North Korea

[Crasherfromwayback]

Has anyone been reading up on what's going down over there?!
Do you think Uncle Sam could/would get involved in another offensive whilst they're so engaged elsewhere?

Is it purely 'sabre rattling' on North Koreas part?

Bit scary I think.

[Sniper]

Last I heard, it had been going on for a few years. Im sure someone somewhere has got an eye on it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Last I heard, it had been going on for a few years. Im sure someone somewhere has got an eye on it.

For sure, cept now NK are stating they're about to teast a nuke armed missile. Even their only 'Buddies' China are starting to freak.

[Monorail]

yea it is pretty odd. hell, there even gone test them in NK rather than unpopulated island in the middle of the pacific. Everyone is worried radiation will penetrate the border!

[Sniper]

For sure, cept now NK are stating they're about to teast a nuke armed missile. Even their only 'Buddies' China are starting to freak.

They have been sending rockets out to see for years as well as hinting they have nuclear capability. Im sure the UN would have done something by now. Like Hans Blix :lol:

[James Deuce]

"Two steps to the left prease"

[Colapop]

It's so heartening to see we still have megalomaniacal despots in the world today. With the sad and untimely passing of such greats as Adolf Hitler & Idi Amin and the capture of Saddam Hussein, I was starting to get worried that the world might be becoming a safer place. Thankfully G Dubya is here to save us!

[onearmedbandit]

But Sniper this a planned nuclear test, a little different to firing off a couple of rockets and hinting that you have nuclear technology.

[Sniper]

But Sniper this a planned nuclear test, a little different to firing off a couple of rockets and hinting that you have nuclear technology.

Yea, thats true. I just went and read about it and realised I was thinking of something different :slap:

[The Pastor]

I don't see why america is in charge here, differnt country.

I guess they do have a point in wich they don't want to die...... but I don't think america can decide on who gets nukes or not.

[jeremysprite]

( ) North Korea ^ Triton Missile ( O ) North Korea, no Pyongyang.
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Problem:Solved.

[jeremysprite]

stupid thing. don't auto adjust to the left!

[onearmedbandit]

I don't see why america is in charge here, differnt country.

I guess they do have a point in wich they don't want to die...... but I don't think america can decide on who gets nukes or not.

Um dude, it's not America on its own, it is basically the entire world community, including NK's closest ally China (albeit in a quiet voice), who are calling for NK to abandon the test. But if you want to sling mud go for it.

[The Pastor]

But where do other countries get off telling other countires how they think they should govern?

Yes the word holocast does spring to mind..... actually thats a good point...

[Sniper]

But where do other countries get off telling other countires how they think they should govern?


When they try prevent another world war is when Im happy for them to do it.

[onearmedbandit]

But where do other countries get off telling other countires how they think they should govern?

Yes the word holocast does spring to mind..... actually thats a good point...

It's called 'the world community' rm. Just like if you live in a peaceful neighbourhood, the odd late party and occassional flare up which is resolved, then the neighbours down the street start flaring up big time, and developing methods of destroying your property, eventually testing one of these methods in the back yard to show how they are not to be fucked with. I'm sure most here wouldn't tolerate this.

[SARGE]

shit ..kick the tires and light the fires man .. lets just get it over with .. we got 20 year old nukes that are going to waste ...


they have a shelf life ya know ...

[Jantar]

shit ..kick the tires and light the fires man .. lets just get it over with .. we got 20 year old nukes that are going to waste ...


they have a shelf life ya know ...

As I recall the old Titan with its single 40 MT warhead was designed for just this purpose. The target is under a mountain, lets just move the mountain. :yes:

[Winston001]

Has anyone been reading up on what's going down over there?!
Do you think Uncle Sam could/would get involved in another offensive whilst they're so engaged elsewhere?

Is it purely 'sabre rattling' on North Koreas part?

Bit scary I think.

Largely sabre rattling. North Korea has paranoid leaders with delusions of grandeur. They want the world to take notice of them and the ultimate way is develop a nuclear bomb.

