$70 ex gst Websites

[Monorail]

Me yet again.
Decided to go for the web design business. I need to build up a small portfolio so that when i approach people I've got something to show them. Therefore I am offering web sites to be created for $70 excluding GST. This is for a website similar to www.matt.nick-b.net. So if you keen pm or post here. There is only going to be a small number created at this price and it'll be on a first in first serve basis. I've got one project yet to complete (my own), but as soon as that's done I'll begin on anyone who applied

[Monorail]

n seriousposts yet:crybaby:

[2much]

n seriousposts yet:crybaby:

Sorry bro. Hit up Jono at Barmuda in Rotovegas... I know he was looking for something a little while ago.

[Monorail]

Sorry bro. Hit up Jono at Barmuda in Rotovegas... I know he was looking for something a little while ago.

any contact details for him like an email address?

[MattRSK]

I have a few photos of me and some chick that I wouldnt mind making a website out off. Could do it on commision. Charge $4.95 memberships or something.

[2much]

had a card but dunno what i've done with it. ask on the roto thread, one of the alcholics on there will probably know or can get it for you

[Monorail]

I have a few photos of me and some chick that I wouldnt mind making a website out off. Could do it on commision. Charge $4.95 memberships or something.

you could indeed. u'd provbably get sued by the other party however

[Colapop]

Keep at it. You may not get the hits you require here. How about getting someone to host a self-advertising web site show casing your design? Chuck some flyers up round the place (even at the supermarket) ring radio stations, run around naked (with advertising in selected locations), do something that'll get you free advertising on TV (create some sort of world record attempt for something stupid) in short do whatever you can get to get noticed. And keep at it.

[Monorail]

run around naked (

best advice i've ever heard lol

[TerminalAddict]

I can hook you up with pretty cheap hosting

[Monorail]

I can hook you up with pretty cheap hosting

i'm thnking about getting a reseller account. that way i can provide hosting to the clients

[TerminalAddict]

yup .. I can give you one of those .. who have you looked at?

[Monorail]

yup .. I can give you one of those .. who have you looked at?

a couple of american sites and one nz site. affordablehosting.co.nz

[TerminalAddict]

http://www.mypanel.co.nz

for further info contact work@fuckyouyoufuckingfuck.co.nz
(I just enjoy typing it :D )

[Monorail]

http://www.mypanel.co.nz

for further info contact work@fuckyouyoufuckingfuck.co.nz
(I just enjoy typing it :D )

lmao. what are the types of pricing. I'm a bit tired so can you just put it staright. webspace. bandwith. cost.
Cheers,
MAtt

[TerminalAddict]

interspeed.co.nz has pricing and shit there.

The resellers get accounts at $10, and can charge what ever they like :D

traffic is hardly ever audited :)

[R6_kid]

How extensive are your photoshop/image manipulation skills? And how much back support are you offering once the website is online (updating etc)?

[Monorail]

How extensive are your photoshop/image manipulation skills? And how much back support are you offering once the website is online (updating etc)?

pretty good eh. got photoshop at school. it's on my to buy list when i actually get a couple of customers. I got gimp at him so croping, resizing, grayscaling, tranparency etc etc is all good.
I'm more than happy to keep updating the site for a nominal charge

[MSTRS]

A point that no-one has mentioned...you say $70 excluding GST...unless you register with IRD, you can not add or include GST. And unless you are turning over more than $30,000pa, there is no requirement to register. Until you have to, the onerous paperwork every 2 or 6 months is just a pain. Besides, who would willingly be a tax collecter who does not get paid for doing the job?

[Monorail]

A point that no-one has mentioned...you say $70 excluding GST...unless you register with IRD, you can not add or include GST. And unless you are turning over more than $30,000pa, there is no requirement to register. Until you have to, the onerous paperwork every 2 or 6 months is just a pain. Besides, who would willingly be a tax collecter who does not get paid for doing the job?

