here as i have said I am on a national speed of 35mbps and a international of 2 mbps

( the cheating baskets advertise 100 mbps ) its only when u sign up do you find out !

This is unlimited , with NO slowing due to traffic ,,,( there might be but every time I check its always 16 to 20 % at the server) and I cant tell if it gets slow

said it once say it again the basic infrastructres should never be privatized or the common man gets :buggerd:


Stephen

[Harry33]

Yeah have to agree Stephen,I'm shifting overseas next year to Canada and according to my wife they don't place caps on usage. I can't wait.

[SARGE]

im keen on seeing what Orcon have to offer when the un-bundling happens .. would be nice to get Cable like have back home .. but i doubt that NZ's Infrastructure can take much more than it already has in its pipes ..

from the switches its all good to have the fiber optic lines but once you move away from the trunk its just 30 year old copper

[emaN]

Been talking to a mate over the w/end; he called me on his VOIP and i couldn't tell...
What's he got? 15mbs down, 5mbs up...no limit
for the grand total of $44/mth
Howzaat?

[Street Gerbil]

Unfortunately I am stuck with Orcon's former "unlimited" plan until next March.

[Lias]

700meg limit between 4pm to midnight....mmmm
It will be a pain for most p2p users unless you start your big file downloads after midnight and before 4pm. Probably been giving pressure from movie\music companys to try and cut down on piracy etc.
I'm happy with my 10gig limit plan. I seem to stretch it to 14gigs most months. On my current plan it just slows to dialup once I reach my limit. I don't go hard until the last three days. It's great downloading the lastest tv shows without ads.

From the xtra site:

..That means we will transfer you into the Fair Use Pool where you will share a fixed amount of bandwidth with other users in this pool. You will remain in the Fair Use Pool for 1 week.

Should your usage remain high for sustained periods of a month or more then we may contact you to discuss moving you to a more suitable plan...

They are giving us "uncapped" access btu if we use anything near it they will put you in a limited bandwidth pool, and if yous tay inthat pool for more than a month they will cut your account off.

Its still lightyears from being true uncapped DSL. If they want to be at all competive by global standards, we need unrestrained downstream, 1mb+ or uncapped upstream, no traffic management, no leecher bandwidth pools, no peak time restrictions, for under NZD$40 a month.

I still want to move to HK and get 100mb/sec duplex with no data restrictions for about NZD$50 a month :-(

[Lias]

Unfortunately I am stuck with Orcon's former "unlimited" plan until next March.

Orcon will hopefully have new plans within a week or two. If they dont they will heamorage (sp?) customers and they know it.

I'm on the Orcon 256k/40gb (formerly uncapped) but I have no locked in contract so I'm quite happy to jump ship anytime.. I jumped ship from Ihug after 8 years when Ihug ditched there flatrate plans and have no huge loyalty to any ISP these days. I will go where the best leech plans are.

[GR81]

why move to faster plans when my exchange wont give me 0.4Mb during the evenings?
it's a joke, the only upside is no cap.

the torrent software i use (utorrnet) has a scheduler, which is mint, ill just set it to leech hard and then slow down when needed :D

either way, they are still a joke!


Unfortunately I am stuck with Orcon's former "unlimited" plan until next March.
normally ur not stuck with a plan, ur stuck with an ISP, they dont mind you changing plans.

[Wasp]

agreed lias

those xtra plans are not designed for downloading be it legal or illegal....

I want cable...... but it goes past the top of my street and not down it..... so close yet so far....

[scracha]

agreed lias

those xtra plans are not designed for downloading be it legal or illegal....

I want cable...... but it goes past the top of my street and not down it..... so close yet so far....

ferFucks sake...you lot can't winge. Ok, so the interweb connections are $hit and Telecom are owned by a bunch of greedy fat American bar-stewards but hey, this is a beautiful country. It's clean, it's green, it's got honest politicians, low energy prices, the roads are billiard smooth and there's so much racial harmony.

Why can't you's be cheery like the pomms?

[kro]

Telecom (Xtra) have been behind the eight ball for DSL plans for years now, even their competitors, who have to pay Telecom for the line traffic, can come up with a better plan than they can.

