Like crossing yellow lines? Don't in Manawatu Gorge!

[Beemer]

This from Stuff today:

Cops bust 40 crossing line in the Gorge
01 November 2006
By EVAN HARDING

Police have rejected claims of revenue gathering after busting 40 motorists crossing the centre line in the Manawatu Gorge in just six hours, resulting in $150 fines for each offender.


Traffic officers with cameras were stationed above a corner in the Gorge to take photos of vehicles crossing the centre line, which has double yellow lines from end to end that should not be breached.

"To be honest, we were shocked at the number of people with no regard for double yellow lines," Central Districts Highway Patrol Acting Senior Sergeant Willie Roy said.

"Double yellow lines are there because it's a dangerous piece of road, yet car after car and truck after truck kept doing it (crossing the centre line)."

However, a letter to the Manawatu Standard from a motorist stung with a fine during the blitz said police were simply revenue gathering.

JC Gardiner said police had put the camera above a corner in the Gorge that the largest number of ordinary drivers are likely to cut "the one that shouldn't have a yellow line in the first place because the visibility is perfect", the letter said.

"I bet they make a fortune from operations like this.

"I once gave police the benefit of the doubt when they said traffic safety enforcement was not about revenue gathering. Now I know they lie."

Mr Roy said allegations of revenue gathering are "boring" and motorists are fined because they break road rules.

He was unsure which corner the camera had been stationed above. "We would have taken it from that corner because that corner is a problem."

Mr Roy said that there have been at least 50 accidents in the Manawatu Gorge in the past two years.

Police stationed an officer with a camera in the Gorge hills for about two hours at a time on September 18, 19 and 26 after they had received daily calls from motorists complaining about bad driving in the Gorge.

AdvertisementAdvertisementThey clicked 40 crossing the centre line, some with the whole vehicle on the wrong side of the road, he said.

He said motorists should expect another blitz.

Central Districts acting road policing manager Nick Dobson said an opportunity was taken to install the double yellow lines in the Gorge when major slips from flooding closed the road in 2004.

The lines were installed to slow traffic down, keep traffic on the correct side of the road and prevent accidents, Mr Dobson said.

"It's not a good place to overtake and it's also a place that attracts people to try out their perceived motor-racing skills.

"It's a great place to have double yellow lines."

Police use cameras in the hills because it is a difficult stretch of road for patrol cars to police due to its winding and narrow nature, he said.

[James Deuce]

Serves them all fucking well right and bravo Mr Plod, about time you did some decent fucking Highway Patrol work.

[Motu]

Wankers,just taking money off people for nothing.There's no way I can get my Pajero through there without crossing the centreline - but cars coming the otherway see me and move over,most wave and toot their horn too....so I don't see what the problem is....

I'm gunna write a letter.....

[Swoop]

Central Districts acting road policing manager Nick Dobson said an opportunity was taken to install the double yellow lines in the Gorge when major slips from flooding closed the road in 2004.

The lines were installed to slow traffic down...
So yellow lines do not mean "do not cross" they really mean "slow down"?
This explains the road from Pokeno to Thames...

Good on the ecilops though! This one IS for road safety!:yes:

[Kendog]

Wankers,just taking money off people for nothing.There's no way I can get my Pajero through there without crossing the centreline - but cars coming the otherway see me and move over,most wave and toot their horn too....so I don't see what the problem is....

I'm gunna write a letter.....

I hope you are taking the piss

[James Deuce]

You have to ask?

[twinkle]

good on the coppers :wari:

[Mom]

good on the coppers :wari:

Yep.....imagine meeting said vehicle over yellow lines on your bike....yikes......double yellows are there for a reason

[Sketchy_Racer]

It would be interesting to see what people comments would be if a bike was ticketed??

I know alot of riders that have crossed the double yellow ( I am not innocent ) On certain roads.

[James Deuce]

Don't care if it was a bike RG100.

Can't have one rule for them and one for us.

[Grahameeboy]

Don't care if it was a bike RG100.

Can't have one rule for them and one for us.


Agreed, I got done for crossing yellow lines.................35 points added towards my 3 month holiday.......

