Taser Guns

[Monorail]

This may be a repost and if it is im sorry

"Police have drawn Tasers twice more in the last 10 days, bringing the total number of times they have been used to 13.
About 180 police in greater Auckland and Wellington were trained to use Tasers before they were officially added to the police arsenal on September 1, despite protests from some politicians and anti-Taser groups.
Police have fired the Taser once, used laser painting – highlighting the target with a red dot – nine times and drawn the stun guns three times.
In most of the incidents in question there were weapons or suspected weapons involved, police said.
In the latest incidents, a Taser was drawn in New Lynn to catch an offender who had threatened a woman with a knife on September 20.
Last Wednesday police drew a Taser and laser painted a man armed with a knife who had threatened to kill himself in Counties Manakau.
The incident where a Taser was discharged involved the arrest of an 18-year-old man in Western Springs on September 8.
Police said the man suffered minor lacerations from the probe contact and no injuries when he fell.
He was later charged with assault with a weapon, threatening to kill, possession of an offensive weapon and possession of a knife.
Police have defended the use of Tasers, describing them as an important crime-fighting tool amidst growing violence, but critics have called for them to be banned."

Personnaly i'm pro these tasers as policemen and women can safely deal with certain situations without having to wait for armed offenders and can avoid fatal and non fatal incindents without drawing real guns like the incident where the guy died someplace and the man who took like 4 shots from two officers who survived.
What are your guys thoughts?

[Indiana_Jones]

I'm for them.

-Indy

[Monorail]

I'm for them.

-Indy

any particular reason?

[Indiana_Jones]

any particular reason?

I feel sorry for the bastards, it's catch 22.

Well considering half the shit the cops have to deal with, it's hardly fair that don't get much to take it on with.

But then you have the PC bragade come along, who somehow have this idea that cops are now gonna Tazor every person they talk to. So they don't want them to tazors or weapons, but still at the same time stop crimminals.

It's like taking a builder's tools from him and telling him to make a house


"Oh you injuried this man when you apprehended him!"

"Shit, you didn't stop this guy and now he's killed someone!"

:Pokey:

:beer:

-Indy

[scumdog]

I'm for them, nothing like seeing some arsehole loser doing the funky-chicken on the ground, kinda makes your day!:banana:

[SARGE]

every front line officer should have one IMO..

[The_Dover]

cops are pussies and need all the protection they can get.

except Dyna, I heard he was real hard and could waste even Chuck Norris.

[Drunken Monkey]

Nah, stuff tazers - they're for rent-a-cops and practical jokers. If the police can't deal with an offender using an ASP, then they should just shoot 'em with their Glock. I don't see a need for an intermediate device like a tazer. Pffft.

Edit: nothing says it better than spank's pictures: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=772823&postcount=83
booyah!

[Monorail]

have you guys seen the assualt rifle tazer. fuckin mint

[Meekey_Mouse]

cops are pussies and need all the protection they can get.

except Dyna, I heard he was real hard and could waste even Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris is un-wastable lol

[John Banks]

So they've threatened to tazer a douchebag that was threatening to kill a woman.

IMHO I wouldn't be shedding a tear if they had decided to shoot the guy for shits and giggles.

[SARGE]

Nah, stuff tazers - they're for rent-a-cops and practical jokers. If the police can't deal with an offender using an ASP, then they should just shoot 'em with their Glock. I don't see a need for an intermediate device like a tazer. Pffft.

Edit: nothing says it better than spank's pictures: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=772823&postcount=83
booyah!

yea .. but dealing the ass whipping like that will give the soft cock hippies something else to winge about ..

[Patrick]

cops are pussies and need all the protection they can get.

except Dyna, I heard he was real hard and could waste even Chuck Norris.

We know you like your boys hard...

[Patrick]

So they've threatened to tazer a douchebag that was threatening to kill a woman.

IMHO I wouldn't be shedding a tear if they had decided to shoot the guy for shits and giggles.

I vote this man for Minister of Police... oh ... wait... been done before!

[The_Dover]

Chuck Norris is un-wastable lol

no, Dyna really is THAT hard.

I think it's the uniform that does it for him.

Of course I like my boys hard Patrick, I don't wanna hang out with poofs and big jessies.

[Patrick]

no, Dyna really is THAT hard.

I think it's the uniform that does it for him.

Of course I like my boys hard Patrick, I don't wanna hang out with poofs and big jessies.

The Dover for Catholic Priest of the year award...:buggerd:

[The_Dover]

don't tar me with the religion stick pig.

i'd rather be associated with church burners and quarry dancers.....