People, when considering a broadband plan, always, and I mean ALWAYS, look at the upload speed, not just the download, and look for shitty clauses, such as the ones outlined in Xtra's "new " plans.

I would wait a few months more, before committing to any sort of plan, as the full effects of the unbundling are far from being fully appreciated yet.

For the laymen and women
Download speed = how fast images posted on KB take to show up on your screen
Upload speed = How long it takes to post your own pictures on KB.

The first "hi speed" plan I got it, was 128kbps down speed, and 128kbps up speed. Only marginally faster than dial up, and this plan was available 2000/2001. Today, 5 or 6 years later, we are still being offered 128kbps as an upload speed, which is truly, completely, astoundingly pathetic. Yes our download speeds are a bit faster, but we are still being offered 2nd rate plans at best, by Telecom. As I said, too soon to commit imo, wait a bit longer.

[Drunken Monkey]

...I still want to move to HK and get 100mb/sec duplex with no data restrictions for about NZD$50 a month :-(

Hands up if you think this is a great plan...mmmmm, Hong Kong stadium girls...

[GR81]

Orcon have semi-released their intentions for high speed plans...
will be interesting to see their 'fair use policy' etc also
depends whether they run no cap plans or not i guess.


The new plans will be available to order from October the 26th. Existing Orcon customers may elect to change to any one of the new plans at no charge, otherwise you will continue on your existing plan.

http://www.orcon.net.nz/orcon_blog/orcon_news/all_new_broadband_plans_coming_soon/

While we are putting the finishing touches on the plans, but there is a couple of things we can tell you about them:

* There will be full-speed plans: full-speed means that your connection speed is as fast is your telephone line will allow, up to a blazing 7.6Mbps down and 768Kbps up.
* You will be able to request to have interleaving on your phone line turned off. This may reduce the amount of latency on your broadband connection, which can improve things like online gaming and voice over IP (VOIP) services.


Those customers currently on 3.5Mbps/512Kbps plans will be automatically upgraded to full-speed/full-speed, and those on 3.5Mbps/128Kbps will be upgraded to full-speed/128Kbps.

[Cajun]

doesn't say anything about people on there 256k/128k 40gb plan

[Wasp]

* You will be able to request to have interleaving on your phone line turned off.
FUCK YEA! i love you orcon :hug:

who needs 7.6mbps anyways.... i want QUALITY not QUANTITY......

[Lil_Byte]

It is all faster than a 2400bps modem which is when I remember starting going online and the "Interweb" wasn't available in NZ. The Bulletin Bord guys were the only market in town.

So put things in perspective a bit and give us all the bloody bandwidth we want for a bloody reasonable rate ... Cheating cloody ISPs:jerry:

[sAsLEX]

What I am annoyed at is when I first got my current connection I went wireless as 50 a month was unlimeted fast (230KBs on p2p stuff down) net. Now they have introduced a cap at 10 gigs which is poos and I am now looking for a new provider, and they all seem to be more expensive than when I joined my current one years ago.

Cheaper internet

Yeah right.

This new xtra plan looks the business though!

[Cajun]

It is all faster than a 2400bps modem which is when I remember starting going online and the "Interweb" wasn't available in NZ. The Bulletin Bord guys were the only market in town.

Mine was a 1200 baud modem on local akl bbs going back about 17 years ago now

[GR81]

who needs 7.6mbps anyways.... i want QUALITY not QUANTITY......
amen brother!!!

[Wasp]

aye, but thinking that over if theres going to be a data cap i'll hapily trade say 1mb for 10gbs.

soooo.... that makes 7.6mb&10gb - 1mb for interleaving - 1mb for extra 10gb = 5.6mb and 20gb cap for lets say $50 a month? insert tui ad here.....

[Fub@r]

Orcon have semi-released their intentions for high speed plans...
will be interesting to see their 'fair use policy' etc also
depends whether they run no cap plans or not i guess.

