Tl1000s?? or vtr1000???

[judy8373]

Hi,who can tell me??
which one is fast or better??between 98'tl1000s and 98"vtr1000
cheers

[kiwifruit]

tls1000 :yes:

welcome to the site

[McJim]

SP1.(a kind of VTR1000)

[Nutter34]

TL1000s has a better engine, with fuel injection, though the suspension was supposedly harsh and left a bit to be desired.
The VTR was softer in the power delivery, more upright riding position and more road orientated suspension which many thought made it easier to ride on the road.... Had carbs and a small tank which limited range...

[tl_tub]

Ive had both so far. Get a TLS! They both have problems, like any bike, but the TLS is, overall a better bike.

[Spyked]

If you are looking at buying, I reckon there's only one way to tell which one would best fit your needs. Ride them both. And anything else that looks like it would be a good candidate.

[Fatjim]

Mate of mine just went through this. He had a tls, wrote it off.

Dispite owning a tls he liked the vtr and slmost bought one, but in the end bought a new SV. Loves it, can't stop grinning so far.

Got a great deal from the Masterton Suzi dealer.

[Clivoris]

Welcome to the site. I've always figured that Bruce Lee would beat Mohamed Ali in a fight.

[MattRSK]

Welcome to the site. I've always figured that Bruce Lee would beat Mohamed Ali in a fight.

Chuck Norris mate. Chuck Norris! There is no chin under Chuck Norris' beard. Only another fist.

[limbimtimwim]

SP1.(a kind of VTR1000)Yes true. If you are most interested in 'fast' and 'big jappa twin' then the SP1 or the SP2 is something to consider. But more expensive than a TL or a the run-of-the-mill VTR.

[98tls]

As has been said ride them both then decide....i would obviously vote for the TLS as i have one but ive met plenty of very happy VTR owners...there both good all rounders really...ive toured all over on mine quite happily and its good for having a bit of fun in the twistys with....have ridden an SP1 and decided as fun as it would be i wouldnt like to spend two or three days solid on one....

[fozz rock]

Chuck Norris mate. Chuck Norris! There is no chin under Chuck Norris' beard. Only another fist.

ive heard this to MUST BE TRUE

tl or vtr ??? tea or coffee??? tits or ass???
each to their own. dont count out the sv its got a LOT of fans

[fozz rock]

have you got your full
are you able to test ride them

[cowpoos]

TLs is still one of the most exciting and fun bikes ever.... if your always like a smile on ya face while riding a TLs is the bike for you...I'ld take one over a fireyawn any day

[Deano]

TLs is still one of the most exciting and fun bikes ever.... if your always like a smile on ya face while riding a TLs is the bike for you...I'ld take one over a fireyawn any day

You've ridden both I take it ?

[pritch]

have ridden an SP1 and decided as fun as it would be i wouldnt like to spend two or three days solid on one....

BIKE Magazine says words to the effect, "Hard and focussed, if you're not leave it alone."

I'd like one but I'd need a commuter/tourer as well so it won't happen.

[Motig]

Welcome to the site. My choice out of the 2 would be VTR, but I'm more into the tourer mode when riding, so think apart from the small tank (but hey you wouldn't be crossing the Gobi Desert, we do have gas stations pretty close to each other here) feel it would be the better alrounder. And I dont recollect seeing a bad roadtest on them yet.

[Fatjim]

You've ridden both I take it ?

The pussy hasn't ridden mine!


(the pussy bit was just added to take it over 10 chars)

[cowpoos]

You've ridden both I take it ?
in deed..... not a sp1/2 like your old one mind.... but then thats not the comparison

[imdying]

What do you plan on doing with it? Ride it to work, touring, scratching, track days?

[TLDV8]

The SV1000 at around $12500 has got to be worth a look ?