[Patrick]

don't tar me with the religion stick pig.

i'd rather be associated with church burners and quarry dancers.....

Nah... I'm not a stick pig... I'm about 100kgs...

[The_Dover]

LAY OFF THE DONUTS.

ok?

[Damon]

I'm all for them, i watched some chat show a few weeks back, eye2eye i think, some show based on maori concerns blah blah blah, anyway, this one cock did his home work and said that since they were introduced in the states some years ago 200 people have died from them, and he said it was a bad thing? he didn't say how many millions they were used on but thats the way the hippies play their stats,

another guys was against them cause he said they would be used mainly on maori's and islanders? my answer to both arguments is dont do the crime and you wont be tazered to the ground shaking in a puddle of your own piss.

[The_Dover]

dont do the crime and you wont be tazered to the ground shaking in a puddle of your own piss.

I don't usually need to commit a crime or be tazered.

Inebriation is usually enough.

[Patrick]

LAY OFF THE DONUTS.

ok?

Shit no, then when I sit on people I will have no effect...

[McJim]

they should just shoot 'em with their Glock.

Why do the police in New Zealand use small tuned percussion instruments to shoot people? Why don't they use a gun? - would save wear and tear on Glockenspiels.....that's probably the root of all the problems. Kiddies in kindie have no musical instruments coz the police are out using them to aprehend criminals...kiddies get unhappy and grow up to design P labs...the whole vicious cycle is exposed.:rofl:

[k14]

except Dyna, I heard he was real hard and could waste even Chuck Norris.
what about jack bauer?

[The_Dover]

no worries, he's a bit soft.

[scumdog]

I'm all for them, i watched some chat show a few weeks back, eye2eye i think, some show based on maori concerns blah blah blah, anyway, this one cock did his home work and said that since they were introduced in the states some years ago 200 people have died from them, and he said it was a bad thing? he didn't say how many millions they were used on but thats the way the hippies play their stats,

Usual shit by goody-two shoes - they forgot to mention the US Tazers are a whole world away from what NZ has, they are way more powerful for a start.

And if you died as a result of Tazer use? Then I guess ya picked a bad day to become a Tazer target.:buggerd:

[jonbuoy]

If I ever have kids I'll be kitting them out with their own homemade Tasers. Its non lethal in most cases so whats the problem.

[Patrick]

[QUOTE=Damon;773275] this one cock did his home work and said that since they were introduced in the states some years ago 200 people have died from themQUOTE]

Note he "forgot" to mention how many were blown away by automatic gun fire/shotgun blast etc...what a cock alright.

[SARGE]

Shit no, then when I sit on people I will have no effect...

bet i can throw down more donuts than you Pat..


decades of practice in the land that perfected donuts ya know .....


i have witnesses..

[Ixion]

If I ever have kids I'll be kitting them out with their own homemade Tasers. Its non lethal in most cases so whats the problem.


I wonder how long before people start carrying them? It is after all, NOT a deadly weapon, and since the effects have been declared to be non-hazardous and not worth worrying about, any assault charge could be argued to be of the most technical nature. Akin to striking someone with a feather.

So, what would happen if I, Jo Householder, found a burglar in my house. And pulled a Taser from under my bed and tasered said burglar ?

[SARGE]

I wonder how long before people start carrying them? It is after all, NOT a deadly weapon, and since the effects have been declared to be non-hazardous and not worth worrying about, any assault charge could be argued to be of the most technical nature. Akin to striking someone with a feather.

So, what would happen if I, Jo Householder, found a burglar in my house. And pulled a Taser from under my bed and tasered said burglar ?



they are totally legal in the States ( not the projectile models.. the prong models).. i can go into my local K mart and pick up a 50,000 volt stun gun for about US$50.. i used to carry one when i worked in a nightclub ( right next to the 9mm ) and only had to use it once.. you light the fire on one of those and the dick head sees the blue arc.. it changes their minds about their attitude in a hurry


If I ever have kids I'll be kitting them out with their own homemade Tasers. Its non lethal in most cases so whats the problem.


here ya go boyo (http://www.personalarms.com/schematics.htm)

and here (http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/circ/hv/stungun/stungun.html)

[Indoo]

I this one cock did his home work and said that since they were introduced in the states some years ago 200 people have died from them.

Thats the same figure Keith Locke was bleating about, which is funny given that amnesty international who did the research which hes quoting actually stated that in only 15 or so of those cases did the taser possibly play any role in the death at all. Funny how they don't mention how many have died in the UK or that in N.Z the taser is far weaker.