[dhunt]

I definitely don't agree with having the double yellow lines all the way through the gorge. Before they put the yellow lines in it was quite a good bit of road. But now you can expect to get up to a maximum of 50-60km/h through there. Which is pain in the neck - If the road is clear for xxx metres why should it need a double yellow line. There is definitely room to safely pass through there in places.

I actually quite liked it when they had the traffic lights mid section. As you could pass all the traffic there and normally had a clear run through the rest of the gorge.

I do agree with the cops inforcing the yellow line rule as I don't like it when I find a vehicle in my lane coming the other way. I just wish the line painters wouldn't be quite so generous with their yellow paint all the time.

[scumdog]

Don't care if it was a bike RG100.

Can't have one rule for them and one for us.


Need to spread bling it said - but you deserve it for that post.:yes:

[dangerous]

If theres one thing in this world that fucks me off... its lazy arseholes that cut right handers, crossing the center line be them yellow or white, and that goes for us bikers too, we can be just as bad as the cages out there.

[Grahameeboy]

If theres one thing in this world that fucks me off... its lazy arseholes that cut right handers, crossing the center line be them yellow or white, and that goes for us bikers too, we can be just as bad as the cages out there.


Agree... I only crossed that time because the traffic was slow, straight road etc no oncoming, I was doing about 70kph in 100kph zone and it was blowing a gale so decided to give a wider berth when passing a car that moved out just before I passed but having said that I should just have stayed in traffic...taught me.

[scumdog]

- If the road is clear for xxx metres why should it need a double yellow line. There is definitely room to safely pass through there in places.

What may seem 'clear' for xxx metres to smart riders like you and I may not actually be clear to the average drongo/slack jawed mouth breather that never got past his restricted despite 5 attempts.

Or conversely MAY seem clear to them despite the Previa with mum and four kids coming the other way.

[dangerous]

Wasnt aiming my post at you mate, hell I have been known to pass when there are yellow lines, but I do it legit, by remaining on the left side of the yellow, how ever this does sometimes mean passing close. One advantage bikes often have is we can pass much faster than a cage, well withen the 100m line of visability... all the same its a tad norty aye :dodge:

[Gremlin]

"It's a great place to have double yellow lines."
uh-huh... and don't we all know why...

If we overtook when there was an abscence of yellow lines... I could be overtaking around corners with blind crests etc... but intelligence tells me not to...

Likewise, there are perfectly usable sections of road, with yellow lines down them... I judge whether I can overtake or not by my own standards (and yes... I have been caught doing it :mellow: )

The law is an ass most of the time...

[avgas]

The should replace the yellow paint with Oil - that would fix the fuckers

[dangerous]

uh-huh... and don't we all know why...

If we overtook when there was an abscence of yellow lines... I could be overtaking around corners with blind crests etc... but intelligence tells me not to...

Likewise, there are perfectly usable sections of road, with yellow lines down them... I judge whether I can overtake or not by my own standards (and yes... I have been caught doing it :mellow: )

The law is an ass most of the time...

yeah to a point I agree... how ever like SD said the lines have to be there for the worst off all drivers that are to fucking thick and brainless to consider whats around the corner, unfortunatly the beter drivers have to follow suit... PC shit is out off hand, wont be long before we are bourn with out a brain.

Having said that if you have ever had a friend or family member hit from a fucked up unit driving the wrong side of the rd and you have seen the result... you "would" be in favour off the yellows.

[Clockwork]

In my experience double yellows are frequently dawn in the most inappropriate places while at the same time I've also seen bends and hills that are crying out for them but they are nowhere to be seen. A little more consistency and a little less nannying from the roading authorities and I'd be far more supportive of this sort of policing.

As far as I'm concerned double yellows should be used where road visibility makes it too dangerous to pass safely, not as a device to ensure no one can go faster that the slowest driver.

[XP@]

Yeh! way cool, the cops have eventually found another way of revenue gathering, and this time it is sensible!
I've followed dorks through there that spent more time on the wrong side than they did on the left.

We cannot complain when they target crap driving as opposed to speeding.

