Pissed rider on Gold SV1000S crashed in Wanganui?

[Patrick]

Was riding home from Waiouru on Tuesday 31st October just before dusk and saw three people on the side of the road, crouched over something, about 10 minutes north of Wanganui on S.H.3. Made me think something wasn't right :sherlock: so turned back to find them tending to a rider lying in long grass up against a wire fence.:gob:

Turned out he had hit a wooden barrier, taken out two rails and three buried posts!!!:gob: his bike was down off the road in bushes... neither the rider or the biker were visible and he was going to have a struggle to survive the night unnoticed if it wasn't for the observant off duty :Police: woman who noticed the rail damage as she drove past and turned back to have a look.

She found the bike, then heard snoring and found the bloke some 50 feet from his bike:gob: :gob:

Bike would be a write off, and if he wasn't found by her just as it was getting dark, my guess is he was a write off too.

It was great she found him, but TOTALLY pissed us off that he completely stunk of alcohol!!!! He was snoring because he was asleep, broken leg, stuffed hands from no gloves etc as well as the blood leaks and internal injuries and all...:shutup: :tugger:

Someone was looking out for him though... off duty cop flagged down two cars and a truck as she had no idea where the hell they were. Truckie gave her the location and the people in the two cars... one was a nurse and the other was a hospital worker too (not sure what he was...) then me, the fourth to stop...another off duty.

Luckily he wasn't too large as one Ambo officer and I lifted him into the Ambulance while the other two were working on him...

Although the pisshead got lucky, haven't heard anything more since. Anyone know of him?

EDIT: To top it all off, the Policewoman also saved a 3 week old baby the day before after it stopped breathing on its mum. She stepped in and got it going again for her...

[Str8 Jacket]

Dont diabetics wreak of alcohol type smells when they've "had a turn"?...

[skelstar]

Wow, thats one lucky loser. Good one to all that helped out.

[Patrick]

Dont diabetics wreak of alcohol type smells when they've "had a turn"?...

Didn't have the sickly sweet smell of diabetics, but I have a bit of a cold... couyld still smell the alcohol though...

[Dooly]

He was snoring?

Lucky break for the dude.

[gijoe1313]

Good grief ... his Asphalt Angel called in reinforcements! Kudos to all those people who helped out and the sharp-eyed 5-0. :gob: It's amazing to hear stories like that still - riding two wheels requires being in relative good condition and I guess you won't be for long drinking and riding! :bye:

[Str8 Jacket]

Didn't have the sickly sweet smell of diabetics, but I have a bit of a cold... couyld still smell the alcohol though...

Yeah, your probably right. Sometimes I like to try and find the good in people, but sounds like this guy was a very lucky idiot!

[XP@]

Bling for you for stopping.
Bling for the police woman.

For the rider... hang up your helmet.

[Macktheknife]

Big ups to you Patrick, and to the copper who found him, and the others who helped out.
Unfortunately, the idiot pretty much deserved to be there, what kind of fucktard reject rides drunk in the first place?!
If you should happen across the cop who found him, give sincere regards and respect for spotting skills, and looking out for us all.
If you should happen across tha idiot.... well slap him a little to check his alertness.

[Patrick]

He was snoring?

Lucky break for the dude.

Snoring his head off.. only woke when the Ambo boys were working on him...moving his busted knee probably woke him quick smart. I thought initially he may have been struggling to breathe, but no, snoring!!! He was asleep!!!

[Sniper]

Bling for you for stopping.
Bling for the police woman.

For the rider... hang up your helmet.

Couldnt have said it better.

Well done Patrick, and well done to the un-named policewomen

[Patrick]

If you should happen across the cop who found him, give sincere regards and respect for spotting skills, and looking out for us all.

Sorted... spoke to her boss today! Suggested some good press for a change!!!! I work with her here in the Naki!!!

[placidfemme]

Damn thats one lucky rider... Good onya Patrick for stopping and helping... and kudos to the police officer too!

Me thinks the biker should quit riding too...

[Patrick]

Just spoke to Michelle again, the baby rescue was earlier the same afternoon... talk about a shit day off!!! But two good results at the end of it...

[Paul in NZ]

Dont diabetics wreak of alcohol type smells when they've "had a turn"?...

No - we reek....