There is every chance they have developed this bomb, and worryingly, will test it. Quite what the world does about it is another matter. Does the UN have the stomach to approve an international invasion to disarm them? Somehow I doubt it. The USA? Perhaps, but they really have enough on their plate with Iraq and Afghanistan.

While developing a nuclear bomb (which is an expensive process), North Korea's people have faced famines. Various aid agencies have delivered food to NK. Something out of kilter here.........

[James Deuce]

While developing a nuclear bomb (which is an expensive process), North Korea's people have faced famines. Various aid agencies have delivered food to NK. Something out of kilter here.........

The UN should be invading to feed a brainwashed populace. Should have done it 20 years ago.

[Sniper]

The UN council is a bunch of Pansies IMO. Always talking about doing something, yet never actually doing it and then condeming a country that actually does it.

Kind of like our govt...

[Jamezo]

Pyongyang is obviously afraid for its security, they see a nuclear deterrent as the only way to gaurantee that they won't be invaded.

The sad thing is, nuclear deterrents largely work. And this is why nuclear weapons increase a nation's defensive AND offensive power, even if the weapon itself is never used: The threat of a nuke provides an umbrella from which conventional attacks can be launched with (for the most part) impunity.

So it is quite easy to see why those interested in the stability of the region see the development of these weapons as a critical threat, just by virtue of their existence. There is much posturing as to whether North Korea would ever be so insane as to use them, but that is actually a side issue.

[Finn]

The Koreans behold a weapon much worse than nuclear and it inflicts much pain and suffering to the civilised world. The Hyosung.

They should be stopped.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Largely sabre rattling. North Korea has paranoid leaders with delusions of grandeur. They want the world to take notice of them and the ultimate way is develop a nuclear bomb.

There is every chance they have developed this bomb, and worryingly, will test it.

Quite possibly the case, like I asked when I started this thread. But when your 'sabre rattling' involves 'test firing' long range missiles and you aim them so they land not far from Hawaii (presumably to show Uncle Sam "We can reach you"), you've gotta ask yourself....?

Should one of their missiles that's carrying a nasty payload 'malfunction' (which they've been known to do) and go astray....what then?

I guess you 'nip it in the bud'.

As much flak as the US of A gets, someone's gotta be the 'world police', else we'd have fuckhead power tripers like this clown going awol.

I simply pity the people of NK...true to all previous communist regimes, they're fed only what 'their leader' wants and allows them to hear.

Sad.

[jrandom]

I hope they let it off this weekend, preferably somewhere close by so I can watch. Not too close by, obviously. But, say, if China and NK wanted to start nuking each other, you know, I'd be cool with that.

My favourite thing about nukes is the way John Kennedy Toole had his black characters in New Orleans pronounce the phrase.

Nucular bum.

[Winston001]

Quite possibly the case, like I asked when I started this thread. But when your 'sabre rattling' involves 'test firing' long range missiles and you aim them so they land not far from Hawaii (presumably to show Uncle Sam "We can reach you"), you've gotta ask yourself....?

Didn't realise the NKs had long-range missiles. Not that it matters. The main fear is for short-range Western countries such as South Korea and Japan.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Didn't realise the NKs had long-range missiles. Not that it matters. The main fear is for short-range Western countries such as South Korea and Japan.

Yeah well...I think the main fear is that you just never know what a freak like their 'Great Leader' will do full stop.
Anyone that'd let the majority of 'his people' starve while he spends millions on missiles and living the 'high life' (Western Style and tastes no less) is not well and needs to be 'removed'.
Perhaps instead of making a huge mess a-la Iraq they simply have him assassinated. Mind you, no guarantee that the next up to the plate wouldn't be just as bad.

Worth a 'shot' though!

[xwhatsit]

Bah. So what if they have nukes? Doesn't anybody else find it exceedingly hypocritical that the USA is trying to stop anybody from having nukes/big guns when they have themselves?