Wouldn't Orcon and all other ISP's have to honor the "fair use" policy. I can't see XTRA imposing it if they didn't have some way of making part of the wholsesale plans

[bane]

Mine was a 1200 baud modem on local akl bbs going back about 17 years ago now

same for me. 1200 baud modem on a bbs called "Tinkerbell" back in the mid 80's.

How things have changed (not), 20 years later Im lucky to get 1.2kb/s on dial up....

[Wasp]

Wouldn't Orcon and all other ISP's have to honor the "fair use" policy. I can't see XTRA imposing it if they didn't have some way of making part of the wholsesale plans
If they don't I'd expect it to cost about $10 more than xtra's but thats ok by me - i'll happliy pay that.

[chanceyy]

well along with poosy .... I just want BB .. but stuck to good old dial up .. til the end of the yr .. apparently ( tui ad)

:dodge: & the new fibre optic runs over my damn lawn .. but i am on a mini exchange grrrrrrrrrr so until that is changed to the main exchange stuck in no mans land :angry:

love rural living .. just sucks for internet usage :nono:

[FzerozeroT]

Today being the 26th of October you can now change your plan to one of the new plans,

for myself that means my new plan will go from a 10gig cap to unlimited and I will save $10 a month,

If you do not ring telecom (or fill out the online form) you will be on basically the same plan but with faster download speed and for the same cost.

[Cajun]

orcon updated there plans

http://www.orcon.net.nz/broadband/

not good at all

[Wasp]

why not? looks good to me..... am i missing something?

edit: pro (max/max) without tolls and 15gbs of data is what i will probably be going to = $70

[Cajun]

why not? looks good to me..... am i missing something?

edit: pro (max/max) without tolls and 15gbs of data is what i will probably be going to = $70


yeah very sucky motor, at this rate i might look at moving to xtra.

[bobsmith]

I've had some look around for plans and I've found that Orcon has bloody good plans as well. It all depends on what you need but if you want uncapped upload speed you might find Orcon plans that suit better.

[Wasp]

motor, you mean the generally worser quality?

[Sniper]

Attached is a fair use policy of using no more than 700megs between 4pm-midnight if you repeatly go over this you get a warning, then repeat put in the sinbin(but thats only for that time of day)



Fair use my arse. They did that deliberatly cause its the general time people are downloading during those times

[sAsLEX]

So all those on the new FULL SPEED extra wanna post your results to this:
http://www.nzdsl.co.nz/module-Speedtest.phtml


Last Result:
Download Speed: 1932 kbps (241.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 921 kbps (115.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

Theres mine on my wireless connection.

[Wasp]

heres works speed (wireless to fibre into citylink in town), normally the dl speed is well into the 10mbs.
Download Speed: 1791 kbps (223.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 4712 kbps (589 KB/sec transfer rate)

home adsl 3.5/128 is about 320/15, will post when we change to the new plans

[Wasp]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=36228

i'll stick with orcon just because im already with them

[GR81]

why not? looks good to me..... am i missing something?
xtra offer unlimited with rules.
orcon offer 20gb with rules.
slingshot offer 25gb with rules.

better than before, but still crap.

[Damon]

I'm with actirx and our plan was 3.5/128 with a daily 1gb limit for $79.95 which was good because if i went over the limit it was backup to speed the next day but now the plan is max/128 still with the 1gb daily limit for the same price, as much as i hate telecom/xtra i'd rather be paying $30 less with no limit

[Lias]

Orcons new plans suck nuts!

I'd be going from 256k/128 and 40gb cap to max/128k and 20gb cap.. And tahts after theyve already nerfed me down to 40gb from uncapped. Their new offer is _worse_ than xtra, who have a 21gb (30*700mb) during peak hours, and no cap whatsoever during offpeak hours. Even restricting my p2p traffic to 16 hours a day, with uncapped download speeds I'm still going to be pulling in 100's of gb a month.

[erik]

doesn't say anything about people on there 256k/128k 40gb plan

I'm on that plan. On this page:
http://www.orcon.net.nz/orcon_blog/orcon_news/new_orcon_broadband_plans_build_your_own/

it says existing customers won't be changed over to the new plans.

