If it was my daughter?? [Archive]

Meekey_Mouse

25th October 2006, 11:00

Saw this on the news this morning....

I have never felt more like leading a lynch mob in my whole life - spoilt little shites needed flaying alive.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3839344a12,00.html

I'm ashamed of my species some days. These kids should be pilloried and put on display and then hung and the dvd distributed!

Haha, I agree with ManDownUnder!!

That is just absalutely disgusting!!! Poor girl... that really would suck.

This part annoys me though "Education groups described the incident as sickening, saying it showed how technology could worsen the problem of bullying." It isn't the technology that is the problem, it is how these kids are getting raised!!!

All I can say is: We live in a sad, sad world sometimes.

Kendog

25th October 2006, 11:01

Sick little fucks! Bugs me that people do that kind of shit to others. But it's the gutless little assholes who only have enough balls to do things to people that are defenseless, have learning disabilities who are usually very trusting or to animals that really get me angry:mad:
I hope they get chucked into jail and get ass raped by large smelly men.:done:
Mrs KD.

Kendog

25th October 2006, 11:04

Haha, I agree with ManDownUnder!!

That is just absalutely disgusting!!! Poor girl... that really would suck.

This part annoys me though "Education groups described the incident as sickening, saying it showed how technology could worsen the problem of bullying." It isn't the technology that is the problem, it is how these kids are getting raised!!!

All I can say is: We live in a sad, sad world sometimes.

Makes me wonder though... who would be stupid enough to go to a secluded spot with 12 guys alot of whom you don't know... hmm....?

Agree, but I think it mentioned in the article that the girl had developmental problems, which I read as having a learning disability.

Sniper

25th October 2006, 11:04

Not even God can help the little shits who start that in NZ

Colapop

25th October 2006, 11:06

That is both saddening and sickening.

What the hell happened? When I was a kid, dumb stuff was riding our bikes over homemade jumps and stealing the odd smoke...

Paul in NZ

25th October 2006, 11:06

Makes me wonder though... who would be stupid enough to go to a secluded spot with 12 guys alot of whom you don't know... hmm....?

I think she went because she had a bit of a learning difficulty and she didn't know it was going to be 12. Once it got started she couldn't get out of it. To me, the fact she was at a disadvantage makes the crime even more horrible - the able minded have a duty to protect the less blessed.

Cheers

Meekey_Mouse

25th October 2006, 11:09

Agree, but I think it mentioned in the article that the girl had developmental problems, which I read as having a learning disability.

It says "The girl, who has a mild developmental delay, was also allegedly involved in sexual acts with the boys."

Oh ok... lol I read : mild development delay... thinking she was delayed in her growth.. as in short.

Paul in NZ

25th October 2006, 11:13

It says "The girl, who has a mild developmental delay, was also allegedly involved in sexual acts with the boys."

Oh ok... lol I read : mild development delay... thinking she was delayed in her growth.. as in short.

The news footage was sickening and i think it will be fair to say her development will be even more delayed now. I was genuinely amazed just how angry I was. I think that there is a line someplace and that these guys crossed it.

Meekey_Mouse

25th October 2006, 11:16

The news footage was sickening and i think it will be fair to say her development will be even more delayed now. I was genuinely amazed just how angry I was. I think that there is a line someplace and that these guys crossed it.

They didn't just cross it... the jerks broke it and smashed it to pieces!! I hope other kids don't see this and go " Gee doesn't that seem like a good idea.. Chur Bro" Or some crap. Hopefully the 12 kids who did this get not only a good arse whackin but are also made to suffer HUGE consequences so that no other immature lil nerds will ever want to do this... just my thoughts though:innocent:

MSTRS

25th October 2006, 11:17

Castration.

*snip snip*

Drops their hormonal urges to do dumb stuff - makes sure they wont have anyone around to teach and (lets face it)... it'd be a terrifying sentence. Hard to hide too as their masculine characteristics fade

Yep....none of this 'chemical' shit either....a sharp knife. And frontal lobotomies all round too. Just to make sure.

Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)

25th October 2006, 11:18

Definitely castration. Put in jail with the hard guys, e.g. shawshank redemption! For the parents to laugh it off - is even more reprehensible. Certainly makes one want to take justice into their own hands. The courts will do fk all.

I know a girl with a similar disability - because she knew some of them - she would naturally feel she was safe and would have no idea of "what could happen".

Harry33

25th October 2006, 11:22

I have to agree with most of the above, I don't want to beat my own chest but if that was my daughter or sister I'd make it my life ambition to make sure those 12 guys never see the light of day again.
Not trying to high jack the thread but imagine if one of your kids did that sort of shit. Where do parents go wrong?

kels

25th October 2006, 11:23

What sick little fuckers! Put them in a room with Bkers I say :angry2:

DMNTD

25th October 2006, 11:24

Yep....none of this 'chemical' shit either....a sharp knife...
I have two daughters and rest assured that the knife wouldn't be sharp nor would it be a quick job!
Death is too good for fuckwits like them...a slow and torturous exhistance,revisited by myself at random times in their "life" just to make sure that the wounds are festering nicely.
Sadly I have put a lot of thought into a senario like this. Too many mongrels out there these days and the laws protect them.
A bit of Fatherly retribution can work a treat

sAsLEX

25th October 2006, 11:25

...a sharp knife.

a blunt stick would be more appropriate I think.

MSTRS

25th October 2006, 11:31

Hear what you are saying....I merely thought that it would be lowering to their level to do the deed in an overly cruel way. Perhaps two rocks would please you guys?

Deano

25th October 2006, 11:37

Hear what you are saying....I merely thought that it would be lowering to their level to do the deed in an overly cruel way. Perhaps two rocks would please you guys?

As long as they are blunt.....

zadok

25th October 2006, 11:50

Absolutely disgusting. Since the 'Jackass' movies, there has been a few of these type of instances.

hellnback

25th October 2006, 11:50

Too many mongrels out there these days and the laws protect them.
A bit of Fatherly retribution can work a treat

Agree with you there mate, I'd be keen to take the law into my own fucking hands that's for damn sure!!:bash:

smokeyging

25th October 2006, 12:07

On the farm years ago we had these rubber rings we put on the lambs balls to castrate them, not very nice for the poor lambs of course. Amazing little invention, so slow…all that pain…..

Eyetie

25th October 2006, 12:09

In Perth at the moment, and just saw it on the morning news, handy for the father they showed most of the faces of all of the offenders on tv, hopefully they get some justice he can just sit outside the college and get them one by one!

Indiana_Jones

25th October 2006, 12:12

Sick fuckers.

Kids know they can get away with it, they're not dumb.

Look at that 8 year old who told his teacher to "fuck off" when he was asked to sit down.

Bring back the cane I say

"Please sit down Billy"
"Fuck off!"
*smack* "what was that?"

The little shits need to be put back into line, but wait, let's no smack them.... :P

-Indy

Paul in NZ

25th October 2006, 12:13

Absolutely disgusting. Since the 'Jackass' movies, there has been a few of these type of instances.

Yeah - I suspect some sort of copy cat thing. Isn't there something on C4 where they 'prank' homeless people? I was told there was - I sure wouldn't watch it.

I saw 5 mins of that jackass crap and informed the 'guests' that I'm not having it in my friggin house. I felt a bit stupid at the time as I am pretty open minded about stuff (well wholesome porn - ah hem) but this just seemed like ritual humiliation by knob heads that thought themselves clever 'cos they had a camera and a studio stupid enough to pay their bills...

Paul in NZ

25th October 2006, 12:14

sAsLEX

25th October 2006, 12:15

Yeah - I suspect some sort of copy cat thing. Isn't there something on C4 where they 'prank' homeless people? I was told there was - I sure wouldn't watch it.

