scratcha - What does your avatar mean? [Archive]

duncan_bayne

10th October 2006, 13:24

Ah. Now THAT'S one I like the look of. :love:
So you must ride a Jawa (http://jawaczregister.org/gallery.php) then, or maybe an IZH (http://www.autosoviet.altervista.org/ENGLISH-automotorusse9Moto(izh).htm)?

I mean, I'm presuming that someone with such a love for the hammer & sickle would spurn bikes produced by the Evil Capitalists (TM) :banana:

Ixion

10th October 2006, 13:27

Not at all. Our intention is not to spurn such things. You are confusing Communists and Amish. Our intention is to take them over.

EDIT: Though I did once own a Jawa. Noisiest motorcycle ever.

duncan_bayne

10th October 2006, 13:32

Not at all. Our intention is not to spurn such things. You are confusing Communists and Amish. Our intention is to take them over.

Actually, Communist and Amish lifestyles are quite similar ... it seems to take the Communists about fifty years to bungle their way through destroying industry, science, power generation, etc.

At least the Amish (unlike the North Koreans) have meat to eat and milk to drink :whistle:

McJim

10th October 2006, 13:33

I suspect Scracha may be taking the piss with his avatar and not actually making a statement of his own beliefs.

Remember that the Swastika is in fact a benign Indian good fortune symbol.

The cricifix is symbolic of a bloody inhumane way to kill people and yet is treated as a benign symbol....

If this was a such a burning issue for you shouldn't you perhaps have flicked him a PM instead of starting a thread while he's absent? Hasn't been online since 2:10pm yesterday.

And at least spell his forum name correctly! :rofl:

Sniper

10th October 2006, 13:37

Remember that the Swastika is in fact a benign Indian good fortune symbol.

It dates back a lot longer than that matey. Used to be a religious symbol until Hitler altered it into the one we know today

jetboy

10th October 2006, 13:39

It dates back a lot longer than that matey. Used to be a religious symbol until Hitler altered it into the one we know today

Yeah its Ancient Chinese I believe, and used to spin the other way...

Sniper

10th October 2006, 13:40

Yeah its Ancient Chinese I believe, and used to spin the other way...

I think so, Wiki knows better than I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

McJim

10th October 2006, 13:43

It dates back a lot longer than that matey. Used to be a religious symbol until Hitler altered it into the one we know today

You've confused me bud. My statement referred to it's existence before Auld Adolf Dafttash got hold of it.

So you're effectively backing up what I've said in the tone of someone correcting me.

No wonder south Africans are an argumentative bunch - they sound like their arguing with you when they agree! :killingme:

We're not here to argue it's specific origins but to state that it is not particular to Nazi tendancies.

Also the Nazi party origins are as the National Socialist Workers Party...i.e. a lefty organisation - so communism and fascism aren't poles apart as some would have you believe!

Jonathan

10th October 2006, 13:43

Used a lot in Buddhism, can spin either way. Buddhism originated in India and spread to the rest of Asia. Been used independently by other cultures as well I believe.

Sniper

10th October 2006, 13:44

No wonder south Africans are an argumentative bunch - they sound like their arguing with you when they agree! :killingme:

Im not arguing, Im forcefully adding my opinon to yours in a round about sense.

I have added the link to Wiki

duncan_bayne

10th October 2006, 13:46

No wonder south Africans are an argumentative bunch - they sound like their arguing with you when they agree! :killingme:

Afrikaans is the best language for angry music, ever. In fact, I find myself humming this song every time I see a Police car when I'm out riding ... you don't need to know the language (I only know a few phrases) to get the gist ...

Fokofpolisiekar - Fokofpolisiekar.mp3 (http://images.mweb.co.za/cms/21017/fokofpolisiekar_fokofpolisiekar.mp3)

duncan_bayne

10th October 2006, 13:50

Legend, thanks :devil2:

We could make this the official KB anthem :cool:

McJim

10th October 2006, 13:51

Afrikaans is the best language for angry music, ever. In fact, I find myself humming this song every time I see a Police car when I'm out riding ... you don't need to know the language (I only know a few phrases) to get the gist ...

Fokofpolisiekar - Fokofpolisiekar.mp3 (http://images.mweb.co.za/cms/21017/fokofpolisiekar_fokofpolisiekar.mp3)

Ohhh - I think we could try to contest that! Ever heard an angry Glaswegian?