[judecatmad]

In my experience double yellows are frequently dawn in the most inappropriate places while at the same time I've also seen bends and hills that are crying out for them but they are nowhere to be seen. A little more consistency and a little less nannying from the roading authorities and I'd be far more supportive of this sort of policing.

As far as I'm concerned double yellows should be used where road visibility makes it too dangerous to pass safely, not as a device to ensure no one can go faster that the slowest driver.

Too true.

I don't know the stretch of road being discussed in this thread so I have no idea how appropriate those lines are, but there are indeed bits of road that I've driven and ridden on where the yellow lines (or their absence) makes no sense at all.

I agree tho that if they are there, you need to pay heed to their existence. Even if it's just so you don't get pinged!

[James Deuce]

XP@, after travelling overseas and returning, I've always thought the way for the Govt. to make REAL money off the roads in NZ is to enforce everything else other than speeding.

People will leap to the defence of the NZ driver, but most NZ drivers (myself included) are below average in skills, understanding of vehicle dynamics, road rule awareness, and general courtesy and spend a great deal of time in every trip breaking laws other than speeding.

There are very few people in NZ that I know who could be dropped into a high density situation like UK motorways without gettting themselves in deep, deep trouble, often without even knowing what they'd done to piss people off or get a ticket. NZ drivers are usually arrogant enough to use ignorance of the law as a defence in a foreign country, let alone NZ.

I'd like to see failing to indicate, incorrect use of indicators and failing to heed street signs or traffic lights targeted as hard now. There's a crap load of money to be made in that area Ms Clark. Hint, hint.

[XP@]

I don't know the stretch of road being discussed in this thread so I have no idea how appropriate those lines are...
For those of you who don't know the road:

it is a busy main east west route between Palmerston North and Woodville, there are two alternatives but these are narrow and twisty. Being a part way up a gorge it has steep clifs on one side which are prone to slips and on the other side a very steep drop off. Just to add to the mix there are some fairly tight corners.

So, whilst it would be a lot of fun to take at speed, once you came across a couple of cars and a truck passing safely would not be possible. For the road to be closed due to a head on would disadvantage many poeople. The drivers I have seen cross the line were doing so out of sheer lazyness, therefore deserve to be slapped.

If they continue to cross the centre line then they may take the other alternative... the dreaded cheese cutters

[Deano]

Is crossing both lines the offence ? What if you are riding in between the two yellow lines while overtaking ?

From memory the offence was for the vehicle to wholly cross both lines.

[Gremlin]

yeah to a point I agree... how ever like SD said the lines have to be there for the worst off all drivers that are to fucking thick and brainless to consider whats around the corner, unfortunatly the beter drivers have to follow suit...
A yellow line will not stop that kind of stupidity anyway, but I suppose it does give them something to tag on the driver...

I have been first on the scene of a fatal, where the driver never bothered to finish a corner, walloping a tree, and killing a young passenger... At the end of the day, nothing would really stop that, besides drivers actually being able to drive... :shutup:

edit: @ Deano... the offence is termed overtaking over (or across) double yellow lines or something like that, ie, you crossed the yellow line... I would doubt that the whole vehicle would need to be over, but that said, a bike has two wheels, which means its most likely one or the other... Also, in tight spots, you can't overtake another vehicle without being wholy over the double yellows...

[WRT]

*does quick mental calculation*

Wow, I got a camera, where's this mythical spot where you can earn $1000 per hour just for taking pictures of passing cars?

[Macktheknife]

Yeh! way cool, the cops have eventually found another way of revenue gathering, and this time it is sensible!
I've followed dorks through there that spent more time on the wrong side than they did on the left.

We cannot complain when they target crap driving as opposed to speeding.

I agree, let them ticket the crap driving practices all they want. I think it is a great idea.
If for no other reason than anything that is going to make cagers drive with more consideration then I will support it!
God knows we all would appreciate better drivers on our roads, I would even bring them a coffee while they are at it if I was closer. :Punk:

[Beemer]

I just hope that their policing of drivers crossing the centre line extends to ALL areas and not just those where there are yellow lines. (And I don't mean in legal and safe instances of overtaking.)