And its hypoglycaemia not a 'turn' (although in my case a turn is often an accurate description) :innocent:

For info go here

http://www.diabetes.org.nz/managing/hypo-t1.html

Cheers

Paul N

ps - bloody piss heads giving us Diabetics a bad name...

[Bend-it]

Well, there goes all his karma...

Advice to drunk rider:wrap yourself in cottonwool and stay home for the rest of your life!

[Squeak the Rat]

Nice work for helping the dude even if he was a dipshit. Hopefully no one needs to help him like that again.

Snoring - that really is funny though.

Big ups to the coppas involved, credit where due.

[XP@]

No - we reek....

And its hypoglycaemia not a 'turn' (although in my case a turn is often an accurate description) :innocent:

For info go here

http://www.diabetes.org.nz/managing/hypo-t1.html

Cheers

Paul N

ps - bloody piss heads giving us Diabetics a bad name...

So he may have been Hypoglycaemic not drunk?

Is there any way of telling the difference? You of course will have a sticker on your helmet, so we can see. But are there any tell tale signs?

[ManDownUnder]

No - we reek....

For info go here

http://www.diabetes.org.nz/managing/hypo-t1.html


I didn't see anything about a smell... but I understand it's like acetone?

[hellnback]

If he'd been a diabetic he'd probably not have crashed...

Can get tricky trying to ride with beer googles, hard enough trying to pick out the ugly women!!

[Paul in NZ]

So he may have been Hypoglycaemic not drunk?

Is there any way of telling the difference? You of course will have a sticker on your helmet, so we can see. But are there any tell tale signs?

The sticker think is prob a good idea but most people i ride with are well aware of my condition and I tend to be super careful about my bloods when I'm on the bike.

Sweating, the shakes, rapid talking, not making much sense... Pretty much normal for me I guess...

It's a bloody awful feeling and I'm usually drained afterwards..... Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy...

[Patrick]

[QUOTE=Speedie;809829]Snoring resps in a trauma situation like you describe Patrick, are nearly always an occluded airway

This is why helmets should come off after an accident./QUOTE]


With the noise he was making and the position he was in, I had no doubt it was snoring as in alseep from excess alcohol... but hey, I'm no expert. We monitored him throughout and as long as he was making noise, all was good enough until ambos arrived and they took the helmet off. We weren't so keen...

I always thought the helmet stayed on???? (Unless not breathing or breathing seriously restricted by it etc and C.P.R. was needed???)

[Patrick]

He wont get an insurance payout i dont think if hes charged with EBA if hospital bloods were done by Police....

Made sure the boys who arrived to deal with the crash made the necessary arrangements for a sample to be taken at Hospital...

[Beemer]

I think all diabetics would be horrified that someone would think they were stupid enough to ride drunk!

This guy needs a boot up the arse and I hope his insurance company finds out the circumstances and refuses to pay out - if he was insured.

Good work by all involved in saving his sorry arse though, well done.

[Patrick]

Found out the dudes name and he is on the mend.

To be honest, I'm not sure of the bike was an SV ir a TL but it was gold yellow metallic... rear hugger, bikini farings, instrument panel, lights, pipes, seats and levers all smashed to pieces. In the poor light, it looked like it said "SV1000S" on the downed side faring still intact under the bike.

[Ixion]

Sweating, the shakes, rapid talking, not making much sense... .

Oh, is that what does it. I always thought it was Mrs Ixion catching me using her oven to heat my crankcases again. Symptoms are much the same.

[slimjim]

:whocares: fuck should have nailed a white cross, and come back in a week's time, fucking drunks, bike or cages, nothing short of killers with eyes closed

[Lou Girardin]

Dont diabetics wreak of alcohol type smells when they've "had a turn"?...

Ketones. They're quite different.

[topher]

On yer for doing the good thing and not riding on by. I'd heard you should leave the helmet on an unconscious rider, and in fact seen a sticker on a lid to that effect.

[Headbanger]

Alrighty.

The rider in question is a good mate of mine for nearly 2 decades, and while what you are all saying about the drink is 100 percent true Im pretty shattered by the entire incident. As I said he is a good mate, a good guy, a father, and has a lovely Mrs.

His family are going through hell at the moment, They have tappped his skull to relieve the pressure, The extent of his brain injuries wont be known untill futher down the track.