It's also worth noting that the USA is the only country to use a nuclear bomb in battle... and they didn't only use it in battle, they used it on civilians. Why the fuck should we trust them to police nuclear proliferation?

I, for one, do not think that NK would be crazy enough to actually nuke anyone. They'd get wiped off the map in the resulting carnage. USA, on the other hand...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bah. So what if they have nukes? Doesn't anybody else find it exceedingly hypocritical that the USA is trying to stop anybody from having nukes/big guns when they have themselves?

It's also worth noting that the USA is the only country to use a nuclear bomb in battle... and they didn't only use it in battle, they used it on civilians.I, for one, do not think that NK would be crazy enough to actually nuke anyone. They'd get wiped off the map in the resulting carnage. USA, on the other hand...

The first and only time they've used them, and in doing so, they saved a lot more lives than they took. I don't think it's all that hypocritical....some countries are simply not stable enough to have access to such destruction.

Do you not think if Iran had them they'd not unleash them on Israel?

Do you think the Japanese would've dropped a few on the Allies had they beaten the Americans to it? The Germans?....it was all out World at war man.

I think it was a terrible thing, and the loss of life and resulting carnage was pretty horrific....but it was I believe, for the best when you look at the other possible outcomes for WW2

[Lou Girardin]

When one small country ruled by a paranoid schizophrenic is threatened by a large country ruled by an insane religeous fundamentalist, don't you think they'd be all too keen to get nukes as soon as possible?
If Saddam had nukes he'd still be in Iraq giving Bush the finger.
Still, it's funny how the Merkins aren't so worried about Pakistans nuclear arsenal. Have they thought of the consequences of a coup by Islamic fundamentalists in that country?

[Winston001]

Still, it's funny how the Merkins aren't so worried about Pakistans nuclear arsenal. Have they thought of the consequences of a coup by Islamic fundamentalists in that country?

Well said Lou and here is a discussion paper - http://www.isis-online.org/publications/terrorism/pakassist.html

It seems that the threat exists in most nuclear nations - either from thieves or political changes - but I also think it is fair to recognise that NK is a current and completely unpredictable threat.

[James Deuce]

Apparently Nth Korea are about to announce that their Nuke test was successful.

[Quasievil]

I think the KB mods should go over there , we will sought them out........infract the fuckers !!!!!!!!


:calm:

[ManDownUnder]

Apparently Nth Korea are about to announce that their Nuke test was successful.



From CNN.com

SEOUL, South Korea (AP)-- North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported Monday the country has performed a successful nuclear test.
South Korean government officials also said North Korea performed its first nuclear test, the South's Yonhap news agency reported
According to KCNA, there was no radioactive leakage from the site.
South Korean officials could not immediately confirm the Yonhap report.
South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun convened an urgent meeting of security advisers over the issue, Yonhap reported.
The North said last week it would conduct a nuclear test as part of its deterrent against a possible U.S. invasion.
The report of the test came as Japan's new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe arrived in Seoul for meetings with President Roh Moo-hyun to address the nuclear issue as well as address strains in relations between the two countries over territorial and historical disputes.
North Korea accused rival South Korea on Monday of committing a serious provocation by firing warning shots during a weekend incident in which the South says soldiers from the communist North crossed over their border.
The border shooting came Saturday. South Korean soldiers rattled off about 40 warning shots after a group of five North Korean troops crossed into the southern side of the no-man's-land separating the divided Korean peninsula, South Korea said.
No one was hurt in the incident.

[SARGE]

I think the KB mods should go over there , we will sought them out........infract the fuckers !!!!!!!!


:calm:




ooooooo.. take me with ya ..i havnt fired a shot in anger in DAYS






i mean YEARS!!!..... :whistle:


personally... im with Lou on this one ... let them have nukes ...










one warhead at a time ....

[ManDownUnder]

I was raised on the "one warning - wham" system.

One warning then Wham.

Don't eat those biscuits... then if you did it again - "smack" - no extra warning given, but an explanation of why you were smacked.