I saw 5 mins of that jackass crap and informed the 'guests' that I'm not having it in my friggin house. I felt a bit stupid at the time as I am pretty open minded about stuff (well wholesome porn - ah hem) but this just seemed like ritual humiliation by knob heads that thought themselves clever 'cos they had a camera and a studio stupid enough to pay their bills...

Jackass is just stupid stunts and stuff generally only involving themselves, this other shit is on a whole new level!

There is the infamous Bumfights as well..

placidfemme

25th October 2006, 13:06

The world is going to hell in a handbasket and kids keep trying to mug god and steal the handbasket...

This is truely disgusting... and the sadest part... is that it happens in other countries too, and most times the crims don't get caught out... and the victims suffer without help for most of thier lives...

IMO... just shoot the fuckers... no loss there

mstriumph

25th October 2006, 13:13

Have a very bad reaction to bullies - these included

..... the only slightly redeeming feature of the entire nasty mess is that they were dumb enuff to make and circulate a movie of it .... if they hadn't, there would be even less chance of them being made to pay for what they've done

ManDownUnder

25th October 2006, 13:48

When I brought up castration I was talking about it as a preventive (as well as punative) measure. I'm not advocating a blunt knife or revenge of any sort (tempting though it may be).

I don't expect to stoop to their barbaric level.

I'm talking clinical, surgical removal of the boys. Its effects are reportedly (Wikipedia):
===
Castrations after the onset of puberty will typically reduce the sex drive considerably or eliminate it altogether. The voice does not change. Some castrates report mood changes, such as depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression) or a more serene outlook on life. Body strength and muscle mass can decrease somewhat. Body hair sometimes may decrease. Castration prevents male pattern baldness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pattern_baldness) [8] (http://www.keratin.com/ac/baldnessbiology/baldnessbiochemistry/515baldnessbiochemistryreference.shtml).
===

The threat of it among the general population would also be notable I expect. The threat of having that would be less atractive than a year or three forced to watch Sky on a Plasma TV, rent free in prison...

Swoop

25th October 2006, 14:05

..... the only slightly redeeming feature of the entire nasty mess is that they were dumb enuff to make and circulate a movie of it ....
Quite a good point! These dickheads need to film everything nowadays.

The fact there were 12 of them brings to mind the pack mentality of dogs...

If the father finds any of them and needs a helping hand........:shutup:

sAsLEX

25th October 2006, 14:10

The fact there were 12 of them brings to mind the pack mentality of dogs...

nah it dont au

they were a gang better show them some respect! Or they will stab you

Cant wear blue or red round south auckland anymore due to the gangs...

onearmedbandit

25th October 2006, 14:23

Not even God can help the little shits who start that in NZ

Don't need god mate, social services will step in, the courts will show leniancy, the public will cry foul, and it will all be swept under the carpet.

smokeyging

25th October 2006, 14:23

I don't expect to stoop to their barbaric level.

Agreed. We shouldn’t end up as a barbaric country…..NOW, WHERE DID I PUT THOSE DARNED RUBBER RINGS AND BLUNT KNIFE…….

Lias

25th October 2006, 16:50

They definitly went too far, but I personally have no objection to the type of DVD they seem to have been trying to make. I just think they should get a girl whos a willing participant.

But then again I <3 Bumfights, CKY, Jackass, and anything else resembling it.

terbang

25th October 2006, 17:13

Two parents of the two boys that made this laughed it off and said it was just a bit of fun.

A major part of the problem I suspect..

NotaGoth

25th October 2006, 17:29

Didn't see this til just now on the news..... I have to admit that I do not know what to say.... I'm absolutely shocked.... And disguisted.... Thats to say the least...

soundbeltfarm

25th October 2006, 17:32

Fuck kill those cunts and their parents that think it's just a bit of fun.

If that happened to someone i knew the safest place for the fucks that done it would be in prison.