I propose we definately get some Afrikaaners and Glaswegians together for a piss up and abuse hurling/singing contest - If I can't drum up enough Glesga boys I'll have to open it up to the other scots - like Scracha, F/F, The Dover etc.

hmm interesting idea.

Sniper

10th October 2006, 13:52

Ohhh - I think we could try to contest that! Ever heard an angry Glaswegian?

I propose we definately get some Afrikaaners and Glaswegians together for a piss up and abuse hurling/singing contest - If I can't drum up enough Glesga boys I'll have to open it up to the other scots - like Scracha, The Dover etc.

hmm interesting idea.

Nah, Glaswegians can fight well and drink well, but there is no way they can hurl insults as well as a pissed afrikaaner.

jetboy

10th October 2006, 14:04

Nah, Glaswegians can fight well and drink well, but there is no way they can hurl insults as well as a pissed afrikaaner.

...and then there's the Dutch :stoogie: :headbang:

scumdog

10th October 2006, 14:14

Nah, Glaswegians can fight well and drink well, but there is no way they can hurl insults as well as a pissed afrikaaner.

Ony cos ya cannay unnerstan whit th' Glaswegian haverin' aboot when he's awa in fu' sang.

Sniper

10th October 2006, 14:15

...and then there's the Dutch :stoogie: :headbang:

Even they pale in comparison

sAsLEX

10th October 2006, 14:39

I don't actually think New Zealanders really care too much about our flag. Maybe the older generations.

ON the Northern Motorway works at the moment there is a digger that has a reasonable sized NZ flag displayed most days atop one of its things!

I prefer the white ensign though.
<img src=http://www.mch.govt.nz/nzflag/images/nz-waren1.gif>

scumdog

10th October 2006, 14:43

ON the Northern Motorway works at the moment there is a digger that has a reasonable sized NZ flag displayed most days atop one of its things!

I prefer the white ensign though.
<img src=http://www.mch.govt.nz/nzflag/images/nz-waren1.gif>

I had mine flying yesterday - until the wind did a Hone Heke on it!!:(

All fixed now and bigger than ever. (as I tell all the girls)

sAsLEX

10th October 2006, 14:47

I had mine flying yesterday - until the wind did a Hone Heke on it!!:(

All fixed now and bigger than ever. (as I tell all the girls)

And its always a good idea when travelling to have a NZ flag/Kiwi/All Black shirt in sight lest you get mistaken as an US citizen.........

LilSel

10th October 2006, 15:39

And its always a good idea when travelling to have a NZ flag/Kiwi/All Black shirt in sight lest you get mistaken as an US citizen.........

Been advised to wear our NZ uniforms at all times when in public in Argentina and Venezuela when we go in a few weeks so that we dont get mistaken... A little worried due to whats goin on there at the mo... maybe i'm just being a big :baby: !! lol

I just finished reading that Wikipedia thing on the swastika... interesting!!

Steam

10th October 2006, 15:53

And its always a good idea when travelling to have a NZ flag/Kiwi/All Black shirt in sight lest you get mistaken as an US citizen.........

Sure is. When I was in Indonesia, they were all like "you a fucking american man?" and when I said I was a Kiwi they were much friendlier, although still disliked us for going into East Timor.
When I was in Jakarta there were quite a few guys around with Osama T-shirts, or pictures of the trade centre burning. Full on hardcore wannabe militants, and nobody gave them a second glance.

duncan_bayne

10th October 2006, 15:58

Sure is. When I was in Indonesia, they were all like "you a fucking american man?"

Huh, I hadn't realised that racism was so common in Indonesia.

... and when I said I was a Kiwi they were much friendlier, although still disliked us for going into East Timor. When I was in Jakarta there were quite a few guys around with Osama T-shirts, or pictures of the trade centre burning. Full on hardcore wannabe militants, and nobody gave them a second glance.

Remind me to wear one of my shirts (http://www.cafepress.com/infidelgear) the next time I'm over that way. I mean, Islam is a religion of peace, I'd be perfectly safe, right? :hug:

dawnrazor

10th October 2006, 16:01

I'm a little confused by your avatar image ...
Are you some kind of neo-NAZI?

Ya think it might be a visual metaphor for the state of American politics under Herr Bush Jnr?

After all facism and capitalism are seperated by the finest of lines, and the US government has been guilty of blurring them somewhat in the recent past.

Na wait a minute that can't be right - your NEO-NAZI accusation must be it!

