All Parents

[adiddy]

How would you feel if your son/daughter went out and bought their second bike ( a year or so into riding) and it was a 600?! but they only had a restricted?

If they were a confident, safe/cautioius rider that is and they had a 250 for a year?!
ADiddy

[MattRSK]

Proud, Damn Proud!

[SwanTiger]

I'd beat them to within an inch of their life in absoloute disgust and then give them keys to my GSX-R 1000.

[gijoe1313]

Hey, hows yer bike? All fixed up and raring to go again? And are you happening to be getting a 600 soon? :msn-wink:

[Str8 Jacket]

What age and how mature is the son/daughter? Can they ride competently etc?

[adiddy]

lol .. seriously though ?!
parents seem to think that they will somehow stop me riding a 600cc?? is this possible legally lol?

yerr gijoe, its not fixed yet but shuld be in a week or two?! umm 600 before christmas i hope !!!


k well its for me im 18, and yerr i can ride competently - cant I gijoe ?! lol

[slimjim]

:jerry: well be happy that it stayed with a 250 for that long, and if happy then get them to the kb track day to assit them, as a parent would feel like doing ,:beer: :calm: :wari:

[bobsmith]

If I was the parents, I'd tell them to go wash my bike and go for a long nice ride on their new 600... :)

[edit] - sorry didn't read the title of the thread..... I'm not a parent.

[gijoe1313]

lol .. seriously though ?!
parents seem to think that they will somehow stop me riding a 600cc?? is this possible legally lol?

yerr gijoe, its not fixed yet but shuld be in a week or two?! umm 600 before christmas i hope !!!


k well its for me im 18, and yerr i can ride competently - cant I gijoe ?! lol

Just remember not to get the one that spurts brown liquid! Keep reading and keep getting those k's under your tyres! When you get your ride back that is... 250 or 600 :doh:

btw ... what sort of 600? :scooter: :rolleyes:

[Ixion]

Anyone heard from Ducatilover recently?

[adiddy]

lol, this will start some controversy i know that for suree hahaha!
im looking at a few bikes; zx6-r, r6, ducati 600ss... and anythign else that may pop up

[hXc]

Anyone heard from Ducatilover recently?
Nah, haven't heard from him since July. I was wondering where he's gone the other day, actually. I'm getting a bit worried. Maybe he's left us all and gone

[Filterer]

lol .. seriously though ?!
parents seem to think that they will somehow stop me riding a 600cc?? is this possible legally lol?

Parents->111

Parents->Police

Operator->Whats your emergency

Parents->Id like to report my son just left the house dring a 600cc on his restricted hes goning to xxx following report yyyy

Operator->Oh my god ill get someone who needs to top up their quota on it right away

You->$400 fine

[kneescraper]

Parents->111

Parents->Police

Operator->Whats your emergency

Parents->Id like to report my son just left the house dring a 600cc on his restricted hes goning to xxx following report yyyy

Operator->Oh my god ill get someone who needs to top up their quota on it right away

You->$400 fine

Hahahahah so true.

Depends if he is right in saying he is a good rider etc. Big difference between a 17 or 18 year old saying or thinking hes a good rider and a 50 year that has been riding since he was 17 saying hes a good rider.

Maybe set him up on a riding course...see if pros think hes as good as he thinks he is...

[apteryx_haasti]

Just curious - what about insurance issues? Theoretically you'd be riding "illegally" so if you had an accident that could be an issue. Other than that...I'm jealous!

[skelstar]

Was wondering about DL the other day.

[Forest]

When I was a University student in the mid 90's I went from owning and riding a DT175 to a GPZ305 to a GSX1100. All of the bikes were bought from bike shops (if you had money, they didn't seem to care what license you had).

I taught myself to ride and didn't bother getting a motorcycle license until many years later.

I did have a car license however. But back then the punishment for getting caught without a motorcycle license was a "riding on the wrong class of license" ticket and a $250 fine. Given the change in policing attitudes over the last few years, I'm sure that the coppers are no longer so lenient.

[TLDV8]

lol .. seriously though ?!
parents seem to think that they will somehow stop me riding a 600cc?? is this possible legally lol?


I guess it comes down to respect.WTF would parents know anyway.

[Forest]

I forgot to add that having a license doesn't make you a good rider, and not having a license doesn't make you a bad rider.

However I do support the graduated licensing scheme in principle. Even though I didn't personally follow through with it until much later.

[SuperDave]

Riding a 600 is no problem in itself but by breaching your license restriction means that insurance is not gonna be something easy to sort out, if you even could. You don't wanna come off and have your bike slide into a 250,000 car and have to pay it's excess now do you?

[kro]

I would be concerned, but if, as you say, they had shown a decent level of maturity, and skill, I would fret less.

I too am curious about the acquisition of a bike without the appropriate license, how can this happen unless purchased privately, and what of the insurance?.

[Filterer]

Just curious - what about insurance issues? Theoretically you'd be riding "illegally" so if you had an accident that could be an issue. Other than that...I'm jealous!

Yip insurance issues would be the main reason i wouldnt up to a 400 considering they are way cheaper then equivilanent 250s

[gamgee]

what makes you such a good rider adiddy? have you ever ridden a high power 600 like a zx6r? it's not easy compared to a gpx!

[Forest]

I too am curious about the acquisition of a bike without the appropriate license, how can this happen unless purchased privately, and what of the insurance?.

Anyone can buy or own a bike, regardless of their license status. A full motorcycle license is only required if you want to ride large bikes on public roads.

Having said that, I doubt many bike shops these days would let you go out on a bike without checking your license first.

I never had bike or 3rd party insurance when I was riding as a teenager. I would assume that you wouldn't be covered by your policy unless you were legally licensed for the motorcycle you were riding at the time of the accident.

[Ixion]

All riders are really good riders when they've been riding a year. When I'd been riding a year I was shit hot. Hailwood was lucky none of the works teams spotted me. After all, y'can learn all there is to riding in a year, easy.

[Maha]

Riding a 600 is no problem in itself but by breaching your license restriction means that insurance is not gonna be something easy to sort out, if you even could. You don't wanna come off and have your bike slide into a 250,000 car and have to pay it's excess now do you?

Wise man Dave.....in saying that...i got a 600 when i was on my restricted and said i wouldnt ride it till i got my full.....:lol: (insert Tui add) i knew the rules/law but did it anyway, sold the 250 and had to borrow one to sit my full. I guess adiddy can make his own mind up, but it aint a good idea IMO to step up just yet, it will come soon enough....:cool:

[adiddy]

QUOTE what makes you such a good rider adiddy? have you ever ridden a high power 600 like a zx6r? it's not easy compared to a gpx!QUOTE

im not saying im shoit hot or anything!! i just feel that I could ride a 600 and be able to cope better than a 250 while not feeling like the enigne is gonna fry.

im still a young teen who needs more experience but i feel that to gain this a 600 would help- i dont necessarily want to do stunts or anything , i own a dirt bike and feel that a stepup is needed soon to progress that little level further...

as for the police seriously would they follow it up???

Insurance - i was thinking getting fire and theft with 3rd party?!