North Korea. Dismantle your nuke facilities before then end of the week or we start to level them....

... tick tick tick...

[Lias]

Strangely enough I just watched the new Behind Enemy Lines 2: Axis of Evil movie, and its all about NK and nukes.

[Sniper]

Somone with a plane and a loadmaster able to drop me over NK, I'll fix this rubbish and be home in time for Family guy





Strangely enough I just watched the new Behind Enemy Lines 2: Axis of Evil movie, and its all about NK and nukes.

Downloaded?

[slimjim]

:jerry: yup north korea went and tested it's first nuke, now it's gona get good ,:2thumbsup wonder who's gona play now :Playnice: :spanking:

[Finn]

Somone with a plane and a loadmaster able to drop me over NK, I'll fix this rubbish and be home in time for Family guy

Sniper against a nuke? Superman has some competition.

[MattRSK]

<img src="http://www.buckfush.com/images/North_Korean_Army_Officers.jpg">

[sAsLEX]

Downloaded?

No he paid for it!

Damn you ask some stupid questions. Movie was a bit of bollox along the lines of the thousands of rounds of ammo the seal team must of had...... but involved a nuke deep in NK being deep 6ed by the merikans

[James Deuce]

If I was NK I wouldn't be worried about GWB.

I'd be shitting myself about the fact that Japan and China concluded their first successful joint summit in 15 years and both agreed to strongly object to NK testing nukes and intercede when they feel they need to. Japan has its first PM born after WWII. He's not carrying the baggage that all the previous post-war Japanese political leaders have.

The Japanese Navy is fairly damn potent now, much better equipped than China's.

Combine that with a red wave of Chinese troops from the Nth and we'll have cheap Korean prostitutes in Tokyo before Christmas.

There's a fair few rounds flying across the 49th parallel too.

[onearmedbandit]

we'll have cheap Korean prostitutes in Tokyo before Christmas.




Just how cheap are you talking?

[boomer]

Just how cheap are you talking?

Don't fret oab.. you'll get a portion :wari:

[doc]

Sniper against a nuke? Superman has some competition.
Sniper for GOD'S sake "getsome" advice from Sarge before you go .One bit of advice that springs to mind is Don't lick the frost ...

[oldrider]

I don't see why america is in charge here, differnt country.
I don't think america can decide on who gets nukes or not.

But that's why they got theirs first, "so that they could decide" who gets the next one and "how"! (like as an unwanted gift or not)

Now they have pussy footed around appeasing the dogooders far too long and lost their advantage! (he who hesitates is lost!)

Unfortunately we will "all" reap the benefit of that folly. :( John.

[Lias]

Downloaded?

Absolutely not! I dont care for your insuations one little bit.

I copied it off my mate who downloaded it!:jerry:

[SARGE]

Sniper for GOD'S sake "getsome" advice from Sarge before you go .One bit of advice that springs to mind is Don't lick the frost ...



nah man .. im no where near as hard as Sniper ....25 years later im not as lean and mean..still a Marine though..


i just look forward to the next few days to see how this plays out and who the players turn out to be ..

the US is overcommited right now .. granted .. the NK's know this ..that is why they can rattle the saber like they are..

maybe we can get the Amish on this

[sAsLEX]

the US is overcommited right now .. granted .. the NK's know this ..that is why they can rattle the saber like they are..

pissing off china aint a smart move, kinda like that american trying to fight the huge russian boxer no chance

[SARGE]

pissing off china aint a smart move, kinda like that american trying to fight the huge russian boxer no chance



my pops favorite saying is ..


'aint the size of the dog in the fight .. its the size of the fight in the dog...'


worst ass kicking ive ever been handed was by this little tiny Mexican .. he was hitting me like he had 14 hands.

[sAsLEX]

its the size of the fight in the dog...'

he was hitting me like he had 14 hands.

A billion people have a lot of hands.

[Sniper]

nah man .. im no where near as hard as Sniper ....25 years later im not as lean and mean..still a Marine though..

