600cc sportsbike mileage question [Archive]

Brett

4th October 2006, 16:55

I am looking at a few 600cc bikes, mainly GSXR's and 636's. For 2004/2005 bikes, the standard seems to be around 12,000kms of distance travelled. My question is, at what stage does mileage matter on a six hundy, and how many kms is "getting up there"?

Help would be lurvly. Chur.

Brett

MattRSK

4th October 2006, 16:57

Nutter34

4th October 2006, 16:59

I'd consider 12k just ridden in... specially if they've only been used on the road. (crashing and other abuse aside)

Brett

4th October 2006, 17:04

If your looking at a GSXR, Probably the first hundred meters out of the sales room you should start worrying.

LOL....chur for the productive comments :Pokey:

Seriously thoughj, i have heard that the bolts in the engine work loose after a not too long time. All hear-say though, would be interested to hear from those who ride them.

Toast

4th October 2006, 17:05

12k should be sweet.

30k plus and you'll be wanting some kind of proof of service history, or have faith in the seller that they've maintained it well.

I sold a 2002 ZX6R which had done over 40000kms, serviced every 5000kms, and it was mint.

If you hear something started from cold, and then take it for a ride, you can normally get some idea of the history behind it.

Beyond 50000kms, the bike could well still be sweet, but you've gotta start thinking of resale value...some people just can't get their head around really high km's on a bike, regardless of service history.

Brett

4th October 2006, 17:07

I am thinking also from a re-sale sort of value, since i will probably hold onto the 600 for 2 or 3 years then move onto a thou, and realistically will ride 15-20 000 kms a year.

Toast

4th October 2006, 17:10

I am thinking also from a re-sale sort of value, since i will probably hold onto the 600 for 2 or 3 years then move onto a thou, and realistically will ride 15-20 000 kms a year.

If you're selling a highly strung sportsbike with 60,000kms, you might find it a bit hard.

I'd recommend that you get a dealer to service it every 3rd time, and keep all of the receipts and records of your own servicings.

sAsLEX

4th October 2006, 17:11

I ticked over 70K on my bike today and that an 89 with ever increasing manufacturing technology one would assume a newer bike would last just as long..........

MattRSK

4th October 2006, 17:14

LOL....chur for the productive comments :Pokey:

Seriously thoughj, i have heard that the bolts in the engine work loose after a not too long time. All hear-say though, would be interested to hear from those who ride them.

Im only jealous, as I ride a 250!

Toast

4th October 2006, 17:14

I ticked over 70K on my bike today and that an 89 with ever increasing manufacturing technology one would assume a newer bike would last just as long..........

Properly maintained, it will do it easily, and then a heap more...

but the market's perception seems to differ.

Best not to think about this kinda thing and just enjoy the beast though.

sAsLEX

4th October 2006, 17:21

Properly maintained, it will do it easily, and then a heap more...

but the market's perception seems to differ.

Best not to think about this kinda thing and just enjoy the beast though.

was that you at the lights by vodaphone approx 1245 today?

Brett

4th October 2006, 17:32

Im only jealous, as I ride a 250!

So do , i 250cc bikes have their own awesome qualities man! I will miss my zxr when it goes.

Toast

4th October 2006, 17:33

was that you at the lights by vodaphone approx 1245 today?

Ummm, yeah dude, I think it was. I left work to bid on an FXR on trademe.

I hope you didn't see one of my shit stoppies :p

Were you on a bike?

MattRSK

4th October 2006, 17:33

So do , i 250cc bikes have their own awesome qualities man! I will miss my zxr when it goes.

Don't I know it. So much fun!

cowpoos

4th October 2006, 17:41

100,000km is getting up there...but thats no reason for a engine to be shot...get a compresion test done.....and take note of how the gear box feels when your riding it....hav a trusted mech look over it....

sAsLEX

4th October 2006, 17:53

Were you on a bike?

