hXc - victim of road rage

[yungatart]

On his way home from band practice tonight at about 9.30, hXc became a victim of road rage.
He came up behind a couple of people in a ute, weaving all over the lane at about 30 kph. Wanting to put some distance between him and them he pulled out to pass. As he got level with the driver he could see that he was texting on a cell ph so beeped the horn at him, shook his head and carried on down the road. The guy in the ute then decided that a bit of tail gating was in order, made all the more interesting by turning his headlights on full. hXc thought in light of their response perhaps he'd be better off behind them, so slowed and pulled left to let them overtake. They weren't having any of that tho, slowing and pulling left right behind him. He then sped up and carried on, only to have the lights turn red as he approached.

He was turning left at the lights, but was feeling pretty intimidated by this point, so didn't indicate his intentions. They pulled up beside him and the passenger threw his door open, nearly knocking hXc off his bike. The guy then starts throwing punches to his chest, arms and slaps him around the head a few times.. duh, moron! What does that do when you're wearing a helmet.

The lights changed green, hXc turned left, with the offenders going straight through the intersection, whereupon, hxc u-turned and followed at a safe distance to get their rego.
Police have been informed and were coming around to take a statement but have just rung and taken one over the phone instead.

hXc is okay, not hurt, but was pretty shaken up by the whole thing. He was able to give a good description of the vehicle and the prime offender and I hope they get the sod. Big hero - over 6 ft tall, and pretty solid (read: too much macca's). Picking on a fairly average height, slightly built teenager.

[SARGE]

On his way home from band practice tonight at about 9.30, hXc became a victim of road rage.


hXc is okay, not hurt, but was pretty shaken up by the whole thing. He was able to give a good description of the vehicle and the prime offender and I hope they get the sod. Big hero - over 6 ft tall, and pretty solid (read: too much macca's). Picking on a fairly average height, slightly built teenager.



post the rego hun...someone will 'find' the dick

[MattRSK]

WOW I'm really sorry to hear that. That sucks big time. I hope that the guy gets done, put through the wringer. Give Zac my best!

[yungatart]

Blue ute PG 6988 occupied by a couple of "early settlers"

[skelstar]

That sucks. Make sure he knows we are all behind him.

[yungatart]

That sucks. Make sure he knows we are all behind him.

Where were you when he was whacked then??:(
hXc says ta for that guys and, Skelstar, don't stay behind him too long tho as he is off to bed now...

[Smorg]

motherfuckers.................he should've given him the liverpool kiss

[Indiana_Jones]

That shit makes me fucking sick.

Let's break their legs.

-Indy

[James Deuce]

Oh Noes, Indy on the rampage!

But seriously. If can get up there this weekend, I'll wear my undies on the outside, Super Hero styles.

Zac may need a bourbon (nudge, nudge).

[yungatart]

Zac may need a bourbon (nudge, nudge).

Alright, you can bring it.

That was hXc on my login...but if you are coming to our place with your undies on the outside, you'd best be bringing the bourbon anyway - I will need it

[yungatart]

Just had another ph call from the cops, the registered owner of that vehicle has not lived at the address on file for 3 years.... appears tho that there is fingerprints/handprint on the helmet. We have to take it in to the station tomorrow.
Advice from the cops - don't pass people like that, it only antagonises them... WTF, motorcyclists are supposed to have some sort of 6th sense that lets them know the driver in front of them is of caveman mentality...
What about taking the angry drivers off our roads??? nah.. silly suggestion - too hard basket, of course.

[padre]

This was not road rage. Your son did NOTHING wrong. "Road rage" makes it sound explainable or excusable when it is neither. Knucklescrapers who do this should lose license and vehicle. And be permanently cuffed (make em tight).

What this was is like this. Son met a DANGEROUS psycho on the road. An evil psycho bitchhole who looks for any opportunity to spread his hate around. If he'll bash a stranger at the drop of a hat, you can guarantee the loser is no joy to those unlucky enough to know him.

May the owner of pg6988 SUFFER removal from the planet soon. Pollution!

To damage psycho's vehicle will not suffice. If murder was legal I'd place him at the top of our list. But the best we can hope for is that he has the good sense to get himself sterilised. I will pray that his slime is not fertile & keep an eye out. Life can become difficult when mail and things go astray, and all sorts of bad luck plagues one. If PG is a KBer do NZ a favor - perish.

[Street Gerbil]

Glad to hear that the kid is ok.
The person in the ute is a psychotic maniac and should be dealt with as such.
Technically, what the bastard did qualifies as "assault with a deadly weapon". In USA people do serious time for that. Any lawyer folk around here - will this fly in New Zealand?

[Macktheknife]

Glad you are ok hxc, next time dont bother stopping, ride directly to the local cop shop and lean on the horn as close to the door as possible. Ride up the foot path if needed but don't stop, the next psycho may use his car instead of his fist!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Blue ute PG 6988 occupied by a couple of "early settlers"

Then that would be a 1990 Mitsubishi L200 Ute

Mervyn Te Ragitautini
7 Bull St
Ahuriri
Napier

Be a damn shame if someone 'accidentally' spilt some battery acid on said ute.

[Smorg]

Then that would be a 1990 Mitsubishi L200 Ute

Mervyn Te Ragitautini
7 Bull St
Ahuriri
Napier

Be a damn shame if someone 'accidentally' spilt some battery acid on said ute.

would if i could but can't throw that far

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Hope it dosn't afect you to much hxc it's just a pity that this country has assholes like that.
Youngtart is this a good reason to cook him some eggs bacon and toast. keep smiling

[Sniper]

Roadtrip sound in order. Bet they wont be so cool with 10 or so people of the same size finding them and knocking them around.

[MSTRS]

Then that would be a 1990 Mitsubishi L200 Ute

Mervyn Te Ragitautini
7 Bull St
Ahuriri
Napier

Be a damn shame if someone 'accidentally' spilt some battery acid on said ute.

Thanks man, As a victim, the cops sure made my young fella feel like he was the offender. We will be keeping an eye out for the above toerag :spanking:

Roadtrip sound in order. Bet they wont be so cool with 10 or so people of the same size finding them and knocking them around.

Indeed - you know when....:hug:

[Colapop]

Be a damn shame if someone spilled some petrol on said vehicle.... then accidentally dropped a match...

You know my number, and I'm due for a trip.

[MidnightMike]

Im in, 6'5" with a pair of huge hands to tear that bastards car to bits.

[Sniper]

Indeed - you know when....:hug:

Actually making a concious effort to (For once :p) But it looks like work for me unless I get the weekend off cause someone else volenteers to take my place

[Leong]

Haven't read the whole thread, but that really sucks. Hope hXc is OK, and learns to trust people again. Must be terrible for you guys as parents too... my sentiments...

[Colapop]

Jaesus Leong it's 2 pages!!

[TLDV8]

I'm glad hXc is ok.
The probelm with those sort of people is mentality.
You know like when somebody pulls out in front of you,you give them the finger then they get angry :Pokey: ..In hinesight it is better to simply pass and carry on.

A smack in the head for those kind of folk is the only way they learn...but that is to easy.
Perhaps if you know somebody who does dairy work (tube welder)..get some rice paper (which disolves in liquid) and make some balls containing sugar. They would then go easily down the fuel filler me thinks.

[Big Chim]

Man That suxs

There is nothing dynamite cant fix!!

[Edbear]

Glad to hear that the kid is ok.
The person in the ute is a psychotic maniac and should be dealt with as such.
Technically, what the bastard did qualifies as "assault with a deadly weapon". In USA people do serious time for that. Any lawyer folk around here - will this fly in New Zealand?


SG makes a good point. This was assault and should be treated as such. Don't let the Police treat it as a "raod incident". Be very clear and concise as to what you want done and how you want it addressed. In my personal experience in reporting an incident, the Police, though not deliberately, so, got their wires crossed and misinterpreted my report.

[Karma]

Big hero - over 6 ft tall, and pretty solid (read: too much macca's).

OI!!

I'll have you know I never touch macca's.




Now BK / Wendys / KFC / Pizza Hut / Hell is all good....