If he gets back to full health then Im gonna slap him silly, But untill then he has my prayers, His kids need their dad back in good shape.


And I would like to thank all those involved in coming to his aid.

[u4ea]

headbanger thanx for the reply....

i know him too,a dam good rider........much loved.......

[Scorpygirl]

Alrighty.

The rider in question is a good mate of mine for nearly 2 decades, and while what you are all saying about the drink is 100 percent true Im pretty shattered by the entire incident. As I said he is a good mate, a good guy, a father, and has a lovely Mrs.

His family are going through hell at the moment, They have tappped his skull to relieve the pressure, The extent of his brain injuries wont be known untill futher down the track.

If he gets back to full health then Im gonna slap him silly, But untill then he has my prayers, His kids need their dad back in good shape.


And I would like to thank all those involved in coming to his aid.

Green bling sent to you!! Thanks for letting us know about your mate. Prayers and thoughts to all as he recovers. Give him a slap too from KB!! :shutup: Sorry!!:dodge:

[slimjim]

h/banger... your mate doesn't need a slap, need's to be told when he recover's, what and how close he came to been leaving a family fatherless,and he's choose of the amount of piss to put down his guts, got no time for males or females that chose this state to drive or ride, cager or biker, .............. good guy's always die before us badies

[Patrick]

Thanks for the PM U4ea but although I stand by the title, I will amend it slightly to appease ya.

No one is more pleased than me to hear that he is on the slow mend. Great to hear that he is a good dad, friend, brother etc, but he nearly left them all for the sake of too many beers.

I tell ya, 21 years experience says he was toast if he stayed out there for the night and he is just so damn lucky Michelle decided to go back for a look and found him. Headbanger confirms this, going by what they have had to do to him to keep him going so far!!!

It didn't really matter wether he was a top bloke or a shithead... we would have done the same and got stuck in to do what we could, but it is nice to know he is of the decent sorts.

I wish him a rapid recovery, so his family and mates can give him the bollocking he also deserves eventually.

It looks like Michelles antics of that day made the front page of the newspaper....Nice!!!

[u4ea]

i said thanx patrick but its still not a nice title for the thread......ammended to" biker down "may have been better!

[Patrick]

i said thanx patrick but its still not a nice title for the thread......ammended to" biker down "may have been better!

I edited the title, see first post... the thread heading I don't know how to...

[Bend-it]

So it's ok to slag someone off as long as we don't know them, but if we do then ohh, poor guy etc etc... What hypocrites!

Either it's always ok 'coz of some idiotic thing they did, or it's never ok 'coz we never know the full story.

Would make for boring conversasion if no one gets slagged off tho wouldn't it? How about we just slag people off who did something dumb but are not in danger for their lives? And coppers and auntie helen of course... ;)

[Edbear]

Bling for you for stopping.
Bling for the police woman.

For the rider... hang up your helmet.


Wot he said!

[Edbear]

Green bling sent to you!! Thanks for letting us know about your mate. Prayers and thoughts to all as he recovers. Give him a slap too from KB!! :shutup: Sorry!!:dodge:



Wot she said!

[XP@]

I am VERY sorry for his family, it is not something anyone should have to go through.

However the ad's say:
"If you drink and drive then you are a bloody idiot!"
"Drink, Drive, Die"

This is quite an easy concept to get your head round. As a father, partner and a mate he should have thought about the consequences. Remember also this time the damage was limited to himself things could have been very different, there were at least two others on the road that night (Patrick and Michelle).

The title of this thread is good, if it serves to deter another rider from picking up his keys after his glass then at least something good has come out of your mates lapse of reason.

[McJim]

Hope the dude makes a full recovery and when he does I hope it's the booze he quits not the riding (as some others have suggested).

Good on the folks that found him - shame you guys weren't on duty coz you could have then said "It was money from speeding fines that paid for the help we gave to save his life!"

I hope this has a happy ending - kind regards to the family.

[festus]

Yeah, your probably right. Sometimes I like to try and find the good in people, but sounds like this guy was a very lucky idiot!


AYouall want to get the facts right before shooting off at the mouth with the fuckin remarks arseholes!.

The guy was my brother, he had 1 bottle of beer after a hard day on the job, police have taken blood and I'm sure the results will speak for thamselves.