Yeah heading North out of town, didnt recognise you till you took off and saw the belly fairing missing

Cajun

4th October 2006, 18:25

Brett a member here does 40-50,000kms on his bikes every 18 months. I am 30,000kms in 2 years on mine. one of those r6 mine is a gsxr 600

Never had a problem, yes you will have lower resale value, but you done more milage, as long as you service regular, and got receipts to prove it, there is no reason it should not sell at a good price. Like everything will depend on condition, milage and year of bike. But like anything if you buying a bike for resale value don't bother(or any vehcile for that matter).
Just buy what stirs your heart now be it a gsxr6, zxr6, r6, cbr6. Service it regularly at a qulalifyed dealer, keep all the recipts in a safe place. And just ride the thing.

Any modern motorbike engine as long as its looked after correctly (service etc etc) should do 100,000kms i see with out realy any major problems.

Engine bolts coming out on newer bikes is due to lack of mantaince i would think. I replaced the engine bolts on my bike with different ones, to fit the frame sliders, at 5,000kms, i just tighten them by feel(don't own a torque wrentch) and never had a problem with them.

NinjaBoy

4th October 2006, 20:20

I am 30,000kms in 2 years on mine.

I'm coming up to 30,000km in the 2 years since new. 23,000km were mine in the last 12 months. (and I've been ridding it like it's meant to be ridden)

Its been regularly serviced every 6000km as per the maintenance schedule (which I feel is a bit too long) and the engine hasn't missed a beat. So while the engine will remain good, I think the only concern will be how hard will it be to sell at high km's. But I've enjoyed every single km that I've had it.

bugjuice

4th October 2006, 20:22

knockin on the door of 30,000.. and not a problem yet.. and expecting another 15 thou at least this summer alone

AllanB

4th October 2006, 20:35

Pah - people are weird about bike kms - I recently sold my 1982 Kawasaki twin with 110 000 kms on it. I'd owned it from new and kept it very tidy. Rings, clutch and cam-chain at 100 000. Otherwise regular servicing. I'd not be surprised if it runs for another 100 000 if looked after.

No reason at all that a modern water cooled engine will not go well over 100 000 without any work. 10k is just run in!.

Honda make cars that are good for 300 000 and the same technology goes into the bikes.

Coyote

4th October 2006, 20:50

Honda make cars that are good for 300 000 and the same technology goes into the bikes.
In reality they're good up to 150,000kms, after then they get expensive

The Dog and Lemon Guide is a good read. Worth getting if you're interested in buying a reliable car

Toast

4th October 2006, 20:52

Yeah heading North out of town, didnt recognise you till you took off and saw the belly fairing missing

Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing a rangi vfr at some stage today...

jonbuoy

4th October 2006, 20:56

Motor will probably be sweet for 100K plus, gearbox abuse might show earlier. I think the general opinion is that suspension will be the big let down on an older bike, as will electrics on some.

Brett

4th October 2006, 21:37

Some very good points out there, i have no doubts about the longevity of the bike itself, was mainly worried about re-sale value, however that is a bit of a stupid reason in choosing a bike, will just go with the heart and see what I can find. Who cares if in 3 years time it only fetches a little bit back, at least it would have been a blast, and besides, i hope to have a helluva lot more cash by then!

R6_kid

5th October 2006, 00:23

my bike is coming up on 55k, was raced before i got it, i've given it the thrash. was missing a couple of ponies last time i got it dyno'd but it hadnt been recently tuned or anything. Apart from the 2nd gear fuckout from me raping it and clutchless down shifts, aswell as jamming it into 2nd from neutral at 10,000rpm plus occasionally (or at high speeds, either way doesnt like it)... yeh, its still going mint. Got a PB mag with a look at the insides of a CBR1000 with some 1800 race miles on it... no wear at all.

beyond

5th October 2006, 14:34

My mate has a 1988? CBR600 and it has around 90,000kms on it. Goes real well and has only just done clutch springs. :)

Resale?? Forget it. He might end up using it for a track bike.

fishb8nz

5th October 2006, 16:01

An American guy with a bike like my BMW F650CS commutes 50 miles each way, daily and has just put 155000 MILES on his bike. It's serviced regularly, uses Shell Rimula oil (a diesel oil) and still runs sweetly. Still gets 29.5 km/litre fuel consumption.His first drive belt change was @ 90k. Mind you he commutes on a straight freeway and uses Kenda tyres!