You're harder and a fuck load more sensible


Sniper for GOD'S sake "getsome" advice from Sarge before you go .One bit of advice that springs to mind is Don't lick the frost ...

Kind of like, never eat anything you cant pronounse or thats colour doesnt boil out of it when sitting in a billy for 10 minutes.

[SARGE]

You're harder and a fuck load more sensible



nah .,, im a big softie.. just like a teddy bear .....

[Matt Bleck]

http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11965-6413327,00.html

:corn: :corn:

[Lou Girardin]

The bottom line is that no-one is going to take on a country with nukes. Which is the whole Nth Korean point.
Iran is watching and learning.
Well done Gearge Dubya, your 'wild west' style of foreign policy is certainly making the world safer.

[Grumpy Gnomb]

Find it interesting that the UN can do something quickly in resolutions against North Korea but when it comes to people staving and getting killed they drag their feet. Sounds very two faced to me

[Indiana_Jones]

It just seems to me that North Korea and namely Kim Jong Il have given the world 'the bird'

......you know, the finger?


But he better watch out, cause the UN are sure to send him another letter telling him how upset they are!

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

The bottom line is that no-one is going to take on a country with nukes. Which is the whole Nth Korean point.
Iran is watching and learning.
Well done Gearge Dubya, your 'wild west' style of foreign policy is certainly making the world safer.

I don't think you could pin that on Bush. Better then bowing down to Kim Jong like Cilton did.

They were gonna get/make a nuke no matter what, cause they know the UN won't do shit :baby:

-Indy

[jonbuoy]

The bottom line is that no-one is going to take on a country with nukes. Which is the whole Nth Korean point.
Iran is watching and learning.
Well done Gearge Dubya, your 'wild west' style of foreign policy is certainly making the world safer.

Yes its all George Bushes fault Lou. Weren't you bitching about the US invading Iraq BEFORE they had WOMD - Like Nukes?? Maybe we should have waited till they had them too - or left it till they could of bought a couple of the North Koreans.

[James Deuce]

Yes its all George Bushes fault Lou. Weren't you bitching about the US invading Iraq BEFORE they had WOMD - Like Nukes?? Maybe we should have waited till they had them too - or left it till they could of bought a couple of the North Koreans.
No, that wasn't the point at all.

Iraq didn't have them, didn't have the infrastructure to develop them, and UN weapons inspectors failed to find any evidence of them in 10 years.

Iraq was invaded because of 9/11 BECAUSE no one could find any evidence of WOMD, but the US needed to remove its ex-Ally from power in Iraq to pursue the agenda of making sure there was an oil rich Middle Eastern state that they owned.

The Korean issue isn't vaguely the same.

I'm disturbed that the UN or the US haven't invaded Nth Korea purely on the premise of 1 million people in labour camps and about a million dying in poverty a year.

The UN and the US seem to turn a blind eye to injustice, genocide, and outright insanity.

Oh yeah, that's right. No oil in Nth Korea, Rwanda, or Bosnia. They did get involved in Bosnia, but that was a token effort and only because they are white Europeans.

[jonbuoy]

No, that wasn't the point at all.

Iraq didn't have them, didn't have the infrastructure to develop them, and UN weapons inspectors failed to find any evidence of them in 10 years.

Iraq was invaded because of 9/11 BECAUSE no one could find any evidence of WOMD, but the US needed to remove its ex-Ally from power in Iraq to pursue the agenda of making sure there was an oil rich Middle Eastern state that they owned.

The Korean issue isn't vaguely the same.

I'm disturbed that the UN or the US haven't invaded Nth Korea purely on the premise of 1 million people in labour camps and about a million dying in poverty a year.

The UN and the US seem to turn a blind eye to injustice, genocide, and outright insanity.

Oh yeah, that's right. No oil in Nth Korea, Rwanda, or Bosnia. They did get involved in Bosnia, but that was a token effort and only because they are white Europeans.


