BIKE UK tester lost licence in NZ

[MD]

Ha ha serves him right. Latest Bike mag has a good story on NZ as biking nirvana. The lucky reporter spent 2 weeks ripping around the South island only to get nabbed at the end.

Normally I would step up and forgive a speeder in certain cases- any case involving me for example. But this idiot overtook a line of cars going through the Ra valley (pause and reflect on the oh so beautiful Ra Valley for riding :cool: )
Anyway, a black Commy he blew passed was a mufti. He was doing 230kph as he passed- that bit éven I don't condone.:Pokey: Who hasn't blasted at sub the speed of sound through there when it's all empty for as far as you can see. But overtaking others...What if one car or a bike in the line was indicating to turmn right across the centreline to a scenic reserve or something!
Must have been a friendly Cop because he allowed him to ride back behind the car to Nelson for a prompt court hearing. Got fined $600 and disqualified for 6 months. He only had 2 days left in NZ so it was a pleasant surprise coming from pommy land where they near execute traffic offenders nowadays.
Funny thing is I'm going to be riding through there in about 20 hours! yeehaa.
Thanks Bike for the black commy warning.:lol:

Edit- opps, yes it's Rai Valley

[Blackbird]

Ha ha serves him right. Latest Bike mag has a good story on NZ as biking nirvana. The lucky reporter spent 2 weeks ripping around the South island only to get nabbed at the end.

Normally I would step up and forgive a speeder in certain cases- any case involving me for example. But this idiot overtook a line of cars going through the Ra valley (pause and reflect on the oh so beautiful Ra Valley for riding :cool: )
Anyway, a black Commy he blew passed was a mufti. He was doing 230kph as he passed- that bit éven I don't condone.:Pokey: Who hasn't blasted at sub the speed of sound through there when it's all empty for as far as you can see. But overtaking others...What if one car or a bike in the line was indicating to turmn right across the centreline to a scenic reserve or something!
Must have been a friendly Cop because he allowed him to ride back behind the car to Nelson for a prompt court hearing. Got fined $600 and disqualified for 6 months. He only had 2 days left in NZ so it was a pleasant surprise coming from pommy land where they near execute traffic offenders nowadays.
Funny thing is I'm going to be riding through there in about 20 hours! yeehaa.
Thanks Bike for the black commy warning.:lol:


It was a good write-up eh? Funnily enough, a couple of mates of a friend of mine were pulled for speeding and ended up in court in Nelson last year. Same judge by the sound of it as he was more interested in what they rode than the offence. Got off with far less than they were expecting.

[The_Dover]

where's the Ra Valley?

[beyond]

Rai Valley ithink???? Between Nelson and Havelock/Pelorus

[The_Dover]

cheers Paul, you gonna bring your French Horn along to my ride tonight?

[Sniper]

Rai Valley Bakery do the best Pies. No wonder I have lost weight since coming to CHCH

[McJim]

So what's the score here? He can't have lost his licence per se since a New Zealand Court has no right to suspend a driver's licence issued in UK. did he just receive a New Zealand wide 6 month ban?

I've been wondering about this myself (not that I speed of course!) but the UK authorities do not require that you surrender your licence when you pick up another licence in another country (kiwis transferring to a UK licence have to return their Kiwi licence) I have therefore got 2 Dirvers licences - if my kiwi licence gets suspended theoretically I just need to pop out of the country...say Australia or New Caledonia and upon my return my UK Licence is valid for a year - should cover any bans I think.

Has anyone used this loophole at all?

Just out of interest - not that I'm gonna break the law or anything (like a VTR 250 will get above 100kph!)

[The_Dover]

It's valid for one year from FIRST entrance into the cuntry.

[jonbuoy]

Nah I think your still stuffed, they know you have a UK and NZ licence - if you get pulled they will run your details and flag up your NZ licence too. Especially if its a big fine and you go to court.

[Dai]

So what's the score here? He can't have lost his licence per se since a New Zealand Court has no right to suspend a driver's licence issued in UK. did he just receive a New Zealand wide 6 month ban?

I've been wondering about this myself (not that I speed of course!) but the UK authorities do not require that you surrender your licence when you pick up another licence in another country (kiwis transferring to a UK licence have to return their Kiwi licence) I have therefore got 2 Dirvers licences - if my kiwi licence gets suspended theoretically I just need to pop out of the country...say Australia or New Caledonia and upon my return my UK Licence is valid for a year - should cover any bans I think.

Has anyone used this loophole at all?

Just out of interest - not that I'm gonna break the law or anything (like a VTR 250 will get above 100kph!)


I used this loophole in the UK for 25 years. Every year I went to the continent and when I came back in my NZ licence was valid for another years riding. Sometimes all I did was take a day trip to Paris, have a beer in the Place de la Concorde and come home in the afternoon.

I actually got a UK licence at one stage then lost that for speeding, so after surrendering the UK licence I drove away from the courthouse on my NZ licence. The Stroud traffic police followed me all the way to Cardiff waiting for me to do something wrong.

