Wannabe Police Nazi Bikers

[acewheelie]

Hi guys, was going through Onehunga a short while ago and came across a bike cop waiting to turn right behind a set of lights, as I got closer he was underway on the arrow, and it went amber before I got there, so I stopped.

I turned on the green, and another biker coming the other waved at me and made the spinning light sign, I wasn't speeding (but thanks anyway if you are out there).

The cunning cop was waiting just before the motorway and pulled out after I had gone past, must have pi##ed him off when he saw I wasn't speeding.

Now stopping and waiting for me, is that getting close to entrapment??

Haven't they got anything more important to do than try to aggravate bikers??

[limbimtimwim]

Maybe he just wanted to perv at / listen to your F3? Maybe tighten his helmet? Adjust his gloves? Talk dirty on the radio?

I'm assuming the bikey cop wasn't off the bike, pointing his laser up the road at you?

[Bussaman]

:zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz:

[acewheelie]

Maybe he just wanted to perv at / listen to your F3? Maybe tighten his helmet? Adjust his gloves? Talk dirty on the radio?

I'm assuming the bikey cop wasn't off the bike, pointing his laser up the road at you?

None of the above, mmmm, maybe he did want a listen, LOL!!

He would have got an earful if he had pulled me up for nothing!!

[MSTRS]

He would have got an earful if he had pulled me up for nothing!!

You can then guarantee that he finds something to ping you for....

[acewheelie]

You can then guarantee that he finds something to ping you for....

Yes, a no win situation there, LOL!!
:scooter:

[inlinefour]

Hi guys, was going through Onehunga a short while ago and came across a bike cop waiting to turn right behind a set of lights, as I got closer he was underway on the arrow, and it went amber before I got there, so I stopped.

I turned on the green, and another biker coming the other waved at me and made the spinning light sign, I wasn't speeding (but thanks anyway if you are out there).

The cunning cop was waiting just before the motorway and pulled out after I had gone past, must have pi##ed him off when he saw I wasn't speeding.

Now stopping and waiting for me, is that getting close to entrapment??

Haven't they got anything more important to do than try to aggravate bikers??

Maybe he stopped to admire your bike or knew that something/someone else was coming that was trouble? Your not paranoid by any chance? :mellow:

[Macktheknife]

"Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep"

Lighten up man, he is just doing his job, you were doing what you were supposed to, nothing happened that shouldn't have.
ie: NO PROBLEM! :innocent: :scratch:

[DemonWolf]

Gotta agree with MacktheKnife... fully. =)

[WINJA]

Hi guys, was going through Onehunga a short while ago and came across a bike cop waiting to turn right behind a set of lights, as I got closer he was underway on the arrow, and it went amber before I got there, so I stopped.

I turned on the green, and another biker coming the other waved at me and made the spinning light sign, I wasn't speeding (but thanks anyway if you are out there).

The cunning cop was waiting just before the motorway and pulled out after I had gone past, must have pi##ed him off when he saw I wasn't speeding.

Now stopping and waiting for me, is that getting close to entrapment??

Haven't they got anything more important to do than try to aggravate bikers??

ITLL PROLLY ME NODMAN , HES A FUCKEN CUNT WHO TARGETS MOTORCYCLISTS, IM WAITING FOR THE DAY THAT HE FALLS UNDER A TRUCK SO I CAN PISS ON HIS GRAVE

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

:whocares:
actually, after checking out your profile pic, he was prob just a perv like stated above and wanted to listen to your duc as it passed, he will prob be thinking of your duc when he's pounds himself. ahh duc, duc, duuuuuuuuc...ah

[RT527]

ITLL PROLLY ME NODMAN , HES A FUCKEN CUNT WHO TARGETS MOTORCYCLISTS, IM WAITING FOR THE DAY THAT HE FALLS UNDER A TRUCK SO I CAN PISS ON HIS GRAVE

Hmmmm With that Kind of Attitude , me`s Starting to wonder why it is he targets Motercyclists.......:yes:

[Swoop]

With the exposure of red light runners on TV3 last week, perhaps someone higher up the food chain has decided that red lights are an area that needs to be looked at.
Good on them if that has happened.

EDIT: yes, it was stop sign runners! Cheers Wenier!