For the fuckin records he sustained a brain injury, severity unknown, broken jaw upper and lower with 4 lost rear teeth, broken main shoulder (skapular?), punchured lung, broken ribs and your assorted grazes etc etc.......

Don't hang a man till the facts are clear ya fuckin homos!.......

[Str8 Jacket]

Don't hang a man till the facts are clear ya fuckin homos!.......

Hey man, im sorry. I had actually suggested that it may have not been the alcohol right from the start so before you start hurling abuse maybe, just maybe you should read the thread properly! I actually got quite a few red reps when I suggested that maybe the alcohol smell may have been diabetes. But I am sorry for your brother, I hope he makes a good recovery.

[Edbear]

The guy was my brother, he had 1 bottle of beer after a hard day on the job, ... Don't hang a man till the facts are clear



Appreciate your post, Festus and point taken. It must be very tough on your family right now, especially as some here have noted your brother was a good bloke and a good rider.

Sometimes 1 beer "after a hard day" can be all it takes to lose that edge of concentration, especially on a bike. We'd appreciate knowing more about the circumstances, though of course it may be only when he can speak that the full facts may become known. The Police can make and educated guess from the site but only your brother will know exactly, (hopefully).

I'm sure I speak for most KB'rs when I say we all wish him well and offer our sympthies to his wife and kids and to you all.

[festus]

Snoring his head off.. only woke when the Ambo boys were working on him...moving his busted knee probably woke him quick smart. I thought initially he may have been struggling to breathe, but no, snoring!!! He was asleep!!!

Had time to read the rest of these bullshit comments of yours mate, you are full of shit!, he was not asleep, he was unconscious, he was struggling to breath cause he had a fuckin puntured lung........

Also he was riding a TL1000S!......

BTW he did not have a busted knee either pal!.......no injuries to legs at all....

[Patrick]

Had time to read the rest of these bullshit comments of yours mate, you are full of shit!, he was not asleep, he was unconscious, he was struggling to breath cause he had a fuckin puntured lung........

Also he was riding a TL1000S!......

BTW he did not have a busted knee either pal!.......no injuries to legs at all....

Full of shit???? I was there...

Ambos moved his leg and the moment they did, he semi came to and stopped snoring...

It was an Ambo call about the broken leg, not mine, but couldn't help but notice the knee pad that had been completely ripped out of his leathers. I lifted the stretcher at the feet end and got blood on my boots and pants so I am surprised he had no leg injuries...

HIs injuries are not surprising... he hit the raised drain culvert at the scene and his safety equipment (helmet, leathers etc) did better than average in saving him...

See my post #28.... I couldn't tell if it was an SV or a TL due to the damage, but is it important?

The important point here was he was going to be dead if he stayed out there overnight. He wasn't going to be seen by people driving past. Michelle spotted damage to the fence railing only and went back for a look because she had a feeling something wasn't right. If she didn't, it went dark 10 minutes later and he had already been there for some time unseen. The bike engine was barely warm to the touch. From the injuries you have pointed out, he is lucky to have been found when he was. I wish him, and his family, well in his recovery.

The alcohol smell was very strong, even with my cold I had at the time. Everyone commented about it, Ambo, Police, nurse etc... and yes, the blood results will show...

Fair comment about hanging him out to dry before the full story is known, for that I apologise unreservedly and am happy to be proved wrong (I often am, my wife proves this regularly enough...).

Michelle saved your brothers life...she spotted something no one else had and went back for a look. I was happy just to help out, no matter what. For all the shit we cops get on here, it was an "attempt" for some positive press instead for a change...

As for the abuse... whatever.... I'll see him sometime personally to wish him well and offer my apologies if I have pissed him off over anything...

[marty]

well maybe once the matter has been to court and the the result of the '1' bottle of beer is known, then we can comment more.

[Joni]

Just a quick note guys - this thread was moved back into the "public arena" because we saw the value of the discussion... No problems with people giving their opinions... but keep it clean and abuse free please.

[McJim]

But isn't the F*cked up thing in this country? Anything that happens goes to court and even if you're blameless and found innocent YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY THE LEGAL COSTS?!?!?

So the Police can happily stuff up every judgement call they make knowing it won't affect them but that innocent people may be pushed to the brink of losing their houses over legal costs they should never have had to pay in the first place?