[adiddy]

All riders are really good riders when they've been riding a year. When I'd been riding a year I was shit hot. Hailwood was lucky none of the works teams spotted me. After all, y'can learn all there is to riding in a year, easy.

lol not saying i am awesome i just believe i could handle a 600cc bike!!!
I AM not stupid and believe that my brain would be in control of my wrist!!!

[Moxy]

QUOTE what makes you such a good rider adiddy? have you ever ridden a high power 600 like a zx6r? it's not easy compared to a gpx!QUOTE

im not saying im shoit hot or anything!! i just feel that I could ride a 600 and be able to cope better than a 250 while not feeling like the enigne is gonna fry.

im still a young teen who needs more experience but i feel that to gain this a 600 would help- i dont necessarily want to do stunts or anything , i own a dirt bike and feel that a stepup is needed soon to progress that little level further...

as for the police seriously would they follow it up???

Insurance - i was thinking getting fire and theft with 3rd party?!

Dunno about where you live, but in Wellington I haven't heard of any cases where somebody got their license checked on a bike for anything other than breaking traffic rules - like speeding.

Don't worry about your parents, you can do whatever you want.

You'll be fine riding a bigger bike after a week or so of getting used to it.

The thing you should think very, very seriously about is the unlikely case where you smash into somebody's ferrarri or do expensive damage to property. Since you don't have your full license, there is no way any insurance company would cover you for even third party.

[TLDV8]

im not saying im shoit hot or anything!! i just feel that I could ride a 600 and be able to cope better than a 250 while not feeling like the enigne is gonna fry.

im still a young teen who needs more experience but i feel that to gain this a 600 would help- i dont necessarily want to do stunts or anything , i own a dirt bike and feel that a stepup is needed soon to progress that little level further...

as for the police seriously would they follow it up???

Insurance - i was thinking getting fire and theft with 3rd party?!

How many kms have you done and where have you been..Please don't say 600 Coro loops clockwise or 9000 kms up and down 22 :laugh: (p/t)
I mean real world out there and doing it like GiJoe....

[gamgee]

as for the police seriously would they follow it up???

Insurance - i was thinking getting fire and theft with 3rd party?!

yes they would follow it up, it's a $400 fine and 25 demerits

and no you won't get insurance

[mynameis]

QUOTE what makes you such a good rider adiddy? have you ever ridden a high power 600 like a zx6r? it's not easy compared to a gpx!QUOTE

im not saying im shoit hot or anything!! i just feel that I could ride a 600 and be able to cope better than a 250 while not feeling like the enigne is gonna fry.

im still a young teen who needs more experience but i feel that to gain this a 600 would help- i dont necessarily want to do stunts or anything , i own a dirt bike and feel that a stepup is needed soon to progress that little level further...

as for the police seriously would they follow it up???

Insurance - i was thinking getting fire and theft with 3rd party?!


If you are going to buy a 600 cc on restricted licence then you will not be able to insure it, if the insurance company is thorough they will spot it in early stage.

If not then you will get away with insuring it but come crunch time they will definitely decline it because if you hit a Beemer then you technically weren't meant to be there on that 600 cc bike at that time.

And cops yes they will not leave you at all. Most will fine you for breach of restricted licence conditions $400. But you can pot your luck.

In terms of skill and age that's another issue. I am obviously not in a position to say how good you are. But few things to remember is when you're out there riding on the roads commuting don't go hard and have a different mindset. More cautious and defensive. Out on the tracks then be aggressive and push yourself.

Why because you're still learning to ride, even good riders who have ridden for many years bin by their own fault, so learning doesn't stop. So you'd rather learn and bin if you are going to on a 250 than a 600. Again why? Obvious reasons 600 would be less forgiving.

How come? Well it's got more power and you'd push it harder and go faster and if you do bin, you'll hurt yourself more, screw up a much expensive bike than yours and won't have insurance.

I know what I've said is a broad general comment and most definitely arguable and I wouldn't disagree with the opposite but it's something to consider whilst making a decision.

Ever thought of a 400? If yes let me know what your thoughts are and I will give you my opinion on why I think a 400 would be a wise decision than a 600.

[adiddy]

mmm cheers moxy, yerrr thats the problem lol.. hitting a ferrari right!
umm apparantly most insurance companies would insure you but that would be if the bike was stolen or in a fire, i wouldnt get covered if i was riding it!

[Ixion]

lol not saying i am awesome i just believe i could handle a 600cc bike!!!
I AM not stupid and believe that my brain would be in control of my wrist!!!

So I see. Go for it, I'm all in favour of getting these things over quickly. Reduces the suspense and cuts back on the clutter.

[Indiana_Jones]

Depends on their age I must say, if they're like 16 and under my roof, then no.

But if they're like 20 out on their own, it's their call then.

-Indy

[adiddy]

If you are going to buy a 600 cc on restricted licence then you will not be able to insure it, if the insurance company is thorough they will spot it in early stage.

If not then you will get away with insuring it but come crunch time they will definitely decline it because if you hit a Beemer then you technically weren't meant to be there on that 600 cc bike at that time.

And cops yes they will not leave you at all. Most will fine you for breach of restricted licence conditions $400. But you can pot your luck.

In terms of skill and age that's another issue. I am obviously not in a position to say how good you are. But few things to remember is when you're out there riding on the roads commuting don't go hard and have a different mindset. More cautious and defensive. Out on the tracks then be aggressive and push yourself.

Why because you're still learning to ride, even good riders who have ridden for many years bin by their own fault, so learning doesn't stop. So you'd rather learn and bin if you are going to on a 250 than a 600. Again why? Obvious reasons 600 would be less forgiving.

How come? Well it's got more power and you'd push it harder and go faster and if you do bin, you'll hurt yourself more, screw up a much expensive bike than yours and won't have insurance.

I know what I've said is a broad general comment and most definitely arguable and I wouldn't disagree with the opposite but it's something to consider whilst making a decision.

Ever thought of a 400? If yes let me know what your thoughts are and I will give you my opinion on why I think a 400 would be a wise decision than a 600.

awesome stuff there!
lol can i ask for your opinion on a 400?
at the moment its like waiting for paint to dry this whole licsence thing anyone know where to get it shortened quickly ! very quickly?

[gamgee]

mmm cheers moxy, yerrr thats the problem lol.. hitting a ferrari right!
umm apparantly most insurance companies would insure you but that would be if the bike was stolen or in a fire, i wouldnt get covered if i was riding it!

no that is incorrect the only way you can get insurance for theft would be to insure it under someones name who has a full licence with a full cover policy, there is no such thing as third party theft and fire for bikes, just wait your time, do a defensive driving course and get your licence, and save yourself a lot of hassle, you don't want to end up writing a $7000 bike off without insurance now do you?

[gamgee]

I just bought a 400 it's not finished being fixed up yet, but going to plan it will be just in time for when I get my full, they are very fun to ride, a nice stepup from a 250, but not a huge leap like I found the 600's were going to be, I mean I could of handled a 600 but a 400 just seems like a nicer step in between

[adiddy]

no that is incorrect the only way you can get insurance for theft would be to insure it under someones name who has a full licence with a full cover policy, there is no such thing as third party theft and fire for bikes, just wait your time, do a defensive driving course and get your licence, and save yourself a lot of hassle, you don't want to end up writing a $7000 bike off without insurance now do you?

ok thanks gamgee, i have fire and theft on my bike at the moment though??!!
just another year to wait thats all on a darn 250 :(

[gamgee]

with what company? i'd be reading the fine print very carefully, I phoned around quite a few companies asking about fire and theft and the common response was no, only get theft cover with full insurance for bikes, or ya could get plain old third party only insurance.