Anyone want a new brain? Slightly used, memory fading fast...

[topher]

"Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep"

Lighten up man, he is just doing his job, you were doing what you were supposed to, nothing happened that shouldn't have.
ie: NO PROBLEM! :innocent: :scratch:

Yup, I'm on Mack's side. You're here for a good time, not a long time so don't waste time on stuff which doesn't matter.

[Wenier]

With the exposure of red light runners on TV3 last week, perhaps someone higher up the food chain has decided that red lights are an area that needs to be looked at.
Good on them if that has happened.

Wasnt it stop sign runners??

[Scouse]

nice bike looks mint

[Lou Girardin]

Could it be that he fancied you?

[scumdog]

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I'm with him - the paranoia will eat you up if you let piddly little things like THAT get to you.

Lighten up dude, life's too short!:yes:

[sunhuntin]

meh, cops is cops. just dont give em a reason to hassle you....simple. you werent speeding, didnt go through a red light, and im assuming were riding safely...he couldnt pull you up, so you both go about your merry lives.

dont get hung up on it.:whocares:

[scumdog]

meh, cops is cops. just dont give em a reason to hassle you....simple. you werent speeding, didnt go through a red light, and im assuming were riding safely...he couldnt pull you up, so you both go about your merry lives.

dont get hung up on it.:whocares:

Doesn't 'need a reason' he COULD have pulled you up regardless - but chose not to.:rockon:

[sunhuntin]

Doesn't 'need a reason' he COULD have pulled you up regardless - but chose not to.:rockon:

true...but if the guy was riding safe, the cop would have had to struggle to find a reason. ive been seeing a few cops around lately, so i make sure im riding right.
got stopped at a rego check [all vehicles, so not being singled out] i realise they have a job to do, so i try and make sure they wont find anything wrong. i sure dont come on here ranting and raving about how unfair it is.

:dodge:

[JimO]

think about not having police on the roads and what carnage and stupidity that would reign, a few years ago i went on a ride along and i thought that they were pretty fair, they set up a checkpoint down the road fron a pub and every driver that was over the limit was given the choice, sober driver or hand over the keys and walk. all walked

[JimO]

and the people who got themselves locked up really had to go out of their way.....cops deal with the dregs of society and do our dirty work for us, then we complain if we dont get let off cos we were only speeding a little or the light had only just turned red, they are all pricks eh.,,,,but then some bastard steals your bike and it please mr police man can you help me

[AllanB]

So we have a motorcycle behaving in a legal manner (you sure you're not gay?), a cop doing his job, and the result of nothing happening. Chill and enjoy the ride.

Lets face it if you are caught doing something illegal on the road, tough, suck it up, pay up and be more selective where you do it next time.

And no I'm not a cop, related to one, or listen to the village people.

Nice ride BTW.

[Sniper]

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[Fatjim]

Doesn't 'need a reason' he COULD have pulled you up regardless - but chose not to.:rockon:

Phew, for a moment scummy I thought you were going all "reasonable" on us, then you come out with this. Normal service has resumed.

Bring on the police state!

[JimO]

Phew, for a moment scummy I thought you were going all "reasonable" on us, then you come out with this. Normal service has resumed.

Bring on the police state!

whats the alternative,, you do what you want.......the gang of dark skinned gentlemen with baseball bats do what they want, eccept they want to beat on you for a while.who ya gonna call- spookbusters

:scooter:

[MattRSK]

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[scumdog]

Phew, for a moment scummy I thought you were going all "reasonable" on us, then you come out with this. Normal service has resumed.

Bring on the police state!

Nice troll!!

But for those that DON'T know:

Not all disqualified/drunk etc drivers drive badly all the time.
So if you have a better way than random stops to detect these people be sure and let me know.

In 'the old days' you had to have committed a driving error before the Traffic Cop could pull you over and discover you were sozzled.

Of course more than a few times that 'driving error' was a head-on crash or a flying trip with a car load of mates over a high bank into a river etc.

So random stops are good, a minor inconvenience for the innocent but a way of getting a potentially lethal drunk off the road

End of unreasonable rant.:bleh:

[sunhuntin]

Nice troll!!

But for those that DON'T know:

Not all disqualified/drunk etc drivers drive badly all the time.
So if you have a better way than random stops to detect these people be sure and let me know.