Tell me it ain't so please - tell me there is always a full reimbursement to the accused of all losses of earnings and legal expenses if they are found to be innocent of the charges.

I am hoping this is false and just another piece of Anti NZ Propoganda designed to make me return to the UK.

[Macktheknife]

Just curious has anyone else received abusive PM's from Festus?
I wish the guy a speedy recovery and peace to his family.

[ManDownUnder]

Hey festus, anything we can do for you or your brother?

[Shaun]

Any one that has got abused on here either on the board or through a PM dam well deserves it as far as I can see

All the critics of this rider need to take a look in there own closet first!

And for any so called Biker to get on here and abuse another for some thing they (May) have done is -uckin pathetic, call your selves brothers, when all you really are a bunch of wanabe red necks who know how to fix the world at the push of a button

The next time any of you brake the law, remember what you have said here about a man who was/is very badly hurt, and then remember the hurt you have forced onto his family because of your big insensitive mouths

[Joni]

Well put Shaun... I reckon the lynch Mob of KB should always remember there are people and families attached to the situation they are attacking.

[Wenier]

After reading this whole thread, i can see how this would upset the people who know the rider in question. But for Festus why not correct the facts, instead of abusing the people who are going on the facts they have been told or know.

I mean if he wasnt your brother or no one on here knew him and the report was that he smelled of alcohol what would you think. Most people would probably think what an idiot. So correct people first before abusing them, they were just going on what they knew.

For the taking a helmet off at a crash i thought it was leave the helmet on but undo the strap so to relieve any pressure by the strap but not have the head out of the helmet incase of any injuries that could be aggrovated.

[Paul in NZ]

Well to have such staunch mates he must be a good guy - good onya for sticking by him. However, reading those posts when you are personally involved tends to tip you view a bit the harsher way. Reading them objectively sees a bit of a more normal reaction.

As for dissing another 'brother' biker etc. KB is still about the biggest 'community' I've ever seen as most bikers would not cross to road to piss on another biker if he was on fire. People don't even wave anymore. KB might change that. But I can tell you that if you ride a different kind of bike to the average joe you are invisible to them. Biking community? Nah - not yet.

[Riff Raff]

After reading this whole thread, i can see how this would upset the people who know the rider in question. But for Festus why not correct the facts, instead of abusing the people who are going on the facts they have been told or know.
Due to limited access to a computer, Festus only read the first page of the thread and responded to what he initially read. I moved this thread out of the public forum and consulted with him as to what he wanted done. He hasn't been able to read the rest of the comments because the thread has only gone public again today, as per his wishes. How do you think you'd react if there was a thread about one of your loved ones who'd crashed?


For the taking a helmet off at a crash i thought it was leave the helmet on but undo the strap so to relieve any pressure by the strap but not have the head out of the helmet incase of any injuries that could be aggrovated.
The most important thing is airway and breathing - if that's not adequate then the helmet must come off. If they're not breathing then they will die.

[ManDownUnder]

Well put Shaun... I reckon the lynch Mob of KB should always remember there are people and families attached to the situation
they are attacking. Must spread the rep etc...

What she said! :niceone:

[Paul in NZ]

Due to limited access to a computer, Festus only read the first page of the thread and responded to what he initially read. I moved this thread out of the public forum and consulted with him as to what he wanted done. He hasn't been able to read the rest of the comments because the thread has only gone public again today, as per his wishes. How do you think you'd react if there was a thread about one of your loved ones who'd crashed?


The most important thing is airway and breathing - if that's not adequate then the helmet must come off. If they're not breathing then they will die.

People post 'crash' stuff all the time - why not just delete the damn thread - it serves no point or purpose.

Every person who ever did anything daft or news worthy has relatives and family that are blameless. KB comment didn't cause the accident which is the root of the trouble. If you don't like it - don't read it is the advice I've been given time after time...

[ManDownUnder]

People post 'crash' stuff all the time - why not just delete the damn thread - it serves no point or purpose.


I'd disagree with you there.

1) It's brought up the issue of a biker down. A common enough posting (unfortunately)
2) It's also brought out a range of responses from a range of people, which in the possible fullness of time might see the light of day.