I was on my way to Palmerston North this morning and this stupid cow coming towards me cut the corner on a very gentle bend when she was only about 200m in front of me. Absolutely no need for it and if I hadn't been awake I would have collected her.

I have overtaken in the gorge on many occasions in the past but wouldn't try it now even if there weren't yellow lines. Too many slips and washouts to make it safe. But this does smack of revenue collecting when this kind of behaviour happens everywhere every day and yet you never see a driver ticketed for it. It's like people who can't drive in their own lane on the motorway - despite cats eyes and ripple strips they wander all over the road with no thought for other road users.

[MD]

Sounds really unfair to me. I drive through there a lot and from my observations of the drivers on our winding roads they all had valid reasons for crossing the centreline. For one- half were texting. The other half were either having similar world changing conversations on their cell phones like 'Sharon, what colour skirt do think goes best with my blah blah top?'or they were stuffing their faces or changing the CD.
From driving around Wgtn it has become quite clear to me that using a cell phone exempts you from all legislative and social laws and any form of common courtesy.

Go Mr Plod :clap: . I would give you lots of green bling if I could. This is a fantastic display of targetting a core cause of crashes- lazy and bad driving habits.

[Lou Girardin]

Revenue gathering?
Fuckin' hell, that's what the cops should be doing. I bet the wanker who claimed that was pinged by them.
They can do SH16 next.

[scumdog]

F**kin hypocrite. You either abide by all the laws or shut the fuck up..!!

So wot laws has he broke????

[The_Dover]

look, two retards arguing about both being right!! cool!!

[Ixion]

:Oi: :Playnice:. turn it up youse, this is a family show. You'll have the cops ere carryin orn like that.

[TLDV8]

So wot laws has he broke????

I have been known to clip apex's on the bike when they are white line only and am far from the perfect driver/ rider but try to show some consideration to other road users..ftr

As far as the quote...... I thought double yellow lines mean't no overtaking,not do not cross unless you can squeeze though the gap...Is this not the same person who was passed by a 18 wheeler in their lane and pushed off the road ? which was not alright but them passing vehicles in the narrow gap between vehicle and double yellow lines in the same lane (most likely on the open road,higher speed) is OK....... :confused: Why do other motorists get !@#$ed off with motorcylists..Wait a minute,there are two sets of rules,its ok to sit 2 metres off the bike in front,indicating is optional,use any lane even if there isn't one..but if a car was to do that :laugh:

They are putting a few double yellows on what is deemed high accident zones up here,Maramarua etc.......When the traffic is flowing at speed on those sections which it normally does,how hard is it to wait a km or so to pass when able too.? . In bumper to bumper on yellows i have had many cars pull right over to let me past,chance taken since they knew i was there but passing in the same lane is not legal unless it is in the road code somewhere ?..


hell I have been known to pass when there are yellow lines, but I do it legit, by remaining on the left side of the yellow, how ever this does sometimes mean passing close.

[McJim]

This doesn't affect me - my bike and riding is too gutless to overtake anything but a parked car :rofl:

[Ixion]

,,,
They are putting a few double yellows on what is deemed high accident zones up here,Maramarua etc.......When the traffic is flowing at speed on those sections which it normally does,how hard is it to wait a km or so to pass when able too.? . In bumper to bumper on yellows i have had many cars pull right over to let me past,chance taken since they knew i was there but passing in the same lane is not legal unless it is in the road code somewhere ?..

Trouble is, round Maramarua, since the Insane Yellow Paint Maniac got to work, it's not a matter of waiting for a kilometre, more like 20 kilometres.

And , yes, it is legal to overtake in the same lane, to the left of the yellow line, so long as you do not cross it

From the Road Code


You can pass at a no-passing line if: <dl><dt> [/URL] you stay on your side of the solid yellow line, and </dt><dt> (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/gfx/orange-bullet.gif)you can see 100 metres of clear road in front of you for the whole time while you are passing, and </dt><dt> [URL="http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/gfx/orange-bullet.gif"]the lane is wide enough for two vehicles</dt><dt> </dt></dl>

[Gremlin]

and to further point out from Ixion's post, to be an overtaking move... you have to be on the right of the vehicle (and obviously the left of the yellow line)

It has to be legal, otherwise you technically couldn't pass a parked car, if the road had one wide lane, without white lines for parking...