Ixion

25th October 2006, 17:34

Agreed. We shouldn’t end up as a barbaric country…..,,

Why not. I rather approve of barbaric myself.

NotaGoth

25th October 2006, 17:43

Fuck kill those cunts and their parents that think it's just a bit of fun.

As a parent.. You'd have to be pretty fucked in the head to see doing something like that.. To that poor girl.. As being just a bit of fun.... Thats absolutely disguisting... With an attitude as bad as that, they are obviously unfit to be parents in the first place...

SPman

25th October 2006, 17:48

"I was told by Channel Seven that the two parents of the two boys that made this laughed it off and said it was just a bit of fun."

Oh yeah!

Sort of says a bit about where they get their values from.....

Scum!

NUTBAR

25th October 2006, 18:20

please please just give me 5 min with them, i sooo want to teach them some manners!:spanking: :mad:

enigma51

25th October 2006, 18:23

I reckon 15 minutes time out for each should do

slimjim

25th October 2006, 18:24

fucking sick little fuck's, i'll give the old man a few bob to get them beaten to a inch of their fucking wankly life,

James Deuce

25th October 2006, 18:34

It's good that you are all so angry.

This is merely one instance of mistreatment of the "developmentally delayed" of many that go on every day. From the "care" worker who casually cuffs a 50 year old Cerebral Palsy sufferer for knocking his breakfast off the table to the systematic rape and torture of the "developmentally delayed" who were institutionalised from birth.

And yet some of you think it is really very fucking funny to repeatedly post images of Down Syndrome Special Olympics competitors to illustrate the futility of arguing on the Intardnet.

Grinner

25th October 2006, 18:41

Like most gangs it is probably one or two leaders and lots of sheep.
The leaders need shooting, the parents should never be in charge of children and the sheep need the shit scared out of them.

LilSel

25th October 2006, 18:42

This is shocking!!

Im over in Aus at the moment and they showed the DVD (minus that bit) on the news last night... stupid kids!!
Said that the dvd's had been handed over to the police however.

Hope they get what they deserve!!

candor

25th October 2006, 18:54

I hate all of them. Its not the girl that is retarded! This situation is exactly the type calling for severe Police brutality - can 12 people fall down the stairs at Melbourne Station. Lets teach these sadistic perverts the meaning of "victim". And yes - too much testosterone... androcur the boyfreaks pls.

Indiana_Jones

25th October 2006, 18:55

Well the sad thing is they'll get a slap on the wrist from the justice system, but hopefully the public will deal out some real justice...

-Indy

John Banks

25th October 2006, 19:22

Chemical castration for sexual offenders?

Who else will be voting MDU next election?

Skyryder

25th October 2006, 20:08

Saw this on the news this morning....

I have never felt more like leading a lynch mob in my whole life - spoilt little shites needed flaying alive.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3839344a12,00.html

I'm ashamed of my species some days. These kids should be pilloried and put on display and then hung and the dvd distributed!

Didn't need to open up the link to know what you are about Pnz. My first thoughts were to boil them alive. That's after they have been flayed and strung up by the goolies. Words fail me this time Pnz

Skyryder

Skyryder

25th October 2006, 20:09

Didn't need to open up the link to know what you are about Pnz. My first thoughts were to boil them alive. That's after they have been flayed and strung up by the goolies. Words fail me this time Pnz

Skyryder

ps I'd do the same to the fuckers who bought the DVD.

Skyryder

Highlander

25th October 2006, 23:08

Felt Physically sick after seeing it on the telly news.

I think those buying the DVD's and the parents laughing it off are just as bad as those doing it in the first place.

They need to throw the book at them (just make sure it is hard covered).

What if it was your son?

insane1

25th October 2006, 23:36

nah just round them up and let sarge and his mates do with them what they want marine justice sounds good,add all there parents in with them there just as guilty as those little shits.