[Monorail]

i think personal tasers are a brilliant idea. Much more effective than pepper spray would be

[Ixion]

So, resident Plod Persons, are these things legal in NZ, or not. And if not , why not, given how harmless they are.

[SARGE]

So, resident Plod Persons, are these things legal in NZ, or not. And if not , why not, given how harmless they are.



screw it .. im gonna build one ..

[Ixion]

I reckon that surplus electronics place at the top of Queen St would have almost all that stuff.

[SARGE]

I reckon that surplus electronics place at the top of Queen St would have almost all that stuff.

wonder how much power i can build with a car battery??

not to mention the intimidation factor of having a backpack stun gun that fires blue arcs 12 meters

[Indoo]

So, resident Plod Persons, are these things legal in NZ, or not. And if not , why not, given how harmless they are.

The same reason why its not legal to walk about the streets as a private citizen with an asp batton, pr24 and pepper spray.

[Ixion]

Tis legal to keep a baton in my house though. And pepper spray required special legislation to make it illegal

[Patrick]

So, resident Plod Persons, are these things legal in NZ, or not. And if not , why not, given how harmless they are.

It would fall under the "Restricted Weapon" class...same as pepper spray etc

[Indoo]

Tis legal to keep a baton in my house though. And pepper spray required special legislation to make it illegal

Its also legal to keep guns and swords, I doubt you could ever justify having a taser as a collectors item or an ornament though.

[Monorail]

changing the topic slightly, but in yesterdays paper they were talking about a gun that fires over a million rounds a minute, absolute pwnage

[Indiana_Jones]

That'd just be wasting bullets, like an MG42 lol

-Indy

[TLDV8]

Getting tasered has got to be a tad better than being shot.
I heard a rumour, the first time one was presented here the person in question's attitude changed for the better in a blink.
Imo,one thing that sucks is... NZ is is perhaps 5 to 10 years behind other Countries like the US when it comes to crime.That being what is happening here happened somewhere else years before.
The powers to be here had the advantage of learning from those who have already been there yet did nothing.We are lucky there are handgun laws here,at this point the weapon of choice in South Auckland seems to be the Hammer.
Any one getting zapped will have put themselves in a position of asking for it so there is still Freedom of Choice.

Who was that wanker on TV the other night saying crime hadn't risen,it was glitch when they changed over from the Wanganui computer or something like that.......That there are plenty of Police (not to be confused with MOT in disguise or Rookies)....... I wonder how many Detectives have left or transferred in the Manukau district this year,15 ?)


Whats the bet,presenting a taser used or not means paperwork. ?

Tasers or not,politics will always be the problem until it is to late. (imho)

[Lou Girardin]

It would fall under the "Restricted Weapon" class...same as pepper spray etc

Ah yes, the old "criminals might take it off you and use it on you" argument.
Women are much safer without pepper spray or tazers aren't they?
If in trouble they could call a cop: rolleyes:

[jonbuoy]

they are totally legal in the States ( not the projectile models.. the prong models).. i can go into my local K mart and pick up a 50,000 volt stun gun for about US$50.. i used to carry one when i worked in a nightclub ( right next to the 9mm ) and only had to use it once.. you light the fire on one of those and the dick head sees the blue arc.. it changes their minds about their attitude in a hurry




here ya go boyo (http://www.personalarms.com/schematics.htm)

and here (http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/circ/hv/stungun/stungun.html)

Thanks! I've seen a few versions - that first one looks pretty grunty. I don't see the problem with law abiding people having them to protect themselves and family. Its got to be less harmfull than any other form of self defence bar running away - which you can't always do. Better to be in court on assault charges than dead or have kids screwed up over a more traumatic event. The only people its likely to kill are those with a weak heart or a pacemaker - not the sort of people that are going to start trouble.

[jonbuoy]

wonder how much power i can build with a car battery??

not to mention the intimidation factor of having a backpack stun gun that fires blue arcs 12 meters

Ghost busters style!

[MattRSK]

have you guys seen the assualt rifle tazer. fuckin mint

<img src="http://www.defense-update.com/images/TASER-rail.jpg">
<img src="http://e-powersellers.com/blog/taser.jpg">

[Ixion]

It would fall under the "Restricted Weapon" class...same as pepper spray etc

Restricted weapon has to be scheduled as such. Is it? Especially ahome built one. Cos, whats the difference technically between a "taser" and , say, a Van der Graff generator?

Or a CDI ignition system? That produces a hell of a voltage, too. Ask someone who's been silly enough to put a spark plug in his mouth.