In 'the old days' you had to have committed a driving error before the Traffic Cop could pull you over and discover you were sozzled.

Of course more than a few times that 'driving error' was a head-on crash or a flying trip with a car load of mates over a high bank into a river etc.

So random stops are good, a minor inconvenience for the innocent but a way of getting a potentially lethal drunk off the road

End of unreasonable rant.:bleh:


yep...comin home from a circus this year...they had a breath test set up. dad was bitching and moaning...id rather be held up for a few seconds and get home alive than get hit by some drunk and find myself a feast for worms.

as i said...simple idea...dont give em a reason to ticket you, and boht go home happy. ive had one ticket, and i deserved it, i paid it and havent done anything since. not saying i follow all laws/license restrictions all the time, i just try not to do it where ill get caught.

[Ixion]

Nice troll!!

But for those that DON'T know:

Not all disqualified/drunk etc drivers drive badly all the time.
So if you have a better way than random stops to detect these people be sure and let me know.

In 'the old days' you had to have committed a driving error before the Traffic Cop could pull you over and discover you were sozzled.

Of course more than a few times that 'driving error' was a head-on crash or a flying trip with a car load of mates over a high bank into a river etc.

So random stops are good, a minor inconvenience for the innocent but a way of getting a potentially lethal drunk off the road

End of unreasonable rant.:bleh:
Hm. But there are other criminals, and some no less dangerous to the innocent. And not all of them drive, or not all the time anyway.

So, by logical extension, do you suport random stopping and search of pedestrians? After all, that innocent looking guy may have a pocket full of P.

Likewise, not all folk carrying out illicit acticities in their houses give external evidence of their wrongdoing. So , you would support random searches of peoples homes, too? After all any one of those houses could be harbouring a clan lab?

And what about those crimes that have no physical evidence, or the evidence is ephemeral. So, the guy has nothing in his car . Or his pockets. Or at his house. But, he COULD still be, say, a pedophile. So, by extension, should you not select random people for extensive interrogation. Or monitoring, surveillance. Think of all the innocent kiddies that could be protected , just by eliminating that archaic nonsense about presumption of innocence and freedom from arbitrary this and that.

Why should anyone object? After all, if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear. right? Just a minor inconvenience.

[limbimtimwim]

Nice troll!!
But for those that DON'T know:
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End of unreasonable rant.:bleh:If any police officer pulls me over for 'no reason' then that officer should expect a letter to their commanding officer demanding an explanation. Pull me over to check my rego and warrant if you like, but not 'no reason'. Otherwise I'll start sending in letters every time I see a mufti go 50km/h through roadworks.

[Fatjim]

So random stops are good, a minor inconvenience for the innocent but a way of getting a potentially lethal drunk off the road

End of unreasonable rant.:bleh:

Got no problem with booze busses, it's the "picking someone out for no reason" that I have a problem. this is just begging cops to harass people they don't like, like say......motorcyclists! See, we've come full circle know, did it click?

Is it strange that more motorcycle runners are being reported in the press than I can ever remeber, is it because they are reported more, or are the numbers actually increasing?

One, and only one of the reasons, is that the justice system in this coiuntry sucks and the HP are losing the respect of more and more segments of the populace. (is that 2 reasons?)

To maintain the respect they should deserve, coppers need to be above reproach, not going around harassing people, flaunting the law by speeding, swaring at people, or just being plain arseholes. The public, and us lesser criminals (I mean motorcyclists) just want to be fairly treated by the coppers.

End of reasonable rant :stupid::innocent:

[Fatjim]

If any police officer pulls me over for 'no reason' then that officer should expect a letter to their commanding officer demanding an explanation. Pull me over to check my rego and warrant if you like, but not 'no reason'. Otherwise I'll start sending in letters every time I see a mufti go 50km/h through roadworks.

Being a gixer rider, you're more likely to helped up by a copper, than stopped by one.

[MSTRS]

Hm. But there are other criminals, and some no less dangerous to the innocent. And not all of them drive, or not all the time anyway.

So, by logical extension, do you suport random stopping and search of pedestrians? After all, that innocent looking guy may have a pocket full of P.