[yungatart]

Thanks for all your support for our lad. Its great to belong to a place like this, eh?
We are taking his helmet in to the cops this morning and will be sure that they get it right. It was an unprovoked assault and scum like that need to be in a place other than society for decent folk.
We will certainly be keeping our eyes peeled for this vehicle...karma rules!
While hXc did nothing wrong, there are things that he could have done differently and we have talked to him about that - running red lights etc....

[slimjim]

yup bad new's to hear this shit, still alive, so can learn lucky ,cop's aren't no help, so live and remember, stay hard and ride just as, :cool:
mirror's are for parking:2thumbsup ,

[Waylander]

Be a damn shame if someone spilled some petrol on said vehicle.... then accidentally dropped a match...

You know my number, and I'm due for a trip.
BEfore you go dumping petrol on some innocents vehicle, you should read where Yungatheart posted that apparetnly the owner of the ute has not lived there for some years.

Wouldn't hurt to check it out first though and if the ute (correct colour and rego plate and all) is there, then go nuts.

Balogna on the hood in summner heat works wonders for the paint.

[Sniper]

Does no one use thermite anymore????

[hXc]

Thanks for all the support and comments guys. I'm ok, was just a little shaken up. It scared the fuck out of me to be precise. Considering I'm about 5ft 7 and slim (65kg), and he was at least 6ft and obese. . .But I got all the details I could, and if he's on file already (Mr Plod said these types of guys usually are) then we are going to court and it will be treated as (aggravated) assault.

Thank you all so much though. Makes me feel a little better

[Waylander]

Does no one use thermite anymore????
Meh, might be fun but I have no idea where to get it form.

Bologna on the other hand... Plus as it sits there eating away the paint it attracks birds and other animals wich tend to shit on the car aswell.

[Sniper]

Meh, might be fun but I have no idea where to get it form.


I could make some up for you in 20mins. Its a lot more fun than bird shit too. :2thumbsup

[Waylander]

I could make some up for you in 20mins. Its a lot more fun than bird shit too. :2thumbsup
MY brother has a quarter stick of dynamite lying around his place somewhere. Might just go grab that.:banana:

Would be faster to get here I think lol.

[Sniper]

Fair enough too lol.

Good to see you are ok HXC

[hXc]

Does no one use thermite anymore????
The following is taken from http://www.members.lycos.nl/pyrocorp/pyrocorp_online/anar666.htm


Thermite II... or A better way to make Thermite by Jolly Roger

Thermite is nasty shit. Here is a good and easy way to make it.
The first step is to get some iron-oxide (which is RUST!). Here is
a good way to make large quantities in a short time:

- Get a DC convertor like the one used on a train set. Cut the
connector off, seperate the wires, and strip them both.

- Now you need a jar of water with a tablespoon or so of sodium
chloride (which is SALT!) added to it. This makes the water
conductive.

- Now insert both wires into the mixture (I am assuming you
plugged the convertor in...) and let them sit for five minutes.
One of them will start bubbling more than the other. This is the
POSITIVE(+) wire. If you do not do this test right, the final
product will be the opposite (chemically) of rust, which is RUST
ACID. You have no use for this here (although it IS useful!).

- Anyway, put the nail tied to the positive wire into the jar. Now
put the negative wire in the other end. Now let it sit overnight
and in the morning scrape the rust off of the nail & repeat until
you got a bunch of rust on the bottom of the glass. Be generous
with your rust collection. If you are going through the trouble of
making thermite, you might as well make a lot, right?

- Now remove the excess water and pour the crusty solution onto a
cookie sheet. Dry it in the sun for a few hours, or inside
overnight. It should be an orange-brown color (although I have
seen it in many different colors! Sometimes the color gets fucked
up, what can I say... but it is still iron oxide!)

- Crush the rust into a fine powder and heat it in a cast-iron pot
until it is red. Now mix the pure iron oxide with pure alluminum
filinos which can be bought or filed down by hand from an aluminum
tube or bar. The ratio or iron oxide to aluminum is 8 grams to 3
grams.

- Congrats! You have just made THERMITE! Now, to light it...

- Thermite requires a LOT of heat (more than a blow torch!) to


ignite. However, a magnesium ribbon (which is sorta hard to find..
call around) will do the trick. It takes the heat from the
burning magnesium to light the thermite.

- Now when you see your victim's car, pour a fifty-cent sized pile
onto his hood, stick the ribbon in it, and light the ribbon with
the blow torch. Now chuckle as you watch it burn through the hood,
the block, the axle, and the pavement. BE CAREFUL! The ideal
mixtures can vaporize CARBON STEEL! Another idea is to use
thermite to get into pay phone cash boxes. HAVE FUN!! -Jolly Roger-</pre>

[Wasp27]

Just sent you a PM re MITZY UTE

[jeremysprite]

Yup thermite!!! Scientists in america put a 1kg block on top of an engine block... after it was finished, the engine was sagging off its supports

CHEAPER (?), easier option -

Mitre 10, bottle of spirit of salt which is hydrochloric acid, about 8mol L-1 (read:eats stuff quick), which will eat through his bonnet, axle, cylinder head, and leave an odorous, green coloured gas. Do not breathe.

[Sniper]

Hehe, look at all the background chemists who would lose a body part trying that which they have written.

Not you hXc BTW, that was a copy/paste by the jolly roger who is an egg

[sAsLEX]

Blue ute PG 6988 occupied by a couple of "early settlers"
:blink: thats my suprised face


I could make some up for you in 20mins. Its a lot more fun than bird shit too. :2thumbsup
Where you getting alot of rust and powdered aluminum from Snipe?

[SwanTiger]

Hmm,

1. The offender is obese/fat
2. Ergo; The offender is unfit
3. Ergo; The offender most likely eats large quantities of fatty foods and has a poor ticker (heart)

Solution:
Tie the offender by chain behind a 4X4 vehicle and drive at jogging pace around a paddock in 10 minute bursts, stopping for 5 minute breaks. Continue until the offender has a heart attack.

The reason this must be done in a paddock is that he will occasionally fall over and if there is too much damage (grazes from the road, etc.) then there will be questions.

Otherwise he is just a fat dude who had a heart attack.

That or send MARK AWESOME !! to live with him for a week.

[SwanTiger]

Where you getting alot of rust from Snipe?
A Suzuki........

[Sniper]

Where you getting alot of rust and powdered aluminum from Snipe?

Powdered aluminum wont be hard to get, the rust would take a bit longer, but I like having freckles of magnesium ribbon through it which is the expensive stuff

[sAsLEX]

Powdered aluminum wont be hard to get, the rust would take a bit longer, but I like having freckles of magnesium ribbon through it which is the expensive stuff

Only need that to get it started the thermite rection burns alot hotter than magnesium!

Joinery places dont mind if you collect some of the machining swarf apparently , and the rust is a bitch to make heaps of and get dried properly!

[Sniper]

I like making sure it would work properply. Have you heard of the P concept?

Yea I know what you mean about the rust being dryed properly, but thats another reason for the extra magnesium.

Now, best I stop talking about it lest someone think me a devient.

[sAsLEX]

Have you heard of the P concept?


No .

[Sniper]

No .

P for plenty.

If using a explosives of any type you always need to do some calculations because butting a block of C4 down and blowing up a city block only works in movies. If a calculation ends in P then it means use the minimum amount, but a little more wont matter, except when blowing a tree 50ft up in the air... :lol:

[Edbear]

Thanks for all the support and comments guys. I'm ok, was just a little shaken up. It scared the fuck out of me to be precise. Considering I'm about 5ft 7 and slim (65kg), and he was at least 6ft and obese. . .But I got all the details I could, and if he's on file already (Mr Plod said these types of guys usually are) then we are going to court and it will be treated as (aggravated) assault.

Thank you all so much though. Makes me feel a little better





Good onyer, mate! All the best!

[Coyote]

To damage psycho's vehicle will not suffice. If murder was legal I'd place him at the top of our list. But the best we can hope for is that he has the good sense to get himself sterilised. I will pray that his slime is not fertile & keep an eye out. Life can become difficult when mail and things go astray, and all sorts of bad luck plagues one. If PG is a KBer do NZ a favor - perish.
Murder is too good for some people. It's not like you suffer after death because you're too dead to realise you're dead. Hang 'em by 'is nuts I say

And these people tend to be the ones that breed like rats sadly

And good job you didn't get badly hurt hxc. Hopefully this guy gets caught. And thanks for the thermite recipe, must spread the rep around

[padre]

Swantigers idea. plus the P, exercise plus P and it all looks natural. You also line up loads of takeaways by the running track - no pixie caramel for this dik.