[TLDV8]

And , yes, it is legal to overtake in the same lane, to the left of the yellow line, so long as you do not cross it


I will presume that quote is from here http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/key-driving-skills/passing3.html and the pic with it seems to show a car pulled over to the far left,perhaps in a situation where it is driving well below the posted speed limit.The following car can then pass at a safe speed.
So reading between the lines,that says if a motorcycle can squeeze between the yellow line and car even if it is in the centre of the lane,go for it ? :laugh:
If the car were to pull over to the left allowing you to pass then it would be the same as suggested in the road code? which i have had done many times.
I can guarantee if you and good wife were tootling along in your automobile and i passed you at any speed on my TL in tha 2 foot gap this side of a double yellow,you wouldn't be thanking me,interpretation of the rules and all that :laugh:

Of course you are right about some of the yellows being excessive distance but given i would hardly fire the TL up for a ride of less that a few hundred kms, i survive.... SH16 with double yellows is on the cards for sure.

[Gremlin]

If you are passing on the right of the car, and do not cross the yellow lines, and do not speed, it is completely legal. Well, to the best of my understanding (have to add that caveat you see)

However, I always maintain, if a cop WANTS to roger you, he/she will find something.

edit: some cagers do not like us splitting, but from the legal view, its basically the same thing. However, if a car were to swerve, and try to block etc, you may end up over the line... however, you would hope the car would get done...

[McJim]

I thought the law was "Road user with most wheels gets benefit of the doubt" in which case we're all fucked whatever we do.

[Ixion]

..
So reading between the lines,that says if a motorcycle can squeeze between the yellow line and car even if it is in the centre of the lane,go for it ? :laugh:
,,
I can guarantee if you and good wife were tootling along in your automobile and i passed you at any speed on my TL in tha 2 foot gap this side of a double yellow,you wouldn't be thanking me,interpretation of the rules and all that :laugh:

Of course you are right about some of the yellows being excessive distance but given i would hardly fire the TL up for a ride of less that a few hundred kms, i survive.... SH16 with double yellows is on the cards for sure.

Well, I said it was legal, not necessarily wise. And hopefully if I were tootling along in my automobile I would have seen you coming up from behind in my mirror and moved left for you. Unless it was the Alfatoy, in which case even a TL might be put to it to do any passing.

What do you do if you have a journey of less than a few hundred kms to do? Walk?

[TLDV8]

What do you do if you have a journey of less than a few hundred kms to do? Walk?

Walk ?..... The closest i have come to that is a run in the car :laugh:

Four wheeled transport is different now. I have had hotted up cars from day one starting with a Mini Cooper built by my Dad,various others and by 21 years old was driving a 6.4 litre 4 speed BB Mustang and so it carried on,then going to turbo cars much later on.... What do i drive now,a small japanese stationwagon,slow and so stress free.......Speeding,forget it...easy to keep to the limit,no drama's...(Well ok,one speed camera and one nasty Matamata cop ticket)...Best thing i did was remove the temptation..
On top of that being South Auckland,i can park it anywhere without being worried about getting a dent in it,cheap third party insurance,throw bike parts,tools in the back etc etc..It even has a auto trans (first time for me)..Did i mention stress free.

[Ixion]

Sigh. I've moved the abusive stuff you know where.

Any more of it appears I'll be breaking out the infractodiddler. Enough already

[scumdog]

Sigh. I've moved the abusive stuff you know where.

Any more of it appears I'll be breaking out the infractodiddler. Enough already

Here!
That last post of mine wasn't abusive, now I'll NEVER know the truth about passing on yellow lines!

[Ixion]

Harumph. Weren't you supposesd to be in the gargre fitting knobblies? We're still waiting for a report on that .

[scumdog]

Harumph. Weren't you supposesd to be in the gargre fitting knobblies? We're still waiting for a report on that .

They don't come in my size!!!.