[adiddy]

um i would have done about 9,000kms?! i have been coromandel, taupo rotorua, and done alot of local riding, waiukau, big bay, etc

[adiddy]

with what company? i'd be reading the fine print very carefully, I phoned around quite a few companies asking about fire and theft and the common response was no, only get theft cover with full insurance for bikes, or ya could get plain old third party only insurance.

uhh kiwibiker?! i could be wrong , and prolly are but im sure i have it aye

[muzz]

I'm guilty I rode bikes long before I got my licence.
Had to borrow a mates bike to get my licence.
Couldn't say much when my second eldest rode in on an sv650 except, be careful boy theres no insurance, enjoy, lets go for a ride.
But in saying that he has been riding for a while off road and is quicker than me around some tracks.

[gamgee]

uhh kiwibiker?! i could be wrong , and prolly are but im sure i have it aye

I could be wrong, although it would be a first :whistle:

[adiddy]

ok, so how old was ur second eldest muzz??
mmm i been riding offroad for years , but prefer the onroad stuff now more controllable

[TLDV8]

um i would have done about 9,000kms?! i have been coromandel, taupo rotorua, and done alot of local riding, waiukau, big bay, etc

That is a good broad range..Good for you. :niceone: ........ but you would still have the problems mentioned by others,no full license which would mean no insurance payout and looking over your shoulder.
I thought the full license thing was only 9 months.

[gamgee]

I thought the full license thing was only 9 months.

only for really old people :Pokey:

[adiddy]

sso i have done a bit of riding then ?! mmm bigger bike before christmas or smaller bike till next year?! umm no i think its only 12 months a, atm im on my elarners get my restricted very soon when i book it .. time and $ atm

[muzz]

ok, so how old was ur second eldest muzz??
mmm i been riding offroad for years , but prefer the onroad stuff now more controllable

He was 17 at the time and he also understood that I wasn't going to bail him out if he got in the shit.

[gamgee]

no, you shouldn't even consider a stepup until you've done around 20,000km of various stuff, at least 5000 of low speed town driving etc. because thats we're you really have to be on your toes ready to react to crazy shit, just enjoy it, it'll make it so much sweeter when you can finally stepup

[adiddy]

ok, so i guess stick to the 250? mmm would there be a difference if i sold and bought something newer then a 1988?

[gamgee]

ok, so i guess stick to the 250? mmm would there be a difference if i sold and bought something newer then a 1988?

like a 4 cylinder, yeah it'd be a bit quicker, but there also a shitload more expensive, like around $7000 for a good cond cbr250rr that'd be around a 94 model

[adiddy]

it would make it easier on a quik 250 that could say barel along at about 180?! lol

[gamgee]

it would make it easier on a quik 250 that could say barel along at about 180?! lol

haha, it'd be a bit quicker off the mark, but top speed wise, maybe only 10-20km/h difference

[mynameis]

awesome stuff there!
lol can i ask for your opinion on a 400?
at the moment its like waiting for paint to dry this whole licsence thing anyone know where to get it shortened quickly ! very quickly?

You can always slash a few months off by doing a defensive riding course. I know what the wait is like but there are probably some very good reasons why the system is the way it is. In my opinion it’s always worth a wait.

Reason why I would not step up to a 600, considering a few things like age, skill level, and licence are:

1. Cost of a decent 600cc bike.
2. It’s human nature to push yourself further and with less skills risk increases.
3. Increased risk of binning as you’re jumping straight from a 20 something horsepower bike to 100 plus in most cases.
4. If you bin you’re practically screwed with no insurance you’d have to foot the bill yourself.
5. Bin into an expensive cage you’re screwed further.
6. You’ll get shit from your mates if you own a 600 and can’t ride for peanuts.
7. Not a good idea to push, learn, improve and develop your skills further in comparison to a 250 for reasons stated above.

Have you ridden your 250 out to the max or it just doesn’t have enough grunt? Leaned the bike as far as it can be leaned? Strips less than 5mm? Been out to Puke and done less than a 1.30? From my understanding that’s all possible on a GPX 250 and correct me if I am wrong.

400cc would be a wise decision in my opinion because:

1. Nice and small step up from a 250, so from 20 something horsepower to 40 plus.
2. Bike’s weight and size is slightly more. Would be easier to learn and adjust.
3. In some cases you might be able to get an exemption to ride one legally hence insured. So if you bin your little ass is covered.
4. Not much more expensive than what you have now so you’d be saving a whole lot of serious dough’s for a real bike.
5. If you don’t get exemption and insurance and bin then you’ll have less sleep less nights compared to when you’d bin an expensive 600.
6. But again if don’t get an exemption and insurance and hit a BMW than you’re screwed.

Overall risks are much lower on a 400 than a 600 based on my way of thinking. It all boils down to peoples’ opinion at the end of the day. Either way good luck with your decision.

mynameis

[TLDV8]

only for really old people :Pokey:

Thank God i'm not old :lol:

*


sso i have done a bit of riding then ?! mmm bigger bike before christmas or smaller bike till next year?! umm no i think its only 12 months a, atm im on my elarners get my restricted very soon when i book it .. time and $ atm:

Sure,that is some great mileage for a new rider... If you get the restricted you could be on a 600 by May next year,it will come around soon enough.
It's easy to sound wise now,all i have to do is say the opposite of what i would have done 30 years ago... :laugh:
I have been riding a while and still have plenty to learn.... One day i am going to stop being a sissy and try a track day and some rider courses.

I feel some pics coming on.... 1976..1977..1980..1983.

[muzz]

adiddy: stick with your 250 for another year mate and save your bucks and get something decent.
If you think that a road bike is more controllable when you step up you will understand that that isn't always the case.
More power needs more control.

[Wenier]

Yea man stick with the 250, if ya up'd ya 250 to a ZXR, GSXRR, CBRRR then it would be faster than ya current one and give ya more skill for a 600.

And as said ya wont get insurance, all the companies i have talked to ask for what class you are on so ya get stopped right there. Also as mentioned the third party fire and theft i was told couldnt be done like mentioned earlier also.

I am only 21 and have a 600 which is a blast but before i got it i had a ZXR250 and could ride the shit out of that thing before i even stepped up. Also even if you think your brain will control your wrist, since you've got all that power on tap in the 600 you will just open it up at times.

Now i dont consider myself an awesome rider but have been told by various people im not bad but ya cant let that go to ya head, i went to the race track a couple of weekends ago and had the back driftin out of a corner, would of been a highside moment had i not caught it, but that is how unpredictable it can get. There was no reason for it to step out like that on a corner i'd done over and over the same on this track but it did. And thats what would probably catch ya out on the road.

[Edbear]

Interesting that most of the replies here seem to say "never mind the law, never mind the parents" only consider your skill.

Seems that to be logical, if one freely chooses to ignore "inconvenient" laws at will and ignore parents, one would never consider calling on the law enforcers or one's parents for help when things turn to custard.