Likewise, not all folk carrying out illicit acticities in their houses give external evidence of their wrongdoing. So , you would support random searches of peoples homes, too? After all any one of those houses could be harbouring a clan lab?

And what about those crimes that have no physical evidence, or the evidence is ephemeral. So, the guy has nothing in his car . Or his pockets. Or at his house. But, he COULD still be, say, a pedophile. So, by extension, should you not select random people for extensive interrogation. Or monitoring, surveillance. Think of all the innocent kiddies that could be protected , just by eliminating that archaic nonsense about presumption of innocence and freedom from arbitrary this and that.

Why should anyone object? After all, if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear. right? Just a minor inconvenience.

"Your papers are not in order. Down the salt mines with you. Next...."

[ManDownUnder]

So, by logical extension, do you suport random stopping and search of pedestrians? After all, that innocent looking guy may have a pocket full of P.


You're right on both counts.

They could find they have pockets full of P...

And it is an extension albeit quite a generous one. Drunk in charge of a pair of feet increases your chances of attracting police attention - just like drunk in charge of a car. I'm more than happy for those drunk in charge of a car to be taken off the roads though (by the police, as opposed to an innocent, a tree or something else equally permanent).

There are a number of things to check on a car to make sure it (and the driver) are not actually a 4 wheeled 911 looking for a target. If a pedestrian chooses to run into a car, or building (or another person) the outcome is most likely to be funy rather than fatal.

The suggestion of entrapment is a overboard too. You'll find that people stop following you as soon as you give up the paranoia. It works really well.

Last - closing comment.. Nodman. I've met him a couple of times on duty and off. Nice guy - no problems there... end of story

[Ixion]

,,. Drunk in charge of a pair of feet increases your chances of attracting police attention - just like drunk in charge of a car. I'm more than happy for those drunk in charge of a car to be taken off the roads though (by the police, as opposed to an innocent, a tree or something else equally permanent).

,,

So do I . So does everybody. The question wasn't "do you support drunken driving". The question was "should police have the right to arbitrarily detain and search".

Wasn't about drunk drivers, or pedestrians. It was about drivers, or pedestrians, who are NOT drunk. Who have committed NO crime. Who have NOT attracted attention. Who have in fact done absolutely nothing wrong.

How do you logically jump from "should police be able to detain and interrogate people without grounds for suspicion" to supporting drink driving?

[ManDownUnder]

Wasn't about drunk drivers, or pedestrians. It was about drivers, or pedestrians, who are NOT drunk. Who have committed NO crime. Who have NOT attracted attention. Who have in fact done absolutely nothing wrong.

How do you logically jump from "should police be able to detain and interrogate people without grounds for suspicion" to supporting drink driving?

The leap was via scumdogs post who mentioned that police were (historically) unable to pull over a drunk driver unless they'd done something wrong.

Which raises the question of potential for disaster which went (in turn) to my point of having the cops being able to pull over drivers just to check them.

Sorry - wasn't explained well enough obviously.

I have no problems with cops pulling people over any time they like. In the end it keepsthe streets safer for me and mine.

As I've always argued though - there needs to be accountability. If you believe the cops are using their position to harrass or intimidate then there needs to be a mechanism by which they are held immediately responsible (and I understand that mechanism isn't adequate at the moment) - but that's a whole other issue.

[R6_kid]

Onehunga is the area that "bykey cop" (yes he's a member here under that name) patrols on his BMW cop bike. He's the least likely to be a nazi with regards to bikes... how do i know, i've met him. The kinda guy that thinks if your not doing anything excessively stupid or dangerous then he'll let you on your way no questions asked.

[Motig]

So the first post was about what? Paranoia? Shouldnt you guys be reccomending a shrink instead of going into the Good Cop/Bad Cop routine. This guy could be dangerous if he gets access to a weaponed and thinks "their" after him.Innocent people are at risk here.God knows what would have happened if he'd actually been pulled over.:Punk:

[scumdog]

If any police officer pulls me over for 'no reason' then that officer should expect a letter to their commanding officer demanding an explanation. Pull me over to check my rego and warrant if you like, but not 'no reason'. Otherwise I'll start sending in letters every time I see a mufti go 50km/h through roadworks.

So when he pulls you over and you ask him why and he says 'no reason' does that mean you'll run ranting and sobbing to his commanding officer?