Nb - said vehicle is NOT the offenders. He was passenger in it. But if he turns up to court in another then positive ID can be made for that one's wheels.

Yungatart - for some reason cops try to find ways a crime is not one on a technicality. For example (in NZ) you can not murder on the road. On the road and using a vehicle is a disqualification. It can be murder 1 in the U.S.
Similarly assault seems to be regarded as something lesser if it happens on the road - by definition "road rage" seeks to understand the offender by framing him as a stressed out commuter. And for some reason they raise the question of whether it is deserved - right up to murder.

We can not believe in a universe where shit happen to victims. There is self interest in this. As if shit happens randomly them we could all be in the victims shoes oneday. So of course it don't - they always deserved it, not tough enough, not smart enough, not fast enough - whatever!!!!

"Hmmm so the guy you kicked to death while he was unconcious after you and your friends beat him for 5 hours kind of deserved it. First he called you an alien and then after passing out he made a smelly mess and thats why you kept on. Well yes of course your actions are kind of understandable so I think we'll just call it manslaughter - no? Oh but it wasn't really an accident you say. OK then how about just injuring with intent."

[MidnightMike]

That or send MARK AWESOME !! to live with him for a week.

Or a day. :whistle:

[Beemer]

What an arsehole, probably related to the bitch who got out of her car and threatened to do me in once in Levin. I was in the straight-through lane, she was in the left-turning lane and of course deciced to go straight ahead, trying to cut in front of me. I blasted on the horn (I was in the car) and was still ahead of her when I got to the roundabout a few hundred metres away. I had to stop for a car coming from my right and she jumped out of her car and ran up to my door, yelling her head off and calling me everything under the sun. Unfortunately for her, the car cleared the roundabout so I just took off, leaving her with a line of traffic built up behind her!

If it had been me in this instance, I would have looked at running the red light if I could do so without endangering myself or others. After all, it's not likely THEY would have reported the incident. Unfortunately there are tossers like that everywhere.

Oh, and speaking of tossers, saw this 'early settler' (like it!) riding a V-Rod through Levin this morning - wearing camouflage gear and a German-style open face helmet. Looked so pathetic!

[BAD DAD]

Sorry to hear about hXc and his trouble. One thing puzzles me slighly though: "Early settler"... is that possibly someone who arrived after Abel Tasman or could it be [I]before[I] ATasman? Maybe I'm on the wrong track, tell me.

[WINJA]

Wtf He Cant Have His Mum Sticking Up For Him Forever , Buy Him A Gun

[Sniper]

Sorry to hear about hXc and his trouble. One thing puzzles me slighly though: "Early settler"... is that possibly someone who arrived after Abel Tasman or could it be [I]before[I] ATasman? Maybe I'm on the wrong track, tell me.

They are refering to the "indigenous" as early settlers. Some seem to forget they ate the originals.

[Swoop]

One thing puzzles me slighly though: "Early settler"... is that possibly someone who arrived after Abel Tasman or could it be [I]before[I] ATasman? Maybe I'm on the wrong track, tell me.

You should use your imagination before you get carried away around here...:whistle:
Sorry to hear hXc.:(

[Finn]

They are refering to the "indigenous" as early settlers. Some seem to forget they ate the originals.

Nor have they settled in very well. They're still pissing and moaning today.

[Wasp27]

To hXc or Yungathart- please email me, I have info re Mitzy Ute

[andrea]

Oh Noes, Indy on the rampage!

But seriously. If can get up there this weekend, I'll wear my undies on the outside, Super Hero styles.

Zac may need a bourbon (nudge, nudge).


hmmm:shifty: <_< ill give you 50 bucks if you ride down auckland city with a pair of tights or stockings and a jockstrap on the outside, and ill even through in a bottle of whisky, ill be capturing all that on my mates new camera. oh and a bra too with a cape.
hxc i hope you are alright and i hope the arseholes get caught and i hope their dags get cut off and the cops shove a big buttplug up the wankers arse's.

[Scorpygirl]

Hi HxC

Sorry to read about the incident last night. :weep: Please take very good care of yourself over the next few days as being shaken like that can really take it out of you mentally as well as physically. I hope you get the bastard and there is some justice!! I am thinking about you. You don't need this sort of shit in your life at the mo either. :hug: :hug:

[hXc]

Hi HxC

Sorry to read about the incident last night. :weep: Please take very good care of yourself over the next few days as being shaken like that can really take it out of you mentally as well as physically. I hope you get the bastard and there is some justice!! I am thinking about you. You don't need this sort of shit in your life at the mo either. :hug: :hug:
Hey thanks for that.

Well people, it seems the cops have been mislead. They were told the owner of that ute has not been there for 3 years, yet today, a certain KBer saw that very same ute outside that very same house, so it has some sort of connection with it.

If I happened to get photos with times on them (digi cam) on different days and different times, and give them to the Police, would that be frowned upon? Technically, I'm not doing anything illegal, but they may not want me 'meddling'(sp?) with their 'investigation'.

[Indiana_Jones]

Can a mascot?....

<img src="http://www.beigebrigade.co.nz/albums/album15/Fox_web.gif">

Beat the shit out of this low-life cunt?

-Indy

[crashe]

Hey thanks for that.

Well people, it seems the cops have been mislead. They were told the owner of that ute has not been there for 3 years, yet today, a certain KBer saw that very same ute outside that very same house, so it has some sort of connection with it.

If I happened to get photos with times on them (digi cam) on different days and different times, and give them to the Police, would that be frowned upon. Technically, I'm not doing anything illegal, but they may not want me 'meddling'(sp?) with their 'investigation'.

Contact: Scumdog, Bykey Cop or any of the other police officers on this site for their advise as to whether or not this is the thing you should do.

They know best in this situation re your question.



As to running the red light... the police wont mind as you are doing everything possible to save your life from being hurt or terminated by these people.

I had to do that once and the police officer told me it was ok in that situation.

[Waylander]

As to running the red light... the police wont mind as you are doing everything possible to save your life from being hurt or terminated by these people.

I had to do that once and the police officer told me it was ok in that situation.
That's them telling you where as hXc is a young male. (AKA Boyracer) in the eyes of the cops. He would get done for it.

[Leong]

Jaesus Leong it's 2 pages!!

I was meant to be at Pukekohe by 10am!! ( and felt like I should post! )

[sunhuntin]

hxc....that sucks the big one eh? i told some buddies in the triumph club here, and they were all disgusted, as am i.

i seriously hope some sort of justice is served...its time those that get hurt or attacked are treated like victims...not criminals...which many of us are made to feel like.

photos might be a good idea, but do contact the onsite cops for the best advise...if the ute isnt living there, then he must know those that are...was it the owner/driver of the ute who hit you, or the passenger?

[hXc]

Shit! Argh! The case will be going no further. The driver of the car went into the cop shop last night and spoke to the officer in charge of the case, his story was virtually the same as mine, but more trying to save his arse in there.

Because the driver 'doesn't know him' and the prints on my helmet aren't identifiable, the offender will not be found. The driver says that his name is 'Ed', doesn't know his last name and he 'just picked him up'. Oh, and the driver 'didn't see him hit me'. . .

What a load of shit, that is! So, I guess it's brake fluid time now, even though it wasn't the driver who hit me.

[Swoop]

the driver 'doesn't know him'
Tui moment????


Or brake fluid moment...

[yungatart]

Yep, pretty much what hXc said, except that the cop spoke to me as well. He is "very concerned' at the way Zac 'engaged the driver' and provoked the situation, putting himself at risk.
BTW the cop knows that the driver is lying, but can't torture him to get to the truth.
Zac should have stayed behind him, got a rego number, stopped his bike, removed gloves and helmet, and used his cell ph to call police. They would have been there quickly to apprehend a possible drink driver and been totally unconcerned about Zac being outside of his 10 pm curfew by then !
Yeah right, says I! (The cop actually thought it was 10.30 not 10pm).
We do have discretion, he says, and use it! Another tui ad!
The only option open to us is to see this thug walking down the street, make a positive ID, call the cops and it will be all over rover for him... another tui ad.
I can't believe the way that this guy tried to make Zac out as the criminal, the wrong doer in this instance. Seems like another case of the victim being shafted while the thug runs free.
Rant over
Faith in our police force - er, no, not much.