At 18, you will pretty much do as you please, but I hope you aren't living at home bludging off your parents with such an attitude and I hope that if you get caught breaking the law you will say, "Fair cop, Guv, I deserve the consequences."

Makes one wonder about your relationship with your parents. Do you love them and do they love you, or is your home a battlefied of discontent. Do you respect them?

My 2c.

[RantyDave]

How would you feel if your son/daughter went out and bought their second bike ( a year or so into riding) and it was a 600?!
I'd kick her arse, put the bike on TradeMe and force her to ride a GN125 for the remainder of her time.

Dave

[James Deuce]

I'm with RantyDave on this one, mostly because I'd end up being held responsible for the unpaid fines relating to being unlicensed.

"I'm broke Dad, can you lend (HA!) me some money to pay my fines?"

"NO! Get a job deadbeat!"

3 months later.

Mr Bailiff: "Mr Dad, your sprout hasn't paid these 3 $200 fines for breaching learner license laws, with admin charges and compound interest these are now $10,000. You have two weeks to pay. Thank you."

$10,000 dollars later.

Mr Flash Benz driver: " I didn't see your sprout even though I followed the sprout for 20kms down SH2. However sprout fell off on a combination of pea gravel and oil and has been charged with careless driving, making sprout the guilty party in destroying the $8000 grill and both $2000 dollar headlight units on my Flash Benz. As sprout was unlicensed and uninsured, and was mumbling something about being an unemployed deadbeat before lapsing into a coma, I would suggest that you can pay me $12,000 to repair my vehicle, or I can drag you through the courts and cost you a couple of decent mortgages. Your decision."

[Mom]

just wait your time, do a defensive driving course and get your licence, and save yourself a lot of hassle, you don't want to end up writing a $7000 bike off without insurance now do you?

Or doing damage to someone elses vehicle uninsured, those insurance people dont stop persuing a debt from an uninsured person.....

[beyond]

I haven't got a problem with it if people are responsible but some valid points:

1. Insurance. You are screwed as you are outside the terms of your licence.
Scenario: you are speeding, a new Merceded happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and you whack it and survive. You got a healthy bank account? Now you have no bike and say a $25,000 repair bill to cover as well, plus the ticket and/or loss of what licence you have.

2. Not picking on the younger people here as many are very good riders. It is proven beyond doubt that until the age of 25, the frontal lobe on the brain is not fully developed which means under the age of 25 you are more reckless, think you are invincible and don't recognise threats or danger as quickly as someone over the age of 25.

If you are going to do this on a restricted, I suggest waiting till you have your full and as you are a young fella, you aren't going to listen anyway, so be darned careful okay? Please! :)

[dnos]

hmmmmm, thats an interesting question.

I think that really you should suck it up and live with a 250 till ya get your restricted, for all those reasons said by others.
Its not really going to take that long is it? And if you really want the excitement of a new bike then go get one - a 250.
I wouldn't have thought that you can learn any more on a 600 than a 250 but i wouldn't really know only ridden one once. Only thing i can see you really learning is how it feels to go over 200kph.

Seriously - think on it long and hard

[muzz]

beyond: You summed it up with your last sentance.

Three teenage boys and you learn to let them flex a little, and be there for support, but as the parent you should be making sure that they are responceable for their actions.
Wonna play with the big boys, stand up and take it like a man.

[gamgee]

hmmmmm, thats an interesting question.

I think that really you should suck it up and live with a 250 till ya get your restricted, for all those reasons said by others.
Its not really going to take that long is it? And if you really want the excitement of a new bike then go get one - a 250.
I wouldn't have thought that you can learn any more on a 600 than a 250 but i wouldn't really know only ridden one once. Only thing i can see you really learning is how it feels to go over 200kph.

Seriously - think on it long and hard

you shouldn't have posted if you don't know anything...

[nezorf]

as said before the only problem is if u hi some 200k merc and u got no insurance, also breaching licence conditions, how tempeted are you to twist the trottle right back? thats more important if you are not going to speed, you might as well be back on a 250, and if you do speed, you should have a large bank balance and a pre-payed plot at the local grave yard.

[Damon]

If your still on your learners then i'd stick with a 250, if you've got the money for a 600 then perhaps you could look into a 2 stroke, something like a RGV or NSR, they will see you past 180kph easy and handle very well, then you can insure it and don't have to worry about the cops giving you tickets for your licence

[The_Dover]

I'd say don't be a cock.

What makes you above the law? There are plenty of fast fuckers out there on 250's. Can you afford the consequences of wrecking a 600 if you say that $$ are preventing you from getting a restricted licence?

By asking the stupid fucking question in the first place you are proving that you aren't mature enough.

Use what money you have to fix up your shitter, get a restricted and do whatever courses are available to accelerate your progression to a full.

And those saying to get a 400?? What difference does it make? He's still breaking the same rules, taking on the same responsibilities and putting himself in the same vulnerable position just with less horsies.

I'm not questioning anyones abilities to ride here, just their responsibilities.

[elle-f]

I agree with Dover - what makes you above the law? its there for a reason.
as for your parents - they are probably saying no out of 1. concern for your safety as good parents should and 2. because it IS illegal and good on them.

i must admit though that its good you are actually asking a bit in here although i think you have probably made up your own mind. Think about when you do crash and who you might crash into - could you honestly say you could pay your way out to fix a car? doesnt even need to be a flash one to cost a couple of thousand bucks then pay the court fees? i probably think not considering you still are saving for that bike. i know its exciting though wanting a new bike and seeing one you want.

my advice is like many others here - and yes, i am an old fart HAHA BUT get a faster 250 until you can legally get insured with a 600 then go for it.

hope you make the right decision.

[gamgee]

I didn't mean now, i meant a 400 as the next bike, when he's legal

[McJim]

I'm a 36 year old on a Learner licence....My mum and dad are 17,000 km away....d'you guys think I should get myself a 'Busa....with added Turbo AND NO2?

Seriously, just suck it up and stick to the laws - there is plenty of time coz you're a young fella. When you've sat your full licence and you buy your first big bike you'll feel a lot more personal satisfaction than if you buy a big bike illegally, always having to ride looking over your shoulder in case the cops stop you. It's all been said before. Doing it right will earn you more respect from other KBers...at least you asked which means there's a chance you'll listen to what the others have to say.

[Ixion]

ok, so i guess stick to the 250? mmm would there be a difference if i sold and bought something newer then a 1988?

Hey, don't go letting them talk you out of it! You need to get that 600 while you still know everything there is to know about riding. If you wait you won't know it all any more.



it would make it easier on a quik 250 that could say barel along at about 180?! lol


180 pfft. A rider of your experience and maturity shouldn't be satisfied with a measly 180. You're not a man unless you can hit the double ton every time you go out. You need at LEAST 200kph.

Go for the 600 . In fact , why bugger around, a litre bike doesn't cost hardly any more, that's want you really need.

Don't worry about your parents, what they think doesn't matter anyway, you want to prove you're a man don't you so why take any notice of them. And anyway, in the long run you'd be doing them a favour.

The site needs a new squid, we keep running out, they get used up so quick. You'll be joining an illustrious company, for a little while at any rate.

I mean toi say, who wants to get old, anyway.