As a tourer the TLS is fine,but if you want to get it up to spec it will cost around $2000 in suspension add on's ( I don't know what the SV or VTR would need)
As said test rides to get a feel for the engines and ergonomic's is the best bet,you will know fairly quickly.
As far as power i seem to remember a comparison that said the 916/VTR/TLS were fairly even to 60 mph (UK test) then the TL walked away.It has to be remembered also given fairly high second hand prices these bikes are getting up to 9 years old now.... The SV has a lot of improvements to the engine and is also tuned (They are getting up to 140 RWHP in the UK) for a more friendly power delivery. (and it is new)

The SP1/2 will get spanked by a TLR in a straight line but handle better...... Even a detuned 1998 + TLS will jump to around 116 RWHP with a full system which is in the SP range.A 97 TLS will spank it no problems...not to mention a better power/torqu delivery.
It all comes back to what you are looking for.

[Morepower]

Both great Bikes , Which one do you like the best? the wild boy TLS or captain sensible the VTR ?
Ride both decide then what suits you best. If you can get a good sorted TL with after market rear suspension its worth looking at . Then the SV is excellent value at the moment , not a lot extra for a brand new bike.

Dave

[Stormer]

My 2000 VTR suits me fine, the Yoshi`s play a sweet tune too.
Anything where you can open the throttle and pull away at 200 k is fine by me.
But then I ain`t no "Ghost Rider"...

[Astrocat]

I just wrote my 99 VTR1000F off, i must say that i wanted it to be more than i wanted, but its only a 1000 twin. Very nice to ride with good handling. Suspention neds to be tuned to the rider. BUT the fuel economy is REALLY SHIT. Small tank (12L) didnt help. Wish i had the model with the 19L tank instead. I was always stopping to fill the damn thing at 170km down the tarmac. But then i was pushing everything out of it.

Nice bike overall. Easy to ride for anyone.

[Deano]

The SP1/2 will get spanked by a TLR in a straight line but handle better...... Even a detuned 1998 + TLS will jump to around 116 RWHP with a full system which is in the SP range.A 97 TLS will spank it no problems...not to mention a better power/torqu delivery.


My old SP-1 had 117 RWHP standard, up to 127 RWHP after PCIIIr, Neptune Pipes and a K&N Filter.

If only they made them 150kg instead of 200kg's, I would probably have stuck with it.

[MVnut]

If those are the only 2 bikes you're lookin at, get the VTR, no contest..... but if you go for the TL check out the rear shock mount, most of them break.:scooter:

[The_Dover]

If those are the only 2 bikes you're lookin at, get the VTR, no contest..... but if you go for the TL check out the rear shock mount, most of them break.:scooter:

are you on crack nigga?

the vtr is a turd.

[paturoa]

I've got an SV so I'm biased.

All VTR owners and ex owners luv their bikes and all TL owners and ex owners luv their bikes - prolly says enough.

I'm a zook fan from way back and tested the VTR b4 buying an SV. I didnt test a TLs.

[judy8373]

Thanks for your advice

[MVnut]

Gee, a response from the man himself (Dover) I is humbled...........I am biased, don't tend to like shock mounts breaking on me,sorry if I upset you sir:dodge:

[judy8373]

tls1000 :yes:

welcome to the site

thanks for your advice

[The_Dover]

Gee, a response from the man himself (Dover) I is humbled...........I am biased, don't tend to like shock mounts breaking on me,sorry if I upset you sir:dodge:

I think if it's lasted this long it's a pretty safe bet. They haven't made the TL's for years now.

[TLDV8]

If those are the only 2 bikes you're lookin at, get the VTR, no contest..... but if you go for the TL check out the rear shock mount, most of them break.:scooter:

They don't break, they can crack on the L/H frame tab but it is totally avoidable if checked early.The problem is the stock rotary damper being of a smaller width to the mounts so they can distort or worse loosen the bolts which can then snap) The mounting holes in the tab's can also be off drilling wise..Two TLS's and neither have cracked...Like any bike,they need some form of upkeep and are probably not for the mechanically challenged or lazy.... How long do i expect to keep my TL's,three spare TLR gearbox's might give an idea......Far from the perfect bike but good enough for me,they eat the k's week in week out.