[Indiana_Jones]

I think this cock-knocker really needs to become a victim....

-Indy

[hXc]

It's things like this that make the NZ Police force lose their respect. The cop knows he's lying, but can't do a thing about it.

I feel like slightly modifying my numberplate now. Brake lever mounted somewhere easily accesible, attatched to top of number plate; when lever is pulled, plate flicks up, latch the lever up and do what you want. Then when you're out of sight, un latch the lever and the plate flicks down again.

[hXc]

If this was in the states, couldn't the driver of the vehicle be done with misleading the law or something?

[Ixion]

Technically, could here also. Supplying false information, or perverting the course of justice. Or maybe obstructing the police in the execution. Or even accessory after the fact .

Realoty is, you're not going to get the police to take any interest. Noone was really hurt, the assault was a minor one, and the possible charges(to the driver, for fibbing I mean) would be incommensurate with the offence.

[hXc]

WordIt's still a crock of shit

[Ixion]

It's still a crock of shit

Granted.
Oh bugger 10 chars. Isn't it time something was done about that stupid rule

[Finn]

Granted.
Oh bugger 10 chars. Isn't it time something was done about that stupid rule

Yes I think so

[hXc]

Yes I think so
The dark side always reveals one's secrets, dear Finn. One should think of that before trying to be sneaky. If one is not careful, one's tricks are revealed to all and one shall be banished from one's group.

[Finn]

The dark side always reveals one's secrets, dear Finn. One should think of that before trying to be sneaky. If one is not careful, one's tricks are revealed to all and one shall be banished from one's group.

You're developing a habit of upsetting unstable people aren't you.

[Clivoris]

hXc. If these guys have any chance of knowing who you are think very carefully about delivering kharma. I have seen these things develop into wars, with pets and property being easy targets. They may well be fat losers that can't be bothered getting off the couch...but they might also be fat losers that can't be bothered getting off the couch unless it is to act out on some fucked up belief that it's ok to hurt peolple that fuck them off. I grew up in Hastings so maybe my perspective is skewed by experience.
2/100

[Crasherfromwayback]

So, I guess it's brake fluid time now, even though it wasn't the driver who hit me.

Best thing to do in the first place. Glad to hear you're aok as that sort of shit can be pretty unsettling. If I may offer what I hope is good advice....I think when you're on a bike, it's best not to engage in the swapping of stares and glares. Simply get a number if you feel the need, and get away from such drivers. You just never know when one of them may be pissed or stoopid enough (or worse both) to use his vehicle as a weapon. Not good. Been there.

Stay safe.

[Indiana_Jones]

Technically, could here also. Supplying false information, or perverting the course of justice. Or maybe obstructing the police in the execution. Or even accessory after the fact .

Realoty is, you're not going to get the police to take any interest. Noone was really hurt, the assault was a minor one, and the possible charges(to the driver, for fibbing I mean) would be incommensurate with the offence.

Translation: the cops are too busy handing out tickets.

-Indy

[Crasherfromwayback]

Translation: the cops are too busy handing out tickets.

-Indy

And of course it's for our own good. Road safety and all! Tui.

[Pixie]

Powdered aluminum wont be hard to get, the rust would take a bit longer, but I like having freckles of magnesium ribbon through it which is the expensive stuff

I wonder if the iron oxide pigment use to colour concrete is pure?
If so,it is available from hardware chains and it's already a fine powder

[Pixie]

I can't believe the way that this guy tried to make Zac out as the criminal, the wrong doer in this instance. Seems like another case of the victim being shafted while the thug runs free.
Rant over
Faith in our police force - er, no, not much.

Be reasonable yunga,The cop had the choice of shifting the blame onto Zac or putting down his donut and getting off his fat arse.
Do you know how difficult and terrifying the later is for a civil servant?

[Lou Girardin]

Seems like another case of the victim being shafted while the thug runs free.
Rant over
Faith in our police force - er, no, not much.

Payback is free and very satisfying. Give it a few weeks then deal to chummies ute.

[SixPackBack]

"Don't get mad, get even!!"

[sAsLEX]

P for plenty.

If using a explosives of any type you always need to do some calculations because butting a block of C4 down and blowing up a city block only works in movies. If a calculation ends in P then it means use the minimum amount, but a little more wont matter, except when blowing a tree 50ft up in the air... :lol:

AH my young grasshopper.

1 pound of C4 on a 3 inch thick steel plate will but slightly tarnish the surface.

100 grammes of C4 over a little copper angle will cut the fucker in half like a hot knife through butter.

Explosives require finese to be truely effective not just more to make more boom, though things like the MOAB kinda of throw that theory out the window.....

[FROSTY]

Hey HXc --mate sorry to hear that happened to ya
THE REST OF YA ---DONT BE DICKS
This forum is ACTIVELY being scanned by the police -
Do ya really think they take kindly to some idiots talking violence ??
Just a heads up

[yungatart]

There WILL be NO revenge - karma will deal to this prick all in good time, and it will not be done by us

[Sniper]

THE REST OF YA ---DONT BE DICKS
This forum is ACTIVELY being scanned by the police -
Do ya really think they take kindly to some idiots talking violence ??
Just a heads up

Let them come. If they are not going to do anything about and yet want to stop us doing something about it, then Im sure there are a few of us who would take it a bit further up the chain.

[sAsLEX]

This forum is ACTIVELY being scanned by the police -
Do ya really think they take kindly to some idiots talking violence ??


Do they really think the public likes being pissed about by an ineffective law enforcement agency?!

Maybe the police shoud stop wasting resources trying to set up speed traps for our rides and actually try to stop violent crime, now theres a novel idea aint it!

[Colapop]

The reality is, this is an online spouting place. A plumbers shop of emotion if you will. I'm sure if the situation had happened to someone who was capable of dealing with it at the time, it wouldn't have happened at all. These sentiments are all very nice but the reality is, nothing will be done about iy other than people will vent a bit here and move on and forget it.

[Finn]

Hey HXc --mate sorry to hear that happened to ya
THE REST OF YA ---DONT BE DICKS
This forum is ACTIVELY being scanned by the police -


Excellent! Hey pigs, can you please get rid of all the white trash and sooties in our neighbourhood? They don't live here so what are they doing wandering around at night? Graffiti, vandalism and theft are rampant at the moment so any help would be appreciated.

Ain't the internet great.

[Ixion]

Hey HXc --mate sorry to hear that happened to ya
THE REST OF YA ---DONT BE DICKS
This forum is ACTIVELY being scanned by the police -
Do ya really think they take kindly to some idiots talking violence ??
Just a heads up

Then I hope they feel throughly ashamed of themselves.

What happened could easily have turned into something like http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10404894

As to "idiots talking violence". Obviously, from this and many other examples, they don't give a stuff about idiots PERPETRATING violence. So why should they care about people TALKIN about it?

There's no quota for catching bashers. So they aren't interested.

[Scouse]

Hey there is allways Two sides to evey incident and if hxc was to take a good hard look at himself he may see that somtimes ya just gotta tuck yer head in and get on with it instead of trying to be a smartarse and dont go running to mummy when it all turns to shit

[Waylander]

It's things like this that make the NZ Police force lose their respect. The cop knows he's lying, but can't do a thing about it.

I feel like slightly modifying my numberplate now. Brake lever mounted somewhere easily accesible, attatched to top of number plate; when lever is pulled, plate flicks up, latch the lever up and do what you want. Then when you're out of sight, un latch the lever and the plate flicks down again.
Fuck that's a good idea. Do something like OneArmBandit has for his clutch swap over. A smaller shorter leaver for flipping the plate up.

[SuperDave]

Fuck that's a good idea. Do something like OneArmBandit has for his clutch swap over. A smaller shorter leaver for flipping the plate up.

Why not put in on a hinge that is tight enough not to come loose but loose enough to be flipped up and down by hand. Far less conspicuous.

Sorry to hear about what happend to you, those guys sound like right cunts and deserve to receive the shit they deal out. The fact that the cops are being of little to no help makes me even angrier. I would say go and get even but it's probably not the best idea now that it's out in the open so to say.

