Phasing out the 2-smoker?!!

[inlinefour]

After scoring a good original and road legal 2-smoker yesterday (RD250LC) I have been informed by three independant sources that in 2007 there will be a ban on registering any 2 stroke motorcycles in New Zealand. Also if your 2 smoker's rego lapses, your unlikely to get it back on the road. Just a friendly reminder to all here that this looks like it might be happening, although I can not find any official statement on the net (I must admit that I did not search for very long). So all of you that have a 2 smoker in the garage, shed or even in the house and want to make it road legal in the future. Might want to get it sorted sooner rather than later? I'm doing my bit for the environment, bugger these liberal tree hugging, possum kissing greenies... :devil2: :argue: :finger:

[xwhatsit]

I would say that if you'd already had it registered, or it had been produced before a certain date, you could re-register it if the registration lapsed, much like there are special exemptions on older bikes w.r.t. headlights and indicators etc.

It does seem a little bizarre though, that they'd ban 2-strokes... it seems odd to ban an actual engineering technology outright, even if it does produce a lot of emissions. One would think that with modern advances in technology there is still room to produce a relatively clean 2-stroke. Hell, what about all the lawnmowers/outboards etc out there? Why not ban rotaries while you're at it? No offense to you or your independant sources, but I'll be interested to see the official verdict if/when it comes out.

Very interesting.

[GR81]

...Why not ban rotaries while you're at it?...
if only! :(

[WRT]

Why not ban rotaries while you're at it?

Now your talking! :niceone:

[WRT]

if only! :(

LOL - beat me by seconds! ;)

[Str8 Jacket]

WTF! If this is true how the hell am I gonna be able to sell my bike next year! I hope this isnt true!

[inlinefour]

I would say that if you'd already had it registered, or it had been produced before a certain date, you could re-register it if the registration lapsed, much like there are special exemptions on older bikes w.r.t. headlights and indicators etc.

It does seem a little bizarre though, that they'd ban 2-strokes... it seems odd to ban an actual engineering technology outright, even if it does produce a lot of emissions. One would think that with modern advances in technology there is still room to produce a relatively clean 2-stroke. Hell, what about all the lawnmowers/outboards etc out there? Why not ban rotaries while you're at it? No offense to you or your independant sources, but I'll be interested to see the official verdict if/when it comes out.

Very interesting.

Yeah, I'd like to be able to see bikes not having their rego cancelled if not put on excemption. I don't think getting upset about it will help as their are and allways will be idiots passing idiotic laws in NZ. Yes I would also be interested in reading something official. One of the sources was a dealer, I suspect they'd be in the know eh. However I'll be happier than a pig in shit if I'm wrong... :whistle:

[ManDownUnder]

Does anyone have anything in writing to back this up?

Sounds bloody wierd to me.

[Str8 Jacket]

Yes I would also be interested in reading something official.

Same. Im not gonna stress about it till then. But if it were true it would also mean that Street Magics would have to be off the road if it were true, it all just doesnt seem quite right. *keeping my fingers crossed*

[Motu]

It's for Kalifornia,but ultimatly their legistation filters down to the rest of the world....it's all about emission control,and it all comes from Kalifornia.Europe is seeing a move back to 2 strokes,riders have realised the upkeep on a modern competitive 4 stroke is just too much if you don't have factory backing.The noise issue too - believe it or not 4 stroke MX ers are noisier than the 2 strokes.

I think your sources have been reading posts on Thumper Talk,this is not America.....the land of the free,where you can't buy or ride a 2 stroke.

[inlinefour]

Turns out no one knows much about it, was put through to a "warrent specialist", who was quite unsure herself as well. Ater spending some time on hold and listening to the crap music, I was put through to Colin Hainsworth, who knows about these things (perhaps). He was not there and I had to leave a message on his answerphone and hopefully he will get back to me. For those getting upset, don't worry, if your bike is legal, there is no issue with keeping it that way. However having an old collectable 2 smoker and getting it back on the road, could become an issue in future, or not. All depends on what the LTSA says, or if they even know... :buggerd:


It's for Kalifornia,but ultimatly their legistation filters down to the rest of the world....it's all about emission control,and it all comes from Kalifornia.Europe is seeing a move back to 2 strokes,riders have realised the upkeep on a modern competitive 4 stroke is just too much if you don't have factory backing.The noise issue too - believe it or not 4 stroke MX ers are noisier than the 2 strokes.