But if he says "to check your licence" you would shrug your shoulders and say 'o.k. good-as man"???

I always say 'no reason' when some wannabe bush-lawyer starts into me about "why have you stopped me? I haven't done anything wrong, why are you picking on me? Haven't you anything better to do?" at the side of the road before I even get out of the car.

Decent folk get a courtious explanation as to why I stopped them and are most accepting and we part in good spirit.

Which catagory are you??

[NUTBAR]

did you have a thought that he might just want to have a look at your bike to see what it was?:yes:
iv talked to a couple of bikercops & i work with a retired one & they are interested in bikes.:done:

[slimjim]

yea , like all things in life, if you didn't stop and get asked, you'll never know what the fuck you didn't do yet, hehe

[JimO]

a good one is when the wife says to the cop thats just pulled them over "dont mind him officer he is always like that when hes been drinking"

[Jonny Rotten]

sounds like a case of the paranoia.....to much weed does that

[limbimtimwim]

So when he pulls you over and you ask him why and he says 'no reason' does that mean you'll run ranting and sobbing to his commanding officer? But if he says "to check your licence" you would shrug your shoulders and say 'o.k. good-as man"???Yep.
I always say 'no reason' when some wannabe bush-lawyer starts into me about "why have you stopped me? I haven't done anything wrong, why are you picking on me? Haven't you anything better to do?" at the side of the road before I even get out of the car. Decent folk get a courtious explanation as to why I stopped them and are most accepting and we part in good spirit. Which catagory are you??I've never had to ASK for an explantion. The last one just said "One hundred and twelve" and that was that. Actually, I'm such a goody good I've only had one speeding ticket in my entire life. But if I were proceeding along a road having done nothing wrong (Because I, in general, know when I am doing wrong) and I got pulled over, I'd be a bit peeved and want to know why. YOU personally (I mean Mr Scumdog) don't have to worry about it, you are probably a good enough person not to waste everyones time, so it is not an issue for you. I would think 99.5% of police wouldn't pull someone over to 'no reason', they'd have their reason, and the driver would probably know what the reason was.

But it'd be a cold day in hell when a police officer says unprompted 'random pull over for the hell of it in the middle of the day is my reason' and I don't get upset.

You'd be annoyed too.

[terbang]

When cops pull me over I just ask them politely to get on with what they are going to do (write me a ticket or whatever) as quickly as possible so that I can get back on my way. Makes me laugh as most of them ask me the reason for the speed to which I allways ask back. 'will it make any difference'. They allways reply with 'No' and sometimes a little blurb about safety and so on. I give no reason and thank them for their concern. Their fines are in my biking budget. :dodge:

[scumdog]

When cops pull me over I just ask them politely to get on with what they are going to do (write me a ticket or whatever) as quickly as possible so that I can get back on my way. Makes me laugh as most of them ask me the reason for the speed to which I allways ask back. 'will it make any difference'. They allways reply with 'No' and sometimes a little blurb about safety and so on. I give no reason and thank them for their concern. Their fines are in my biking budget. :dodge:

Your biking 'budget' seems like it would be a shitload moe expensive than mine.:innocent:

[terbang]

However I also believe in credit where credit is due. Rode back from Tauranga in all that shite weather and just as I was approaching home the weather fined up and the road dried. Bumped the speed up a bit and just as the Kays started reeling on, over the brow of the next hill comes a police car. Might be in the budget but I am a Scotsman from way back. On the picks and glance at the speedo as its swinging back through 130K..! On come his flashing lights and I get the finger (not the rude one) waved at me. Turned his lights off and carried on. I was surprised because it would have been a fair cop. Anyway to the point here, it gave me a bit of a fright and was an effective warning as I certainly towed the line a bit more for the remainder of the trip.

[spudchucka]

Hm. But there are other criminals, and some no less dangerous to the innocent. And not all of them drive, or not all the time anyway.

So, by logical extension, do you suport random stopping and search of pedestrians? After all, that innocent looking guy may have a pocket full of P.

Likewise, not all folk carrying out illicit acticities in their houses give external evidence of their wrongdoing. So , you would support random searches of peoples homes, too? After all any one of those houses could be harbouring a clan lab?