[Waylander]

Why not put in on a hinge that is tight enough not to come loose but loose enough to be flipped up and down by hand. Far less conspicuous.
Don't know about you but I can't reach my plate while riding.

[Sniper]

Don't know about you but I can't reach my plate while riding.

Yes you can, use your feet

[Waylander]

Yes you can, use your feet
Yea that would be so inconspicuous...:whistle:

[scumdog]

Can't you guys put one hand over you no. plate and ride at the same time??

Saves worrying about "is the plate up or down" and getting pulled over 'cos you have no obvious no. plate.

[Hitcher]

Sounds like young hXc was a lucky lad. If driver or occupants of said ute had been off their respective faces on P or suchlike, the outcome may not have been so sanguine. Always take care in dealing with vehicles where the collective IQ of its occupants is less than the octane rating of the fuel powering it.

[sAsLEX]

Sounds like young hXc was a lucky lad. If driver or occupants of said ute had been off their respective faces on P or suchlike, the outcome may not have been so sanguine. Always take care in dealing with vehicles where the collective IQ of its occupants is less than the octane rating of the fuel powering it.

With the current octance rating of 95 thats a little difficult in alot of places Hitch!

[yungatart]

Hey there is allways Two sides to evey incident and if hxc was to take a good hard look at himself he may see that somtimes ya just gotta tuck yer head in and get on with it instead of trying to be a smartarse and dont go running to mummy when it all turns to shit

He didn't go running to Mummy , he went to the cops! And he is bloody lucky to have two parents who are there for him, sorry you don't like but that is how we come
There is two sides to every story, for sure, but it is NEVER ok when it is two against one, it is NEVER ok when it is a scrawny 15 yo against one fat boonga with a second one waiting in the car.
You need to get over yourself and what ever percieved injustice our "redneck Adams family" has done to you and while you are at it why don't you grow up!
Rant over!

[Hitcher]

Boonga. Is that a technical term?

[MSTRS]

Boonga. Is that a technical term?
Yes, just like booger but spelt differently

[KLOWN]

that suck ass hxc. Get some gloves with carbon fibre knuckles and punch him back, after all you well padded and hes just a fat stupid fuck.

[sunhuntin]

He didn't go running to Mummy , he went to the cops! And he is bloody lucky to have two parents who are there for him, sorry you don't like but that is how we come
There is two sides to every story, for sure, but it is NEVER ok when it is two against one, it is NEVER ok when it is a scrawny 15 yo against one fat boonga with a second one waiting in the car.
You need to get over yourself and what ever percieved injustice our "redneck Adams family" has done to you and while you are at it why don't you grow up!
Rant over!

hell...when i got hit by the bitch who ran a stop sign...all i wanted was my mummy and daddy! lol. my cell phone was in the topbox, plus i didnt know either of their work numbers, so had no way of contacting either. i was so relieved that my workmate told dad who was biking past my work, who went and got mum....

getting hit at all, by either a car or a person, can be frightening to a person, so understandable that parents would be one of the first ports of call.

[yungatart]

Some (one) on here doesn't see it like that, and has the impression that hXc is a 'mummy's boy'... those that have met him can testify that he is not, those that don't know him, we don't really care what they think but that particular KB er has had his hooks into one or another of us for yonks... baiting frequently with his snide sarcastic comments. Today I got fed up with his pathetic lack of maturity and I bit back, will be red repped from here to eternity for it I guess, but there is always the ignore button, eh?
Thanks for your understanding folks and your kind wishes for our lad

[Zukin]

Some (one) on here doesn't see it like that, and has the impression that hXc is a 'mummy's boy'... those that have met him can testify that he is not, those that don't know him, we don't really care what they think but that particular KB er has had his hooks into one or another of us for yonks... baiting frequently with his snide sarcastic comments. Today I got fed up with his pathetic lack of maturity and I bit back, will be red repped from here to eternity for it I guess, but there is always the ignore button, eh?
Thanks for your understanding folks and your kind wishes for our lad

Hi
I for one can vouch for hXc, and I have only met him once, he called in to see my daughter on her birthday and we got talking about bikes (as you do :D) and I can honestly say he is very mature and has his head screwed on.
Even worse I havent met his mum or dad, but I guess they have to take a lot of credit for his manners etc.
I personally dont think after meeting him and talking to him that he would of provoked this scum!!

My thoughts

[Zukin]

Napier ride!! The 100 bikes ride

Meeting time
9.00pm

Meeting Place
7 Bull St
Ahuriri
Napier

Start with the compulsory revving of your engine to see what your rev limiter is set too!
Then we will just sit there and catch up, share stories etc

I would love to see at least 100 bikes there!!

[speights_bud]

hXc, do you think if you sat down the road from there place you would be able to identify this guy? then ring the cops and have them turn up. I can see that sitting down the road mightn't be the best idea, but if there a couple of us causing no problems except sitting there then there shouldnt be an issue.

Didn't the cops say you'd have to identify this 'Ed' before they could do anything else?

[MSTRS]

.
Didn't the cops say you'd have to identify this 'Ed' before they could do anything else?

They may have, but what they really mean is that they are not interested in pursuing the matter. We have all had another lesson in how the cops are not really on our side. Guess the monthly payoffs aren't working:buggerd:

[ManDownUnder]

Then that would be a 1990 Mitsubishi L200 Ute

Mervyn xxx xxxxxx
7 xxxxx St
Ahuriri
Napier

Be a damn shame if someone 'accidentally' spilt some battery acid on said ute.

It'd be a bigger shame if someone was dumb enough to exact revenge on the guy after details were posted in a public forum...

hXc - glad to hear you came through it ok mate.

[speights_bud]

Righto :cool: so does that pretty much leave it as case closed?

[speights_bud]

It'd be a bigger shame if someone was dumb enough to exact revenge on the guy after details were posted in a public forum...

Therefore it could be any member of the public, just as this dude driving the ute said, i don't know anything about it, i saw the post but don't even know where the place is right?

Not saying it's a good idea, but arrogance can work both ways....?

[MSTRS]

Interesting story now....
Many years ago a biker in New Plymouth had been drinking at his local just down the road from the copshop. He decided he had had too much to ride, so to avoid the temptation he walked down to said copshop and handed them his keys. The pricks then locked him up for being drunk in charge.
The next week he was again over what he considered his limit and, remembering his abysmal treatment, decided to just ride home.
He met two cars drag-racing and presumably was not quick enough in his reactions to avoid them.
Yes, he was killed.
The cops are NOT your friend

[scumdog]

Righto :cool: so does that pretty much leave it as case closed?

No.....
All the young-dumb-full-of-cum KBers on this thread can go to the registered owners last address like a bunch of vigilantes and torment the person living there.

Of course the fact that the driver involved does not live there (and probably never has) should not be allowed to interfere with the pleasure obtained by above KBers 'doing their thing' at the address.

[scumdog]

Interesting story now....
Many years ago a biker in New Plymouth had been drinking at his local just down the road from the copshop. He decided he had had too much to ride, so to avoid the temptation he walked down to said copshop and handed them his keys. The pricks then locked him up for being drunk in charge.
The next week he was again over what he considered his limit and, remembering his abysmal treatment, decided to just ride home.
He met two cars drag-racing and presumably was not quick enough in his reactions to avoid them.
Yes, he was killed.
The cops are NOT your friend

Not a bad troll!!
On the above premise I can assume all KBers are total wanking arse-wipes hmmm????

[ManDownUnder]

Therefore it could be any member of the public, just as this dude driving the ute said, i don't know anything about it, i saw the post but don't even know where the place is right?

Not saying it's a good idea, but arrogance can work both ways....?
My take on it - anyone taking revenge is:

1) stooping to his level... which in turn will provoke another response. It's called an arms race
2) planning to do this on vehicles... with number plates? Gee I wonder if they have access to looking up plates too... let me see... $2 at the Post Office isn't it?
3) committing a premeditated criminal act
4) presuming the person you're planning to get has no way of responding with force. 100 bikers on the lawn revving, doing donuts etc is one thing. A sinlge .22 rifle pointed out the window changes the balance of power pretty damned quick. and if it's a shotgun, or a semi auto...

As a rule of thumb - never argue with an idiot - they wear you down to their level and beat you with experience. Get the cops on the case, and stay close to the cops - see what comes of it.