Highlander

25th October 2006, 23:42

Code Redas in "A Few Good Men" you think

Lou Girardin

26th October 2006, 06:01

Swoop

26th October 2006, 07:29

Cant wear blue or red round south auckland anymore due to the gangs...
Bugger. I ride a red bike and have blue panels on my corduras... I'm fucked!

Better start packin' iron down that way then...:whistle:

Paul in NZ

26th October 2006, 07:44

The worrying thing, apart fropm the act itself, is that they'd videoed it and then sold the DVD. What measure of arrogance, or lack of awareness, makes you think you won't get caught.
People that stupid should be sterilised before they breed.

Yup - that was on my list of emotions once mr Rage had been put back in his box. The stupidity of it and the pride in it? I know every generation wonders whats wrong with our youth but this blew me away.

Honestly - I wonder if 12 months charity work or compulsary military training should be mandated to give people an insight into what makes a society work? I dunno - sad, very very sad.

dnos

26th October 2006, 08:20

:gob: :angry: :mad: :bash: :ar15:

sAsLEX

26th October 2006, 08:31

The worrying thing, apart fropm the act itself, is that they'd videoed it and then sold the DVD. What measure of arrogance, or lack of awareness, makes you think you won't get caught.
People that stupid should be sterilised before they breed.

Some good has come of the DVD as some parents recognised their kids and took them in to be questioned so not all of the parents are willing to laugh this off.

ManDownUnder

26th October 2006, 08:35

The worrying thing, apart fropm the act itself, is that they'd videoed it and then sold the DVD. What measure of arrogance, or lack of awareness, makes you think you won't get caught.
People that stupid should be sterilised before they breed.

Dunno about not getting caught... I think it's more a sign they either don't care about any punishment coming their way - i.e. it's not significant enough, or they hadn't thought about the consequences (there's a new thing... NOT)

If the organisers were made "two stone lighter" their acolytes would think twice before joining in again.

Same applies to gangs. The whole rough tough thing would go straight out the window if the head cahoona got their balls removed and took up knitting...

ManDownUnder

26th October 2006, 08:40

Chemical castration for sexual offenders?

Who else will be voting MDU next election?

LOL thanks... but small correction... not chemical castration... I'm recommending a scalpel

Lias

26th October 2006, 13:33

Its interesting that its taken _4 months_ for any complaint to be made, and then shes only said it was rape after the DVD came out. I saw something on one of the myspace profiles related to the boys along the lines of a statement she consented at the time and shes lying now.. Cant help but think given its taken 4 months maybe its a case of she agreed to it, and then once her parents/friends saw the dvd she said it was rape. Sure as hell wouldnt be the first time.

James Deuce

26th October 2006, 13:46

Aaargh - irrespective of the rape charge THEY PISSED ON HER AND SET HER ON FIRE.

Fuck! Talk about taking what you want out of it. Even if they didn't rape her, SHE IS A HUMAN BEING WITHOUT THE CAPACITY TO RELIABLY LOOK AFTER HERSELF.

Those fuckers took advantage of her disability and then made money out of it. The Allies executed german doctors for experimenting on the disabled at the end of WW2.

What am I thinking? That's right she's developmentally delayed. She deserved it for being less than perfect and doesn't get any leeway. She has provide 100% correct witness detail or the case gets thrown out. Stupid disabled kid thinking she could fool us perfect people into thinking that she was raped. We'll have to let those poor boys off.

If it was my kid there would have been 12 house fires and the doors and windows of those houses would have been fucking barred from the outside.

mstriumph

26th October 2006, 13:51

Why not. I rather approve of barbaric myself.

Life is already barbaric - it was designed to be so

it's just that everyone loses sight of that because it's overlaid with a thin veneer of civilization

hateful as it may seem, when viewed in that light persecution of those perceived to differ from the 'norm' [as happened here] is broadly 'normal' juvenile herd behaviour .............

but what is ACTUALLY hateful is that our veneer of 'civilization' will preclude the next logical step - ie swift & nasty physical retribution by the girl's family and other likeminded elders

this is why we feel outrage - because the system is out of balance

[I]*sneaks off to collect pitchfork and light bonfire ........*

ManDownUnder

26th October 2006, 13:53

Cant help but think given its taken 4 months maybe its a case of she agreed to it, and then once her parents/friends saw the dvd she said it was rape. Sure as hell wouldnt be the first time.