[R6_kid]

k well its for me im 18, and yerr i can ride competently - cant I gijoe ?! lol

my dad gave me the money when i was 18... still paying him back a year later. He knows i can ride, because he paid for me to do RRRS back in the day (his mates brother helps run it) and i'd been riding for nearly 3years prior without incident.

I dont think age has anything to do with it. There are >17yr olds that race superbikes... but that is racing not road riding, honestly you need to look at yourself and think WHY? To look cool? Because you want an extra challenge? (not good on the road), your riding peers believe you have the experience to handle a 600+ bike (from their own experience).

Trust me mate, unless you have some really natural talent (like texmo) the stepup to a 600 wont be easy. Most people cant just get on one and go out and ride the same pace as they could on their 250, its a whole extra learning curve and if you dont respect the beast it WILL show you who is boss (experienced in this situation)... it also tires you out much quicker if you are into open road riding, and there are stronger forces to deal with than you are currently facing on your 250 - something that catches most new 'big bike' riders out.

At the end of the day its up to you, if you are 18 then you can leave home and look after yourself so NO your parents cannot do anything legal to stop you getting a bigger bike pre-full licence. They may kick you out, but either way... take into consideration what i and others have said and have a good think about it. If you want to talk the finer details send me a PM and i'll tell you how i'm coping as a student with a 'modern' supersports 600 bike.

[yungatart]

If my young fella turned up with a 400/600, whatever, I would admire it, then make him prak it in the gagre and hand over the keys until he had the appropriate class of licence to ride it....but then I'm a bitch like that:Pokey:

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

My advice would be to just wait it out man. Your 18 now and have ur restricted, when your 19 your gonna have ur full licence and THEN you can ride what ever you want. The wait may sound alot but believe me, the time flys or time sure seems to sure fly as you get older!! The wait is nothing but the experience is invaluable.

Im 24 and I can only now go for my restricted, it sucks, having had my full car licence since I was 16 to having a stupid ass blue, restricted to a piece of 250 P.O.C licence, but thats the game. But Im looking at dong an OE soon so I will get my restricted before I leave and when I return (with more money than I could possibley make in NZ, I might add) I can straight onto a full and go pay cash for a 10r or gixxer thou. Oh yeahh!!

[skelstar]

Im relatively old now and have learnt to ride in the last year.

Theres been more than one occasion where I have ridden into a bad situation, mostly from poor decision making. I know that at 18,20,or even 25 I would making them far more often.

[jeremysprite]

Did you know that if you're over 18, earn at least $25,000 a year, and don't have a bad credit rating (yet), American Express will give you a Gold credit card with a 25,000 credit limit? or, if you've got more selfcontrol, a blue, which has a 12,000 limit.

So, a nice, 95ish Ducati would cost around 12ish right? Then you could be the coolest 18yo on the street, riding a DUCATI, or if you're more inclined for a jap bike, a GSXR600? Or, if you're gay, a CBR600?(Kidding, hondas rule)

I want a 600 now too! And I'm only 3 months away from my full! Wait your turn. No, you're only on your learners, get a nicer 250 have fun in ways other than riding supersonic.

[Forest]

So, a nice, 95ish Ducati would cost around 12ish right? Then you could be the coolest 18yo on the street, riding a DUCATI, or if you're more inclined for a jap bike, a GSXR600? Or, if you're gay, a CBR600?(Kidding, hondas rule)

It is scary how much they've depreciated. You could pick up a nice low-mileage 916 for as little as ten grand (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-71528354.htm).

Of course a low price still doesn't make it a good idea!

[The_Dover]

of course it doesn't. it's a ducati.

6500km's on an 11 year old import???

smell's fishier than an anglers tacklebag.

[McJim]

of course it doesn't. it's a ducati.

Sez the man who rides the slapper of bikes :rofl:

[Forest]

of course it doesn't. it's a ducati.

6500km's on an 11 year old import???

smell's fishier than an anglers tacklebag.

Normally I'd agree. But according to the listing it was imported by emoto, so you should be able to check the import mileage with them.

I've dealt with emoto before and found them to be extremely straight.

[Paul in NZ]

How would you feel if your son/daughter went out and bought their second bike ( a year or so into riding) and it was a 600?! but they only had a restricted?

If they were a confident, safe/cautioius rider that is and they had a 250 for a year?!
ADiddy

It's a silly question so i doubt I would bother answering it.

But I'll try... cos I'm good like that...

To me it depends upon your reasons and resources. Why do you need to upgrade. A modern 250 is way fast enough to keep up with traffic so if it's just an ego thing (wah wah I want a big bike) then I would oppose it strongly. You are probably not making a terribly mature decision.

If the 250 in question was becoming a liability or was a GN125 or a BSA250 and you were travelling considerable distances on the motorway everyday, I'd listen to your reasons but would advise not to make such a big step without considering an intermeadiate one..

Do you have the resources to fund / keep this beast? I'm afraid modern sportsbikes are not cheap to run!

If you were a riding buddy? Well different story..... ABOVE ALL ELSE!!!! I expect people I'm riding with to take all resonable steps not to ruin anyone elses day. You getting caught on a bike you are not licensed to ride could do that, you falling off because you could not handle the jandal would do that, you not being able to maintain your bike would do that. Don't get me wrong, shit happens, breakdowns, flat tyres etc all happen and I'm there at the front of the queue to help but I expect you to have taken reasonable care to avoid it. You getting into trouble for not being legal would piss me off. You being responsible and sticking with what you can afford and are legally allowed to ride would impress me...

Hope that helps.

Paul N

[adiddy]

yerr nah i get what dover and the rest of you are saying... i think i will upgrade to a better 250!
lol Ixion wtf?!
yerr itl be another year but i suppose with a newer 250 it wont be too bad...

what 250 would be a step up from a gpx?

[James Deuce]

cbr, Zxr, Nsr, Rgv, Rs, Vtr.

Assuming of course that you don't like longer rides/don't mind being semi-crippled. Except for the VTR

[The Stranger]

How would you feel if your son/daughter went out and bought their second bike ( a year or so into riding) and it was a 600?! but they only had a restricted?

If they were a confident, safe/cautioius rider that is and they had a 250 for a year?!
ADiddy

So how did you feel?

[adiddy]

watsup can?!

i feel i should as most people here do stick to the 250 till i get full although a 600 would e nice ill wait till i get back from my OE

[XP@]

I would have no problem if they bought a 600, I had a cb750 before I passed my test.

However. My dad was kind enough to offer to look after the CDI for me. So, it got cleaned inside and out whilst I rode around on my shitty KH100 until I passed my test.

So buy it and don't ride it... amazing how much of an incentive to passing your test...

You could move sideways and get a 250 adventure bike untill you passed ... learning gravel and off road will teach you a heluva lot for when you eventually move on to something bigger...

[The Stranger]

watsup can?!

i feel i should as most people here do stick to the 250 till i get full although a 600 would e nice ill wait till i get back from my OE


Hey I am very much the wrong person to comment on what someone should be riding on their restricted license.

[adiddy]

mmm im gonna have a look for an ofroad/onraod bike something that will hold its value !

hopefully i kan still go on those rides eh dover lol

[McJim]

I like the way you're thinking adiddy. You will get way more respect (and learn more) by riding a 250 well than you will for riding a 600 badly.

I might even hang on to the VTR for a while after I've got my full - who knows?