Can't afford any for the Sporty either - feel free to buy it and fit them yourself at your leisure!

'Sides, too busy keeping an eye on CB - see the thread 'FRAUD' to see what happens when I DON'T keep a close eye on her.

[Blind spot]

After nearly being knocked of my bike by a c###t drifting across the double yellows i say a fine is not good enough.
shoot the pricks in the back of the head on the spot.
YO all have a good weekend

[dangerous]

Sigh. I've moved the abusive stuff you know where.

Any more of it appears I'll be breaking out the infractodiddler. Enough already

Hey but, the bosses rules here is that there are none... I disagre myself, Id sooner move certain members, lets take a vote on it, reckon I know what the out come would be.

ps: on ya mate ;)

[sAsLEX]

which has double yellow lines from end to end that should not be breached.


How long is the gorge? A long time to be stuck behind someone doing 35!




Can't have one rule for them and one for us.


Why not? Most motorcycles are far smaller than a car or other vehicle weigh less and have higher power to weight ratios and spend far less time passing than other vehicles on average....... I mean the physics behind it changes due to the inherent difference in vehicle types ....


As far as I'm concerned double yellows should be used where road visibility makes it too dangerous to pass safely, not as a device to ensure no one can go faster that the slowest driver.

Blind crests and the like not ALL OF SH2!




I'd like to see failing to indicate, incorrect use of indicators and failing to heed street signs or traffic lights targeted as hard now. There's a crap load of money to be made in that area Ms Clark. Hint, hint.

Well maybe if they applied some common sense to their application then I would obey, laws that defy logic are hard for some people to follow example:

Turning right in to Barry's Point road on the shore heading to devo there is a set of lights.

When you first get the green you also get a red arrow with the green disc, now straight through traffic clears rather rapidly at all NON PEAK times and then you sit at the lights with no oncoming traffic for an extended period of time unable to safely complete your right turn due to the red arrow (note no oncoming traffic). Now a few minutes later the lights further up the road from you release traffic towards you the intends going straight through towards you, which they can as you are on a red arrow and them a green disc, except as the new stream of traffic approach , remember you have been giving way essentially to no one, they get an orange disc and then the red and once they are stopped you get the green, all the while you could of safely and easily gone well in front of the now stopped stream of traffic and they could of gone through behind you but nooooooo.........


And there is fucktins of other examples of poor uses of red arrows and such on the Shore, and I think part of the reason is the councils(?) knowing the average NZ does not really comprehend the road code and are unable to negotiate simple intersections.


What do i drive now,a small japanese stationwagon,slow and so stress free

I drive a 1.3 liter with the aerodynamic efficiency of a tissue box.

[KLOWN]

Wasnt aiming my post at you mate, hell I have been known to pass when there are yellow lines, but I do it legit, by remaining on the left side of the yellow, how ever this does sometimes mean passing close. One advantage bikes often have is we can pass much faster than a cage, well withen the 100m line of visability... all the same its a tad norty aye :dodge:

In the gorge you are not allowed to overtake even if not crossing the yellow lines (there is a sign that reads no over taking). I have overtaken many cars while in that gorge and that is where i have had my first/only accident. I was a bad boy and overtaking on a right hand bend (I had started overtaking before bend but 4X4 sped up, road clear for a LARGE distance and I could see all the road around the corner) but the merc 4x4 decided to 'cut' the corner while I was overtaking him and he almost smooshed me into the barrier on the right hand side of the road, instead of htting barrier I decided to hold my ground and the car collected me. I don't think there is any reason for the double yellow lines because you are not ment to cross the white line unless overtaking, and these double yellows are ment to stop people cutting the corner, no mention of overtaking being a problem but anyway I think its a good thing that the cops are there because when I do go through the gorge I get sick of cars cutting into my lane especially when they look right at me but do it anyway cause I got plenty of room to move over.

[scumdog]

Why not? Most motorcycles are far smaller than a car or other vehicle weigh less and have higher power to weight ratios and spend far less time passing than other vehicles on average....... I mean the physics behind it changes due to the inherent difference in vehicle types ....