Don't do what they expect. They want confrontation - that's what they expect. The want it and are probably good at dealing with it.

[MSTRS]

Not a bad troll!!

Well the last line perhaps. Where's me reward?


On the above premise I can assume all KBers are total wanking arse-wipes hmmm????
No. Only some of them.:whistle:

[scumdog]

Well the last line perhaps. Where's me reward?

No. Only some of them.:whistle:

Sort of like 'some' cops??:whistle:

[MSTRS]

Sort of like 'some' cops??:whistle:

Careful. Your cap and head are approaching compatibility.:spanking:

[scumdog]

Careful. Your cap and head are approaching compatibility.:spanking:

I have a cap???

Don't worry, I was not refering to myself, just knocking sweeping generalisations...

[duncan_bayne]

They may well be fat losers that can't be bothered getting off the couch...but they might also be fat losers that can't be bothered getting off the couch unless it is to act out on some fucked up belief that it's ok to hurt peolple that fuck them off. I grew up in Hastings so maybe my perspective is skewed by experience.
I believe Niccolò Machiavelli summed this up pretty well ... "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared."

[McJim]

I have a cap???

Don't worry, I was not refering to myself, just knocking sweeping generalisations...

Sadly some sweeping generalisations are true...all people of Glaswegian descent are friggin' nut jobs...look at me....and you...as examples :rofl:

Even Dover thinks I'm a nutter and I'm only half his height.

[sAsLEX]

Sort of like 'some' cops??:whistle:

On his troll, what are the reqs to be DIC'ed I mean if you unlock your car to sleep it off in it and crawl in to the backseat? Or as he did just having his keys on him?

[MSTRS]

Or as he did just having his keys on him?

That's sufficient in the eyes of the law.
In real terms it would seldom be used (I would hope) but certainly was in the case I mentioned. I won't post the guy's name but it did happen in New Plymouth (around 1980 I think). Twas on the hill out of Fitzroy when it was still 1 lane each way

[yungatart]

That's sufficient in the eyes of the law.
In real terms it would seldom be used (I would hope) but certainly was in the case I mentioned. I won't post the guy's name but it did happen in New Plymouth (around 1980 I think). Twas on the hill out of Fitzroy when it was still 1 lane each way

Twas 78 -79 and at Mangati Rd Bell Block, I knew the guy, he was a friend of my ex-husband. Had what was left of his bike and ridgies at our place for a long time.... not nice

[scumdog]

On his troll, what are the reqs to be DIC'ed I mean if you unlock your car to sleep it off in it and crawl in to the backseat? Or as he did just having his keys on him?

With me? You'ld have to be behind the wheel, engine running, lights on etc.

Keys in hand not enough.
Mind you, neither is "I was just getting the car going to get the heater working" to get you off.

Theoretical argument BUT a person who is drunk beside a Learner (who is driving) is technically "Drunk in charge".

[Paul in NZ]

Now this is what I call road rage.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3824016a11,00.html

Gleep!

[Clivoris]

Now this is what I call road rage.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3824016a11,00.html

Gleep!

So glad they nabbed the loser. Hope he gets hammered.

[scumdog]

Now this is what I call road rage.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3824016a11,00.html

Gleep!

Frickin loser - couldn't even operate a pepper-spray, kinda dick that would take a knife to a gun fight!!

[R6_kid]

ok so they over-reacted to him, but if you are young and in a vulnerable situation (eg riding a bike and not very well built yourself) then it normally pays to just go on your way without being the 'big man' and looking disagreeingly at other road users because of their actions.

Glad he's ok, and i dont mean to be a dickhead, but it sounds like he should keep to himself a bit because i'm sure he's been in a situation like this before... thats more than i have experienced in nearly 5 years, and i ride like a dick too.

[Steam]

There ain't no justice, in this life or the next, beyond what you create yourself.

[Lias]

Pretty simple really.

You have an address, you know the driver is associated with it in some way even if he doesnt live there.

Get a carload of guys, make sure everyones wearing black and has a balaclava. Turn up at said house , making sure each person has a baseball bat / weights bar / axe handle / what have you. Kick in the front door, yank the phone out of the wall, and beat the shit out of the people in the house until they tell who the guy who did it is, and where he lives.

Or you simply send our russian alchoholic friend Mr Molotov to visit them.
Either works for me.

The only language our "early settler" friends understand is violence, so you need to speak in their reo.

[yungatart]

As posted before, LIAS, there will be no revenge!
Since the police already believe the criminal more than they believe the victim in this case, who do you think they will come running to when the shit hits the fan?
hXc is 15 and a criminal record will seriously interfere with his career plans.
Karma will deal to these scum eventually, we just have to be patient.

[Lias]

As posted before, LIAS, there will be no revenge!
Since the police already believe the criminal more than they believe the victim in this case, who do you think they will come running to when the shit hits the fan?
hXc is 15 and a criminal record will seriously interfere with his career plans.
Karma will deal to these scum eventually, we just have to be patient.
You just make sure hXc has a very very good alibi at the time that doors being kicked in.

[scumdog]

Pretty simple really.

You have an address, you know the driver is associated with it in some way even if he doesnt live there.

Yer trollin' right?

So somebody buys a ute off you, fails to change ownership, pisses off somebody whose huge ugly mates kick in your door looking for the new owner of the ute, I bet YOU would be thrilled with THAT!!!

OR Ute owner lived at the address where you now live only he was living there about two lots of tenants previous to you.
And agin, he pisses off somebody who then comes in through your shattered front door with a group of nasty heavies at 3am looking for owner of ute...

Again I bet you'ld be stoked with THAT too eh?

You cv lists YD&FC as principal atributes I'd say:whistle:

[Clivoris]

Pretty simple really.

You have an address, you know the driver is associated with it in some way even if he doesnt live there.

Get a carload of guys, make sure everyones wearing black and has a balaclava. Turn up at said house , making sure each person has a baseball bat / weights bar / axe handle / what have you. Kick in the front door, yank the phone out of the wall, and beat the shit out of the people in the house until they tell who the guy who did it is, and where he lives.

Or you simply send our russian alchoholic friend Mr Molotov to visit them.
Either works for me.

The only language our "early settler" friends understand is violence, so you need to speak in their reo.

Your "language" is much more evolved than "early settler" alright.

[jonbuoy]

Jesus - talk of petrol bombing someone because they slapped a kid. Dare I say there was a bit of provocation from both sides, not that it justified hitting or slapping him back. Its not like both guys jumped out and gave him a good kicking. Lesson learn't? Just overtake and move on.

[R6_kid]

hXc is 15 and a criminal record will seriously interfere with his career plans.
Karma will deal to these scum eventually, we just have to be patient.

When i was in a similar situation i told the police exactly what happened (including my actions which werent exactly exemplary), this put me up on the wall too which i took into account at the time. Perhaps if a criminal record is not going to do good things for his career plans (police? aviation?) then perhaps he change tack on the road and start being a little more thoughtful when he decides to do things like this.

I'm not saying he did wrong, or that he deserved what happened, or that the cops will do him for what has happened, but until he has a bike powerful enough to get himself out of the way of trouble then it might pay to just keep his head low to ensure he fullfils his career plans.

[Lias]

Yer trollin' right?

So somebody buys a ute off you, fails to change ownership, pisses off somebody whose huge ugly mates kick in your door looking for the new owner of the ute, I bet YOU would be thrilled with THAT!!!

OR Ute owner lived at the address where you now live only he was living there about two lots of tenants previous to you.
And agin, he pisses off somebody who then comes in through your shattered front door with a group of nasty heavies at 3am looking for owner of ute...

Earlier in the thread it was posted that the ute had been seen outside that address in the last day or two, despite police being told the person hasnt lived there for years. Ergo my statement that the driver still has SOMETHING to do with that house. Maybe he still lives there, maybe its his parents, who knows.. The ute was outside the house, which means the driver is still associated with it.

My point was either the person will be at the house, or the people at the house will know who he is, because his ute still goes there.

[Lias]

Your "language" is much more evolved than "early settler" alright.
I dont make a habit of beating up random teenage kids on motorbikes. I do however make a habit of using violence when anyone threatens or attacks my friends and family, and I dont fuck around with bitch slaps. If someone fucks with me and mine, I will retaliate, I will not play nice, and I will escalate the level of force used.