Here is a pic,you can see where the damper has been sitting,the L/H mount does the same but is thinner so supceptible to cracking when distorted.

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[Highlander]

Which it is not.
Since both will easily get you to loss of licence speeds, top speed and how quickly it gets there bears little in my decision making process.

What I will be looking for in my next bike is (in no particular order):
Fuel Range (my current bike does 350 Km between full and Reserve so I have been spoilt, this is my biggest concern with the VTR ).
Look & Sound (the VTR rates highly in both I think).
Likely on going maintenance costs (reliability).
Rider / Pillion comfort (ergonomics and ride pleasure, handling feaures really) How much time is likely to be spent 2 up will determine how much waiting I give Pillion comfort.

Work out what YOU want in a bike and which fits the criteria best.

That said the VTR is one of the bikes on my short list to try.

[Dooly]

I've had a TL, brought one new in '97.
I found it too hard for me to ride, the position. I found the bars too low.
Mind you, I'm only 5ft 7 and have a arthritic banged up hip, so all that did'nt help.
I test rode a VTR at the same time, and chose the TL for the more power, even tho the VTR was more comfortable.
I did'nt keep it long, in fact only about a month, and swapped my Bandit back etc.
9 years later and now an old bastard, I brought a VTR1000 as a re-introduction back to biking.
Its much more user friendly for me, and I like it a lot.
I'm not so focussed on going fast but it will get up there if I want.
If I had to chose now between the two, I'd go for the VTR, but at the end of the day, its, as always, down to personal choice, whether its looks, power, gas mileage etc etc.

[baldrick]

the tl's are excellent - except for the rep of the rear suspension and a couple of other things (re-sale being one of them). the vtr's are not without their issues too, and at about 98hp, you'd probably get bored with the power sooner rather than later. why not an sv1000? that's the bike the tl shoud've been originally.

[98tls]

:gob: if it was i wouldnt have bought one.....:innocent:

[jonbuoy]

Both got their good and bad points. Cam Chain tensioners and Charging System faults seem to crop up on the VTR websites, as do soggy front forks on early models. Replacement springs or fireblade forks will sort it. VTR motor seems to be pretty bullet proof otherwise and is a good engine for the road. 42,000kms and not a drop of oil used between changes on mine. Only other things I have heard of are some coolant leak issues on early ones - don't think there will be any with that problem now, also watch for black discoloured clutch fluid from perished seals.

[cowpoos]

why not an sv1000? that's the bike the tl shoud've been originally.
nah...a SV1000 is a watered down TL....standard TL would still run rings around a SV everywhere but comfort....

[loosebruce]

VTR1000 Firestrom :mellow:
VTR1000 SP1/2 :yes:
TL1000S :Punk:

The firestrom has it's place in life but compared to the TL is a sack of shit, but then it depends on what you want if you want a bike with better handling, more power and a shit load more fun the TL wins hands down. If you want a mundane boring grandad bike that'll get you from A to B the VTR is for you.
The SP1 is not mych of a comparison against the S more up against the TL1000R but in saying that the right rider on a TLS can run rings round anything out there.

[Stormer]

A 230kph+, roll-on-throttle wheelstanding, music-to-the-ears-sounding VTR a boring, grandad bike??????
Yeah, like, whatever dude...

[98tls]

A 230kph+, roll-on-throttle wheelstanding, music-to-the-ears-sounding VTR a boring, grandad bike??????
Yeah, like, whatever dude... good for you mate...there an awsome bike and in my travels i have had many conversations with many very happy VTR owners and have always ended up agreeing to disagree which is all good....just cant get over how ugly VTRs are though..........:innocent: :Punk: enjoy it mate....great bike and yes they sound awsome

[Morepower]

VTR1000 Firestrom :mellow:
VTR1000 SP1/2 :yes:
TL1000S :Punk:

in saying that the right rider on a TLS can run rings round anything out there.