[Indoo]

Ah yes, the old "criminals might take it off you and use it on you" argument.
Women are much safer without pepper spray or tazers aren't they?
If in trouble they could call a cop: rolleyes:

I thought you were only against cops with radars Lou?

Maybe they should give them all pepper spray, batons, tasers and glocks.

You might need to upgrade the old bandit though the next time a woman driving a bmw takes offence.

[spudchucka]

So, resident Plod Persons, are these things legal in NZ, or not. And if not , why not, given how harmless they are.

They are a restricted weapon, therefore not available to the general public. Do you want to see the street urchins in Otara running around zapping old ladies for fun? Thats what would happen if they were available to anyone.

[spudchucka]

And pepper spray required special legislation to make it illegal

Also a restricted weapon, you can't have that either.

[spudchucka]

Ah yes, the old "criminals might take it off you and use it on you" argument.

No, its the old "The public are too fucken stupid to be trusted with this stuff" arguement.

[Lou Girardin]

No, its the old "The public are too fucken stupid to be trusted with this stuff" arguement.

Ask the Bentleys if they'll rely on calling the cops again.

[scumdog]

If in trouble they could call a cop: rolleyes:

Why bother?

[Ixion]

They are a restricted weapon, therefore not available to the general public. Do you want to see the street urchins in Otara running around zapping old ladies for fun? Thats what would happen if they were available to anyone.

Why, if they are as harmless as is claimed?

[scumdog]

Why, if they are as harmless as is claimed?

'Harmless' is a relative term, sky diving is harmless too.

'Effective' is the word I want to hear.

'Harm' is what I want the recipient to hear.

[Ixion]

So, if they're effective, and as harmless as the official claims, why can't I have one to keep under my bed. After all, by the same official logic, it must be better for a a burglar to be tasered by me, than for him to be introduced to a couple of foot of good German steel under the present dispensation.

EDIt Would be perfectly simple to have a rule that householders can have one in the house, but not allowed to have them in public. Works for every body, householder can protect himself/herself doesn't get mugged /raped; cops get an easy pick up on Burglar Bill, still twitching, and Burglar Bill gets a harmless tingle instead of an unpleasant introduction to Solingen's finest/

[The_Dover]

a couple of foot of good German steel

Finn isn't german dude.

He just a little fascist.

[Ixion]

He ain't good either, or any good, I've heard, and he ain't got a couple of inches (I've heard , but check with Maurice next time you're alone together ) let alone a couple of foot, and it ain't steel. More like wet spagetthi - maybe he's Italian.

(Shit, I think I surpassed myself)

[scumdog]

So, if they're effective, and as harmless as the official claims, why can't I have one to keep under my bed. After all, by the same official logic, it must be better for a a burglar to be tasered by me, than for him to be introduced to a couple of foot of good German steel under the present dispensation.


Trouble is old chap, YOU may use such items to defend yourself, others would use the same items to intimidate, main and rob innocents, therein lies the paradox....

[The_Dover]

who said they were innocent? we're all sinners..........

[scumdog]

who said they were innocent? we're all sinners..........

Not this guy...pure as the driven snow!

[The Tazman]

I'm for them, nothing like seeing some arsehole loser doing the funky-chicken on the ground, kinda makes your day!:banana:

Hear hear

That comment has just given me such a laugh and it is so right on the button.

The only people worried about them are the ones it's likely to be used on!!!!

If your not the kind of person to do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.

If your going to go round threatening people and being a riight co*K you deserve every volt comming your way.

[Street Gerbil]

Given the unhumane cruelty of typical punishment for assaulting a police officer (those stagecoach tickets are really heavy when wet) I'd say the police should carry both non-lethal and lethal weapons. :chase:

[Finn]

Finn isn't german dude.

He just a little fascist.

You got dat right bro, me dah fascist rider on dah KB! :scooter:

[spudchucka]

Ask the Bentleys if they'll rely on calling the cops again.

Their feelings are obvious, why would I ask them?

[spudchucka]

Why, if they are as harmless as is claimed?

They obviously aren't harmless, thats why they are restricted.

[spudchucka]

why can't I have one to keep under my bed.

Your responsibility towards its use can't be governed or controlled.

[jonbuoy]

who said they were innocent? we're all sinners..........

Aren't you more Texas Pete than Super Ted?

[TLDV8]

Some light reading from the 1702 Courier.


I wonder how many Detectives have left or transferred in the Manukau district this year,15 ?)

Tasers or not,politics will always be the problem until it is to late. (imho)