Honda quitting ALL two strokes

[slowpoke]

Direct from www.mcnews.com.au:

"From the middle of next year Honda will no longer produce any two-stroke machines of any kind."

[Wenier]

Finally seen the light ay. Probably to do with emissions or something silly.

[SinstaNSR]

Finally seen the light ay. Probably to do with emissions or something silly.
I'd say definitly to do with emissions, as of a certain time to rego will be hard to get for them if they havent already got it. bloody shame. BASTARDS. does this include jetski's etc?

[Motu]

How many more times is this subject going to be posted new when it's been known about for months.

Not too many years ago Honda didn't produce ANY two strokes,they were never a 2 stroke producer and only made them to keep competitive.Now through regulations 4 strokes are competitive they can drop the evil 2 stroke.

[slowpoke]

How many more times is this subject going to be posted new when it's been known about for months.

Not too many years ago Honda didn't produce ANY two strokes,they were never a 2 stroke producer and only made them to keep competitive.Now through regulations 4 strokes are competitive they can drop the evil 2 stroke.

There has been lots said about their MX two strokes being put to death but this is the first anyone I've spoken to has seen what is close to a definitive use by date for ALL two strokes across the complete Honda range.

We aren't just talking competitive stuff but garden variety commuters etc as well.

[Motu]

But Honda commuters used to be all 4 strokes too - the C50,the CB's...Honda built their Empire on 4 stroke commuters.When the single speed scooter craze happened in the '80's they had to bring out 2 strokes to get the zip people wanted....scooters have moved on too.Honda have been in the 2 stroke market very reluctantly,it goes against everything the old guy stood for.

[jonbuoy]

I'd say definitly to do with emissions, as of a certain time to rego will be hard to get for them if they havent already got it. bloody shame. BASTARDS. does this include jetski's etc?

Heres hoping they incude jet skis, theyre a pain in the arse.

[sAsLEX]

Heres hoping they incude jet skis, theyre a pain in the arse.

What about lawn mowers? And chain saws?

[nudemetalz]

Hey, when Honda can build bikes like this 4-stroke 125 5-cylinder RC149 back in the '60s that pulls 20,000rpm, who needs 2-strokes !!!

[WRT]

Fark, that's a cool looking tacho! And is it just me or does that thing have a speedo drive but no speedo?

[Ixion]

I think that's the front brake cable.

[Dadpole]

Hey, when Honda can build bikes like this 4-stroke 125 5-cylinder RC149 back in the '60s that pulls 20,000rpm, who needs 2-strokes !!!

Was Honda's attempt to keep up with the Suzukis.

[nudemetalz]

It does look like the front brake cable as Ixion suggests.
No speedo, this was an out and out Grand-Prix racer - 38hp @ 20,500rpm could rev to 22,000rpm safely, 85kgs, 145mph top speed.

This was (and still does) where Honda excelled, max efficiency from 4-strokes.

[TLDV8]

Plenty of sound files in that link.

http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Sounds.htm

[nudemetalz]

Do visit that link, I've got it at home and been through it.
They don't make sounds like they used to, when the noise police didn't exist !!

[TLDV8]

Was Honda's attempt to keep up with the Suzukis.

Don't you mean,keep up with the MZ's disguised as Suzuki's thanks to Ernst Degner's defection to the West in 1961 :dodge: ...... of course the new found HP was handy for Hugh Anderson.

http://www.ozebook.com/handy.htm

http://www.suzukicycles.org/history/history_04-race-1960-1967.shtml

Suzuki RG500 = 2 x 250 MZ's

[mstriumph]

How many more times is this subject going to be posted new when it's been known about for months.

Not too many years ago Honda didn't produce ANY two strokes,they were never a 2 stroke producer and only made them to keep competitive.Now through regulations 4 strokes are competitive they can drop the evil 2 stroke.

you having a bad day? :hug:

*runs out to barn to tell the '73 cb350 that she doesn't exist .............*

[SPman]

Do visit that link, I've got it at home and been through it.
They don't make sounds like they used to, when the noise police didn't exist !!
And WHAT sounds..........even the 2 strokes didnt sound that bad - paticularly the little Yamaha 125 V4!

mind you - a CBR250RR with 4 into 4 megaphones would sound pretty good , I reckon. Someone did it in the UK a few years ago and got himself banned from all the tracks for excessive noise - 132db or something

[Timber020]

What about lawn mowers? And chain saws?

Its slowly catching up with saws, the new ones out suck, still 2 strokes but getting heavier, slower, less reliable and more expensive. It started some time back when they made anti tamper (ie cant properly make em sing) carbs, then more restrictive pipes. As it is every saw I buy automatically has a date with the dremel to increase its performance and longevity. But its getting crazy.

Going to miss the happy howl of the CR

[arj127]

become of the 125 and 250 GP bikes? Will they introduce 450cc 4 strokes into the 250 class like they did in MX. I think its sad the 2 strokers are fading away, really enjoy watching the 250 class in the NZ MX nationals, the awesome sound of the 2 stroke.

[Motig]

You'd be right Motu. Thats why they brought out the Elsinore (spelling?) range of motocross bikes out in the 70's/80's ?, their 4-strokes couldn't compete. The Elsinore might have been their first 2-stroke range (I stand to be corrected on that,just dredging the memory).
On the other hand I can also remember reading articles about the 2-stroke being the engine of the future with the new technology available today, and it wasn't that long ago.

[jtzzr]

I had a early 80`s cr 125 and that thing could move , fully rebuilt of course , damn I used to race cars going along the straight into Thames , and beat them and I was on the dirt , So long to fun things.:bye:

[Clivoris]

Heres hoping they incude jet skis, theyre a pain in the arse.

Ahh. I'm guessing that you haven't ridden one then. Incredible fun in the surf. Like putting surfing and motorcycling in a blender.

[Paulus]

I've had a lot of 2 stroke CRs over the years and I'll miss them. I can't believe that the small number of 2 stroke dirt bikes ridden for small numbers of hours (relatively) contribute more than the tiniest drop in the bucket (ocean even) to the global air pollution problem. A sad day.

["D" FZ1]

Yamaha have just released the 07 YZ's at a reduced price from 06. $9995.00 for a YZ125 & $10995.00 for a YZ250. They have no plans to drop them and are continuing to develop their two stroke range.

[Ixion]

So, what road going two strokes do they list ?

[nudemetalz]

I can't believe that the small number of 2 stroke dirt bikes ridden for small numbers of hours (relatively) contribute more than the tiniest drop in the bucket (ocean even) to the global air pollution problem. A sad day.

IMO, it's more about a clean, green marketing image.

[Ixion]

I've had a lot of 2 stroke CRs over the years and I'll miss them. I can't believe that the small number of 2 stroke dirt bikes ridden for small numbers of hours (relatively) contribute more than the tiniest drop in the bucket (ocean even) to the global air pollution problem. A sad day.

Hm. You haven't seen Petal at full chat, have you .

[TLDV8]

So, what road going two strokes do they list ?


Perhaps they could go and dust off all those old press tools and casting moulds out the back of the factory.

Make mine a TZ750 with lights thanks.