It wouldn't be the first time a victim of sexual violence has stayed quiet through shame or guilt either. I know of people that stayed quiet for 5 years. They were no less victims after that time, and the perp was no less guilty.

The facts - it happened, there is a DVD recording what happened (or part of it) and if the girl, her parents or other concerned/involved parties want the court to look at it... go for it.

ManDownUnder

26th October 2006, 13:56

this is why we feel outrage - because the system is out of balance

[I]*sneaks off to collect pitchfork and light bonfire ........*

Well put LOL... not so subtle either.

Vigilante groups are prone to getting it wrong however. I refer to the same pack mentality you brought up. If no-one is able to convince them they're wrong... they must be right! Right?

The KKK are a fine example of it.

Wenier

26th October 2006, 14:15

Yea it is appaulling to see this kind of thing happening. But i do have to disagree with anyone who thinks Jackass or CKY has anything to do with this happening as mentioned they are willing participants in their own pranks and don't do anything as bad as this.

It is good to hear on the news that alot of parents have turned their kids in, good on them.

All we can hope for now is that the courts use their full power on these buggers and maybe some of the other prisoners will sort them out for what they have down.

MrMelon

26th October 2006, 14:20

Motoracer

26th October 2006, 14:21

That was sick...

Can't belive how stupid these kids are..

Don't know, I'm shocked and angered and saddened at the same time..

Paul in NZ

26th October 2006, 14:58

Consent? Whats that??? Do this or we will beat the crap out of you, tell anyone and we will do it again?

Hard to say exactly what was going on out of frame BUT - this whole thing is sooooo far over the line that it does not matter. Even if this was made in hollywood by famous actors I would still be seriously bent out of shape about it, not only because I have daughters myself but because this sort of needless crap threatens our hard won freedoms.

I hate this stuff - it's a disease that needs to be rooted out and can never be tolerated. Moral corruption - bah. Honestly - the more I see of these people the more i want to go live in a wilderness...

Lias

26th October 2006, 14:59

Fuck off dude, they took advantage of her pure and simple. Or is this type of behaviour justifiable to you and your national front buddies?

Rape is always wrong, I'm not disputing it. Hell I'm pro-death peanlty for rapists and serious sexual offenders if you've read some of my other posts. The thing is thou that until I see the video with my own eyes, or a jury of reasonable people finds them guilty of it I'm not prepared to jump on the "hang draw and quarter" bandwagon. Far too often I've seen in the papers that a woman has been arrested for making a false rape complaint, and the fact that this wasnt complained about till 4 months after the event and only when it came out on DVD makes alarm bells go off in my head. If these kids did what they are accused of, fine punish them accordingly, but this is just trial by media at the moment with what would appear to be some bloody big "danger will robinson" alarms going off about the evidence.

Incidently I find it ironic to be playing devils advocate and supporting potential rapists given my normal views on these things.. But something just doesnt sit well with this one.

MrMelon

26th October 2006, 15:06

They had clips from it on tv last night. it was plainly obvious there was nothing consentual about it, and like a young girl in her situation is going to be able to stand up to a group of these little fuckers at the time. Taking advantage of someone who's moderately disabled in the way they did, and then having the nerve to video it and sell it is pretty despicable. I hope all those involved get fucked up. I bet there are a fair few people over there willing and capable of dishing out a bit of vigilante justice.

marty

26th October 2006, 15:09

after the shame of being pissed on and set on fire, which i find it hard to believe a developmentally delayed 17 year old female would ever agree to without the co-ersion of 'we'll be your friend forever' (let alone most developed 17 year olds..)and trying to ignore it/hope it would go away, finally seeing on video may have been the catalyst for her to tell those outside of her so-called circle of secrets.