LilSel

10th October 2006, 16:03

"you a fucking american man?" and when I said I was a Kiwi they were much friendlier

Happened when in Korea too :Pokey:

If only everyone could :Playnice: huh...

McJim

10th October 2006, 16:05

Huh, I hadn't realised that racism was so common in Indonesia.

Racism is rife the world over - only white people are allowed to be accused of it though.

Everyone else gets to call it "positive discrimination" hah!

Steam

10th October 2006, 16:08

Huh, I hadn't realised that racism was so common in Indonesia.

Dude, it's everywhere. I wasn't allowed into the main city mosque but I guess I was just a nosy backpacker. I washed and everything, but then some guy with a gun came and said No.

Treating other races as your own is a western idea. When I was in China (the democratic Taiwan, not dictatorship mainland China) they openly said in discussions about race; "Well of course we are superior, we are Chinese, but we don't tell the waigoren (foreigners) we think that".
Massively arrogant. If a caucasian behaved in the same way as the people I saw there, they'd be instantly be branded as some sort of white supremacist.

duncan_bayne

10th October 2006, 16:10

Ya think it might be a visual metaphor for the state of American politics under Herr Bush Jnr?

After all facism and capitalism are seperated by the finest of lines, and the US government has been guilty of blurring them somewhat in the recent past.

Na wait a minute that can't be right - your NEO-NAZI thing must be right!

In fact, laissez-faire capitalism and fascism are poles apart. For a detailed treatment of the subject, check out The Economics of Fascism (http://www.mises.org/media.aspx?action=category&ID=82).

Basically it boils down to this: under laissez-faire capitalism, the Government has no control over the lives of individuals or the actions of companies, except to the extent of enforcing laws that prevent harm to others (say, fraudulent advertising, harmful pollution, etc.)

Under a fascist Government, individuals and businesses are regulated by the Government for the benefit of the Government (usually described as "for the common good"); e.g. in Hitler's Germany, truck manufacturers were financially disadvantaged by being forced to make tanks instead of trucks.

If you were to accurately characterise the Bush administration, it would best be described as socialist & corporatist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism), perhaps with fascist leanings. (Of course, fascism is a subset of socialism, but that's another discussion entirely.)

Steam

10th October 2006, 16:13

We are going to get told off for taking the discussion off topic soon. It's all very interesting though!

duncan_bayne

10th October 2006, 16:16

If a caucasian behaved in the same way as the people I saw there, they'd be instantly be branded as some sort of white supremacist.

Hmmm ... the trick is not to conflate race and culture.

Race is a biological thing, something over which you have no choice, therefore it is outside the scope of morality. One is born a member of one or more races, & that's that.

Philosophy, like religion, is a matter of choice. So it's perfectly valid to judge & compare the morality of different philosophies. People don't choose the colour of their skin, but people do choose whether to walk around bearing the likeness of Osama Bin Laden or Che Guevara.

Steam

10th October 2006, 16:22

Hmm... good distinctions. Welcome to the site Duncan, you sound like an interesting fellow.

dawnrazor

10th October 2006, 16:23

In fact, laissez-faire capitalism and fascism are poles apart. For a detailed treatment of the subject, check out The Economics of Fascism (http://www.mises.org/media.aspx?action=category&ID=82).

Basically it boils down to this: under laissez-faire capitalism, the Government has no control over the lives of individuals or the actions of companies, except to the extent of enforcing laws that prevent harm to others (say, fraudulent advertising, harmful pollution, etc.)

Under a fascist Government, individuals and businesses are regulated by the Government for the benefit of the Government (usually described as "for the common good"); e.g. in Hitler's Germany, truck manufacturers were financially disadvantaged by being forced to make tanks instead of trucks.

If you were to accurately characterise the Bush administration, it would best be described as socialist & corporatist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism), perhaps with fascist leanings. (Of course, fascism is a subset of socialism, but that's another discussion entirely.)

So by poles apart, do you mean diametrically upposed 'cus I'm sorry if we are only talking about the american version of capitalism then that is not the case, all they are doing is giving the impression of free choice, the end results are all to often the same.

But hey thanks for the lecture.