I'll personally vouch for Mack's initial reaction. It appears to have been off target but I can understand the reasons for writing what he did.

For the record, he's the guy that went fucken MILES out of his way a few weeks back to make sure I didn't do anything involving booze and driving. Miles out of his way, and spent most of a wet Sunday helping me clean up the mess my sorry arse got into by mistake. A top man I'd trust when the chips are down.

That being said, festus has jumped to the defence of his brother based on what's been written about his brother. And rightly so. If my brother or sister, or a friend, were banged up in an accident I'd be screaming at anyone that put forward firm views on the subject... but happend to be incorrect for whatever reason.

[Joni]

Sorry MDU but I tend to agree with Paul - these rider down, or RIP threads cause more damage than good, there have been times when we have all been RIP'sing and the poor bugger is not even dead... we have a thread about "discussing accidents" and I feel that until KB can take a more mature approach towards discussing these types of things maybe they should not be discussed.

[The_Dover]

i'll add my sensible 2c of the day, spend it wisely now kids.

I think we should avoid these threads because I'm sick of wankers (and we ALL masturbate occasionally, some of us more occasionally than others) expressing fake emotion and outpourings of grief over people so far removed from them that it's sickening. Hell, we all wear shoes, do we get all upset when another shoe wearer passes away?

And on the other hand, as in this case, scorn and disapproval because they incorrectly thought someone had ridden off the road pissed.

People die, it's bad. People ride after a beer, it's bad. I'd rather take the piss than judge cos I'm no fuckin angel and life's stressful enough.

Or maybe we should all just say what we think people want to hear, mmkay?

[Grantasaurus]

Even idiots sometimes deserve a second chance.....

Who knows, he might go on to preach against drink driving/ riding after this and stop more shit like this happening.

Why on earth you would ride drunk I'll never know, you need balance and complex motor skills even more so on a bike than in a car. I've never once been tempted.

[marty]

But isn't the F*cked up thing in this country? Anything that happens goes to court and even if you're blameless and found innocent YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY THE LEGAL COSTS?!?!?

So the Police can happily stuff up every judgement call they make knowing it won't affect them but that innocent people may be pushed to the brink of losing their houses over legal costs they should never have had to pay in the first place?

Tell me it ain't so please - tell me there is always a full reimbursement to the accused of all losses of earnings and legal expenses if they are found to be innocent of the charges.

I am hoping this is false and just another piece of Anti NZ Propoganda designed to make me return to the UK.

so the guy who's found not guilty because of a legal loophole should be reimbursed? or the guy who's found not guilty because only 11 (instead of 12) thought he was guilty?

unfortunately being found 'innocent' is not available here. i think it's scotland that has that finding.

and i'm sure if the police stuffed up EVERY prosecution that the judiciary would start awading costs - they do now for some matters.

of course, on the flip side, there's wankers bleeding millions out of legal aid when EVERYONE knows they're guilty in the first place - when they're found guilty should they be made to pay for their wasted defence? if you drove pissed, got legal aid, tried to get off on a technicality, but got found guilty, and the law was that you had to pay for your failed defence, would you?

[98tls]

Hey its a human being and fellow motorcyclist down and hurt....Festus i hope your brother makes a full and speedy recovery......

[The Pastor]

But isn't the F*cked up thing in this country? Anything that happens goes to court and even if you're blameless and found innocent YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY THE LEGAL COSTS?!?!?

So the Police can happily stuff up every judgement call they make knowing it won't affect them but that innocent people may be pushed to the brink of losing their houses over legal costs they should never have had to pay in the first place?

Tell me it ain't so please - tell me there is always a full reimbursement to the accused of all losses of earnings and legal expenses if they are found to be innocent of the charges.

I am hoping this is false and just another piece of Anti NZ Propoganda designed to make me return to the UK.


so the guy who's found not guilty because of a legal loophole should be reimbursed? or the guy who's found not guilty because only 11 (instead of 12) thought he was guilty?

unfortunately being found 'innocent' is not available here. i think it's scotland that has that finding.

and i'm sure if the police stuffed up EVERY prosecution that the judiciary would start awading costs - they do now for some matters.

of course, on the flip side, there's wankers bleeding millions out of legal aid when EVERYONE knows they're guilty in the first place - when they're found guilty should they be made to pay for their wasted defence? if you drove pissed, got legal aid, tried to get off on a technicality, but got found guilty, and the law was that you had to pay for your failed defence, would you?