Exactly my point - So why blame America for what North Korea are up to?

[Winston001]

Iraq was invaded because of 9/11 BECAUSE no one could find any evidence of WOMD, but the US needed to remove its ex-Ally from power in Iraq to pursue the agenda of making sure there was an oil rich Middle Eastern state that they owned.

The Korean issue isn't vaguely the same.

I'm disturbed that the UN or the US haven't invaded Nth Korea purely on the premise of 1 million people in labour camps and about a million dying in poverty a year.

The UN and the US seem to turn a blind eye to injustice, genocide, and outright insanity.

Oh yeah, that's right. No oil in Nth Korea, Rwanda, or Bosnia. They did get involved in Bosnia, but that was a token effort and only because they are white Europeans.

Well said Jim2. However I don't think the UN or the USA turn a blind eye to the bad stuff, but rather the USA has it's political priorities and the UN is a weak talkfest. There are a helleva lot of fires to fight in the world if every repressive regime was taken on. Having said that, I think the UN should move in force to stop repression but until we have a permanent international police/army organisation, it'll be left largely to the Americans by default.

And just why is that? Most of the Western world's population and a good part of its wealth is outside the USA. Why should the Yanks be looked to for an effective military force?

Bosnia is a case in point. The French, Belgians, Germans, Dutch, and English faffed around half heartedly for 6 years in the Balkans while the Serbs and Bosnians committed genocide. Finally the Yanks had enough, committed forces and peace broke out in about 18 months.

[Indiana_Jones]

The western world will try to go through the procedures, but one man won't......


<img src="http://www.dvdheaven.co.kr/goods_image/Beverly%20Hills%20Cop.jpg">

AXEL FOLEY

-Indy

[jonbuoy]

Well said Jim2. However I don't think the UN or the USA turn a blind eye to the bad stuff, but rather the USA has it's political priorities and the UN is a weak talkfest. There are a helleva lot of fires to fight in the world if every repressive regime was taken on. Having said that, I think the UN should move in force to stop repression but until we have a permanent international police/army organisation, it'll be left largely to the Americans by default.

And just why is that? Most of the Western world's population and a good part of its wealth is outside the USA. Why should the Yanks be looked to for an effective military force?

Bosnia is a case in point. The French, Belgians, Germans, Dutch, and English faffed around half heartedly for 6 years in the Balkans while the Serbs and Bosnians committed genocide. Finally the Yanks had enough, committed forces and peace broke out in about 18 months.

They did their best, with the UN tying their hands behind their backs. The US alone has more clout and influence with the UN that any of the rest put together. British troops are still there now.

[Korea]

About time I stepped in, with my take from where I'm standing in S.Korea.

Firstly, the nuclear testing is all just political buggary-bollocks in a heated round of poker-faced bluffing between N.Korea and the US and possibly Japan. There is no threat to S.Korea. The S.Korean Roh administration maintains that the way to opening up N.Korea is through diplomacy.

Conversely, the US have preached 'carrot and stick' pollicies with N.Korea but are increasingly using more 'stick' and reneging on the 'carrots'; some of these carrots include incompleted light-water reactors for stable electricity (promised last millenium from previous non-proliferation treaties), lifting of economic sanctions, and financial aid.
I believe this is why N.Korea wants to engage in one-to-one (or Unilateral) talks with the US - "So you want us to stop the arms race? Well where are our promised gearz?" that's the real issue at hand but the US is making out like there are other issues that require 6-way talks (China, Russia, N.Korea, S.Korea, Japan, and the USA).

George Bush's refusal to have unilateral talks with N.Korea is exacerbating the situation. What is he afraid of? Well, he might have to follow-through on the promises that have been reneged on. Therefore the Bush administration continues to push the 6-party talks.

Bush's policies towards N.Korea have exacerbated the situation, but really this rhetoric has been going on (and off) for over 10 years since N.Korea first started their long-range missile programs (once again for bargaining leverage).