And what about those crimes that have no physical evidence, or the evidence is ephemeral. So, the guy has nothing in his car . Or his pockets. Or at his house. But, he COULD still be, say, a pedophile. So, by extension, should you not select random people for extensive interrogation. Or monitoring, surveillance. Think of all the innocent kiddies that could be protected , just by eliminating that archaic nonsense about presumption of innocence and freedom from arbitrary this and that.

Why should anyone object? After all, if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear. right? Just a minor inconvenience.

You are delving into the huge debate over the balance between an individuals rights to privacy and crime control.

Don't dig too deep because it will end up being bigger than the scottish thread.

There are currently quite reasonable means for dealing with the scenarios you depict. Supporters of crime control, (not just the police) would quite happily agree to extending current powers of stop and search but I more or less 100% guarantee you it will not happen in this country under this Govt, (even with National in power it would be extremely highly unlikely).

[spudchucka]

The question was "should police have the right to arbitrarily detain and search".

Check sections 21 & 22, New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

[scumdog]

But it'd be a cold day in hell when a police officer says unprompted 'random pull over for the hell of it in the middle of the day is my reason' and I don't get upset.

You'd be annoyed too.

I'll let you know the first time it happens.

I've been pulled over four times in the last 15 years, in circumstances that the precious types could have thought "He's pulling me over, I haven't done anything wrong, he's pulling me over for no reason"
Once 'cos my number-plate was bent (had a ding-dong at the side of the road over how it had to be bent to fit the no. plate bracket), didn't get ticket though.
Once for a licence/WOF check.
Twice at road-block breath testing

And no, they did not know who they were stopping and the two first stops were when I was a freezing worker. (Unshaven, long hair, tattered black jersey, steel-cap boots - the whole nine yards) and still got no grief from the cop apart from the 'discussion' about the bent plate.

[Patrick]

Hi guys, was going through Onehunga a short while ago and came across a bike cop waiting to turn right behind a set of lights, as I got closer he was underway on the arrow, and it went amber before I got there, so I stopped.

I turned on the green, and another biker coming the other waved at me and made the spinning light sign, I wasn't speeding (but thanks anyway if you are out there).

The cunning cop was waiting just before the motorway and pulled out after I had gone past, must have pi##ed him off when he saw I wasn't speeding.

Now stopping and waiting for me, is that getting close to entrapment??

Haven't they got anything more important to do than try to aggravate bikers??


Lay off the "P" you paranoid crack head...

[Fatjim]

I met a cop last night that seemd a decent bloke.

[Ixion]

You are delving into the huge debate over the balance between an individuals rights to privacy and crime control.

Don't dig too deep because it will end up being bigger than the scottish thread.

There are currently quite reasonable means for dealing with the scenarios you depict. Supporters of crime control, (not just the police) would quite happily agree to extending current powers of stop and search but I more or less 100% guarantee you it will not happen in this country under this Govt, (even with National in power it would be extremely highly unlikely).

Yes, I agree with you. But, that is only because whenever someone sticks his head up and suggests it, enough people jump up and down and make noises about it. Price of liberty and all that.

BTW, FTR, I've never been stopped , in 40 odd years, without there being a reason for the stop . Excepting booze bus type things I guess, but I don't have a problem with them, because it's not random. They stop everybody.

[Squeak the Rat]

Was this copper on his bike or off it? If he was on it he wasnt doing speed checks, NZ Police bikes dont have mobile radar yet and the laser pouches havent been approved yet.

Yet?...... D'oh.

[Patrick]

They are getting them approved....well i know at central they are looking at it.

To be honest i get pissed off with people speeding in Auckland City, so many fatalities and injuries from cars not being able to stop in time to avoid push bikes and peds.

and motormicycles...

[ManDownUnder]

Yep...all the fatal an non fatal ones i have seen though are from red light runners or crazy u turns. Speed in town becomes a problem when push bikes or peds walk on the road or accidentally fall onto the road.

Was a nasty one about two weeks back.

So... is it illegal for us pedestrians to point them out with a.. say... paintball gun? What a lark that would be

100 people lined up and every bastard that runs a red light gets 200 paint balls decorating the front/sides/back (and hopefully inside?) of the car. I reckon they'd change their habits pdq

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... "fuck"...