All I know is everytime you show up in cort it cost $130 bucks at least, even if the charge agaisnt you is found to be false/untrue/your innocent. Its happend to me more than once. (and also to my grandfather) The nice thing is that judges generally dispise traffic cops, every time ive been in there the judge has had a big go at the police for wasting time, and Im the one who has to PAY for that time >_<

Surely they would of breath tested the guy on the scene? I know they test me everytime I crash, weather im in the abmbulance or stuck under a hedge! :sick: Im gussesing they breath tested him, he failed and they took a boold sample?

[marty]

you guess wrong.

[McJim]

so the guy who's found not guilty because of a legal loophole should be reimbursed? or the guy who's found not guilty because only 11 (instead of 12) thought he was guilty?

Yes, of course, absolutely.

If the guilty are found NOT guilty that is a failing in the justice system - not an excuse to go around bankrupting the innocent and allowing the police more teeth than they should be entitled to.

[Edbear]

I know they test me everytime I crash,



:gob: Just how often do you crash...!!!???:sick:

[sunhuntin]

:gob: Just how often do you crash...!!!???:sick:

every other week.

i dont recall seeing anything about this in the papers, and never had it mentioned to me by any of the bikers here in town. so, though its a big deal on here, it cant have been that bad if it never made the papers [of that im certain...i remember bike accident reports.]

[Patrick]

every other week.

i dont recall seeing anything about this in the papers, and never had it mentioned to me by any of the bikers here in town. so, though its a big deal on here, it cant have been that bad if it never made the papers [of that im certain...i remember bike accident reports.]

It did make the front page of the Taranaki Daily News:zzzz: But only because of Michelles exploits on her day off, not the crash itself...

[Edbear]

It did make the front page of the Taranaki Daily News:zzzz: But only because of Michelles exploits on her day off, not the crash itself...



Man, if I crashed my bike and hurt myself, I'd like a big fuss to be made over me! Of course only if I wasn't in the wrong, like being charged for careless, or DIC or some such... :bye: Just if I was a victim...:innocent:

[The Pastor]

:gob: Just how often do you crash...!!!???:sick:

twice :dodge: it should of been "every time that I have crashed"

[Hitcher]

it should of been "every time that I have crashed"

It should have been.

[festus]

Back home now, the pc on the rig bloody too slow, men queing up for it and so forth, so could not really put in the time to read, think and reply appropriately............also had the time to cool down and take stock of this fucked up situation myself and my family has found itself in.........

Yes I've abused some here, bloody deserved it too. Too many people on here too quick to jump in and put the boot in when all the facts are unknown.

To slander a fellow biker, I find that abhorrent.

For those who asked after my brother and wished him well, thank you.

At this stage it appears (in my view) that speed was the major factor in this accident. My brother appears to have just wiped out on a straight bit of road before entering a slight right sweeper, so its a mystery how this happened, maybe a car exiting the sweeper on his side of the road, speed wobble and then a highside seems more likely with huge speed, he's hit the road with a hell of a force, this may well be a mystery as Butch does not appear to remember, and most likely never will.

He is back in the Wanganui ICU where he has a very long healing process to endure. He has a brain injury, extent unknown, but after 2 weeks has made good progress.

To the people who helped Butch in his hour of need, Michelle (who the family will thank personally in due course), the ambo's, Patrick (although your comments here pissed me off!) and the others, I wish to thank whole heartily.
Our family will be forever grateful that Michelle stopped that evening.

[Robbo]

Hey Festus

That's good news. At a time like this the only thing relevant is a full and speedy recovery.
Best regards to Butch and your family.

Cheers

[Robbo]

And a BIG Award to Patrick and Michelle, they obviously saved Butch"s life that day. This could have easily been any one of us and to know that there are people like them out there with such skills as foresight and observation is a comfort.
Well Done to you both.