I think your sources have been reading posts on Thumper Talk,this is not America.....the land of the free,where you can't buy or ride a 2 stroke.

I'm hoping your right Motu, as I'm sure is everyone else. :)

[ManDownUnder]

I think your sources have been reading posts on Thumper Talk,this is not America.....the land of the free,where you can't buy or ride a 2 stroke.


No - this is the land of the bound... we clearly need to add fibre to Aunty Helen's diet

[Damon]

Me Mum works for the LTSA so i've emailed her to find out, will let you know

[Motu]

No,bound to follow the rest of the world - Kalifornia says no 2 strokes....Honda will make no more 2 strokes as their major market will no longer allow them.....NZ gets no more Honda 2 strokes....and in retrospec passes a no 2 stroke law.

[WINJA]

if only! :(

FUCK OFF ROTORS RULE BITCH

[TLDV8]

No,bound to follow the rest of the world - Kalifornia says no 2 strokes....Honda will make no more 2 strokes as their major market will no longer allow them.....NZ gets no more Honda 2 strokes....and in retrospec passes a no 2 stroke law.

What 2 strokes do Honda make besides a few dirtbikes and scooters.

Maybe i should give all my H2's away now :Pokey: Honda

[inlinefour]

What 2 strokes do Honda make besides a few dirtbikes and scooters.

Maybe i should give all my H2's away now :Pokey: Honda

I'll be around shortly with the van mate... :2thumbsup

[beyond]

FUCK OFF ROTORS RULE BITCH

Yep, I loved my rotaries. Had a series 4 and a series 6 and selling my bat was a real sad day. Man that thing could go and stuck like glue in the corners. :)

[SwanTiger]

I believe Ixion posted something relevant to this based on correspondence between himself and a NZ Government official. The gist of it is that two strokes will not be banned in New Zealand.

EDIT: I just found the thread he created about this: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34876

[inlinefour]

I believe Ixion posted something relevant to this based on correspondence between himself and a NZ Government official. The gist of it is that two strokes will not be banned in New Zealand.

However NZ Politicians are as fickel and change their mind more than a bus load of supermodels.
This might be the case at present but the NZ Govt is well know for reversing their earlier decisions and pushing ahead with things they said they would not be. Well I have not heard anything back from the LTSA, so who knows? :(

[Damon]

apparently there is something comming in for smaller bikes, eg under 50cc but nothing they know of for bigger 2 strokes

[SwanTiger]

However NZ Politicians are as fickel and change their mind more than a bus load of supermodels.
This might be the case at present but the NZ Govt is well know for reversing their earlier decisions and pushing ahead with things they said they would not be. Well I have not heard anything back from the LTSA, so who knows? :(

Check out this thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34876

I'm not too worried about the 2 stroke engines being phased out, although it is surprising. I heard from a "boat expert" that they are trying to phase out the 4 stroke marine engines as they are more pollutent and less effecient than their 2 stroke counter parts.

The reason I am not worried is because the only two stroke I own is not road legal anyway :wari:

[inlinefour]

Check out this thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34876

I'm not too worried about the 2 stroke engines being phased out, although it is surprising. I heard from a "boat expert" that they are trying to phase out the 4 stroke marine engines as they are more pollutent and less effecient than their 2 stroke counter parts.

The reason I am not worried is because the only two stroke I own is not road legal anyway :wari:

Yea I've seen that thread also, but that was for a warrent and 2 smokers being exempt from the visual exhaust rule? What I've been told refers to the issueing of a registration for a 2 smoker to put it back on the road or new ones.

[imdying]

Pfft, doesn't bother me. Bet ya the fine for riding one (probably only get nailed for using another bikes plate on it) will be bugger all, and I doubt very much I'd get pulled for it anyway.

[inlinefour]

Just got called back from Colin. Sounds like atm things are all good regarding old 2 smokers. However should anyone want to know more then the minisrty of transport should be consulted as they are responsible for the changes in legislation. Colin stated that provided a 2 smoker runs at the same level as when it was first produced or within 10% of that, things will be fine. :2thumbsup

[Krayy]

Shit, now I'll have to buy a new lawnmower :2thumbsup


Sesame St disclaimer: This legisilation was brought to you by the number 2 and the letter 'M' - proudly sponsored by Masport.