Think of me as the US of A on a personal level.. Dont fuck with me and mine or I'll invade you with extreme pjreudice :Pokey:

[scumdog]

Earlier in the thread it was posted that the ute had been seen outside that address in the last day or two, despite police being told the person hasnt lived there for years. Ergo my statement that the driver still has SOMETHING to do with that house. Maybe he still lives there, maybe its his parents, who knows.. The ute was outside the house, which means the driver is still associated with it.

My point was either the person will be at the house, or the people at the house will know who he is, because his ute still goes there.

So is the ute going there regularly? or could it be he's dropping off the last of the money he owes when he bought it.

Or coming back to complain the ute is a piece of crap and he wants his money back?

Or actually visiting another house.

Or was he dropping off a hitchhiker who lived in the area.

Or was he casing one of the houses preparing to doing a burg.

Or was he stopping off to buy a 'tinnie'

Or is he a mate of the son of the person living there - and only known as Cyril to the son?

Or had the son taken the ute away to a party - and one of his party-going mates 'borrowed' it for an hour??

Facts first -acts later.

[scumdog]

I dont make a habit of beating up random teenage kids on motorbikes. I do however make a habit of using violence when anyone threatens or attacks my friends and family, and I dont fuck around with bitch slaps. If someone fucks with me and mine, I will retaliate, I will not play nice, and I will escalate the level of force used.

Think of me as the US of A on a personal level.. Dont fuck with me and mine or I'll invade you with extreme pjreudice :Pokey:

You ain't the US of A sonny and one day somebody will out-escalate your arse out of existence.:yes: :(

[Lias]

You ain't the US of A sonny and one day somebody will out-escalate your arse out of existence.:yes: :(
Anyone who thinks the are invincible is stupid. There are people are there smarter than I am, better armed than I am, better trained than I am, and yes oneday I might just butt heads with them. But it still doesnt change the way I am, fucking with my friends and family is a sure way to get me riled up.

[Nitzer]

Think of me as the US of A on a personal level..

....so nobody likes you and you are unpopular then?

[Wolf]

Years ago i was on a GT50 (only thing I could afford at the time) dickhead in a Morris 1100 jammed on the brakes in front of me without signalling, I evaded as I had plenty of room but I gave a blast on the horn as a "watch out!" alert. Turned out the driver was wearing a Mongrel Mob patch and he chased me up the road, into a side street and attempted to ram me off the road as I entered a corner.

I braked hard, he shot past and I did a U-turn and got the Hell outta Dodge - didn't stop for rego or anything, just focussed on using every last bit of manoeuvrabilty and whatever speed that little bike was capable of to loose the bloke - He was turning his car around as I fled the scene. Managed to lose myself up a couple of streets and waited until it seemed safe to continue my ride home.

Now, from reading some of the posts, I see the gang member was justified in attempting to kill me (or at least assault me with a lethal weapon) because I was totally in the wrong for beeping my horn at him and it's an offense deserving of murder.

Grow up some of you cocks! What some of you are saying is that you believe that assault is justified after being beeped at - pretty much the same mentality as the wanker who assaulted hXc.

A horn is a warning device to call attention to other drivers who do not seem to have realised you're there. We're always being told it is not for tooting out to people we know (causing annoyance to others) and now you're saying that using it as a warning signal is "wrong" and deserving of being roughed up.

Might as well rip the horns out of all vehicles as they force people to behave in a violent fashion. Bad boys, hXc and me, forcing normally calm and law abiding citizens to commit acts of violence as we have!

A few weeks ago I was behind some boi racers who decided that pulling a rakey in the middle of the lane was a cool thing to do. The retardmobile slithered all over the lane, into a side road and they did a "sustained loss of traction" U-turn and lurched towards the road they'd just left.

I had already braked and reduced speed and when I saw there was a risk that they would come flying back into the lane I crossed the centreline into the empty on-coming lane to buy myself manoeuvring room should I need it and I carried on past. Gee, I guess I'm lucky as my irresponsible behaviour in daring to pass these idiots somehow failed to force them into acts of violence against me, but I'm so glad to learn from this thread that passing some young hoons who're acting like idiots is "irresponsible" and "bringing things upon myself".

Nice also to learn that being assaulted by someone twice your mass is insignificant and it only counts if both occupants of the cage beat you up. I'm sure that's a great relief to everyone.

Fuck sakes, some of you. A fellow biker was beaten up and you get dicks posting that he deserved it and brought it on himself "because he passed them" or "beeped his horn".

I do not agree with the calls for vengeance and vigilantism in this thread but I also disagree with people being so quick to put the blame on hXc - the police and the cock that beat him up have done enough of that without the members of his own community joining in - it's not like he monoed past them screaming "I'm gonna kill every last muthfuckin' one o' ya!"

BTW, I've had the pleasure of meeting hXc, Yungatart and MSTRS and they're great people. hXc is way too cheeky to his parents to be a "mummy's boy" - quite a mature, capable and bright young man - brighter than some 19-year-olds on this site, I might add.

hXc, sorry to hear what happened, I can well imagine how you must have felt. It's not acceptable what the wanker did.

Yungatart and MSTRS, hXc is blessed to have parents like you.

Arohanui, guys.

[MSTRS]

Thanks Wolf, most eloquently and succinctly put. Your ability to cut through the chaff, and to ignore the 'advice' that some have given, is a thing of awe to me.
Verily you are a prince among men.
That said, fuck you're good, man. We get redded for 'defending' our lad...hope you don't...but a green on account from me.

[DMNTD]

...but a green on account from me.
Ditto...well put indeed sir,not only that 100% true IMO.

[Fatjim]

So is the ute going there regularly? or could it be he's dropping off the last of the money he owes when he bought it.

Or coming back to complain the ute is a piece of crap and he wants his money back?

Or actually visiting another house.

Or was he dropping off a hitchhiker who lived in the area.

Or was he casing one of the houses preparing to doing a burg.

Or was he stopping off to buy a 'tinnie'

Or is he a mate of the son of the person living there - and only known as Cyril to the son?

Or had the son taken the ute away to a party - and one of his party-going mates 'borrowed' it for an hour??

Facts first -acts later.

Well you'd think a copper with half a brain could figure this one out eventualy.

Wadda you think?

[Fatjim]

Interesting story now....
Many years ago a biker in New Plymouth had been drinking at his local just down the road from the copshop. He decided he had had too much to ride, so to avoid the temptation he walked down to said copshop and handed them his keys. The pricks then locked him up for being drunk in charge.
The next week he was again over what he considered his limit and, remembering his abysmal treatment, decided to just ride home.
He met two cars drag-racing and presumably was not quick enough in his reactions to avoid them.
Yes, he was killed.
The cops are NOT your friend

As you get older you tend to get more mature. When I was young, I acted in a youthful manner. I hated authority, and would rark those in authority up as much as I could, although I had a knack of not stepping too far over the line (most times).

Now I reached what I consider my prime (rubs tummy and grins) I now longer feel the same way. That youthful exuberance has now been replaced by the leasons learns in the last 30 cough cough years.

You can't TRUST those in authority, the key word here is trust. I wasn't raped by a priest, or locked up for a crime I didn't commit. But plenty of people are.

Now before people blurt out the usual drivel that all cops aren't bad (I've said it myself because I met a good one once), do you want to take the chance.

Remember, the system sucks, and if you happen to be in the right, then a dodgy copper will screw you everytime.

[scumdog]

Well you'd think a copper with half a brain could figure this one out eventualy.

Wadda you think?


Got it!!

All of the above - especially the last four words.

And regarding your last post - amazing how some people are 'professional victims' at getting screwed over by authority - and others never have a real run in with authority in their lives??

[hXc]

I feel this is appropriate to post. It was my PM to Wolf, explaining a couple of things. I don't care what the people mentioned think, or the mods either. Because quite frankly, these people are full of their own shit and need to be told to shut the fuck up.

Hey, thanks for all the nice comments mate. I've basically stopped posting in there because it fucks me off to know that people are standing up for a criminal, while a perfectly innocent man is being told that he's a criminal. I'm sure you know who those people are, and that they are full of shit.

