Holy F#ck 700 million goverment offer [Archive]

Squeak the Rat

3rd November 2006, 08:41

I'm all for money being spent to provide facilities for the rugby world cup, but FFS we've got a stadium, but all the residents who bought houses near the stadium complain too loud about it being used as a stadium. Like buying a house next to the speedway and complaining about the noise.

Look at how long it takes to a) get resource consent, and b) get any major infrastructure work done in this country.

My money is on a last minute rushed botched job costing even mo' money...

Swoop

3rd November 2006, 08:52

700 million would be a bargain!
Once the resource consent / designers / inflation blowout gets added we would expect an increase to at least double the amount.

WHY does the gubbinment want a stadium on the waterfront???? So we can be like Sydney (The "Nuns in a scrum" building) or New Yoik (Statue of Liberty), etc etc...

Put the money into finishing off Eden park if they have to...
Or hold it all in Wellington/Christchurch!

Stupid fuckin game.......

placidfemme

3rd November 2006, 08:53

wait.... are you telling me aucklanders want a stadium instead of new roads now?

oh.... they want both.....

stuff you aucklanders, we need some roads fixed down here!

Um... you say that like we actually have a fucking choice?

Fuck a new stadium... That money could be better spent 10000 other ways

James Deuce

3rd November 2006, 08:54

How about that $.5 million for those poor bastards poisoned by dioxin in the 'Naki?

Mole_C

3rd November 2006, 08:59

Time to write some angry letters and tell them to spend some $50 building a model stadium then put the rest into roads?

Squeak the Rat

3rd November 2006, 09:01

The logic is that the $700m is an investment. Build a quality stadium and doing a good job of hosting the world cup, and the revenue generated will bring in loads of tourist and advertising dollars, stimulate the economy, and earn more tax for the government.

Paying money to people who have already been shafted does nothing for the government coffers. Better to hide the data and employ corrupt practices of hiring biased 'independant' consultants.......

Flyingpony

3rd November 2006, 09:06

But Auckland already has got so many stadiums so why do they need another one?

Wouldn't this new stadium block the sea view of those sitting on Queen street drinking their coffee?

adiddy

3rd November 2006, 09:12

when the government has $1billion in surplus per year you wonder where they put this $$$$ huh??? they can afford it they just dont want to dont see what your problem is it is going to bring in over $1billion when the world cup is here in 2011?!

The Stranger

3rd November 2006, 09:16

wait.... are you telling me aucklanders want a stadium instead of new roads now?

oh.... they want both.....

stuff you aucklanders, we need some roads fixed down here!

Fix your own roads and stop moaning!

The Stranger

3rd November 2006, 09:21

But Auckland already has got so many stadiums so why do they need another one?

And if they did, why put in the centre of a congested city anyway?

Wouldn't this new stadium block the sea view of those sitting on Queen street drinking their coffee?

Never been to Queen st have you?

Hoon

3rd November 2006, 11:00

Awesome...bout time we got a decent Rugby venue in Auckland. Eden park had its day but with all the NIMBY's and the money needed to be spent to upgrade it for the World Cup, it makes sense to build a bigger better venue.
Hopefully they utilize Eden Park as well for WC games so then that'll be two lots of matches us fortunate Aucks can see.

Go Helen "Get me to the game on time" Clark!!

I'm glad I like rugby because it would suck to be a Rugby hater in NZ!!

Magua

3rd November 2006, 11:25

makes me so angry, taxes will go up, congestion will be bad, our failing public transport system will fail even more so,

Ummm, what the fuck? Britomart is just across the road? It's in a perfect spot for public transport. All the trains stop in Britomart as opposed to the double line and shit house small station out to Eden Park?

Any excuse to bitch about the current government.

James Deuce

3rd November 2006, 11:26

How many trains go from the North Shore to Britomart?

The_Dover

3rd November 2006, 11:30

those fuckin scum can get the fairy ferry from gayhameboyrapists house.

scracha

3rd November 2006, 11:35

It's obviously a government priority. Hell, I'd have been just as angry if they'd spent 700 million upgrading Taupo's track without asking us first.