I see you've got another thread about 250 upgrade - interested to find out if by 'Better 250' you just mean 'Faster 250'.....

Laters

[adiddy]

nah mcjim i mean something different to handle, maybe a bit more challenging?! to keep my riding developing

[WINJA]

How You Would You Feel As A Mother If A Bike Shop Sold Your Son Who Had A Learners Bike Licence An R1 And He Goes Out And Kills Himself On It , This Really Happened But The Pigs Dont Follow That Shit Up , Btw The Bike Shop Was Cyclespot , They Also Sold Another Friend Of Mine With No Bike Licence A Vtr 1000 And He Promptly Crashed It, Shouldnt These Types Of Dealers Be Put Outa Business

[adiddy]

i get your drift winja lol...

[Forest]

How You Would You Feel As A Mother If A Bike Shop Sold Your Son Who Had A Learners Bike Licence An R1 And He Goes Out And Kills Himself On It , This Really Happened But The Pigs Dont Follow That Shit Up , Btw The Bike Shop Was Cyclespot , They Also Sold Another Friend Of Mine With No Bike Licence A Vtr 1000 And He Promptly Crashed It, Shouldnt These Types Of Dealers Be Put Outa Business

Disclaimer: I don't have kids. I like them (but I'm not sure if I could eat a whole one).

However I don't believe that dealers should be held responsible when people misuse the products that they sell.

At the end of the day people need to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. Blaming it on the dealer is missing the real point i.e. that a small number of people are making incredibly stupid decisions.

[WINJA]

Disclaimer: I don't have kids. I like them (but I'm not sure if I could eat a whole one).

However I don't believe that dealers should be held responsible when people misuse the products that they sell.

At the end of the day people need to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. Blaming it on the dealer is missing the real point i.e. that a small number of people are making incredibly stupid decisions.

BUT FOR THE ACTIONS OF THAT DEALER MY FRIEND WOULD BE ALIVE , HE WAS STILL LEARNING ABOUT LIFE AS WELL AS BEING ON A LEARNER LICENCE, HE DIDNT KNOW WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR HIM AND WHAT WAS SAFE WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF LEARNER LAWS , SURE HE WAS WRONG BUYING THAT BIKE BUT THE BIKE SHOP ENABLED HIM WITH AN EASY FINANCE OPTION ACHIEVED BY LIENG TO THE FINANCE COMPANY ABOUT HIS LICENCE STATUS, THIS IS AN OFFENCE IN ITSELF , ITS ALSO AN OFENCE TO HELP SOMEONE COMIT A CRIME WHICH IS WHAT THE BIKE SHOP DID WHEN THEY GAVE HIM A 1000CC SPORTS BIKE FO $40 A WEEK, HEY AS LONG AS THEY MAKE MONEY AYE

[paturoa]

good chioce - stick with the 250 for a while

I moved up bikes too soon and was shit lucky several times as a young fella before the old frontal lobes finished growing.

[WINJA]

Oh Yeah , Fuck That Learner Thing Tho , I Had A 250 But Also Had A Mcintosh Br1 850 Cc And A Gpz1000rx All While On My Learners, I Did Runners Too , Also Did Over 200kmh Thru Mission Bay While Still On A Learners , Dont Really Know How I Lived

[scumdog]

Oh Yeah , Fuck That Learner Thing Tho , I Had A 250 But Also Had A Mcintosh Br1 850 Cc And A Gpz1000rx All While On My Learners, I Did Runners Too , Also Did Over 200kmh Thru Mission Bay While Still On A Learners , Dont Really Know How I Lived


Shoulda told your mate how you did all that shit and lived - he might still be alive now, don't go blaming the bike shop, it's like blaming the gun shop that sold the bullets to the twat that shot the Amish kids.

[James Deuce]

Not really because you have to be licensed to buy a firearm.

You don't have to be licensed to buy a vehicle.

[scumdog]

Not really because you have to be licensed to buy a firearm.

You don't have to be licensed to buy a vehicle.


Te be pedantic: in the USA most states don't require you to have a licence to buy ammo -OR guns in most cases.
(Except handguns and machine guns in most states)

[Forest]

BUT FOR THE ACTIONS OF THAT DEALER MY FRIEND WOULD BE ALIVE , HE WAS STILL LEARNING ABOUT LIFE AS WELL AS BEING ON A LEARNER LICENCE, HE DIDNT KNOW WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR HIM AND WHAT WAS SAFE WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF LEARNER LAWS , SURE HE WAS WRONG BUYING THAT BIKE BUT THE BIKE SHOP ENABLED HIM WITH AN EASY FINANCE OPTION ACHIEVED BY LIENG TO THE FINANCE COMPANY ABOUT HIS LICENCE STATUS, THIS IS AN OFFENCE IN ITSELF , ITS ALSO AN OFENCE TO HELP SOMEONE COMIT A CRIME WHICH IS WHAT THE BIKE SHOP DID WHEN THEY GAVE HIM A 1000CC SPORTS BIKE FO $40 A WEEK, HEY AS LONG AS THEY MAKE MONEY AYE

Dude - I don't want to get into an argument with you. He was obviously a friend and I don't want to piss on your memories.

But I will say this. One of the main reasons that I ride is the thrill of knowing that I alone am in control of the bike. From the moment that I throw my leg over the seat, the bike will respond to nobody else but me.

You might be a bit too young to realise it yet - and your friend may have died before he could understand it - but the price of having this control is that we alone are responsible for the consequences of our actions.

[FilthyLuka]

BUT FOR THE ACTIONS OF THAT DEALER MY FRIEND WOULD BE ALIVE

i have just been shot. should you blame the man that shot me? or the man he got the gun from... or the maker of the gun... or the person who sold him the bullets... or the maker of the bullets.... or god himself for creating raw materials used to construct these bullets... moral of the story. Blame god for every problem :P

as for getting a bigger bike on your restricted... er... why? do you really want to risk a $400 dollar fine and having your shiny 600 impounded. Personally, id wait out the years waiting period...

as for your parents... dont die and they wont kill you :spanking:

[WINJA]

Shoulda told your mate how you did all that shit and lived - he might still be alive now, don't go blaming the bike shop, it's like blaming the gun shop that sold the bullets to the twat that shot the Amish kids.

ACTUALLY I WOULD BLAME THE GUN SHOP OWNER AS WELL IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, LIKE SELLING A WEAPON TO SOMEONE WHO IS MENTAL OR HE KNOWS SHOULDNT HAVE THAT WEAPON, OR IF HE SOLD IT TO SOMEONE WITHOUT THE PROPER LICENCE.

IF I LEFT A JAR OF POISON BY MY LETTER BOX AND A KID DRUNK IT WOULD I BE RESPONSIBLE ?