:shit: awww what did you tell them that for , its much more fun when they think you are riding an evil handling , possessed bike thats out to kill its rider with wicked tankslappers and that getting around one lap of the track without being seriously injured or the frame falling apart is some sort of miracal . Now they know its a easy to ride bike that even a slow old bugger like me can look reasonably competent on! :doh: :spanking:

[NighthawkNZ]

hmmmm... Well I have a 2002 VTR and totally happy with it. Looks, sounds great, great sports tourer, just a fun bike. The engine is pretty bullet proof... (I can't comment on the older models tho... only that it has a smaller tank and a few other mods to the later models)
http://www.quantumillusions.com/grafx/vtr1000.jpg

I test rode a Tl1000 and just couldn't get comfortable riding it and that was only after 10 minutes... it all comes down to a personal thing of comfort, ease of riding, and your needs for the bike.

You need to test ride each bike, see which meets your needs, riding style and what you want to do with it. and if neither do it for you continue to look around

[n0regret5]

not even gonna bother reading the thread - TL1000S hands down. i assume you mean a firestorm, as the SP1 was a bit of a grunter..but i'd take a tiller any day. mainly cos they've got REAL attitude and character..

[98tls]

not even gonna bother reading the thread - TL1000S hands down. i assume you mean a firestorm, as the SP1 was a bit of a grunter..but i'd take a tiller any day. mainly cos they've got REAL attitude and character.. Dont you mean a Tillis.:cool:

[n0regret5]

Dont you mean a Tillis.:cool:

haha..dammit. but i'm refferring to the T L..tl'a..yeh? ah forget it. so i ride a tillis.

that really doesn't have the same ring to it..

[98tls]

haha..dammit. but i'm refferring to the T L..tl'a..yeh? ah forget it. so i ride a tillis.

that really doesn't have the same ring to it.. Yea mate so do i,still at least we dont have to widen the driveway to get a Tiller down it,to top it off we dont ride round looking like we have a platypus sticking out our arse.:buggerd:

[HACHET]

when i was looking for a vtwin i had the luck that the shop i was looking at had both so i rode them back to back. we have all heard the stories about the tls with its controversial rear setup and its twitchy front end, but when i test rode it i i was grinning from ear to ear the way the power is delivered is awesome, wheelies are much to easy. nice riding position not to cramped. when i rode the vtr i did not find it very exciting although a very good bike i felt like it was more of an all rounder than a bike with loads of character and a dodgy history. safe to say i chose the tl and i made the right choice awsome power loads of mid range grunt never had a problem with the suspension or front end. Took it round the coro loop recently with a bunch of others and it did not miss a beat awesome in the twisties for a large bike. what a load of bollocks i talk so last thing to say is i think it has more character and history than either the vtr or the sv :cool:

[98tls]

when i was looking for a vtwin i had the luck that the shop i was looking at had both so i rode them back to back. we have all heard the stories about the tls with its controversial rear setup and its twitchy front end, but when i test rode it i i was grinning from ear to ear the way the power is delivered is awesome, wheelies are much to easy. nice riding position not to cramped. when i rode the vtr i did not find it very exciting although a very good bike i felt like it was more of an all rounder than a bike with loads of character and a dodgy history. safe to say i chose the tl and i made the right choice awsome power loads of mid range grunt never had a problem with the suspension or front end. Took it round the coro loop recently with a bunch of others and it did not miss a beat awesome in the twisties for a large bike. what a load of bollocks i talk so last thing to say is i think it has more character and history than either the vtr or the sv :cool: You sir need TLZONE.NET :niceone:

[McJim]

As far as Im concerned any short wheelbase V twin is neat.

[Defiant]

Hmmmmm....rode them both...VTR for me and coming 2nd overall in points in the NSDW at champion against a hyabusa says they dont lack on power. If you think they dont get up and go you obviously dont have the balls to use the throttle properly.....LOL but everyone to thier own....ride them both and decide which suits you.'


(lets see the shit fling now huh?)