Pickle

5th October 2006, 20:03

One of our old GPZ600's has got over 200thou & still going, suspension is a bit stuffed. Viv's old ZZR600 has over 130thou & her old ZX6 (Mr Melon's) over 100thou all still going well.
Mate in Aussie has over 500thou on his old Kawka GT750 & he still uses it daily.
So your question how long will a modern 600 last? at least as long as the older bikes when maintained properly. 12,000 kms No problems at all.

NighthawkNZ

11th October 2006, 06:22

Heck my old XJ 650 did 135 000kms before itneeded any major rebuild, and it was only the camand primary chains... the machanic was amazed the rings and bearings were fine andsaid thecould probably do another 100000km...

However the bike was regularly maintained and serviced. With regular oil changes at every 5000km etc

cowboyz

11th October 2006, 06:58

i will hit 0000000 this weekend or maybe next. Then I can sell my bike as a new one.

inlinefour

12th October 2006, 14:34

If your looking at a GSXR, Probably the first hundred meters out of the sales room you should start worrying.

I would have thought that after that stage it would not be a problem as the gixxers love to lye down and give up... :spanking:

kickingzebra

12th October 2006, 15:42

When honda put out the VTR1000sp2 they said they had to have a critical redesign, because people didn't expect a superbike to last for 160000 miles.

They do last that long, and they are high strung, so, yeah, ride it, service it, and she'll be sweet.

moko

13th October 2006, 00:18

Any modern motorbike engine as long as its looked after correctly (service etc etc) should do 100,000kms i see with out realy any major problems.

RIDE magazine recently stripped a VFR750 with 70,000+ miles on the clock,even the piston rings were still in spec.Plenty of sports machines here with 50,000+ miles up and still going strong,maintain it properly and it`ll last,neglect and abuse it and it`ll break.Most modern bikes will go to 100,000 miles without major surgery,more likely to have the electrics play up on a high miles bike than the motor if it`s looked after.I worked with a guy who had an immaculate GT550 Kwak,admittedly he was anal about looking after the thing but it had 160,000 miles on the clock,even despatchers used to get 100,000 miles+ out of stuff like CX500s,VT500s,Kwak Gts,900 Divvys e.t.c. and those guys thrash their bikes all day every day.
Done 22000 miles on my Yam in 3 years,think thats near enough 50,000 kms,still starts first time every time,ticks over sweetly and goes the same as it did when I picked it up from the dealer,not pampered but not neglected either,bit of corrosion perhaps,brake hoses could do with changing but apart from that no reason why she wont do the same again quite easily.
Average mileage here is considered to be 4000 miles a year,does matter if you`re looking at re-sale because it affects trade-in value if a bike`s over average,re-sale value for me has never been an issue,if I want it that much and I can afford it I`ll buy it and enjoy it.

slowpoke

13th October 2006, 23:39

Ok so the things got a few more miles under it's belt so what?
I'm more interested in the overall condition of the bike as opposed to the actual km's. If it's still in good nick you'll always get reasonable money for it, just not top dollar, even if it is a tad more "experienced' than similar models. You might have to knock the top off the price when you go to sell, but if YOU are the one putting the km's on it then you've been rewarded in other ways.
I've heard of bikes having specific gearbox, clutch etc type problems but I don't think I've come across a modern bike that has actually been worn out through normal use.

moko

14th October 2006, 04:25

The other side to that is that I work with and know quite a few guys with some tasty bikes who use them to do a few miles a day.Guy I work with rides the mile from his house to work and back every day on an SV1000.Bike`s very low mileage but a bike like that will still not be warmed up properly in that distance and as any engineer will tell you the time you`re goping to damage a motor isn`t giving it plenty when it`s warmed up and at it`s correct operating temperature but when it`s cold.He`s not the only one,I know a 900 Hornet and a 900 Ninja owner who regularly use their bikes for commutes that are probably doing their bikes no good at all..Dont see the point myself,if I used my bike purely for the city commute I`d probably get myself a little trail-bike,anyone who`s experienced what passes for road surfaces here recently will understand that one,plus they`re skinny and ideal for filtering.
Honda NTV650 for sale on Ebay recently by the way for sale with 178,000 miles up,riding school Instructor`s vehicle,admittedly rebuilt at 100,000 miles but still impressive.