YOU GOT A FUNNY ANGLE ON SHIT SCUMMY CONSIDERING YOUR A COP AND THEY HAND OUT TICKETS TO PASSENGERS OF CARS NOT BEING DRIVEN SAFELY THESE DAYS. FUCKEN OATH THAT BIKE SHOP IS PARTLY TO BLAME FOR MY MATES DEATH THEY GAVE HIM A TEST RIDE AND FINANCE ON A BIKE HE HAD NO LICENCE TO RIDE OR HAD NO RIGHT TO RIDE , THE GOVERNMENT CLASSIFIED HIM AS A LEARNER , USUALLY WHEN WE ARE A LEARNER WE,LL MAKE STUPID MISTAKES THATS WHY HE WAS LTD TO A 250 SO THE IMPACT OF THE MISTAKE MAYBE SMALLER AND ALSO CAUSE A 250 IS MORE FORGIVING TO LEARNERS, THE BIKE SHOP SHOULD HAVE A PROPORTION OF BLAME

[FilthyLuka]

IF I LEFT A JAR OF POISON BY MY LETTER BOX AND A KID DRUNK IT WOULD I BE RESPONSIBLE ?


err... what kind of a dumb arse kid drinks something he found next to a letter box? especially YOUR letterbox... i dont understand... HEY! a beaker filled with something!

glug, glug, glug... KATHUNK

[FilthyLuka]

THE BIKE SHOP SHOULD HAVE A PROPORTION OF BLAME

well god damn winja... that actually sounds intellegent and logical. Hmm, beer for you!

The bike shop still didnt force the dude to ride the large bike, so they shouldnt be held entirely responsible for his death. But some blame should be placed on the dealership... that would be the smart way of doing things (so obviously it wont happen any time soon). heh, its all fine and dandy to talk about these issues, but untill these ideas (which are pretty decent on your guys part) are implemented, the nz broken arsed law system will stay the same...

[Ixion]

Hm. Initally I would have agreed with Mr Scumdog. But now I'm not so sure. Analagous to the poison example - if a kid asks me if he can play with my loaded gun, and I say, sure, and give it to him, and he kills himself, what's the law say about that?

Needs more info. How old was the guy. And what did the bike shop do/say? Did they try to talk him out of it? Tell him why it was a bad idea?

If the guy was not a kid, and they tried to make him see it was a bad idea but he said "Hey, I'm an adult, I realise the issues, I'm a very responsible person, I take full responsibility, etc " then that's one thing.

If they just went "Sale $$$$$, here's the keys" , well, yeah I see where Mr WINJA's coming from. Not a good look either, lying to the finance company about it.

[WINJA]

Hm. Initally I would have agreed with Mr Scumdog. But now I'm not so sure. Analagous to the poison example - if a kid asks me if he can play with my loaded gun, and I say, sure, and give it to him, and he kills himself, what's the law say about that?

Needs more info. How old was the guy. And what did the bike shop do/say? Did they try to talk him out of it? Tell him why it was a bad idea?

If the guy was not a kid, and they tried to make him see it was a bad idea but he said "Hey, I'm an adult, I realise the issues, I'm a very responsible person, I take full responsibility, etc " then that's one thing.

If they just went "Sale $$$$$, here's the keys" , well, yeah I see where Mr WINJA's coming from. Not a good look either, lying to the finance company about it.

THE GUY WAS 25, HE DID NOT GO INTO THE SHOP INTENDING TO BUY THE BIKE, HE ACTUALLY TRADED A FAR SLOWER BIKE THAT HE HAD JUST CRASHED BADLY, THE OTHER GUY THAT BOUGHT THE VTR1000 SAID JUST HOURS AFTER HE BOUGHT IT THAT HE MADE A MISTAKE BUT THE SALESMAN MADE IT ALL SOUND SO GOOD,IN REALITY HE CRASHED A BIKE THAT HE COULDNT AFFORD THE PAYMENTS ON ANYWAY,HE COULDNT KEEP UP WITH HIS MATES WHO HAD 1000S CAUSE HE WAS STILL JUST LEARNING, AND HE NEVER GOT ALL THE CHICKS HE WAS PROMISED EITHER.


IF THEY DIDNT SELL HIM THE BIKE HED STILL BE ALIVE , THATS JUST A FACT

[WINJA]

err... what kind of a dumb arse kid drinks something he found next to a letter box? especially YOUR letterbox... i dont understand... HEY! a beaker filled with something!

glug, glug, glug... KATHUNK

THATS RIGHT PEOPLE MAKE STUPID DECESIONS , DOESNT MEAN YOU SHOULD HELP THEM

[scumdog]

THE GUY WAS 25, HE DID NOT GO INTO THE SHOP INTENDING TO BUY THE BIKE, HE ACTUALLY TRADED A FAR SLOWER BIKE THAT HE HAD JUST CRASHED BADLY,
IF THEY DIDNT SELL HIM THE BIKE HED STILL BE ALIVE , THATS JUST A FACT

So he learnt nothing from his previous bin???

Sure, the bike shop may have pressured him, you didn't make that point initially BUT even if there was some form of requirement to show a full motorbike licence people will get around it/ignore it - i.e. Look at those on this site on 250cc+ bikes who have no licence or are on learners etc.

People are always finding ways around legislation - radar detectors, false ID to get into nightclubs, borrowing tyres just to get a WOF- you name it, they'll find a way.

[scumdog]

Hm. Initally I would have agreed with Mr Scumdog. But now I'm not so sure. Analagous to the poison example - if a kid asks me if he can play with my loaded gun, and I say, sure, and give it to him, and he kills himself, what's the law say about that?.

C'mon, there's a whole world of difference between passing a loaded gun to a kid and a gunshop miles from a crime scene selling bullets legitimately to somebody who later uses said bullets in a crime.

Sort of like BO selling petrol to somebody that later does a drive-by shooting - should BP then be blamed for the shooting??

Yeah, in hindsight (after WINJA told the full story) the bikeshop could have exercised a little more restraint in selling the bike - BUT at the end of the day nobody put a knife to the throat of WINJAS mate and told him to ride outside his abilities.

[Edbear]

HE ACTUALLY TRADED A FAR SLOWER BIKE THAT HE HAD JUST CRASHED BADLY,
IF THEY DIDNT SELL HIM THE BIKE HED STILL BE ALIVE , THATS JUST A FACT



Are you sure he'd still be alive...?

[Ixion]

Well, selling him a bike manifestly beyond his capability didn't help. I'm coming round to agreeing with Mr WINJA. Selling a high powered bike to a learner who's already just crashed a slwer bike may not be illegal , but it hardly seems ethical.

Of course, car salesmen presumably do it all the time, judging by the number of boi-racers in fast cars ? On the other hand, what of the salesman who sells Ethel a new car? Odds are it's far more powerful than Ethel could handle. But she really won't ever drive it fast.

And what of the salesman who sells a 4WD to a soccer mom. Odds are if she ever DID try to take it off road she'd get hurt. She never will, but the vehicle has the potential.

I've heard tales of inexperienced riders being persuaded by bike shops to buy bigger bikes. Anyone actually ever experienced it or is it an urban myth?

We have bike, and car salesmen here. What do they say, how is the matter viewed within the industry?

[SwanTiger]

I believe all suppliers of goods have a social responsibility (and more often than not a legal responsibility) so I can understand what WINJA is trying to convey.

I know of 2 people who have recently gone and brought bigger bikes to "keep up" a few weeks after purchasing a suitable learner bike. Both of them have since had accidents.

Mark is a good example, he had a mint GN 250 and sold it ('cos it was too slow) for the much more powerful GPX, crashed it, then sold that for a ZXR, a bit more powerful again, and has crashed it twice.

Or maybe the Grim Reaper has retired and Darwin has taken over?