The nearest new plan for me (if I want to avoid the "traffic management" on the zero shock plan) would be the surfer (without tolls) and the 30GB cap.

But that would put my cap 10GB less than it currently is and make the monthly charge $10 more than currently!!!

Bloody ridiculous. Back in the good old days, before they unbundled things, my plan had no cap, had the same speeds (256kbps/128kbps) and was $10/month cheaper than currently if I remember correctly.

[Wenier]

i need to move into town for Telstra and get some 10mb/4mb i think it is. Not in our area :( Slingshot had some good plans at one stage.

[Wasp]

xtra offer unlimited with rules.
orcon offer 20gb with rules.
slingshot offer 25gb with rules.

better than before, but still crap.
I border on 10gb limit with a bit of trouble, 15gb without rules should suit me fine and costs the same as what im on now. ($70 split in half with my bro)

fyi xtra's 700mbs a night is 21gbs a month (30 days)........

[GR81]

it's not the caps we should be worried about, its the fact our exchanges wont be able to cope with the max speeds they claim to offer.

max speed for everyone = back to 256k type speeds! haha
i struggle to get above 512k speeds at peak times now, let alone unraveling everyone now!

bollocks to telecom!

[Wasp]

aye, have been thinking about that one but didnt mention it......

[Hoon]

Download Speed: 3366 kbps (420.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 118 kbps (14.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

I've just rung Xtra and got my plan changed over to "Go Large" but I don't know if its taken effect yet even though the guy said it should.

The scores above look the same as my old 3.5mbps plan but I'll try again later on.

[Smokin]

I'm with Slingshot and by the looks of it for $49.95 the 25gig deal is lookin pretty good.

[gav]

Last Result:
Download Speed: 3186 kbps (398.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 123 kbps (15.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
I'm currently on the 5g Explorer deal with xtra, but already gone over my limit, since 16 Oct.....Not sure what the best deal is to be honest, currently paying $49.95 per mth.

OK, just swapped to the Go Large deal, same price.

[Wasp]

yea, the $50 deals with orcon and xtra seem pretty good

talked to my bro last night about it and he didnt even argue but he didnt want to do the online one cos it needed the telcome line's account number which is my parents.... so im going to make him sit in a queue tonight

[vifferman]

We're with ihug, on an $80 plan, which is the second to bestest they offer. If we stay on $80, it will be their fastest plan under the new scheme, with 7.6 download, 800k upload, and a 20Gb cap. But (however/also/as well) we'll have to sign up with a phone plan which will be $10 a month more than now.

[GR81]

but you dont pay a line rental to telecom tho eh?

[vifferman]

but you dont pay a line rental to telecom tho eh?
If we go 'all ihug' then we'll be paying ihug the ~$40/month instead, but we have to also pick a plan, such as "Talk1", which is $15/month for cheap off-peak toll calls, or "Talk0" which is unlimited calls to a nominated vodafone mobile for $10 a month.
It's the "Talkx" plan that costs the extra. As we're not big on talking on the phone (our average landline to mobile plus national tolls is around $15/month), we'll end up paying a few bux more a month for the privilege of giving Telecon the finger. And getting more fatness on our ADSL.

[bobsmith]

We're with ihug, on an $80 plan, which is the second to bestest they offer. If we stay on $80, it will be their fastest plan under the new scheme, with 7.6 download, 800k upload, and a 20Gb cap. But (however/also/as well) we'll have to sign up with a phone plan which will be $10 a month more than now.

You can get the same plan from Orcon with toll for $60 (max/max and ZeroShock) and you don't have to have the silly ihug calling plan thing

[Hoon]

OK I've been cutover to the new plan now. One way you can confirm is that your IP will change from 22x.x.x.x to the 125.x.x.x range.

A quick test shows:

Download Speed: 3849 kbps (481.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 129 kbps (16.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

Some improvement at least. Better than I ever had on my old plan and given its peak time now too.

[gav]

Last Result:
Download Speed: 3186 kbps (398.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 123 kbps (15.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
I'm currently on the 5g Explorer deal with xtra, but already gone over my limit, since 16 Oct.....Not sure what the best deal is to be honest, currently paying $49.95 per mth.