The reason behind the nuclear testing: another wildcard in the ongoing poker game between the US and N.Korea.
Bush is basically getting nowhere with his hard-line attitude and N.Korea is waving two fingers in their direction.

A respected authority on the subject had this to say:
"I think Kim Jong Ill has them all by the balls.
I venture to suggest that what he exploded was just a conventional bunch of bombz. It was too puny to be a nuclear device."
More poker-faced bluffing perhaps?

I'm not pro-N.Korea, but as I am living in S.Korea I do know the situation. We may see how it pans out over the next couple of months, but at this stage it is just another attention-getting device from an increasingly beligerant child.

I'm interested to see how this talk-show pans out. :jerry:

[James Deuce]

Well said Jim2. However I don't think the UN or the USA turn a blind eye to the bad stuff, but rather the USA has it's political priorities and the UN is a weak talkfest. There are a helleva lot of fires to fight in the world if every repressive regime was taken on. Having said that, I think the UN should move in force to stop repression but until we have a permanent international police/army organisation, it'll be left largely to the Americans by default.

And just why is that? Most of the Western world's population and a good part of its wealth is outside the USA. Why should the Yanks be looked to for an effective military force?

Bosnia is a case in point. The French, Belgians, Germans, Dutch, and English faffed around half heartedly for 6 years in the Balkans while the Serbs and Bosnians committed genocide. Finally the Yanks had enough, committed forces and peace broke out in about 18 months.

All good points, except the one about wealth. The US control and comsume 80% of the world's resource. Good on them for establishing a position of military and economic power.

The US action in Bosnia was very limited compared to potential capability, and don't forget the US didn't pay UN fees for nearly 2 decades resulting in a vast hole in budget for the UN. The US effectively denied the UN capability and then blamed them for the outcome.

[Korea]

The long range missile tests include:
- a 1998 test firing that flew over Japan and landed in the ocean.
- this year's most recent tests involving 7 missiles, including one long-range missile, that landed in the East Sea / Sea of Japan (between the Korean penisula and Japan). One missile that exploded shortly after launch.

There have been no missiles exploded near Hawaii or any other US territory. Current estimates say that their long range missiles could barely reach the coast of the United States.

The bomb that was tested in N.Korea was estimated to carry a similar payload or less as that dropped on Hiroshima. It would weigh about 4 tons and the North currently doesn't have any long-range missiles that could carry this sort of payload.

In short: Kim Jong Il is all fart and no shit.

[NighthawkNZ]

The UN should be invading to feed a brainwashed populace. Should have done it 20 years ago.

The UN is a toothless and clawless tiger :Pokey:

[Wellyman]

Yea, I have been watchin it very closely. from what it says in the paper, all I can figure out that out of all the nukes we have got, we still have enough to blow us to hell and back, and that aint the start of it.
WM

[Lou Girardin]

Yes its all George Bushes fault Lou. Weren't you bitching about the US invading Iraq BEFORE they had WOMD - Like Nukes?? Maybe we should have waited till they had them too - or left it till they could of bought a couple of the North Koreans.
Iraq had no chance of developing nukes in our lifetime, don't believe US bullshit. The invasion merely spurred Nth Korea on to get theirs active.
Besides, the Nth Koreans and China have kicked the UN's arse once already.

[Maha]

Should be vaporised, Ka Farken' Boom.....end of story.....:mad:

[The Stranger]

I don't see why america is in charge here

Simple to understand really. Most and biggest guns.
Pretty well makes them in charge.

[sAsLEX]

Simple to understand really. Most and biggest guns.
Pretty well makes them in charge.

They are suffering pretty bad from huge budget cuts and being spread pretty thin due to the whole Iraq thing, sand wrecks equipment pretty quick

[The Stranger]

They are suffering pretty bad from huge budget cuts and being spread pretty thin due to the whole Iraq thing, sand wrecks equipment pretty quick

Now is the time!!!

We will send our air farce in to destroy them, then we can tell everyone what to do...