ninjac

14th October 2006, 07:48

I have done over 30,000Km on my ZX-6R from new and it runs sweeter today than when I first got it. Only issue is frequent valve shim check/replacement.
I know plenty of people with 600cc sport bikes from UK forums that regularly do 30,000Miles+ in very short periods with no issues. Just change oil frequently, don't need full synthetic when you change often. I change mine every 3,000Km in-between dealer service.

Back Fire

14th October 2006, 10:18

I am thinking also from a re-sale sort of value, since i will probably hold onto the 600 for 2 or 3 years then move onto a thou, and realistically will ride 15-20 000 kms a year.

Sold my K5 600 at 15,000km after 6 months to buy my thou :p anyhoo... It was service to the dot and was running sweeter than when I picked it up new... so I would say aslong as its taken care of 10,000-20,000 is nothing

Mr. Peanut

14th October 2006, 22:22

:) I just rebuild my top end every 30000km, hopefully ill get about 90000km out of my crank.

Brett

15th October 2006, 08:42

Sold my K5 600 at 15,000km after 6 months to buy my thou :p anyhoo... It was service to the dot and was running sweeter than when I picked it up new... so I would say aslong as its taken care of 10,000-20,000 is nothing

Yeah i wouldn't have minded buying yours from you, pity you couldn't have upgraded now:mad:

R6_kid

18th October 2006, 11:12

:) I just rebuild my top end every 30000km, hopefully ill get about 90000km out of my crank.

"You got a problem wif your eyes?" - 250 2 stroke and a modern 600cc sportsbike "ain't the same ballpark, it aint the same league, it aint even the same fucken sport".

SlowHand

18th October 2006, 11:58

"You got a problem wif your eyes?" - 250 2 stroke and a modern 600cc sportsbike "ain't the same ballpark, it aint the same league, it aint even the same fucken sport".

You know, I'm feeling kinda tired, how about a foot massage?

R6_kid

18th October 2006, 12:04

You know, I'm feeling kinda tired, how about a foot massage?

"FUCK YOU"

petesmeats

18th October 2006, 15:16

I ticked over 70K on my bike today and that an 89 with ever increasing manufacturing technology one would assume a newer bike would last just as long..........

Yup in theory that should be right but there is the whole fact that with improvement in material technology comes an increase in heat capacity in engines and increased engine speeds so if something does go wrong it does a real good job of it...

My bike has done 121000 k's and it is still as crap as when it was made... (being a honda that is almost as old as I am) but no worse... I am assuming that it is still going cos of a good run of owners before me.

EDIT: Sorry i just read the title of this thread 600cc SPORTSBIKE mileage... My bad i should not be in here...

SlowHand

18th October 2006, 15:27

"FUCK YOU"

Hey. Be nice. Gimp boy.

:shit:

Brett

19th October 2006, 17:20

Hey. Be nice. Gimp boy.

:shit:

Thread Hi jacking!!!!!! OI YOU, NO!!:shutup:

Your R6 sorted yet gareth?

SlowHand

19th October 2006, 19:16

Oh poo! Snapped!

- pssst, btw, mines just nipped over 45k

Mr. Peanut

19th October 2006, 20:54

"You got a problem wif your eyes?" - 250 2 stroke and a modern 600cc sportsbike "ain't the same ballpark, it aint the same league, it aint even the same fucken sport".

Zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee O_O...

That's the sound of a two stroke passing you on the outside. Four strokes are slow :yes:

Brett

19th October 2006, 21:02

Zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee O_O...

That's the sound of a two stroke passing you on the outside. Four strokes are slow :yes:

Last two smoker that tried to take me on the outside...ended up running wide and nearly off the road...bahahahhahahahha - wouldnt be laughing if he had hurt himself tho.