Cheers

[Dazza]

Hey Festus,What do ya say, hope things turn out ok for Butch.From the Guys from the Naki that met up with you @ Whanga awhile back. Regards Darren

[festus]

Hey Festus,What do ya say, hope things turn out ok for Butch.From the Guys from the Naki that met up with you @ Whanga awhile back. Regards Darren

Cheers mate, will be spending a bit of time in the Naki for a while, so will keep in touch and hook up for a beer............cheers

[chanceyy]

even though the healing process will be a long one Festus I am glad your brother was found in time

I also understand your anger, ... I just hope the posters who were quick to jump to conclusions may learn something from it ..


kudos to Michelle & Patrick for asssting him

just need to remember perceptions may not be correct

[Paul in NZ]

Sorry - I'm confused? (no really - it seems to happen often these days) What caused the accident again and did the blood tests come back under or over the limit?

There was talk of diabetes (my interest) but I'm guessing thats not the case??

[slimjim]

yea Festus, post as many fucking little red dot's as you can see, but now your giving a reason about crashing on a straight bit of road, and speed was a factor,, really....and too slander.....fucking hell of a lot better than saying gee he'll be saddly missed.

[Joni]

Ok guys - this thread has been removed form the forums once before... we then decided that we would place it back here as there was a value in the subject.

No abuse please, else this thread will be closed. By abuse I mean in the thread, via rep and definately via pm... I have seen some of the pm's and rep going back and forth as a result of this thread, and its not on.

State your opinion without abuse, or keep it off KB. I undertsand that emotions are hightened as this is a highly intense and personal subject, but I dont want another complaint about this thread. Consider yourselves tripple warned, infractions come next.

[Patrick]

FESTUS... have learned that there was no alcohol in your brothers blood, so the heading originally for this thread was wrong and you have my deepest apologies for this.

Hope your brother is progressing well??

Can't explain the alcohol smells I was getting off him though (geez I know alcohol smells...) and even you said he had one beer after work... even that didn't register.

For those who got red repped for slagging off, sorry to you too as it was my post that got it all going...

However, was pleased to stop and help no matter what... It was good to see that other people stopped and helped, gives me faith in the good nature of most... it could be any one of us next time....

[The Pastor]

Cops get it wrong? geeez who would of known?

How is he doing now?

[Squeak the Rat]

Cops get it wrong? geeez who would of known?


Nah, wrong interpretation dude.

Respect to patrick for having a) the concern to follow this up, and b) the balls to apologise long since the incident was forgotten by most KB'ers.

I hope your bro is well festus.

[The Pastor]

Nah, wrong interpretation dude.


Was a bit of a cheap shot at general traffic police, not patrick.

[festus]

Cheers Patrick..........

Although Butch does not remember a thing about the accident, and has also lost huge amounts of memory pre-accident, he had had a couple of pints and a feed prior to the accident I've been told, never disputed that, as said, I have a couple of beers myself, and the missus always knows cause of the 'beer breath', if you know what I mean.......

Anyway, Butch is progressing well, is now mobile around Wanganui on a new bike (mountain bike that is), so as you can guess, he has come a long way since the accident last oct-nov.
He still has short term memory issues, gets tired easily etc, and his shoulder is still very sore, but physically he's pretty good, just the top 2 inches is gonna take some time to come right...........Festus

[Sensei]

Excellent new Festus , all the best to Butchs full recovery from the Naki guys & hope to see you guys again sometime at Whanga even if its two up on your TL:Punk:
Scott

[Paul in NZ]

He still has short term memory issues, gets tired easily etc, and his shoulder is still very sore,

Shit - that sounds like me on a good day...

[Macktheknife]

Hey Festus,
Glad to hear your Bro is getting better, all the best to you all.
Patrick, cheers for clearing up the situation.

[ManDownUnder]

have been.

tsk tsk tsk... has been

[Hitcher]

tsk tsk tsk... has been

Who are you calling a has-been?

[ManDownUnder]

Who are you calling a has-been?

No-one. I've heard those words many times and I felt obligated to share my knowledge

edit - hitch... did your arse get infarcted for taking this thread off topic earlier? Just cursious... coz I can see I'm lining up for that very fate.... but only if I click that little "Post" butt...

[Patrick]

he had had a couple of pints and a feed prior to the accident I've been told, never disputed that, as said, I have a couple of beers myself, and the missus always knows cause of the 'beer breath', if you know what I mean.......



Good news. As above, that is the part that still throws me... beer breath was right up there at the time, but anyway, that is no longer important. Good to hear he is up and about, mending and all...