OK, just swapped to the Go Large deal, same price.

OK, new test reveals this

Last Result:
Download Speed: 4296 kbps (537 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 126 kbps (15.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

Seems OK? Hasnt cost anymore.....

[bobsmith]

On my new Orcon max/max with Zeroshock for $60 a month:

Download Speed: 4491 kbps (561.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 605 kbps (75.6 KB/sec transfer rate)

Very nice indeed... especially when using with bittorrent due to the high upload speed....

[Wasp]

it'll be interesting to see how yours and my bt speeds compare bobsmith, ive opted for the 15gb plan instead of the zeroshock

hanst changed yet, my brother will be kicking some ass tommorow or ill be kicking his :ar15:

[MOTOXXX]

telstra clear.... 2mb down.... 2mb up

just 5gb is my limit.

good for using sslvpns and torrents.

[The Pastor]

On my new Orcon max/max with Zeroshock for $60 a month:

Download Speed: 4491 kbps (561.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 605 kbps (75.6 KB/sec transfer rate)

Very nice indeed... especially when using with bittorrent due to the high upload speed....

Why is it so low on the upload if its max/max?

[bobsmith]

that's because it's ADSL, the uplink has less bandwidth than downlink to speed up downloads. read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADSL

600kbps of uplink is actually fairly good for a ADSL connection.

[Fub@r]

Well XTRA have totally killed my exchange after "unleashing" the internet.

I've gone from a stable 1.9mbit/180k (on 2mbit plan) to 0.7mbit/124k on Go Large plan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After being on hold for 90 minutes, I finally got a reasonable guy on the phone and got a nice little deal for a month (free) on a max/max plan. If this solves my issues I will be going to another ISP for a max/max plan rather than staying with Xtra after what they have done.

Dude said to me they have an "action team" looking in to why so many customers are getting really poor service............I said "shit mate its not rocket science, you have doubled the number of people per pipe what do you expect!!!!!!"

[Wasp]

aye same with me

went from 3.2/128 solid during peak times on orcons 3.5/128 plan

am now on max/max which equals 2.8mb/116 during peak (yet to test unpeaked) but it does look like the upload is sort of bursting.....

on the bright side, my ping in counter strike has dropped from 84ish to 30ish on nz servers and from 120 to 70 on aus servers :D

i heard a rumour that they were going to upgrade the exchanges again

[jase]

Got fed up with Xtra, no one speaks english, on hold for ages, and now my speed sucks.

Now I'm with Ihug. All good.

[raster]

Download Speed: 3997 kbps (499.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 133 kbps (16.6 KB/sec transfer rate)


up from 1900 kbps it was before on $39 plan, I upped to the Go large because we are always cracking the limit.

Just keep in mind, often to get these higher speeds the modems have to be capable of it, I think you have to have a DSL2+ modem to get above 4Mps, all these modems that the ISPs have been giving away may not be capable of the higher speeds???

[bane]

Download Speed: 3997 kbps (499.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 133 kbps (16.6 KB/sec transfer rate)



same speed for me. Never used xtra b4 (heard the horror stories), but so far impressed.

Rung technical support twice, both times minimal on hold period - friendly helpful staff

[sAsLEX]

aye same with me

went from 3.2/128 solid during peak times on orcons 3.5/128 plan

am now on max/max which equals 2.8mb/116 during peak (yet to test unpeaked) but it does look like the upload is sort of bursting.....

on the bright side, my ping in counter strike has dropped from 84ish to 30ish on nz servers and from 120 to 70 on aus servers :D

i heard a rumour that they were going to upgrade the exchanges again

Thats shocking ping,

My ping was around 14-20 on NZ severs and I am on a wireless connection which I would assume slows shit up!?

[Wasp]

aye, atleast its an improvement though - still would rather have cable though.

what sort of wireless though? whoosh style? cos our work conection is wireless (to a fibre line connected to the wix network) and we get <10 ping from there to pretty much all of nz

speeds still suck, while I was at the Kendog's place today they showed me www.speedtest.net - all i can say is check it out :yes: