School shootings

[Swoop]

It appears that shootings in US schools have risen dramatically recently.
Are these copycat style or does one shooting trigger another?

Also, WHY do the US police refer to the gunman as "The Suspect" instead of "The Murderer"? Surely this would promote the fact that the perpetrator/s will be classed this way and looked down on by society, rather than the "martyr" approach which seems to be implied at the moment.

[SpankMe]

Innocent until proven guilty in the US.

The last one had some truck driver shot 6 Amish school girls (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2517800&page=1) execution style.

Google news (http://news.google.co.nz/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp%3Fslug%3DGunman%2Bkills%2B3%2Bgi rls%2Bin%2BPennsylvania%26id%3D94156)

http://massmurder.zyns.com/

[u4ea]

i really have no comment to make other than REST IN PEACE to the innocent lives taken

[Meekey_Mouse]

I think it is so horrible, I mean having to go to school is bad enough... let alone having the chance of being shot down for it. What is going through the peoples heads while they're killing these innocent kids? The Columbine one I know what the kids where thinking.... and I don't understand how it wasn't obvious to people before they snapped, the kids needed help. But I guess sometimes things seem so obvious when you can look back, but are hard to see when your living it at the time.. if that makes sense?

We live in a scary world sometimes

Jaz

[SARGE]

Innocent until proven guilty in the US.

The last one had some truck driver shot 6 Amish school girls (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2517800&page=1) execution style.


yea .. those fucking Amish .. always looking down their noses at everyone .. bastards ..

P/T

[jeremysprite]

I think that the one in Montreal recently, guy about 25ish, 'loved' guns and all things vampire, gothic, etc etc we all know them, was different.
I think that this is a sign of a new, emerging person who shoots up a school because he wants to be remembered as someone, and so follows what other people like Columbine people did.
The idea's hard to get on paper, but if you get what I mean, that this guy wasn't particularly broken up about the world or his life etc, he was just a try-hard gothic, schoolkid killer. He didn't even go to school, he was in his 20's, and dresses up in military getup, waltzes in with an auto and starts shooting people he wouldn't even know?

The Columbine guys (names please?) were shooting at specific people that they did not like. This guy from Canada couldn't have known many people at the school, the oldest there would have been like 7-8 years younger than him.

It's scary.

[SARGE]

the whole problem started when the idiots said we couldnt lay the strap to the little shitbags..


TAKE OFF THOSE FREAKING BLACK CLOTHES YOU LITTLE SHIT.. *BIFF* GET A GODDAMN JOB AND QUIT YOUR MOANING *BIFF* TURN OFF THAT FUCKING FIDDY CENT NOISE BEFORE I BLAST YOU INTO NEXT WEEK *BIFF*

lack of discipline and folding under the PC Brigade pressure .. let them know they are loved and if they fuck up , there WILL be consequences .. not saying keep them on a short leash or beat the dogshit out of them. .. but let them know there are boundaries and every action has an equal reaction



i blame the parents and the fucking hip hop GANGSTA bullshit this generation is being force fed.. we had Led Zep and Sabbath when i was coming up ,,yes it pissed our folks off and it was 'devil music' but i didnt glorify violence and teach them that life is cheap and all women are 'Ho's'.. worst thing it made me do is smoke weed and flag school

my kid ever calls a woman a 'Ho" he will be receiving a size 13 combat boot up the ass in a big blue hurry

[jeremysprite]

wow I should be a psycho-analyist guy


Psychologists report that coverage of such events can have an unsettling effect on already disturbed individuals, inducing them to "copy" these crimes.

[SARGE]

wow I should be a psycho-analyist guy

or a bartender.....

[jeremysprite]

Yeah, I agree there sarge (but not in such graphic terms).
not disciplining your kids and letting them do what they like isnt loving them, its just lazy parenting, you dont want to be the bad guy so you let your kids do whatever.
A good beating never hurt anybody.

[The_Dover]

and all women are 'Ho's'..

I guess we had to learn that one for ourselves, huh?

[SARGE]

A good beating never hurt anybody.

you aint doing it right then....:bash: :kick:

[McJim]

It's really sad - I watched Bowling for Collumbine some time ago - It obviously has had little effect on the gun culture of USA. Don't think many watched it.

I wonder what the effect would be if, rather than hitting soft targets like schools, these numbnuts were to crash a NRA meeting and popped ol' Charlton between the eyes before going on a rampage. They'd only need 3 people throughout the hall and enough guns would be drawn that paranoia would take over and 2,000 gun nuts would bleed out on the floor. But would that put them off?

The constitution of the USA has an amendment that allows civillians "The right to bear arms as part of an organised militia" the powers that be seem to ignore the fact that there is no "organised militia" and let people have these little metal objects that were designed with one purpose...to kill people with little effort.

[Motu]

lack of discipline and folding under the PC Brigade pressure ..


But,but - I thought that was only a Helen Clark/Labour Party thing.....did the US buy it's policies off us?

[FilthyLuka]

guns dont kill people, people kill people. blaming guns is a naive way of addressing the underlying issue that is stupidity and bad upbringing

[Swoop]

... were to crash a NRA meeting and popped ol' Charlton between the eyes before going on a rampage.
Never happen.

Remember what happened when our idiot took a knife to a gunshop here???

Imagine that 100 times worse at a NRA meeting. The perp would be looking down the warm barrels of about 50 handguns...:buggerd:

What the morons do instead, is to attack a defenceless part of the population - schoolkids.

[SARGE]

But,but - I thought that was only a Helen Clark/Labour Party thing.....did the US buy it's policies off us?


its worldwide man .. we are looking at a gang culture right now because i think this generation thats coming up dont have the balls to do it any other way..

are we raising a generation of cowards?

[SARGE]

Nice Cliche - over used methinks - guns don't kill people but the little pencil necks responsible for these massacres are generally too puny to take human life without the aid of a sidearm.

ergo - no guns - no massacre.



what about the Chinese kid who was folded up in a suitcase?.. the Kahui twins? the teacher who was beaten to death recently? the hunks of concrete off the overpasses? no guns there ..

the Human race is predatory .. if a human wants to take a life he will find a way to do it ..

Guns are inanimate objects... the triggers dont pull themselves .. dont blame the hammer for building the house

i come from Cleveland Ohio.. population of 478403.. in 2003/2004 there were 78 murders ....guns are legal


New Zealand on the other hand in 03/04 recorded 100 homicides for a population of 4035461 ...guns are illegal... how are they being killed?

[FilthyLuka]

exactly... you used half brick and so on. The physically inept can kill people with guns yes, but whats stopping them from running their victim over or knifing them? humans are always going to find some means to aid their destruction of other humans. Making guns illegal will deprive these people of a means of killing, but it will also deprive people that use guns properly of a enjoyable past time. Then again, my view on the subject is probably biased, i do target shooting and have been around guns since i was 10...

hmmm, pretty much what sarge said...

[padre]

Sarge, I'm damn sure NZ for this reason alone would have great trouble mustering a team to go to war if need be. Remove the Maori from the equation and we'd have a lot of knee knocking pussy boys saying "but its wrong to smack / fight / kill". They'd get colonised, skewered and the invaders would take the spoil including our women.

[The_Dover]

they can have them.

kiwi women are rough.

[Lissa]

Innocent until proven guilty in the US.

The last one had some truck driver shot 6 Amish school girls (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2517800&page=1) execution style.

I can't believe that, thats just awful, the terror those young girls must have felt before dying and the ones that survived. Makes me mad, that some looney instead of just killing himself straight away, has to take innocent young ones with him.

[scumdog]

It's really sad - I watched Bowling for Collumbine some time ago - It obviously has had little effect on the gun culture of USA. Don't think many watched it..

What a crock of lying shit THAT movie was, as close to reality as the movie Torque, Moore should be a politician!!

BTW He made an issue of how few shooting there are in Canada, kinda bit him on the butt lately eh?

And as far as making a name for themselves (the twats that do the shooting), who the hell can remember ANY of the losers names?
Not this guy.

[ZeroIndex]

I love these t-shirts.. I WANT THEM!!!!!!

[Grumpy Gnomb]

The gunman is just another shit bag who wishes to inflict pain on others. The world is a better place with out him but feel for the little kids who are now angels in the sky

[Indiana_Jones]

lack of discipline and folding under the PC Brigade pressure .. let them know they are loved and if they fuck up , there WILL be consequences .. not saying keep them on a short leash or beat the dogshit out of them. .. but let them know there are boundaries and every action has an equal reaction

I'm with Sarge here.

Look at violence in NZ schools etc.

And then you have some MP saying parents are meant to set boundaries for kids, but we can't smack kids etc. :whistle: :spanking:

-Indy

[Motu]

its worldwide man .. we are looking at a gang culture right now because i think this generation thats coming up dont have the balls to do it any other way..

are we raising a generation of cowards?

Just what I've been trying to tell our rabid political types here...and ended up being called a Labour Lover - this country is putting into place worldwide policies,it will take a radical change in government to stop it.And I always vote for the most radical party I can find on my voting paper.

[mstriumph]

.................

What the morons do instead, is to attack a defenceless part of the population - schoolkids.

bullies always hit on soft targets

this is just another form of bullying - some nothing person getting his jollies by having a powertrip over people unable to fight back

his name should be erased as though he never was and there should be a ban on sensationalized news footage of the event in the media so that any sort of 'fame' is denied him

personally i don't CARE what made him such a little, inconsequential worm with a poor self image and no future ......... but Sarge could well be right - self-discipline isn't something people develop naturally - kids need guidance, example and boundaries

[padre]

Ex boarder was a teacher at Raroa intermediate. She reckoned with the increasing danger (not least from the increasingly psycho kids) the move to largely home based schooling on comps for the majority of state school pupils one day is inevitable. Many already do it due to how the tone of schools has lowered. She has taught at correspondence school too.

[SARGE]

but Sarge could well be right -

well of course i am... when the hippies said we couldnt smack the brats anymore .. they lost the respect for authority.. now they are literally getting away with murder..i personally have been faced up by some little poser giving me gang signs and mouthing off "Cmon old man .. what are you going to do?' ( just give me 3.5 minutes in a dark alley with the brat with no sign of vid cameras and i'll show you)

thank the revolving door justice system that seems prevailant around the civilized world nowdays .. and the LCD tv's with Cable and all the niceties that we are giving the bastards ..

when i was coming up.. i knew prison was a horrible place ..didnt want to go there..

now its 3 hots and a cot and Sky TV.. never have to work and free gym membership ...fuck that .. wanna get in shape asshole??.. heres a shovel and a wheelbarrow.. go build me a school

6x6 concrete room with no windows, chipped beef on toast 2 x a day and when you are sentenced to 20 years .. you DO 20 years ...fuck rehabilitation .. just toss the key


check out Sheriff Joe (http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/)

[FilthyLuka]

Amen sarge. your my idol :cool: ...

[Lias]

I like this tour shirt better.

[ghost]

It's really sad - I watched Bowling for Collumbine some time ago - It obviously has had little effect on the gun culture of USA. Don't think many watched it.

I wonder what the effect would be if, rather than hitting soft targets like schools, these numbnuts were to crash a NRA meeting and popped ol' Charlton between the eyes before going on a rampage. They'd only need 3 people throughout the hall and enough guns would be drawn that paranoia would take over and 2,000 gun nuts would bleed out on the floor. But would that put them off?

The constitution of the USA has an amendment that allows civillians "The right to bear arms as part of an organised militia" the powers that be seem to ignore the fact that there is no "organised militia" and let people have these little metal objects that were designed with one purpose...to kill people with little effort.


Yeah, gun culture aye, thats the cause, its the guns fault, dangerous things those, yup ban them all that'll solve the worlds problems, only designed for one thing, yup..............

Moron

[ghost]

well of course i am... when the hippies said we couldnt smack the brats anymore .. they lost the respect for authority.. now they are literally getting away with murder..i personally have been faced up by some little poser giving me gang signs and mouthing off "Cmon old man .. what are you going to do?' ( just give me 3.5 minutes in a dark alley with the brat with no sign of vid cameras and i'll show you)

thank the revolving door justice system that seems prevailant around the civilized world nowdays .. and the LCD tv's with Cable and all the niceties that we are giving the bastards ..

when i was coming up.. i knew prison was a horrible place ..didnt want to go there..

now its 3 hots and a cot and Sky TV.. never have to work and free gym membership ...fuck that .. wanna get in shape asshole??.. heres a shovel and a wheelbarrow.. go build me a school

6x6 concrete room with no windows, chipped beef on toast 2 x a day and when you are sentenced to 20 years .. you DO 20 years ...fuck rehabilitation .. just toss the key


check out Sheriff Joe (http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/)

you shoud be minister of justice........or president

[SARGE]

you shoud be minister of justice........or president

see this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=36036&highlight=emperor) thread

[ghost]

see this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=36036&highlight=emperor) thread


Emperor of the World?, you need to think bigger..... bigger.... bwaa aaa aaa aaa.....

Ill be an advisor thanks....

[Skyryder]

Well if you realy want to have some fun. Go post on some of the American militia and gun forums. You'll find some 'good ol' county boys' who'll give you a run for your money. But be warned they don't take prisoners. These bozo's are not for the faint hearted. Just a tip, don't tell where your'e from. Drives 'em nuts.

Skyryder

[Lou Girardin]

i blame the parents and the fucking hip hop GANGSTA bullshit this generation is being force fed.. we had Led Zep and Sabbath when i was coming up ,,yes it pissed our folks off and it was 'devil music' but i didnt glorify violence

No spree killers or serial killers in the 70's sarge?
I seem to recall quite a few.

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=scumdog;773359]BTW He made an issue of how few shooting there are in Canada, kinda bit him on the butt lately eh?

QUOTE]

They have a long way to go to equal the merkins scummy.
The fact is that their gun ownership is roughly the same as America, yet their rate of murders is not even in the same league.
America's problem isn't guns. It's fear. They spend their lives afraid, and scared people with guns are dangerous.

[SARGE]

[QUOTE=scumdog;773359]BTW He made an issue of how few shooting there are in Canada, kinda bit him on the butt lately eh?

QUOTE]

America's problem isn't guns. It's fear. They spend their lives afraid, and scared people with guns are dangerous.

cmon Lou.. do i LOOK scared?

[slimjim]

:Pokey: na just another gutless shit, who can't sit in his truck and pull the tigger while sucking on the gun barrell, picked on those that don't like voilence, should have shot his own kids,cause fuck they will know what their fucked up dad did, for ever !

[SARGE]

No spree killers or serial killers in the 70's sarge?
I seem to recall quite a few.

give me one led zep or sabbath or any devil music song that glorified murder or called women 'ho's'..

yes .. i agree there were a few spree killers back then....Manson, etc.. but look at the evolutionary dead ends we are raising in the 21st century.. the drugs they are taking today make the ones we had look like chocolate fish.. im not saying i didnt experiment back then .. my body was Disneyland from 76 until just after my son was born in 91.. my liver is just starting to forgive me for the abuse i put it through in the early 80's and i can finally feel my nose for the first time since 89.. i survived .. i am a responsible adult with very little permanent damage.. i doubt P will be that kind

walk up K'rd and look at the signs in the shops ... have a great time ..eat a 'Party Pill" .. we are teaching our kids that in order to have fun.. they have to pop a pill... how far a leap is it from a party pill to ecstasy or P?
this society is developing a zombie nation..


the little 'wiggers' walk around like they are the baddest mofo's on the planet..i have had a few incidents where a pack of these little animals have tried to intimidate me in New Lynn (failed miserably)

the tagging is out of control.. they have no respect for personal property or space ..(im generalizing right now .. there area few great kids out there).. they are all trying to be Snoop Dog or 50 cent gangstas .. they have no social skills.. you see it right?

meanwhile .. the fucktard lazy-assed parents are raising them with the TV and Xbox where they are further desensitized with yet more violence...

violent crime in the US AND NZ is way up over our day..( im 44.. im assuming you are close to that ..) sexual assaults and property crimes have taken a huge jump in the last 25 years ..

yes ladies and gentleman .. you are witnessing the future of Planet Earth..

dig a hole and climb right in..


wait .. lemme guess.. you are one of those people who classify Alcoholism and drug abuse as a disease...

[Timber020]

When working with the youth at risk program in the US I saw that there was one main difference between the youth there and here. And its got something to do with a 38 police special being less than $30 on the street, or you could pick up a legit handful of auto for less than a cell phone. (You can get a auto 9mm or 45 for less that $150 new)

Guns dont kill people ra ra ra. This is true, but the fact that anyone over 16 in some states can get there hands on a range of weopons legally that would make your average mujahadeen come in his pants. And that doesnt start to get into the guns you can pick up "at the pub". Heck I miss going to flea markets where you could pick up a used uzi for $300.

[SARGE]

When working with the youth at risk program in the US I saw that there was one main difference between the youth there and here. And its got something to do with a 38 police special being less than $30 on the street, or you could pick up a legit handful of auto for less than a cell phone. (You can get a auto 9mm or 45 for less that $150 new)

Guns dont kill people ra ra ra. This is true, but the fact that anyone over 16 in some states can get there hands on a range of weopons legally that would make your average mujahadeen come in his pants. And that doesnt start to get into the guns you can pick up "at the pub". Heck I miss going to flea markets where you could pick up a used uzi for $300.

yea .. but a lead pipe is almost free down here .. that way they can spend the $30 on party pills

[The_Dover]

i notice half the wankers moaning about the yoof of today are forty somethings with teenage kids??

it's your fuckin generation doing the damage guys, sort it out.

[scumdog]

i notice half the wankers moaning about the yoof of today are forty somethings with teenage kids??

it's your fuckin generation doing the damage guys, sort it out.


It's YOUR generation cretin, sort yourselves out mya pronto!!

[The_Dover]

no scumdog, blame the parents, remember.........

i'm not a daddy yet and my puppy is well behaved......

[scumdog]

no scumdog, blame the parents, remember.........

i'm not a daddy yet and my puppy is well behaved......

So you never screwed up yet, d'you think you'll keep your progeny under control - or will you just blame the Gummint???

And if you haven't screwed up, how did your parents do the 'right thing'?

[kro]

the whole problem started when the idiots said we couldnt lay the strap to the little shitbags..

TAKE OFF THOSE FREAKING BLACK CLOTHES YOU LITTLE SHIT.. *BIFF* GET A GODDAMN JOB AND QUIT YOUR MOANING *BIFF* TURN OFF THAT FUCKING FIDDY CENT NOISE BEFORE I BLAST YOU INTO NEXT WEEK *BIFF*

lack of discipline and folding under the PC Brigade pressure .. let them know they are loved and if they fuck up , there WILL be consequences .. not saying keep them on a short leash or beat the dogshit out of them. .. but let them know there are boundaries and every action has an equal reaction

i blame the parents and the fucking hip hop GANGSTA bullshit this generation is being force fed.. we had Led Zep and Sabbath when i was coming up ,,yes it pissed our folks off and it was 'devil music' but i didnt glorify violence and teach them that life is cheap and all women are 'Ho's'.. worst thing it made me do is smoke weed and flag school

my kid ever calls a woman a 'Ho" he will be receiving a size 13 combat boot up the ass in a big blue hurry

This could have been typed by me Sarge, you are a man after my own heart, and I salute you. Poetry son, pure poetry.

[Swoop]

Guns dont kill people ra ra ra. This is true, but the fact that anyone over 16 in some states can get there hands on a range of weopons legally that would make your average mujahadeen come in his pants.
Knives are the "bargain basement" tool of choice.
A rock has been used (unfortunately) to kill recently - from an overbridge.
They are ALL just a TOOL of the operator.

The source of the problem (the human hanging on the end of all of them) is not being dealt with, either before or after the crime is committed.

[Hitcher]

It's hard to feel sympathy for Americans shooting each other when they refuse to do anything about gun controls.

[SARGE]

It's hard to feel sympathy for Americans shooting each other when they refuse to do anything about gun controls.

check the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution..

maybe NZ will ban hammers and blocks of concrete ( and suitcases, and steak knives ..)

dont blame the hammer for building a leaky house man ..

[Timber020]

Im all to aware that they are just the tool.

Risk management is about manageing the things that may cause harm or damage to people and property. If im looking after a few kids on one starts beating the others with a bat, there is the risk the other kids could get seriously hurt, so I take away the bat and try to correct the kids behaviour through punishment, postive reinforcement etc. If I did nothing but tell the kid off and leave the bat there, I would be considered an idiot for leaving the other kids in danger.

Keeping every kid in check is impossible, taking away the ability for them to kill dozens is probably the only practicle thing that will reduce the severity of these incidents.

I love it when people say "they could just use a knife/pipe/stick/baseball bat etc" I cant imagine colombine being much of a massacre if the kids just had bats. Look at that kid in canada, only one person killed because he only had a .22, now if he had something with more grunt, that would have been a real massacre.

Ive owned a few rifles and shotguns in my time, I used to hunt nearly every day and have hunted in a few countrys other than this one, and at no time did I find I needed a pistol, SMG, or assault rifle. (okay I admit shooting goats with a sks and varmet was fun, and roos with a norico was a kick) but there no real need for them by real hunters.

[SARGE]

Im all to aware that they are just the tool.

Risk management is about manageing the things that may cause harm or damage to people and property. If im looking after a few kids on one starts beating the others with a bat, there is the risk the other kids could get seriously hurt, so I take away the bat and try to correct the kids behaviour through punishment, postive reinforcement etc. If I did nothing but tell the kid off and leave the bat there, I would be considered an idiot for leaving the other kids in danger.

Keeping every kid in check is impossible, taking away the ability for them to kill dozens is probably the only practicle thing that will reduce the severity of these incidents.

I love it when people say "they could just use a knife/pipe/stick/baseball bat etc" I cant imagine colombine being much of a massacre if the kids just had bats. Look at that kid in canada, only one person killed because he only had a .22, now if he had something with more grunt, that would have been a real massacre.


when you manage too much risk .. you end up with a nana state.. i personally believe in less government and more personal responsibility..

expectant parents should have the chance at parenting classes that actually TEACH something more than how to change a nappy and shit like that .. they should be heavy on psychology of the child and the young mind .. have them for each stage of the childs life ( get a Bs in parenting from AUT maybe?) the government should fund these 100% ..a scheme like this WILL lower crime rates, WILL lower numbers on the benefit and WILL add to a higher standard of living overall..it would be an investment in NZ's future .. might take a couple generations to bear fruit but i think it would build a wicked foundation

turn the prisons into shopping malls man ..

[Paul in NZ]

End of the day...

This sicko wanker goes into a school full of peaceful people and kills because of an incident 20 years ago. Seems he admitted to his wife molesting underage kids 20 years ago... and something 'else' that was worse that he would not go into detail about...

So the intention was suicide and he takes a few other inoccents with him...

I guess it makes him noteable... He will be famous...

Screw this - I see this as a combination of problems, the cult of personality where fame is all, often for doing nothing worthwhile. As many people would know John Lennons assasins name as would know John Lennons when really, we should have just executed the cunt on the spot and buried him in a ditch. Who cares who he is or what drove him to it?

Then we have the redemptionists. No matter what you do you can be rehabilitated, there there it's OK, it's not your fault you are ill... Stuff that, some things cannot be forgiven and they should not be forgiven. Anything else ends in anarchy.

Oh well - enough fire and brimstone from me.

[SARGE]

Screw this - I see this as a combination of problems, the cult of personality where fame is all, often for doing nothing worthwhile. As many people would know John Lennons assasins name as would know John Lennons when really, we should have just executed the cunt on the spot and buried him in a ditch. Who cares who he is or what drove him to it?


reason #4345 why, when the revolutions starts , i'm killing all the reporters first ..:Pokey:

[Paul in NZ]

reason #4345 why, when the revolutions starts , i'm killing all the reporters first ..:Pokey:

Makes sense to me but leave a few for the story about us storming the Beehive OK?

[SARGE]

Makes sense to me but leave a few for the story about us storming the Beehive OK?

Big Dave can take care of that for us ... he's still uncorrupted ( keep an eye on him though..)

[The Pastor]

give me one led zep or sabbath or any devil music song that glorified murder or called women 'ho's'..


Black Sabbath - Killing Yourself To Live
Black Sabbath - In for the kill

ozzy's no more tears is about a serial killer.. not sure if its glorifiying it though

[SARGE]

Black Sabbath - Killing Yourself To Live


bullshit.. the song (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/blacksabbath/killingyourselftolive.html) is about working yourself to death and not enjoying life


Black Sabbath - In for the kill

not about cold blooded murder ..that album was released in 86 and featured Glenn Huges on vocals ..Sabbath of that era used alot of fantasy elements (LoR etc).. that song i about a fantasy/ medieval battle.. there is a difference between murder and combat

nice try rent-boy

[Hitcher]

dont blame the hammer for building a leaky house man ..

Sorry, I forgot: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Although it's very hard to shoot somebody without one.

[SARGE]

Sorry, I forgot: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Although it's very hard to shoot somebody without one.

right .. if you cant get a gun... just grab a hammer or a concrete block.. a tool is a tool ..

my god .. how did we ever murder someone before the invention of guns ...?

ban pointed sticks too...aww.. screw it .. the only thing that will be legal is cotton wool

[Hitcher]

right .. if you cant get a gun... just grab a hammer or a concrete block.. a tool is a tool ..

my god .. how did we ever murder someone before the invention of guns ...?

ban pointed sticks too...aww.. screw it .. the only thing that will be legal is cotton wool

As a potential "victim" I'd rather take my chances against somebody "armed" with a pointed stick (unless they have been trained by the USMC) than somebody armed with an automatic pistol and 600 rounds of ammo.

[SARGE]

As a potential "victim" I'd rather take my chances against somebody "armed" with a pointed stick (unless they have been trained by the USMC) than somebody armed with an automatic pistol and 600 rounds of ammo.



most of the fucktards with 600 rounds will use most of them and maybe score one hit..

dont get me wrong Hitcher .. im all in favor of strict gun laws.. but what is happening here is what is feared in the US .. when guns are outlawed .. only the outlaws have them..

kinda like the US Marines v. the Sea Scouts.. you are all out gunned and potential victims..

[Meekey_Mouse]

I have to agree with sarge on all of this.... a gun is like a knife... now if you give the knife to a surgeon he can save someones life with it, give it to an untrained moron and he could kill some one with it. So instead of blaming the gun, blame the person behind it.

It is rediculous (spelling?) that parents can no longer smack their kids... I'm 17 and I'm SO thankfull that my parents smacked me.. every time I was smacked growing up I deserved it. I see kids my age out on the street and they think they are mature and can handle guns, drugs, alcahol etc... but they are usually complete morons. If I go to a party I have enough self controll and brains to not get wasted. I have never smoked any thing and never want too, and I've never taking a party pill... in all honesty those things scar the crap outta me.. they mess you up more then it's worth. But so many kids nowa days are out getting wasted every weekend (sometimes more often) or getting high on something that is just going to waste their brain away... if they had any to start with.

Also, I don't think the legal age for drinking really matters... either way if an under aged kid wants to get booze they will find a way to get it. But if you teach them how to be responsible with alcahol then where is the problem?

Sure alot of the kids now days are messed up and incredibly disrespectful and the parents are HUGE influences on that... but once the kid is old enough to decide decisions for him/herself then it is also up to the kid to decide where they want to be in the future and take self responsibilty to that and the actions they make whilst doing that. If a kid murders some one... they should pay for it not by sitting in a cozy cell with a TV but like sarge said... get them out there doing work and make them REGRET what they did!!! If they get a 20 yr sentence then serve the WHOLE time!

But thats just me :Pokey:

[Paul in NZ]

The problem with guns, and this debate is that none of us are particularly likely to start spraying lead about or shooting up schools.

Unfortunately, there are now so many guns out there that they get into the hands of the sort of retards that join street gangs and support the coloured bandana industry. Couple them up with the loner / sickos like the dipshit that killed the Amish school kids and away we go.....

I like the higher ideals, I'd like to think mankind can rise above violence but somehow I doubt it. Some people love to fight and to kill etc We need to find an outlet for them.

[SARGE]

I have to agree with sarge on all of this.... a gun is like a knife... now if you give the knife to a surgeon he can save someones life with it, give it to an untrained moron and he could kill some one with it. So instead of blaming the gun, blame the person behind it.


good points Meekey..

booze isnt necessarily a bad thing ..lord know i have indulged a fair bit over the past few decades.. but i know how much i can take and i am a responsible drinker ..

i think the problem with it is that its taboo.. parents tell thier kids ' if i ever catch you with a beer, your ass is mine'.. now my folks never did that .. mom was from Germany where there is no real drinking age.. we had a fully stocked bar in the basement and i was welcome to go have a beer whenever i wanted one .. as long as i didnt sneak around or overdo it .. i was 5 when i had my first

now in saying that .. when i was in the Service .. i did have a problem.. wasnt an alcoholic by any means but i WAS a binge drinker..i didnt hit all the 12 point programs .. i took control of my own life on my own.. now i can have a beer with dinner and stop at one .. when i am out .. i have 3 maybe 4 and stop. i think that the way i was raised taught me to say 'when'

.i now have a 14 year old son and i am raising him in much the same way.. he is a great kid .. does alot of volunteer work and is a very popular kid..



Dad also was never one to 'spare the rod'.. i had my ass kicked many times for screwing up.. totally deserved each time i might add, and now as i am past 40 :whistle: i can look back on it and see the big picture.. i would have turned out much different had my folks not smacked me on the nose with a newspaper when i deserved it.

personal responsibility, discipline and a damn good upbringing

[Hillbilly]

It's really sad - I watched Bowling for Collumbine some time ago - It obviously has had little effect on the gun culture of USA. Don't think many watched it.

I wonder what the effect would be if, rather than hitting soft targets like schools, these numbnuts were to crash a NRA meeting and popped ol' Charlton between the eyes before going on a rampage. They'd only need 3 people throughout the hall and enough guns would be drawn that paranoia would take over and 2,000 gun nuts would bleed out on the floor. But would that put them off?

The constitution of the USA has an amendment that allows civillians "The right to bear arms as part of an organised militia" the powers that be seem to ignore the fact that there is no "organised militia" and let people have these little metal objects that were designed with one purpose...to kill people with little effort.


There's too much money to be made in guns. That's why the US always goes to war at the drop of a hat. It's good for some people such as the shareholders and directors of Colt to get filthy rich on the misery of others. That's capitalism.

Scoll shootings? They blame Quake 4 or Doom 3 etc, but never take responsibility for the fact that what they've been telling parents ever since the '60s with Doctor Spock (the psychiatrist) about parenting is bullshit. What's written in the Bib;e is true - "spare the rod, damn the child".

All the "homoies" in NZ would do the same thing if given a chance.

[FilthyLuka]

Im all to aware that they are just the tool.

Risk management is about manageing the things that may cause harm or damage to people and property. If im looking after a few kids on one starts beating the others with a bat, there is the risk the other kids could get seriously hurt, so I take away the bat and try to correct the kids behaviour through punishment, postive reinforcement etc. If I did nothing but tell the kid off and leave the bat there, I would be considered an idiot for leaving the other kids in danger.

hmm.. see, you say ban THE KID USING THE WEAPON from having access to it. Your comparing two very different situations. If a kid cuts himself, you take away HIS knife, you dont take away the entire populations knives. THATS JUST SILLY.

Denis

[SpankMe]

Investigators also said that Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, plotted his takeover of the school for nearly a week and that the items he brought _ including flexible plastic ties, eyebolts and lubricating jelly. ---> (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4234024.html)

[Sniper]

I havent read the whole thread and knowing the thought patterns of KB, I dont think Im going to.

My main points are, school shootings are caused by one individual and in my opinion, shrinks will always say it could have been avoided if he had been treated or looked after or molly coddeled ect ect.
The only people to feel sorry for are for the parents of the kids involved and killed. They are the ones that will be hounded by the media and angry fan and hatemail.
I think if someone kills the shooter, they should get a fucken medal.

A school shooter is much like a terrorist who walks into a building and blows themselves up and kills 20 people. Cowards and nothing more.

God I love morphine ..........

[SPman]

The trouble with gun laws, is that it makes it hard for lawful people to get hold of guns. The crims and those who want them for nefarious purposes never seem to have a problem.In Christchurch, back in the 80's, I was offered all sorts of handguns - eg. saturday night special for $40, just by knowing the "right" sort of people. And they were coming in on a regular basis. Yet, legally, you've got to really jump through hoops, just to get a .22.

One of the guidelines for total control of the populace - first, ensure they are disarmed!

[SARGE]

God I love morphine ..........

bogart :doobey:

[mstriumph]

.............America's problem isn't guns. It's fear. They spend their lives afraid, and scared people with guns are dangerous.

are you an advocate of 'disarm the population' then? :whistle:

[FilthyLuka]

heh, disarm me... go on... try it :2guns:

(not serious, this is my attempt at pulling a funny...)

[The Pastor]

bullshit.. the song (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/blacksabbath/killingyourselftolive.html) is about working yourself to death and not enjoying life


not about cold blooded murder ..that album was released in 86 and featured Glenn Huges on vocals ..Sabbath of that era used alot of fantasy elements (LoR etc).. that song i about a fantasy/ medieval battle.. there is a difference between murder and combat

nice try rent-boy


Ok but how about johnny cash? Cocaine blues. Don't say its staire becuase the tone in his voice at the end "and I can't forget the day I shot that bad bitch down" is one of positive con-no-tation.....

[SARGE]

Ok but how about johnny cash? Cocaine blues. Don't say its staire becuase the tone in his voice at the end "and I can't forget the day I shot that bad bitch down" is one of positive con-no-tation.....

nope .. that line is about kicking the bad bitch ( meaning the habit..)


( im a HUGE Johnny Cash fan by the way..)

NEXT!!!

oh wait .. Pink Floyd - the Wall


oh .. no wait .. that album was about Syd Barrets drug induced mental breakdown .. quite possibly one of the most ANTI- drug albums ever produced...


i took you off my iggy list to give you the learn ..my work here is done .. back in the box you go now like a good little boy...

[FilthyLuka]

Ok but how about johnny cash? Cocaine blues. Don't say its staire becuase the tone in his voice at the end "and I can't forget the day I shot that bad bitch down" is one of positive con-no-tation.....

come you gotta listen unto me... lay of that whiskey, and let that cocaine BBBEEEEEE

yes, very negative

hes singing about how he REGRETS taking cocaine

so again, pretty much what sarge said...

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=Lou Girardin;774055]

cmon Lou.. do i LOOK scared?

Hard to tell. When I look at you I get a migraine.
BTW Can you come into work the next fine day, I need to throw a sickie.
We can go riding, and I'll give you the Bandit learn.

[Lou Girardin]

. the drugs they are taking today make the ones we had look like chocolate fish...

Bullshit. Our acid was MUCH better.

[Lou Girardin]

i notice half the wankers moaning about the yoof of today are forty somethings with teenage kids??

it's your fuckin generation doing the damage guys, sort it out.

We should all have been sterilised 30 years ago. Happy now?

[Lou Girardin]

check the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution..

maybe NZ will ban hammers and blocks of concrete ( and suitcases, and steak knives ..)

dont blame the hammer for building a leaky house man ..

Guns make killing easier, you should know that.
Especially guns held by scared people.

[FilthyLuka]

Guns make killing easier

so does petrol and a match....

[SARGE]

[QUOTE=SARGE;774059]

Hard to tell. When I look at you I get a migraine.
BTW Can you come into work the next fine day, I need to throw a sickie.
We can go riding, and I'll give you the Bandit learn.

grab me a new rear tire and you're on..

( hey .. i looked BITCHIN when i stopped in last time ..)

[Lou Girardin]

so does petrol and a match....

You stand 20 metres away with petrol and a match.............I'll have a Glock.
I'll be fair, you go first.

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=Lou Girardin;775285]

grab me a new rear tire and you're on..

( hey .. i looked BITCHIN when i stopped in last time ..)

You looked like a psychopathic hippie on cheap speed.

[SARGE]

You stand 20 metres away with petrol and a match.............I'll have a Glock.
I'll be fair, you go first.

if you're as accurate with you Glock as you are with your facts .. better get some burn cream

:Pokey: :banana:

:stir: :stir: :stir: :stir: :stir: :stir:

[SARGE]

You looked like a psychopathic hippie on cheap speed.

that suit cost as much as your whole wardrobe Warehouse Boy

[Ixion]

[quote=SARGE;775478]

You looked like a psychopathic hippie on cheap speed.

He always looks like that, even when he's not on anything. 'Tis cos he *is* a psychopathic hippie, eh?

(incidentally, what is the difference in appearance between a hippie on cheap speed and one on expensive speed ?)

[SARGE]

He always looks like that, even when he's not on anything. 'Tis cos he *is* a psychopathic hippie, eh?

(incidentally, what is the difference in appearance between a hippie on cheap speed and one on expensive speed ?)


pic 1 is cheap speed...


pic 2 is the good shit

[Ixion]

Riggghhht. Pic 1 . And pic 2. I see. Or not as the case may be. maybe y'should spring just a *little* more to y'pusher?

[SARGE]

Riggghhht. Pic 1 . And pic 2. I see. Or not as the case may be. maybe y'should spring just a *little* more to y'pusher?

calm down ..i was uploading

[Ixion]

Ah purely hope you're quicker at REloading than y'are at UPloading.

[SARGE]

Ah purely hope you're quicker at REloading than y'are at UPloading.

one shot one kill.. no need to reload often

[Sniper]

one shot one kill.. no need to reload often

:cool: Nicely said

[SARGE]

:cool: Nicely said

thought you'd like that...

[Sniper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Bucp1SVtQ

At least this guy could keep heads down

[FilthyLuka]

You stand 20 metres away with petrol and a match.............I'll have a Glock.
I'll be fair, you go first.

##lights rag in petrol can and throws the afformentioned can at you##

when your done being on fire, its your turn

[Sniper]

##lights rag in petrol can and throws the afformentioned can at you##

when your done being on fire, its your turn

The moment the can leaves your hand, the officer is free to fire. Now I dont know many people that can lob a lit petrol can 20m and Im sure it would take longer to arrive than the 2 9mm that are heading your way.

I put my money on Lou winning

[SARGE]

The moment the can leaves your hand, the officer is free to fire. Now I dont know many people that can lob a lit petrol can 20m and Im sure it would take longer to arrive than the 2 9mm that are heading your way.

I put my money on Lou winning

thats just the thing .. with a 5 liter molitov cocktail... 'close' counts :)

[Sniper]

thats just the thing .. with a 5 liter molitov cocktail... 'close' counts :)

You sure you never had much to do with artillery :p :chase:

But then again, I know what you mean when you use whatever you can get your hands on

[SARGE]

You sure you never had much to do with artillery :p :chase:

nope .. used a few grenades though ,.. you dont have to hit the guy between the eyes with one of those ...


might get plugged but i bet ya a dollar to a donut the person with the Glock is gonna need some TLC

[Sniper]

Dead right and damn..... :slap:

[FilthyLuka]

Now I dont know many people that can lob a lit petrol can 20m

hmm... i see your point. What if i was the hulk... would that count? :P

[Sniper]

hmm... i see your point. What if i was the hulk... would that count? :P

Yea, but then I think I would have more than a container of petrol to worry about

[mstriumph]

Bullshit. Our acid was MUCH better.

..... *sigh*
i've obviously led a very sheltered life ......... :(

[SPman]

Bullshit. Our acid was MUCH better.
especially the stuff laced with strychnine, so you just lay around for 8 hrs with severe stomach cramps....but in an amusing strange kind of way......

[scumdog]

thats just the thing .. with a 5 liter molitov cocktail... 'close' counts :)


5 litres? a 5kg 'missile?
I reckon I could outrun it easily, try throwing 1 5kg (11lb) rock 15 metres or so - it ain't 'zactly goin' to make a sonic boom as moves through the air!!

( and I reckon I could shoot you as the m'tov cocktail sailed gracefully through the air - AND still get out of its way.:2thumbsup

[SARGE]

5 litres? a 5kg 'missile?
I reckon I could outrun it easily, try throwing 1 5kg (11lb) rock 15 metres or so - it ain't 'zactly goin' to make a sonic boom as moves through the air!!

( and I reckon I could shoot you as the m'tov cocktail sailed gracefully through the air - AND still get out of its way.:2thumbsup

ive seen the firearms training program in NZ ... :doh:

[scumdog]

ive seen the firearms training program in NZ ... :doh:


But not MY training, using all those extra bullet so necessary to "officially" get me 'up to scratch':whistle:

And my 'private' training with my own assortment of weapons:cool:

[ManDownUnder]

I like this tour shirt better.

Too funny - I used to own that one... and actually wore it to school on a mufti day when I had a history exam (seriously). Bad taste but then - hey I wasn't always perfect!