[The Pastor]

Simple to understand really. Most and biggest guns.
Pretty well makes them in charge.

my point (however not well thought out) was why should they have a say in how another country runs.

I answerd it myself a few posts later.

[Kyle]

Bah, you all watch too much news, they always hype it up. Like when i stupidly passed an ambulance with its flashing lights going, in a clear and empty lane, on a 4 lane highway with center barrier, the news paper said i pulled out into oncoming traffic to do the pass, just to hype it up. If you ask me its better to not even watch the news, worry about it if the sky goes black, overwise make the most of living in loverly peaceful NZ. :cool:

[Winston001]

Firstly, the nuclear testing is all just political buggary-bollocks in a heated round of poker-faced bluffing between N.Korea and the US and possibly Japan. There is no threat to S.Korea. The S.Korean Roh administration maintains that the way to opening up N.Korea is through diplomacy.

Conversely, the US have preached 'carrot and stick' pollicies with N.Korea but are increasingly using more 'stick' and reneging on the 'carrots'; some of these carrots include incompleted light-water reactors for stable electricity (promised last millenium from previous non-proliferation treaties), lifting of economic sanctions, and financial aid.

Bush's policies towards N.Korea have exacerbated the situation, but really this rhetoric has been going on (and off) for over 10 years since N.Korea first started their long-range missile programs (once again for bargaining leverage).

The reason behind the nuclear testing: another wildcard in the ongoing poker game between the US and N.Korea.

I'm not pro-N.Korea, but as I am living in S.Korea I do know the situation. We may see how it pans out over the next couple of months, but at this stage it is just another attention-getting device from an increasingly beligerant child.


Interesting to hear your views. Really, the political conflict has been going on since the Korean War in 1951. Yes, countries (not just the USA) did agree to supply stuff to NK in the 1990s but on the basis that reforms were instituted and weapons development stopped. In other words, spend money on your people, not missiles.

East Germany, Romania, Hungary etc were all totalitarian communist regimes until 1989. Their people finally revolted and everything changed. The people of NK must be pretty desperate by now so there is a chance revolution could happen there. The difference though is the spectre of Communist China which has a protective arm around NK.

[lb99]

in yesterdays press

[Brian d marge]

The long range missile tests include:
- a 1998 test firing that flew over Japan and landed in the ocean.
- this year's most recent tests involving 7 missiles, including one long-range missile, that landed in the East Sea / Sea of Japan (between the Korean penisula and Japan). One missile that exploded shortly after launch.

There have been no missiles exploded near Hawaii or any other US territory. Current estimates say that their long range missiles could barely reach the coast of the United States.

The bomb that was tested in N.Korea was estimated to carry a similar payload or less as that dropped on Hiroshima. It would weigh about 4 tons and the North currently doesn't have any long-range missiles that could carry this sort of payload.

In short: Kim Jong Il is all fart and no shit.

Well those missiles are comming awful close to me .. This sabre rattling while it isnt worring me , is getting a bit louder , and there does seem to be a continuousness about this development ... I havent heard much on the news ,,, but they are trying to pull the heartstrings of the people here by showing programs about starving children on the streets of nth korea

I will be watching the situation with a bit more interest in the future ,,,,

Stephen

[Indiana_Jones]

East Germany, Romania, Hungary etc were all totalitarian communist regimes until 1989. Their people finally revolted and everything changed. The people of NK must be pretty desperate by now so there is a chance revolution could happen there. The difference though is the spectre of Communist China which has a protective arm around NK.

And what better way to incite a revolution then to place more US and UN troops on the 38th parallel and somehow (very tricky) to get China and everyone else to cease trading with NK, blockcade them.

The people over there are already starving, they're gonna get pretty pissed pretty quickly, but it could go both ways, they could win, or they could get horribly crushed.

Even if they started, then everyone else could go in, like they should of done in Iraq in 91', but no the UN said stop, and 10,000's of Iraqies died because of it, the US should of gone in.

............:jerry:

-Indy