[n0regret5]

when i was looking for a vtwin i had the luck that the shop i was looking at had both so i rode them back to back. we have all heard the stories about the tls with its controversial rear setup and its twitchy front end, but when i test rode it i i was grinning from ear to ear the way the power is delivered is awesome, wheelies are much to easy. nice riding position not to cramped. when i rode the vtr i did not find it very exciting although a very good bike i felt like it was more of an all rounder than a bike with loads of character and a dodgy history. safe to say i chose the tl and i made the right choice awsome power loads of mid range grunt never had a problem with the suspension or front end. Took it round the coro loop recently with a bunch of others and it did not miss a beat awesome in the twisties for a large bike. what a load of bollocks i talk so last thing to say is i think it has more character and history than either the vtr or the sv :cool:

- from the TL bible. brilliant. i found i had to drop the final drive gearing on my vtr before i could even get the front wheel up, TL just hauls, and hauls, and then you hit the powerband and it hauls some more..it gives me goosebumps thinking about how well she goes! the biggest differences i found were the riding position - the TL has a higher seat (more than 10mm i think) but its FAR less cramped, i used to loathe riding away for the weekend cos i knew i'd get uncomfortable in the first hour - not so with the new girl. can ride for 3 hours before needing a stretch. and the engine...what an engine. the VTR engine was lumpy and shitarse below 4000rpm if you gave it a fistful, the TL just handles the nuts. i'm definitely a convert..

also, i couldn't have the 'real men ride twins' sticker with hot chicks on it worn on the back of my helmet when i owned a vfr or cbr..haha!

[n0regret5]

Yea mate so do i,still at least we dont have to widen the driveway to get a Tiller down it,to top it off we dont ride round looking like we have a platypus sticking out our arse.:buggerd:

hahaha..admittedly i would love a TLR, as it has been one of my dream bikes for ever BUT the first thing i'd do is switch the tail for a late model gixxer..along with some of the front end..they are fuckin hefty bikes for being nearly 10kg lighter than an 'S'!

can't wait to start my fightering. gonna lighten the front end up stupid amounts..

[HACHET]

hahaha..admittedly i would love a TLR, as it has been one of my dream bikes for ever BUT the first thing i'd do is switch the tail for a late model gixxer..along with some of the front end..they are fuckin hefty bikes for being nearly 10kg lighter than an 'S'!

can't wait to start my fightering. gonna lighten the front end up stupid amounts..

im looking to fighter mine aswell found a really wicked headlight unit from germany,new triple clamp with risers,renthal bars new clocks,new short levers, carbon front gaurd and so much more.

[JimO]

i prefer the motor in mine

[n0regret5]

im looking to fighter mine aswell found a really wicked headlight unit from germany,new triple clamp with risers,renthal bars new clocks,new short levers, carbon front gaurd and so much more.

yeh? details please - i have a thread up asking for help, i've got a set of '05 cbr600rr headlights that i've chopped up but i'm after something much nicer..whats the website name, was it costly?

[n0regret5]

i prefer the motor in mine

.......isn't it a tuned down TL-S? admittedly in a lighter, sexy frame..:-D

[HACHET]

www.streetfighters.com.au

check out this site and the spondon framed tl 1000 motor it is one sexy bit of kit and would have cost a shit load to build.

[JimO]

.......isn't it a tuned down TL-S? admittedly in a lighter, sexy frame..:-D

it puts out 105hp whats a stock tl put out??

[NighthawkNZ]

when i rode the vtr i did not find it very exciting although a very good bike i felt like it was more of an all rounder than a bike with loads of character and a dodgy history.

and that is what the VTR is... an all rounder... and that is why many vtr owners are more than happy with them... its not classed as a sports bike with ultimate power... its a sports tourer. Means you can have a bit of play on the track, its comfortable enough to tour on, has enough power to load up and have a pillion no problem...

You should keep that in mind when buying any bike, what do you want it for, is comfortable to ride (for the length of time you will be riding it) blah blah blah...

[dipshit]

it puts out 105hp whats a stock tl put out??

116 hp for the 03 04 SV vs 125 hp for the TL according to the same source.

www.suzukicycles.org/SV-series/SV1000-SV1000S.shtml

www.suzukicycles.org/TL-series/TL1000S.shtml

Although they bumped the compression ratio up a bit from 11.3:1 to 11.6:1 from 06 SV1000.

[JimO]

116 hp for the 03 04 SV vs 125 hp for the TL according to the same source.

www.suzukicycles.org/SV-series/SV1000-SV1000S.shtml

www.suzukicycles.org/TL-series/TL1000S.shtml

Although they bumped the compression ratio up a bit from 11.3:1 to 11.6:1 from 06 SV1000.

coool..............

[n0regret5]

coool..............

i thought so..taking my bike up north when my mate puts his new mufflers on his KTM (got a set of akrapovics for $100!) and take it to the dyno place, reckon its putting out a fair bit more than stock, very free breathing. NICE!

and yeh, i agree with the all-rounder vtr thing, missus never complained about the seat (all complaints were directed at no grab rail and my tendency to grab fistfulls of throttle...), but i just found her too uncomfortable (the bike!), thats a fair bit of a stretch over the tank for someone my size.

[98tls]

Heres a couple of nice fighter style TLs.Sadly the 2nd was written off recently and the 1st one was stolen.

[98tls]

Back on track...http://www.tlzone.net/filevault/TLSvVTRMay97.zip

[AllanB]

Photo 1 Suzuki

Photo 2 VTR

Personally I think the TL's are overpriced for 10 year old bikes (and lets face it they should have been ridden hard during that term). VTR will offer better 'value'.

At $12500 - around 3k more than a good clean TL a NEW SV1000 is a bargain - I have a 2003 Suzuki brochure introducing these on the market as great value at $15995. And they have improved since 03 and dropped $3500!

Food for thought.

[98tls]

Photo 1 Suzuki

Photo 2 VTR

Personally I think the TL's are overpriced for 10 year old bikes (and lets face it they should have been ridden hard during that term). VTR will offer better 'value'.

At $12500 - around 3k more than a good clean TL a NEW SV1000 is a bargain - I have a 2003 Suzuki brochure introducing these on the market as great value at $15995. And they have improved since 03 and dropped $3500!

Food for thought. Have seen a few SVs for sale cheaper than some TLSs,go figure eh.

[AllanB]

Have seen a few SVs for sale cheaper than some TLSs,go figure eh.

Weird - no offense to the TL and its owners but the SV is the better of the two (other than outright power). The TL does have some SERIOUS street cred though - no need to walk funny - if you own one its presumed you'll need a wheelbarrow for ya balls! :2thumbsup

Personally purely style wise I prefer the look of the rounder TL (and early SV650's). Just a personal thing.

[98tls]

Weird - no offense to the TL and its owners but the SV is the better of the two (other than outright power). The TL does have some SERIOUS street cred though - no need to walk funny - if you own one its presumed you'll need a wheelbarrow for ya balls! :2thumbsup

Personally purely style wise I prefer the look of the rounder TL (and early SV650's). Just a personal thing. Fair call,personally the SV isnt for me,ive tried but it just doesnt do it for me,i have a mate with one,tasty mods etc and swap we have but i just dont get it.Ive spent years and $ mucking around with my old S and compared to later model stuff its shite but still the most fun ive ever had on 2 wheels.Although in saying that theres a member on KB with an SV i would glady make room for in my garage.

[Defiant]

- also, i couldn't have the 'real men ride twins' sticker with hot chicks on it worn on the back of my helmet when i owned a vfr or cbr..haha!

I hope you know the vtr and vfr are different engines.....lol..cause if you cant get it up on a vtr then i agree you shouldnt ride one.....the vtr deserves more respect than that.:nono:

[Deviant Esq]

not even gonna bother reading the thread...
Clearly you didn't, or you wouldn't have bothered replying to it either. Your reply was 18 months after the original question, what's the point in dredging the thread up from the depths of the dead to say "I didn't read it but get the TLS"? Bit late for that, but hey, someone might still care.