Hi, I am planning to register for GST as because I am not sure how many sales I am going to have, but am going to have numerous expenses I've decided to register voluntarily. That way, if i go bust, i haven't lost as much money as I can claim gst on all equipment and software etc

[MSTRS]

Hi, I am planning to register for GST as because I am not sure how many sales I am going to have, but am going to have numerous expenses I've decided to register voluntarily. That way, if i go bust, i haven't lost as much money as I can claim gst on all equipment and software etc

Fair enough. As long as your eyes are open.

[Monorail]

Fair enough. As long as your eyes are open.

thanks for the concern though:yes:

[TerminalAddict]

Hi, I am planning to register for GST as because I am not sure how many sales I am going to have, but am going to have numerous expenses I've decided to register voluntarily. That way, if i go bust, i haven't lost as much money as I can claim gst on all equipment and software etc

and if you go bust or decide not trade anymore you have to pay all the gst back on all equipment and software etc

[Ixion]

No, that is not correct.

If you are registered for GST and wish to cancel the registration (typically because you have ceased trading) you must pay GST on the DISPOSAL VALUE of any assets remaining (assuming that the disposal value is a fair market price) . (I think you may be able to elect to account based on book value instaead, not sure about that)

So if you go bust or stop trading you can either
a)sell any business assets, pay GST on the proceeds of the sale
b) keep the assets and account for their value in GST inputs.
c) Simply NOT cancel the GST registration (typically, you may keep it up because you might want to resume tarding in the future) , and file a zero return each period.

Any rate, you DON'T have to repay all the GST you've claimed. But, remember, if you are registered for GST you will have to PAY GST on all you business revenue.

[Monorail]

No, that is not correct.

If you are registered for GST and wish to cancel the registration (typically because you have ceased trading) you must pay GST on the DISPOSAL VALUE of any assets remaining (assuming that the disposal value is a fair market price) . (I think you may be able to elect to account based on book value instaead, not sure about that)

So if you go bust or stop trading you can either
a)sell any business assets, pay GST on the proceeds of the sale
b) keep the assets and account for their value in GST inputs.
c) Simply NOT cancel the GST registration (typically, you may keep it up because you might want to resume tarding in the future) , and file a zero return each period.

Any rate, you DON'T have to repay all the GST you've claimed. But, remember, if you are registered for GST you will have to PAY GST on all you business revenue.

exactly. and it will be a bit that i save in the end. so hey.

[mstriumph]

you could indeed. u'd provbably get sued by the other party however unless she's paris hilton ....... in which case she'll hit you for a cut of the profits .. :yes:

[Busy]

You are finding it hard to start out now, so to earn 30k a year (minimum) is going to take a lot of work, but even so you can only claim a percentage, like 10% of a pc is $100 (if it was a grand), it's not worth it as you also have to pay PAYE and ACC and other crap no matter how much you earn.

You can claim a bit of your home (if you work from home) but as you wont have any overheads the claiming gst idea is a start up one only and you will find it is actually costing you.

I do web design (more database design) from home, my accountant runs my business at a loss (like most small businesses) and am not GST registered. Talk to an accountant, there are more perks at running the business at a loss than being GST registered.

To get a portfolio, do some freebies, go to local companies and offer them a site (try keep them small) and this will help you two fold, one it will give you a portfolio (and teach you dealing with customers) and two will get you more work as the biggest assest you will have is word of mouth.

Web design is more than photoshop, tablets ... all you need is a plain jane pc (ideally using dialup) and notepad (to create the sites), use w3c.org to validate your work, psp is good enough to create eye candy and there are heaps of free ware aps out there to make your life easier (ifranview is one I use a lot)

For webhosting, NZ is way over priced, I pay $10 US a month for 1 gig of space (reseller account) and although my main work is not web design I do it and offer hosting (from $10 nz a month or $100 a year up front) for friends and times those prices by 5 for customers.