Ah, but unfortunately despite all the above not all riders have a better brain than some car drivers (or if they do they don't know how to use it)...

[sAsLEX]

Ah, but unfortunately despite all the above not all riders have a better brain than some car drivers (or if they do they don't know how to use it)...

From what I have seen of most peoples attempts at passing they should ban it all together.

Dont get me started on the fucks that cruise at 80 and then speed up to 100 to make legal passing not an option for those who try to follow the law as cops sit at the end of passing lanes to get a few$$, opps sorry make the world a safer place

[dangerous]

In the gorge you are not allowed to overtake even if not crossing the yellow lines (there is a sign that reads no over taking).

and these double yellows are ment to stop people cutting the corner,
Interesting, havnt seen that sign before.
yellow lines wont stop the average wank that cuts right handers only a concrete wall or a kenworth will do that.

[sAsLEX]

Interesting, havnt seen that sign before.
yellow lines wont stop the average wank that cuts right handers only a concrete wall or a kenworth will do that.

Careful what you are saying there, soon they will cheese grater the whole lot!

[KLOWN]

Interesting, havnt seen that sign before.
yellow lines wont stop the average wank that cuts right handers only a concrete wall or a kenworth will do that.


I haven't seen the sign either but the cop who came to visit me after the crash told me it was there because i said I was trying to pass without crossing the double yellows.

[boomer]

Hey but, the bosses rules here is that there are none... I disagre myself, Id sooner move certain members, lets take a vote on it, reckon I know what the out come would be.

ps: on ya mate ;)

you cant fukin resist can ya? W**KER! of course you know the outcome, like any woman.. it's all about YOU! set the pole going and remember to put your name up big boy :)

[rok-the-boat]

Geez, I can't believe some of pro cop-tax-us-to-hell do-goodie attitude that some people have here. Get real - speed cameras are here to raise taxes. I gurantee that if everyone slowed down and they got zero taxes, they'd lower the speed limit to catch some more of us ...

No one is against safety - so put the cameras in front of schools and accident blackspots.

Privately, I have heard from a couple of cops I know (not in NZ) that they do not agree with the present money collecting system.

[Beemer]

Geez, I can't believe some of pro cop-tax-us-to-hell do-goodie attitude that some people have here. Get real - speed cameras are here to raise taxes. I gurantee that if everyone slowed down and they got zero taxes, they'd lower the speed limit to catch some more of us ...

No one is against safety - so put the cameras in front of schools and accident blackspots.

Privately, I have heard from a couple of cops I know (not in NZ) that they do not agree with the present money collecting system.

You're entitled to your opinion, as is everyone here. However, I'd just like to point out that the cameras in the gorge are NOT speed cameras, they have been installed to stop morons crossing the centre-line and getting away with it. I hate speed cameras as much as the next person, but this blitz may actually save someone's life.

[Pixie]

Trouble is, round Maramarua, since the Insane Yellow Paint Maniac got to work, it's not a matter of waiting for a kilometre, more like 20 kilometres.


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Why would anyone use the main roads in that region,anyway?

[MD]

I drive through the Manwatu Gorge about once a month. I came back from Gizzie tonight. I hate following some poofta slow prick but I would not attempt to pass any vehicle through that gorge. It's not that long so just grin and bear it . What would help is a decent chance to pass slower vehicles before you enter either end. It's a mad dash from the Woodville end to find any spot to pass a stock truck or whatever that you know will slow the whole gorge trip. Once in the gorge there is no where for a courteous truckie to let you pass, even if he wanted too- and most I meet travelling are bloody good at letting cars pass. Big thumbs up to all the truckies doing that torturous Napier-Gizzie road this week. You guys are fantastic. I was hoofing it in the car sometimes and each time I came up behind a truck they would quickly find a way to signal me and let me pass. Damn I want to get back up there on the bike.
Back to the gorge camera blitz. Thought about it as I drove through and each car that I saw crossing the centreline pissed me off (4 out of 5 were 4wds, surprise surprise... arseholes). No need for it and it's not too tight for the big trucks to keep left, like someone said earlier. Book the bastards. 35 demerits I think, ha ha.