[n0regret5]

Heres a couple of nice fighter style TLs.Sadly the 2nd was written off recently and the 1st one was stolen.

ay? that first one belongs to sully from TL forums, he JUST won 'fighter of the year for 2007..

[n0regret5]

I hope you know the vtr and vfr are different engines.....lol..cause if you cant get it up on a vtr then i agree you shouldnt ride one.....the vtr deserves more respect than that.:nono:

yeh i owned two vfrs and a vtr, vtr was my first foray into the big bikes league..not sure what you mean?

[Defiant]

-..... i found i had to drop the final drive gearing on my vtr before i could even get the front wheel up...... the VTR engine was lumpy and shitarse below 4000rpm if you gave it a fistful......

just commenting that the VTR's have a shit load of torque and lifting the wheel is done with ease...and i have found the power from idle is just fine.....you just need to (as with any bike) repsect the gear your in for the revs your pulling......i'll admit mine sounds like a mower running over a rock if i accelerate from 40-50km/h in 5th or 6th but thats typical of a vtr....but any more than 1/4-1/2 or so on the throttle in 1st 2nd 3rd and its pointing the wheel to the sky......but then every person to thier own....:Punk:

[n0regret5]

just commenting that the VTR's have a shit load of torque and lifting the wheel is done with ease...and i have found the power from idle is just fine.....you just need to (as with any bike) repsect the gear your in for the revs your pulling......i'll admit mine sounds like a mower running over a rock if i accelerate from 40-50km/h in 5th or 6th but thats typical of a vtr....but any more than 1/4-1/2 or so on the throttle in 1st 2nd 3rd and its pointing the wheel to the sky......but then every person to thier own....:Punk:

oh yeh i get you..but it was the first bike i'd owned that put out more than 43bhp..haha! also it was the most expensive and didn't wanna risk dropping it (i'm good at that), but i found once i switched the sprockets and chucked on a new chain it wheelied like a maniac from lights..great fun. still learning to wheelie, too..

[Defiant]

yeah its all good....everyone has the bike they like.....lol...for me its the firestorm, for the guy down the road its his.....(trying to say it...)....HhHhHh....H..Hyosung.....there got it out....LMAO....

[geoffc]

Add another vote for the VTR. I've had mine over 3 years and still love it.

[Rogue]

Rode both of them when new. TL had the stronger engine but I wasn't happy with the riding position, seemed to perched on top of it. VTR better riding position. I agree dont forget the SV. Horses for courses M8 Its whatever you like :woohoo:

[dipshit]

Found a page that goes into some detail the difference between the TL and the SV1000 engine.

http://motorcycledaily.com/01july03_2003suzuki_sv1000.htm

"Although the SV1000 utilizes the same engine as prior 1000cc v-twin Suzukis (the precise displacement is 996cc), plenty of new technology was thrown at this motor for use in the SV. With roughly 300 changes, Suzuki describes the 90 degree v-twin in the SV as "thoroughly evolved and refined".

Compared to the TL1000S, intake valves have gone from 40mm to 36mm in size, providing a big boost in low-end and mid-range power without much sacrifice in top-end power. The fuel injected SV is fed by Suzuki's dual throttle valve system controlled by a 32 bit CPU.

This powerful computer brain keeps.. (blah blah blah). ...Cam profile is also changed from the TL1000S, improving power output in the low-end and mid-range. Basically, Suzuki's goal for the engine was to smooth power output, without sacrificing much from the top-end of the TL1000S. Suzuki provided the comparison dyno chart illustration to show that they came pretty close to achieving their goal -- greatly improved low-end and mid-range, smoother transition from low-end to top-end, and only a minor loss of top-end peak power.

Suzuki also made countless changes aimed at reducing weight in the engine, such as going to single valve springs (the TL1000S had double valve springs), aluminum valve spring retainers, smaller cam chain (which allows a related reduction in the width of the intermediate gear and idler gear), forged pistons (versus the TL1000S cast pistons), tempered conrods (30 grams lighter), etc."