R6_Kid and Lias are the one's who are really fucking me off. R6, because of his comments about waiting until I have a bike powerful enough to get me out of trouble, because if I wanted to, I could have easily avoided being hit, if I had known they were going to hit me. On a bike, it's not always about power, more so about tactics. I would have thought he would have known that it's not possible to tell if someone will take offence to a warning signal until after it's happened.

Next time someone looks like they're gunna thump me or whatever, I won't stop and I will do anything possible to defend my rights as an innocent motorist. If that involves speeding, foot paths or other peoples property etc then so be it. I will not stop; I have learnt that much. But I will also toot my horn at them if they are deserving of it. As you said, a horn is a warning signal - a warning to get off the fucking road is included in that.

And Lias because of his constant 'revenge' bullshit. I will not be doing anything to him or his property/vehicle. I will be looking out and maybe occasionally going past his residence, but doing nothing to harm him. If he wants to play 'chase the biker' if he sees me, then I will defend myself. If he or his car get hurt in the process then that's not my problem. But I will not go out of my way to seek revenge.

Thanks mate
Zac


I think people here need to learn to stop spouting shit. A fellow biker was attacked and you are standing up for the attacker. Grow up or shut the fuck up, because most people don't care.

[yungatart]

I think people here need to learn to stop spouting shit. A fellow biker was attacked and you are standing up for the attacker. Grow up or shut the fuck up, because most people don't care.

Most people do care, mate. Don't let a few idiots get to you, they really are not worth your time or trouble.

[jonbuoy]

The problem is - none of us were there and not everyone here knows you or what your like as people, but you put a post on a public website and all people do is put accross their personal opinion. So I think you gotta accept not everyone is going to agree 100% with you. Right or wrong. Some people will just play devils advocate from time to time. This is the same thing you would face if this went before a jury in court, it would get put down to 50/50 - which is why the police can't do much.

[sunhuntin]

I think people here need to learn to stop spouting shit. A fellow biker was attacked and you are standing up for the attacker. Grow up or shut the fuck up, because most people don't care.

hey kiddo...most of these guys are bark and no bite....talk big but thats all it is. wolf typed well, and i will be greening him...out of what? 9 pages? he seems to be the only one who spoke true.

i got tailgated big time yesterday...we both wound up at the same place. i wrote her a note and gave it to her daughter...thats what got me the most...i display an l plate, she tailgates and has two young kids in the car learning its ok to sit on a learners ass [ok, so im not a learner, just too lazy to upgrade, lol]

revenge is not ours to take, we must rely on the law to do it for us. that doesnt often happen, unfortunately. but in your words, you are a bigger man than most here....a lot of kids your age would go in guns blazing ready to kill whoever...you are taking it, learning from it and moving on.

ride safe dude...you seem like a level headed guy, id love the chance to meet you and your folks one day.

[Wolf]

you put a post on a public website and all people do is put accross their personal opinion.
...
Some people will just play devils advocate from time to time.

Yeah, well, there's "opinion" and "playing devil's advocate" and then there's comments like:


if hxc was to take a good hard look at himself he may see that somtimes ya just gotta tuck yer head in and get on with it instead of trying to be a smartarse and dont go running to mummy when it all turns to shit

and this one:


but if you are young and in a vulnerable situation (eg riding a bike and not very well built yourself) then it normally pays to just go on your way without being the 'big man' and looking disagreeingly at other road users because of their actions.

from a 19-year-old PFY whose sig and profile are full of "don't fuck with me" shit - both saying it was his fault for provoking the attacker as well as comments like:


Its not like both guys jumped out and gave him a good kicking.

that suggests being walloped by someone twice your mass is trivial and not worth being concerned about...

Really, who can be surprised that the cops didn't give a shit and the retard in the car thinks beating up someone who passed/beeped-at them is acceptable when there are those here who seem to to think that "road rage" is both perfectly acceptable and the recipient's fault.

I'm looking forward to the day when certain people here post that they were cut off and beaten up by someone and how much of a bitch it was that they got no redress.

[Squeak the Rat]

I wasn't there and don't know the full story either except as told by hXc & family. Nor have I read the whole thread but feel compelled to reply based on the last few comments.

Why should I disbelieve what I'm told? Mate, no one deserves to be assaulted because of road rage. IF there is more to it than that then your conscience will do its job of hassling you, I aint going to do that on the off chance.

Here's a little saying - "I refuse to sanction that negative affirmation" which is new-age hippy speak for "I hear what you say but its crap so i'm not going to let it negatively affect me".

Maybe what some people are saying is that some dickheads do react in violent ways to some things and it might be in your best interests to avoid antagonising these arsewipes. Better to be wrong than dead right.

Having said that it is interesting that time and cost go into prosecuting for dangerous driving someone based on a phone call from a granny. But revenge is dumb, it corrupts you. Leave it to Karma - they are scum and will lead scum lives.

I'm recovering from a head injumury and have had my first beer since, so not sure if this made sense so feel free to abuse.

StR

[jonbuoy]

You've taken my quote out of context - previous posts were talking about revenge - home made explosives and petrol bombs - you think thats a reasonable response to what happened?

I have been involved in road rage in the past - and everytime I have, I know I could have avoided it. Like I already said we weren't there at the time so I don't know if it could have been in this case - but you can't ask for peoples opinions (isn't that what posting on a site like this is about?) and then tell people to shut the fuck up because you don't agree with them.

[Fatjim]

amazing how some people are 'professional victims' at getting screwed over by authority - and others never have a real run in with authority in their lives??

Are you saying there's not arsehole coppers out there? Are you saying the system works for the innocent? I don't think so.

[Wolf]

You've taken my quote out of context - previous posts were talking about revenge - home made explosives and petrol bombs - you think thats a reasonable response to what happened?
If that is the case then I apologise, but I took your comment as minimising the assault - which I perceive the cops he dealt with have done enought of, lately.

Your comment, seen in that light, does beg the question as to whether you think that both of them kicking the crap out of him would justify fire bombs etc....

As I said in my initial post: I do not condone the idea of vigilantism/revenge, but nor do I condone the automatic assumption of some that hXc "asked for it" by "being a smartarse" and "trying to be the big man".

Shit, I've been abused for cock-headed things i've done on the road through being inattentive (as they were) - and I'm talking obscenities, obscene gestures, horns and personal insults, here - and my instinct was not to attempt to kill the person who had colourfully pointed out that I had fucked up big-time.

"Road Rage" is like "sexual molestation" - a concept dreamed up by the legal system to minimise what happened by avoiding the real terms like "assault with a lethal weapon" or "rape".

[jonbuoy]

If that is the case then I apologise, but I took your comment as minimising the assault - which I perceive the cops he dealt with have done enought of, lately.

Your comment, seen in that light, does beg the question as to whether you think that both of them kicking the crap out of him would justify fire bombs etc....

As I said in my initial post: I do not condone the idea of vigilantism/revenge, but nor do I condone the automatic assumption of some that hXc "asked for it" by "being a smartarse" and "trying to be the big man".

Shit, I've been abused for cock-headed things i've done on the road through being inattentive (as they were) - and I'm talking obscenities, obscene gestures, horns and personal insults, here - and my instinct was not to attempt to kill the person who had colourfully pointed out that I had fucked up big-time.

"Road Rage" is like "sexual molestation" - a concept dreamed up by the legal system to minimise what happened by avoiding the real terms like "assault with a lethal weapon" or "rape".

No need to appologies mate, I can see any involved personally would be a bit wound up about the whole thing. No I wouldn't consider petrol bombs as reasonable retaliation - hell there could be kids in the house!
I guess what I'm trying to say is that it could've been worse - there are some people out there who will go way over what reasonable people think is acceptable - prisons are full of them. Unfortunately they are not all in prison and some of them are cruising around our roads. You can spot most of them when your out in public - on the roads its not so easy.

[Edbear]

Thanks Wolf, most eloquently and succinctly put. Your ability to cut through the chaff, and to ignore the 'advice' that some have given, is a thing of awe to me.
Verily you are a prince among men.
That said, fuck you're good, man. We get redded for 'defending' our lad...hope you don't...but a green on account from me.




Now don't go givin' 'im a swelled head...!


Mind you, 'e does get straight to the point at times, eh?

[Edbear]

Years ago i was on a GT50...etc.




"You must spread...." Mutter, mutter! I thought I'd been "spreading" quite a bit lately...!:(