Make yourself up a business plan, run it past an accountant for input, if you dont like what they say get a second opinion. Don't try run before you can walk ... take advantage of those training wheels.
Good luck

[Monorail]

You are finding it hard to start out now, so to earn 30k a year (minimum) is going to take a lot of work, but even so you can only claim a percentage, like 10% of a pc is $100 (if it was a grand), it's not worth it as you also have to pay PAYE and ACC and other crap no matter how much you earn.

You can claim a bit of your home (if you work from home) but as you wont have any overheads the claiming gst idea is a start up one only and you will find it is actually costing you.

I do web design (more database design) from home, my accountant runs my business at a loss (like most small businesses) and am not GST registered. Talk to an accountant, there are more perks at running the business at a loss than being GST registered.

To get a portfolio, do some freebies, go to local companies and offer them a site (try keep them small) and this will help you two fold, one it will give you a portfolio (and teach you dealing with customers) and two will get you more work as the biggest assest you will have is word of mouth.

Web design is more than photoshop, tablets ... all you need is a plain jane pc (ideally using dialup) and notepad (to create the sites), use w3c.org to validate your work, psp is good enough to create eye candy and there are heaps of free ware aps out there to make your life easier (ifranview is one I use a lot)

For webhosting, NZ is way over priced, I pay $10 US a month for 1 gig of space (reseller account) and although my main work is not web design I do it and offer hosting (from $10 nz a month or $100 a year up front) for friends and times those prices by 5 for customers.

Make yourself up a business plan, run it past an accountant for input, if you dont like what they say get a second opinion. Don't try run before you can walk ... take advantage of those training wheels.
Good luck

will keep that in mind, but seeing as it is only a small after school business I dont think much of that is going to apply to me.

[SPORK]

Ok, no offence meant, but your design skills, as seen from that sample site you showed, seem to be pretty uh, poor. I'm not claiming I'm the best, because I know I'm far from it, but I think you should do some reading about good design.

Start by reading sites like www.alistapart.com , www.stylegala.com and such.

I'd also suggest learning how to code to current standards as well. Learn how to code in advanced CSS and such.

As for needing a portfolio, before we had a portfolio a friend and I managed to secure a client or two. www.llc.co.nz was one of them. We're two 16/17 year old kids, so it's not like you need to be old or anything.

But anyway, what I'm trying to say is that just do a bit of reading up and practice first.

[Monorail]

Ok, no offence meant, but your design skills, as seen from that sample site you showed, seem to be pretty uh, poor. I'm not claiming I'm the best, because I know I'm far from it, but I think you should do some reading about good design.



s'all good man. I think i'm gonna focus on web hosting, and offer web design at the same time.

[John Banks]

Web design is 80% artistic ability. The skills you really need to polish up on are design and graphics if you want to stand out. I'd suggest taking a couple of graphic design classes if you can... though I don't think that would really be necessary.

My best suggestion I can give you is to get an A3 scrapbook, a box of pencils and a ruler. Make your website on paper, then use The Gimp and notepad to turn it into a website. Don't start on the PC, it just gets in your way.

[Monorail]

Web design is 80% artistic ability. The skills you really need to polish up on are design and graphics if you want to stand out. I'd suggest taking a couple of graphic design classes if you can... though I don't think that would really be necessary.

My best suggestion I can give you is to get an A3 scrapbook, a box of pencils and a ruler. Make your website on paper, then use The Gimp and notepad to turn it into a website. Don't start on the PC, it just gets in your way.

not a bad idea.

[SPORK]

not a bad idea.
And untill then, I suggest you do some good sites for free, because frankly I don't think that a site like that one you posted is worth $70 (plus GST, apparently)

[Ixion]

What was wrong with it? (Question, not a clop)

Seemed OK to me. Everything worked, simple, straightforward. No flashy shit to slow things down or break, everything worked in Firefox, it was easy and intuative to navigate. Nothing complicated . sort I of site I like to go to

Bearing in mind that $70 is only an hours chargeout, I don't reckon you can expect too much. I would want to design it code it test it in an hour.