[quackquack]

McJim I used my american license when stopped by a cop could not be bothered with the paper work for an international license so they let me off.

[The Pastor]

I don't like speeding arseholes. But I see no problem going 230kph as long as there is no other traffic on the road.

Seing as he didnt crash i'd say he was safe as houses. Awesome getting banned from driving when you don't even live here, more so that he is a bike reporter! what mag is he from anyways? (sorry don't read bike mags)

[The_Dover]

BiKE, you tit.

He was a reporter for Bike.

[MD]

The overseas licence seems to work. 2004 i was in a bunch and one of us got nicked at 170. he had just flown in from oz so showed that licence (he also had a NZ licence but must have forgotten about that, silly man) Officer said he could not confiscate a foreign licence but the instant 28 ban still applied. Issued him the ticket and we pillioned him away under watchful (or wrathful?) eyes.
MUST - get an Oz licence one day when over there ...Over there, over there ...(bursts into stupid old song..) I'm just so upbeat about heading off on a long overdue bike trip.It's 10 past beer o'clock as well for me :beer: .

[Deano]

Have fun and take care Mark. Weather should be good for your trip too.

[Matt]

It's valid for one year from FIRST entrance into the cuntry.

No, i think they changed it recently so it's valid for a year from re-entry (ooer) - there must be some rules though, maybe if you have a valid NZ licence you can't ride on a foreign one??

Matt

[scracha]

It's valid for one year from FIRST entrance into the cuntry.

You're talking $hite. It's valid for one year from LAST entrance to country. Both LTSA web$hite and local copper clarified that for me. Otherwise I'd have been driving/riding illegally for past 11 months.

[popelli]

I have never heard of LTSA demmanding return on a New Zealand licence once you get a UK or other forgein country licence. I know a large amount of people who have both but that could be due to the fact the LTSA doesnt know they have a UK or other foreign country licence.

they don't the DVLA in swansea take your NZ licence and in return give you a uk licence ie you surrender your licence in the UK

pretty good deal as the uk licence is valid for life and the NZ licence has to be renewed every four years

as for the plonker Bike coresspondent, these wankers tear all over europe at high speed and write up about their exploits in the magazine press

trouble is when joe public goes over for a ride the plods are waiting and they have ruined it for the rest of us.

[igor]

So what's the score here? He can't have lost his licence per se since a New Zealand Court has no right to suspend a driver's licence issued in UK. did he just receive a New Zealand wide 6 month ban?

I've been wondering about this myself (not that I speed of course!) but the UK authorities do not require that you surrender your licence when you pick up another licence in another country (kiwis transferring to a UK licence have to return their Kiwi licence) I have therefore got 2 Dirvers licences - if my kiwi licence gets suspended theoretically I just need to pop out of the country...say Australia or New Caledonia and upon my return my UK Licence is valid for a year - should cover any bans I think.

Has anyone used this loophole at all?

Just out of interest - not that I'm gonna break the law or anything (like a VTR 250 will get above 100kph!)

I see ya all been reading the halfwits book of road rules again.

when u get disqualified from driving the nice judge will tell you "you are disqualified from holding or obtaining a licence for a period of ______"

holding a licence gives you the right to drive. You should surrender your licence when u get disqualified or suspended or this is another charge you can be pinged with. Only has a $500 max fine from memory

so when u Jet of to Oz and come back with your ozzie licence and get stopped and if the cop should do a check. Your vehicle will get impounded and u will get 6 months more disqualification at the end of the one you are serving if this is your 1st or 2nd offence or 1 year dizq if its your third or subsequent offence.

The other great thing u forget about is that if u get 2 traffic convitions with-in 4 years that have a sentence of imprisonment. Dangerous type, drink driving, disq driving, care less injury, under the sentencing act you car will be confiscated and sold and the proceeds go to the consolidated fund.

128.Confiscation of motor vehicle—

(1)This section applies if a person is convicted of any of the following offences:
(a)an offence punishable by imprisonment for a term of more than 12 months, or by imprisonment for life:
(b)an offence against any of the provisions of sections 35(1)(a), 35(1)(b), [36A(1)(a) or (c),] 38(1), 39(1), or 56 to 60 of the Land Transport Act 1998 (which relate to driving offences).

(2)A court may exercise the power in subsection (3) if a person is convicted of an offence referred to in subsection (1) and the court by or before which the offender is convicted is satisfied that any motor vehicle owned by the offender or in which the offender has any interest at the time of conviction— (a)was used to commit or facilitate the commission of the offence, whether or not the offender was the driver or person in charge; or
(b)in the case of an offence against any of the provisions of sections 35(1)(a), 35(1)(b), 36(1)(a), [36A(1)(a) or (c),] 38(1), 39(1), and 56 to 62 of the Land Transport Act 1998, was being driven by, or in the charge of, the offender at the material time; or
(c)was used by the offender, whether or not the offender was the driver or person in charge, to facilitate the offender's flight or avoid his or her detection or arrest after the commission of the offence.

