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Lias
20th October 2006, 12:34
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3834098a11,00.html

Fined drivers may be refunded
20 October 2006
By KAREN ARNOLD

Thousands of motorists fined for breaching bus and transit lane bylaws during the past three and a half years could be entitled to their money back because the infringement notices were unlawful.

The Government has changed the law but has refused to backdate it because, according to parliamentary documents obtained by The Southland Times, Cabinet ministers said they were against retrospective laws and didn't think many people would ask for their money back.

Even when Transit New Zealand, North Shore City Council, Auckland City Council and Manukau City Council stopped issuing tickets in December, some continued to patrol the lanes, pretending to still have enforcement authority.

The Times first became aware of the infringement notice botch-up when Transport Ministry principal adviser agency relations Hugh Hanna told delegates about it at the New Zealand Parking Association conference in Invercargill this month. It appeared Mr Hanna did not realise the Times was present.

The matter is confirmed in a Transport Ministry report to the local government and environment select committee dated May 15 that says the Crown Law Office advised only the police were entitled to enforce special vehicle lanes.

The advice also had an impact on planned enforcement of the new transit lane on the State Highway 1 at Porirua, in Wellington, and cast doubt on enforcement at the Lyttelton tunnel.

The report says: "The (Auckland) Mayors were concerned that the introduction of amendments to the Land Transport Act could lead people issued with infringement notices ... to challenge the validity of these notices on the basis that local authorities did not have the power in the past to issue them."

However, then-Transport Minister David Parker advised Cabinet that he did not support introducing retrospective legislation to validate the tickets.

In September last year the Crown Law Office advised that not only was a local authority not an "enforcement authority" for the purposes of the Land Transport Act but the Finance Minister did not have the power to allow infringement fee revenue to be kept other than for incidental expenses.

The councils were told to stop issuing tickets in December until new legislation making it lawful could be passed. That happened in June.

FINE MESS
# Changes to the Land Transport Act mean local authorities and Transit New Zealand can enforce special vehicle lanes. Police can also issue infringement notices where a third party provides evidence of a breach.
# A special vehicle lane is defined by signs or markings and restricts the use to a specified class of vehicle such as bus, cycle or motorcycle.

MSTRS
20th October 2006, 12:37
The Government has changed the law but has refused to backdate it because, according to parliamentary documents obtained by The Southland Times, Cabinet ministers said they were against retrospective laws

Oh yeah???

R6_kid
20th October 2006, 12:51
Dont you find it funny that they cant sort their shit out on passing a bill to help thousands of new zealanders with leaky homes get a better way of life and standard of living, but in less than two weeks they can pass a bill to stop themselves from having to pay US back money for their illegal overspending of our money - oh, and correct me if i'm wrong but that bill is retrospective.

placidfemme
20th October 2006, 13:11
This should be in the Jokes section... the govt. actually giving money back to the public... I can hardly stop laughing

NighthawkNZ
20th October 2006, 13:16
Dont you find it funny that they cant sort their shit out on passing a bill to help thousands of new zealanders with leaky homes get a better way of life and standard of living, but in less than two weeks they can pass a bill to stop themselves from having to pay US back money for their illegal overspending of our money - oh, and correct me if i'm wrong but that bill is retrospective.

well we do have the most corupt government in power... what did you expect...i saw this 9 years ago... not that i have ever voted labour

Marmoot
20th October 2006, 13:44
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3834098a11,00.html
The Government has changed the law but has refused to backdate it because, according to parliamentary documents obtained by The Southland Times, Cabinet ministers said they were against retrospective laws ...

Smart.....only backdate law changes that rules the pay increase for MPs.....

-JC & Eleanor-
21st October 2006, 17:41
our govt. is kurropt !!! i mean firstly we have Helen Clark runnig our country!!!

shes a fuking mut, let alone stupid dopey bitch!!! we need a male leading our country!

over and out.

xwhatsit
22nd October 2006, 22:56
Lol. No offence guys, I don't want to piss you off, but I do laugh when I hear all this `we have the most corrupt government in power' type stuff.

I've been living in Brisbane for the past few years, I just came back at the beginning of this year.

Believe me, in NZ we do not have a patch on Brisbane/Australia when it comes to ineptness and corruption and taxes. You may not be getting tax breaks but never mind the fact our taxes are on average 10c lower than Australia's to start with - even including their recent tax breaks.

And as for corruption... you have no idea how violent and corrupt the police force is, especially in Brisbane. A weekend wouldn't go by when some story of police beating up citizens didn't get printed in the newspapers. Never mind all the bribery of police by drug dealers, and politicians taking bribes to cover up for it.

We've got it lucky here, no matter if it were National or Labour in charge, it's still 10x better than the State (well the Queensland one at least) and Federal governments in charge in Australia.

And JC, not trying to defend Labour here, but making judgements due to the sex of a politician is a little shit. I think those sort of comments would be more appropriate 20 years ago.

That said, you shouldn't worry too much... Helen Clarke isn't exactly the personification of femininity ^_^.

-Tom

-JC & Eleanor-
23rd October 2006, 11:52
yes look what she rode :gob:

http://www.motat.org.nz/artefact.htm.

Lou Girardin
23rd October 2006, 20:24
The 4th estate did a real good job on this one. Not only did they not pick up on the mistake, but they didn't even report on the validating legislation. It took a chance report of a meeting to wake up to the situation.
It's good to see that the guardians of democracy are on the ball.