Swoop

10th October 2006, 16:28

I was always of the belief that the swastika that the nazis uesd was of Norwegian origin, but reversed by hitler to their own "trademark" design.

duncan_bayne

10th October 2006, 16:30

So by poles apart, do you mean diametrically upposed 'cus I'm sorry if we are only talking about the american version of capitalism then that is not the case, all they are doing is giving the impression of free choice, the end results are all to often the same.
Yes, diametrically. However what is practiced in America today (& likewise the rest of the world) is not laissez-faire capitalism.

Hence my term 'fascist leanings' - weasel words perhaps, but one has to remember that there is a distinction between an avowedly fascist Government (say, Mussolini's Italy or Roosevelt's USA) and one that merely has some of the hallmarks (say, Bush's USA).

America today is still, to most extents, the freest country in the world. It is gradually becoming less so, but it still has a long way to slide before one is murdered for speaking out against the President (Mussolini's Italy), and before one is prohibited from economic competition (Roosevelt's USA).

But hey thanks for the lecture.
Hehe, there I go again assuming that everyone has the same interests as me ... :spanking: I guess not everyone listens to hour-long economics lectures out of interest ... although I'd be willing to bet they're popular with insomniacs.

dawnrazor

10th October 2006, 16:36

Hehe, there I go again assuming that everyone has the same interests as me ... :spanking: I guess not everyone listens to hour-long economics lectures out of interest ... although I'd be willing to bet they're popular with insomniacs.

Ah humour is the bane of our existance

McJim

10th October 2006, 16:41

Skyryder

10th October 2006, 16:44

It dates back a lot longer than that matey. Used to be a religious symbol until Hitler altered it into the one we know today

The swastika has been in use for about three thousand years. There are two types. One that represents evil and the opposing swastika that represents good. When together they are in balance. It is interesting that the National Socialists (Nazi) picked the swastika that represented evil. (But since the Nazis use of the swastika, some people are trying to differentiate the two meanings of the swastika by varying its direction - trying to make the clockwise, Nazi version of the swastika mean hate and death while the counter-clockwise version would hold the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck.)

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

In English it is called a fylefot

If memory serves me correctly I think if was Joseph Goebbals who first thought of using the swastika emblam. Just not sure on that.

Skyryder

scracha

10th October 2006, 18:59

Soooooo...Getting this thing back on topic. What is Scracha trying to say with his avatar?

Scracha, have you switched yer pc on yet?

Could be the chemicals from the refinery farked with his brain - I've seen the place where he grew up....:rofl:

Duncan - you might want to PM him after all - this thread may fall asleep before Scracha gets here.

Sorry chaps...been STUPIDLY busy....even had a bloody muckintosh laptop to fix. I wondered how long it'd take before someone spotted my new avator.

So how do you keep an idiot in suspense anyway?

The_Dover

10th October 2006, 19:10

I dunno, but I'm waiting to find out.

SlashWylde

10th October 2006, 19:14

Huh, I hadn't realised that racism was so common in Indonesia.

Racisim is common every where. It's a basic human trait. Bit of a shock to most white folk when they first get a taste of it.

Harry33

10th October 2006, 19:15

I dunno, but I'm waiting to find out.

The village was wondering where he went. lol :P

The_Dover

10th October 2006, 19:19

I haven't got all night dude.

Magua

10th October 2006, 19:38

SOmething along these lines I'd think.

scracha

10th October 2006, 20:06

SOmething along these lines I'd think.

Pretty much. The way things are going countries like Iran will have more "freedom" than the UK or USA.

Only a matter of time before this shite (http://www.no2id.net/) arrives here. If I'm ever stoopid enough to go back I reckon I'll be greeted by "papers please".

scumdog

10th October 2006, 20:11

At least in NZ we have no freedom left anyway......

duncan_bayne

10th October 2006, 20:14

Pretty much. The way things are going countries like Iran will have more "freedom" than the UK or USA.
Given that one of my best friends fled Iran with his family as a child due to religious persecution, I'm quite keen to hear your evidence for that statement ...

Only a matter of time before this shite (http://www.no2id.net/) arrives here. If I'm ever stoopid enough to go back I reckon I'll be greeted by "papers please".
I'll grant you, that's not a good thing.

But this is old news, really ... this is just a (potentially) more efficient version of the Social Security Number system - when that was created, politicians promised that it would never be used as an ID system.

The main problem with US politics is the dominance of the two-party system (as it is here in NZ). A U.S. political commentator once wrote that he couldn't be a Democrat, as he wanted to spend his own money, and he couldn't be a Republican, as he wanted to spend it on drugs & women.