[SinstaNSR]

I'll ride mine weather they like it or not!!!!!

[Titanium]

2 strokes have been banned in California for years. All to do with a couple of new regulations (old now) EPA2006 which aimed to cut emmissions from vehicles by 50 % when passed in 2000? then they went 1 step further and bought out CARB 2008 (California Air Research Board) which aimed to reduce vehicle emmissions a further 80%? by 2008.

The first to feel the pinch were Jet ski manufacturers who lost their second largest market (behind Florida) over night, even fuel injected 2 strokes did not comply with EPA2006.

So it is the death for anything 2 stroke in California, the second largest market for anything in the states except fake titties and plastic surgery. No 2 stroke lawn mowers, weed eaters or anything are allowed in California.

If you get stopped by the 5-0 in California, they breath test your car before they breath test you.

Just my 10c worth.

[JeremyW]

Why not ban rotaries while you're at it?

OH please please do....

Does anyone know about this supposed wet sump 2-stroke? I am dubious and cant find anything on Google...

It does seem extremely unfair to outright ban 2-strokes. Maybe NZ might be a little more sensible and just create tight laws on them.

[Motu]

Trouble is 4 strokes can't take over all the roles of the 2 stroke.I just mowed my lawn with a 4 stroke - it sucks compared to my super grunty 2 stroke.They have 4 stroke weedeaters now,but they use premix! How can that be a reduction in emissions?

The wet sump 2 stroke is waiting for direct injection technolgy - buy a Mitsubishi GDI to see how far they are along with that project.

[McJim]

It's for Kalifornia,but ultimatly their legistation filters down to the rest of the world...

Cool - Legal Spliffs. Me likee.

So are we prepared to give up 2 strokes for good if they legalise canabis?

[inlinefour]

Cool - Legal Spliffs. Me likee.

So are we prepared to give up 2 strokes for good if they legalise canabis?

I'm not giving up my 2 smoker for that shyte! :spanking:

[TLDV8]

So it is the death for anything 2 stroke in California.

Not everything ? .. I believe the main focus is recreation/implements not road registered vehicles.

Jay Lenno at the Rock Store,Southern California.
*
As far as New Zealand banning Two Strokes,i doubt it considering how many polluting Jap import 4x4 diesels there are..Not to mention factories that crank up the emissions once the sun goes down.

[sAsLEX]

I would say that if you'd already had it registered, or it had been produced before a certain date, you could re-register it if the registration lapsed, much like there are special exemptions on older bikes w.r.t. headlights and indicators etc.

It does seem a little bizarre though, that they'd ban 2-strokes... it seems odd to ban an actual engineering technology outright, even if it does produce a lot of emissions. One would think that with modern advances in technology there is still room to produce a relatively clean 2-stroke. Hell, what about all the lawnmowers/outboards etc out there? Why not ban rotaries while you're at it? No offense to you or your independant sources, but I'll be interested to see the official verdict if/when it comes out.

Very interesting.

I dont get it.

Two strokes are the most effiecient IC engines in the world with some getting close to 50% efficiency

Oh well shipping is going to get alot more expensive......

[sAsLEX]

I heard from a "boat expert" that they are trying to phase out the 4 stroke marine engines as they are more pollutent and less effecient than their 2 stroke counter parts.

The reason I am not worried is because the only two stroke I own is not road legal anyway :wari:

Your Boat Expert is a muppet then.

Most lakes in the states are banning 2 strokes from them, hence all the new 4 stroke outboards we are seing hitting the market about now since America is the worlds largets recreational boating market.

And they are banning recreational 2 strokes in Cali, so why wouldnt they do it here?

[Fryin Finn]

riding in to work I pulled up behind an older (early 80's) BMW car and the exhaust had an old musty smell (lead substitutes?) certainly not to my taste. Later on the motorway I was passed by an Aprilla 250 2 smoker. The scent from the exhaust reminded me of spring and all things beautiful. How could anyone want to ban anything that brings such delight to our atmosphere.