she may have parents who give a fuck, or maybe her parents don't - either one would be difficult to tell them.

so what should the penalty be? 8 years with parole after 5? although that's the starting point for abducting and raping 10 year olds in nanny state enzed....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10407702

marty

26th October 2006, 15:16

The thing is thou that until I see the video with my own eyes, or a jury of reasonable people finds them guilty of it I'm not prepared to jump on the "hang draw and quarter" bandwagon. .

ummmm. yes you are:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=792654&postcount=22

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=795718&postcount=20

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=785092&postcount=146

i'm sure there's others.

and yes, i was bored.

Lias

26th October 2006, 15:37

after the shame of being pissed on and set on fire,

My ex used to fantasise about being raped at knifepoint, and wanted cold steel held to her skin during sex. Another lady I know is right into her BDSM and likes to be tied up, tormented and humiliated in some pretty hardcore ways. Then there are the many women who are into handcuffs and shit.

I'm not saying this girl's one of them but there are certainly women out there who'd be right into it just for the hell of it, and even more who'd be into it if they got paid for it!

That doesnt even cover any female versions of johnny knoxville, stevo etc who do some absolutely fucked up shit to themselves.

They had clips from it on tv last night. it was plainly obvious there was nothing consentual about it, and like a young girl in her situation is going to be able to stand up to a group of these little fuckers at the time.
I missed the footage on the news, and nothing that I've seen on the net is anything beyond some blurry stills of teens standing around , I havnt seen anything with the girl even in it that I'm aware of.

ummmm. yes you are:
Smarty pants! :Pokey: I never said I was adverse to any hanging drawing and quartering, I just have seen any evidence yet that these guys should be lined up and shot, and until they do I'm not gonna jump on that bandwagon

MrMelon

26th October 2006, 15:39

But if they were niggers on the other hand you'd be out with the pitchfork and shotgun right?

ManDownUnder

26th October 2006, 15:43

Smarty pants! :Pokey: I never said I was adverse to any hanging drawing and quartering, I just have seen any evidence yet that these guys should be lined up and shot, and until they do I'm not gonna jump on that bandwagon

QDOS for that dude! :niceone:

Paul in NZ

26th October 2006, 16:01

My ex used to fantasise about being raped at knifepoint, and wanted cold steel held to her skin during sex. Another lady I know is right into her BDSM and likes to be tied up, tormented and humiliated in some pretty hardcore ways. Then there are the many women who are into handcuffs and shit.

I think you are on dangerous ground there.

It's one thing to have a fantasy (Hey I fantasise my bike is cool and i'm a fast rider) or to indulge in a whole range of activities with a willing partner. But the catch phrase of all these fringe activities is 'Safe, Sane and Consentual'.

(before you ask or make a smartarse comment I worked in an adult supply store once to save money for my OE OK? - Yes - I saw it all)

At 17, this girl, regardless of her mental ability, is definately not mature enough to fit that description. She is 17 and that whole 'thing' you describe usually requires a certain amount od sophistication that does NOT happen at that age. Even if the clips i saw were staged - they are NOT RIGHT. Say what you want, throw up examples galore but this aint right.

I think most of the people I used to know that were into that stuff (Bike club in ChCh, another lifetime) would have not only agreed BUT they would have been leading the charge and after they dealt to this gang of oiks the next call would have been your place. Their feeling was always that there is a lot of negative publicity about their personal choices and they hated reasons like you gave and excuses for abuse. Remember that pedophiles usually groom their victims too - does that make the victim a willing partner? How long ago does it need to have happened before its OK??

I admire you for offering the alternate view but nah mate - this aint right - never will be right. Its about as bad as it gets and mark my words this will destroy so many lives and families.... aarrgghh... Thoughtless, arrogant little ...