[Biff]

Invest in a copy of Dreamweaver mate. It's a piece of pi$$ to use and makes your sites look like a pro designed them.

My copy cost me $4. I have my doubts whether it's an original......although it does say Macromedia on the case. I'm throwing it away tomorrow, because I felt guilty.

Tui Ad coming......

[SPORK]

What was wrong with it? (Question, not a clop)

Seemed OK to me. Everything worked, simple, straightforward. No flashy shit to slow things down or break, everything worked in Firefox, it was easy and intuative to navigate. Nothing complicated . sort I of site I like to go to

Bearing in mind that $70 is only an hours chargeout, I don't reckon you can expect too much. I would want to design it code it test it in an hour.
I was talking from a purely design perspective. It just has this incredible geocities vibe going on.

Biff - I've only had bad experiences with Dreamweaver. The code it spat out was incredibly clunky, and to do advanced stuff was next to impossible. But each to their own.

[TerminalAddict]

Bearing in mind that $70 is only an hours chargeout, I don't reckon you can expect too much. I would want to design it code it test it in an hour.

and here's the big gotcha

customers don't see websites in "the amount of time it took"
So charging by an hourly rate forces many customers to try it themselves.


I spend hours and hours and hours working with my sites, and they probably don't have that much value, but they are my sites, and its my time
For customers, I make very sure right at the begining that they will be charged by the hour, and if they don't pay, I spend the extra time and undo anything I have done.
10 years of this shit has taught me it is very easy to get ripped off as a software developer/ coder

The other less agressive path is to agree on a fixed price to start with, after spending lots of time clearly identifying the outcomes, and what will be delivered for that price, anything over and above the agree goals is charged at an hourly rate.

[Sketchy_Racer]

I recon that its just awesome that a young falla is getting out there and actually doing it!!

Its takes a lot of courage, and there will always be people that say na you wont be able to do it...

But stick at it and it will be all good!! ..

nice going Matt!!

[SPORK]

I recon that its just awesome that a young falla is getting out there and actually doing it!!

Its takes a lot of courage, and there will always be people that say na you wont be able to do it...

But stick at it and it will be all good!! ..

nice going Matt!!
Yeah, definately give it a go. If you keep plugging away at it it does work out. But I definately suggest reading up a bit first.

It took a while to get mine and my friends web company up, but we've made some good money off it and have a couple more projects in the works now.

(And RG, is it still awesome if that young falla is ME? Or am I still a tool?)

[Monorail]

I recon that its just awesome that a young falla is getting out there and actually doing it!!

Its takes a lot of courage, and there will always be people that say na you wont be able to do it...

But stick at it and it will be all good!! ..

nice going Matt!!

thanks man, it means a lot

[John Banks]

I'd just like to point out that the reason professional web developers charge $120/hour is because it only takes them a couple of hours to do the website. I know a professional webmistress who just takes a template, fills it out, and presto, a high quality website in half an hour.

[Monorail]

I'd just like to point out that the reason professional web developers charge $120/hour is because it only takes them a couple of hours to do the website. I know a professional webmistress who just takes a template, fills it out, and presto, a high quality website in half an hour.

i got a couple of templates, but my app is a couple of years olds so i can't get any new ones. $400 for the latest additions.. usd

[John Banks]

i got a couple of templates, but my app is a couple of years olds so i can't get any new ones. $400 for the latest additions.. usd

A template that comes with the program is never going to do you any good. What I mean is she had pre-designed these herself, so she knew exactly what they did and could customise them in a flash.

[Monorail]

A template that comes with the program is never going to do you any good. What I mean is she had pre-designed these herself, so she knew exactly what they did and could customise them in a flash.

these aint too bad. 30 ea however http://estore.websitepros.com/nofshop/Detail.bok?no=503