[WINJA]

Are you sure he'd still be alive...?

WILL YOU BE ALIVE TOMOROW?

[BAD DAD]

Get the license before you take your bike, plane, gun or truck out on the road. It is just going to make life so much easier without convictions and fines and all the bullshit that goes with living even slightly outside the law.
Apart from insurance issues and all that, if you are involved in an accident and you don't have the correct paperwork guess who is going to take ALL the blame

[fatnold]

Personal responsibility - the guy who bought the bike---dickhead, the bloke who sold it----dickhead. People like this are the reasons why ACC bike premiums are so fucken high.

[NighthawkNZ]

THE GUY WAS 25, HE DID NOT GO INTO THE SHOP INTENDING TO BUY THE BIKE, HE ACTUALLY TRADED A FAR SLOWER BIKE THAT HE HAD JUST CRASHED BADLY, THE OTHER GUY THAT BOUGHT THE VTR1000 SAID JUST HOURS AFTER HE BOUGHT IT THAT HE MADE A MISTAKE BUT THE SALESMAN MADE IT ALL SOUND SO GOOD,IN REALITY HE CRASHED A BIKE THAT HE COULDNT AFFORD THE PAYMENTS ON ANYWAY,HE COULDNT KEEP UP WITH HIS MATES WHO HAD 1000S CAUSE HE WAS STILL JUST LEARNING, AND HE NEVER GOT ALL THE CHICKS HE WAS PROMISED EITHER.

First of all no disrespect intended and condulences to your friends passing... however...

couldn't keep up with his mates???? why was his mates pushing beyond his capabilities... peer presure? were they speeding? too me the mates have to take some responsibility too... forcing to push his limits, when they knew he was a learner... why didnt they say mate you shouldn't be riding this beast... at least his mates should be saying ride your own ride, and we will meet you at... or ride as a group. hell they knew he was on a learners and on a big bike...


IF THEY DIDNT SELL HIM THE BIKE HED STILL BE ALIVE , THATS JUST A FACT

who said... one can cause just as big a mess on a 250 as you can on a 1000

He knew he wasn't allowed to; legally allowed to ride the bike for a start if he was still on his learners... even if he had his full license he could still make a mistake and its all over... (all riders know this)

When I bought my recent bike the sales person didn't even ask what license I had, he ask what do I want it for, touring, racing, comuting or bit of everything... but I knew I could happily ride anything in the shop and if I couldn't for any reason, (including learner licence) it is my responsibility to tell the sales person that I am only allowed a 250

I am allowed to own any vechicle even if I am not allow to drive it... I can buy a 18 wheeler mac truck if I want even if I don't have a heavy transport license... I am just to not allowed to drive it on the road and its my responsability that I don't. It is not the sales persons, my partners or my parents responsability but mine and mine alone.

We all have to take responsibility for our actions, we all know this by the time we leave high school... and those that say they didn't know in my eyes are idiots/fools or liers or both

Again no disrespect intended and condulences to your friends passing... however...

[Denniso]

Just my 2c worth , if you want to go faster dont buy a 600 buy a formula 3 bike , GO RACING . You'll learn a hell of a lot more about riding and dont have to deal with loose gravel , sheep , idots in cars and all the other crap that goes with road riding. Also as an aside most of the road riders I know that went straight to fast bikes without any intermediate bikes inbetween only learned how to go fast in a straight line.

[Ixion]

But I rather like having to deal with the loose gravel, sheep, idiots in cars and ither crap that goes with road riding. Personally I can think of nothing more boring than racing, just riding round and round the same little stretch of road.

[elle-f]

i believe in social responsibility as well but to many bike sellers a sale is a sale. its up to the individual to get what they want. he seemed pressured but in saying that - at 25 you are an adult. it would be a different story if the person buying had shown the seller a learners licence and then sold them something bigger.

[R1madness]

Dude, you sound like you have a reasonable level of maturity for a young(ish) new (no insult ment here) rider. However 9000k does not make you experianced. Sure its a good start, but a 600 is a lot different to a 250. More power, weight, brakes, etc can get you into trouble very quickly.
Did you know its a 6 month extension on your restricted if caught on a bigger than 250cc bike?
Do an advanced rider training course and cut your time down by 6 months. Then you only have 6 months to go.
Buy some sticky tires for your 250 and practice your cornering and brakeing. Get the hang of chaseing down the big bikes in the twistys. You will get a laugh out of hosing off much bigger and faster bikes while uping your skills even more.
happy riding

[Coyote]

I learnt to ride on a KX80, I believe I'm sensible enough to get any bike I liked. I wouldn't mind a VTR SP or a ZX10R. Money is an issue though

[terbang]

Licences don't make people any better at riding other than the skills and knowledge gained in training to get such licences. And we know thats bugger all here in NZ. However if you are going to ride without a licence make sure you have a decent wad of cash put aside to pay for the fines or pay for the Merc that you may take out. Bear in mind that you may not be around to do the paying in the eventuality of such a mishap so it may be your old man who has to settle things. You better give him access to the account or cash stash as well.
Friend of mine (Blairos) who went straight from learners with a 250 to full on a 1200 in one year. He is doing just fine and has just completed an Auckland-Wellington return in some pretty shitty conditions with no difficulties. It all depends on whats between your ears I guess.

[KATWYN]

Did you know its a 6 month extension on your restricted if caught on a bigger than 250cc bike?
Do an advanced rider training course and cut your time down by 6 months. Then you only have 6 months to go.


Now THAT would be like waiting for paint to dry Adiddy! Good advice by R1.

If you are out there breaking the law by riding a larger cc bike - you are putting yourself at further risk of making some rash decisions if you are out riding and you see a cop and don't wanna get caught or it could be you are concentrating more on dodging cops and getting caught than what you need to be fully concentrating on....which is the road and other drivers.

[Skyryder]

Riding a 600 is no problem in itself but by breaching your license restriction means that insurance is not gonna be something easy to sort out, if you even could. You don't wanna come off and have your bike slide into a 250,000 car and have to pay it's excess now do you?

Listen to what this man says. And ask how long do you have to go before having 'full.' Then ask yourself which is the longer; waiting for 'full,' or how long it is going to take you to 'pay' without insurance of any kind.

Your choice but remember now you are 'riding' it's time to make responsible decisions............not just on the road

Skyryder

[Krusti]

1...Get ya full first.

2...Only you and possibly those who know you can say what you are capable of riding.

3... When you get said bike, remember the best perfomance mod is some prof training.

Hope to chat in a year or so, keep the rubber side down.:scooter:

[MVnut]

Stay with the 250 until you get your full ! You won't be covered by any insurance if you have a prang, not even 3rd party. If you get a 600 on your restricted, you shouldn't be on the roads (public) I wouldn't be impressed if you rode with me.:angry:

[Hans]

Ahh good to see some "solid moral judgement" being passed. Anyway, aside from the legalities and ensurance stuff, ultimately it's up to you to decide. One of the advantages of a bike is that your cock-ups usually don't kill anyone else. Having said that, I agree that prof. training is very usefull. Also it's not the size of the bike that ends up costing you. It's a matter of discipline. Don't twist the wrist more than you know you can afford to. And personally I find heavier bikes /within reason/ easier to ride and handle than something that weighs 130kgs. Have fun.