(3)The court may order that the motor vehicle be confiscated.

(4)The court may make an order under this section in addition to, or instead of, passing any other sentence or making any other order.

(5)In deciding whether to make an order under this section, the court must have regard to—
(a)any undue hardship that the making of the order would cause to the offender in relation to his or her trade, business, profession, occupation, or employment:
(b)any undue hardship that the making of the order would cause to any other person who would otherwise have the use or benefit of the motor vehicle on a regular basis:
(c)the nature and extent of the offender's interest in the motor vehicle, and the nature and extent of any other person's interest in it:
(d)any other considerations that the court thinks fit.

www.legislation.co.nz

go to statutes and sentencing act 2002.



and yes they can only disqualify him in NZ

[ferretface]

The moment you enter the country your UK licence is only valid for one year, doesnt matter if you popped in here for a holiday or whatever. It's only vaild from that first date of arrival for a year. You can't pop in and out and get another year out of it.




Thats different to what the LTSA say:

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/56.html

The UK have these agreements with other commonweath countries but there's always loopholes - just don't run anyone over cus they will probably look harder at your license!! :whistle:

[ferretface]

Yep sorry its if you stay here for a year then you cannot renew it. If you are just visiting and stay here for no longer than a year then you can go out and come back in.

Yah I was so slow at typing and looking at the factsheet that I missed the other replies! Thats the geek in me coming out....

[jonbuoy]

they don't the DVLA in swansea take your NZ licence and in return give you a uk licence ie you surrender your licence in the UK

pretty good deal as the uk licence is valid for life and the NZ licence has to be renewed every four years

as for the plonker Bike coresspondent, these wankers tear all over europe at high speed and write up about their exploits in the magazine press

trouble is when joe public goes over for a ride the plods are waiting and they have ruined it for the rest of us.

How can the half dozen Bike test riders/journalists ruin it for the rest of us? they would be spread pretty thin over Europe and England. Brits have been using Europe as a safe haven for speeding for years. I guess that will change if they ever do a reciprical arrangement with the EU on demerits or bans.

[SARGE]

So what's the score here? He can't have lost his licence per se since a New Zealand Court has no right to suspend a driver's licence issued in UK. did he just receive a New Zealand wide 6 month ban?

I've been wondering about this myself (not that I speed of course!) but the UK authorities do not require that you surrender your licence when you pick up another licence in another country (kiwis transferring to a UK licence have to return their Kiwi licence) I have therefore got 2 Dirvers licences - if my kiwi licence gets suspended theoretically I just need to pop out of the country...say Australia or New Caledonia and upon my return my UK Licence is valid for a year - should cover any bans I think.

Has anyone used this loophole at all?

Just out of interest - not that I'm gonna break the law or anything (like a VTR 250 will get above 100kph!)


i keep my American License renewed.... i can do it pretty much over the internet..

[popelli]

How can the half dozen Bike test riders/journalists ruin it for the rest of us? .

publishing their exploits in the press for the world at large to read

publicity like this doesn't do anybody any good

[dickytoo]

The overseas licence seems to work. 2004 i was in a bunch and one of us got nicked at 170. he had just flown in from oz so showed that licence (he also had a NZ licence but must have forgotten about that, silly man) Officer said he could not confiscate a foreign licence but the instant 28 ban still applied. Issued him the ticket and we pillioned him away under watchful (or wrathful?) eyes.
MUST - get an Oz licence one day when over there ...Over there, over there ...(bursts into stupid old song..) I'm just so upbeat about heading off on a long overdue bike trip.It's 10 past beer o'clock as well for me :beer: .

If you're from NZ and you get an Ozzie license, they punch a hole in your NZ license. I know because they did that to my license. fortunately, that expired not too long afterwards and i renewed my NZ license so now i've got both.

[dawnrazor]

REPOST

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=33639

[pritch]

Ha ha serves him right. Latest Bike mag has a good story on NZ as biking nirvana.

Thanks for that. I haven't seen BIKE in the magazine shops for a coupla months and was wondering if it had gone under.

Even bought "Cycle World" the other day to ease the withdrawal symptoms.

[Big Dave]

publishing their exploits in the press for the world at large to read

publicity like this doesn't do anybody any good

'no such thing as bad publicity'

[ferretface]

If you're from NZ and you get an Ozzie license, they punch a hole in your NZ license. I know because they did that to my license. fortunately, that expired not too long afterwards and i renewed my NZ license so now i've got both.

I wouldn't have thought they can legally do that - seeing as it wasn't issued by them. I'd tell em to take their stinking hands off my license!

[dickytoo]

I wouldn't have thought they can legally do that - seeing as it wasn't issued by them. I'd tell em to take their stinking hands off my license!


you obviously haven't had to deal with aussie bureaucracy! try and get a medicare card some time. i miss good ol' enzed informality.