Whynot

3rd November 2006, 11:43

How many trains go from the North Shore to Britomart?

north shore people don't count :)

Flyingpony

3rd November 2006, 11:55

And if they did, why put in the centre of a congested city anyway?

Never been to Queen st have you?
From what I understand, the stadium will be located on the water front near Auckland. To me that means Viaduct Basin. From the 2yrs I've live on the North Shore, that would place it roughly near Queen St and I think there are coffee shops down the bottom end (opposite end from K' Rd) near the large fence with empty space behind it. Seeing how large it is, wouldn't that block the view?

James Deuce

3rd November 2006, 11:56

*Adds Whynot to the list*

I'm from there sonny.

Flyingpony

3rd November 2006, 11:58

How many trains go from the North Shore to Britomart?

None. There is no rail connection between Auckland and North Shore. Britomart only services south and west (I think).

James Deuce

3rd November 2006, 12:00

*Adds Flyingpony to "Clueless Muppet" list*

Ixion

3rd November 2006, 12:01

There is however a ferry service. Which terminates at the Ferry Building next door to Britomart. An incredibly sensible planner (ie the sort we don't have) would actually include a pier or wharf in the stadium design.

But does anyone imagine that they will actually run trains at the weekends, when the stadium would be in use. Dream on.

Magua

3rd November 2006, 12:02

How many trains go from the North Shore to Britomart?

The northern busway with it's park and ride stations will be finished within a year or two...

James Deuce

3rd November 2006, 12:04

*Adds Magua to the "Clueless Muppet" list also, but with a special warning that he may need upgrading to the "Clueless Dolt" list.*

Magua

3rd November 2006, 12:06

*Confused, Magua walks away..* :mellow:

The_Dover

3rd November 2006, 12:07

a mate of mine took the train to Eden Park for the Lions vs Auckland game.

The first 20 mins were a real contest, I enjoyed telling him all about when he finally got there......

scumdog

3rd November 2006, 12:11

The furore about building it might take the heat off the Western Springs???

I would sooner the money was spent on a solid gold Zeppelin, at least then when later on everybody realise how little use it was they could sell the sucker.

The_Dover

3rd November 2006, 12:13

I would sooner the money was spent on a solid gold Zeppelin, at least then when later on everybody realise how little use it was they could sell the sucker.

yeah right, it would be stolen and stripped for parts before it was even finished

Swoop

3rd November 2006, 15:49

north shore people don't count :)
Some do not read or write either....

when the government has $1billion in surplus..
Only 1 billion? I thought it was more than that.

And if they did, why put in the centre of a congested city anyway?
With all that spare parking.........

I'm from there sonny.
Where abouts + how long?

James Deuce

3rd November 2006, 16:19

Where abouts + how long?

Grew up in Glenfield, left home at 19 I think (lots of dead brain cells betwixt here and there) and lived all over Auckland (except West) until I got married and moved to Wellington in '88 at the age of 23.

Maha

3rd November 2006, 16:42

gee's heard that the goverment is to assit with a 700 hundred million fuck i can only guess what sort of tax increase this is going to inpact us,

Dont fret slimjim, theres still $300 million left in the kitty from Tabacco tax alone..:yes:
Big thanks to all those smokers out there that help make this stadium possible. The irony is.....it will be a 'smokefree' stadium....:angry:

sAsLEX

3rd November 2006, 17:00

NIMBY's
Not In My Back Yard.....

those fuckin scum can get the fairy ferry from gayhameboyrapists house.

Not much parking there mate

They cant get Resource Consent through in the time they have anyways.

Swoop

4th November 2006, 17:18

Grew up in Glenfield, ...
Top O' the bays myself, until following the gold trail.

Grahameeboy

4th November 2006, 17:41

Just look at what is happening to North Shore Stadium......and it is only rugby......sorry did I say the wrong thing?

Grahameeboy

4th November 2006, 17:43

those fuckin scum can get the fairy ferry from gayhameboyrapists house.

See ya tonite then Dover...yeah you know you want it...........late night ferry as well...

adiddy

7th November 2006, 17:51

Some do not read or write either....

Only 1 billion? I thought it was more than that.

With all that spare parking.........

Where abouts + how long?

oh prolly is im just saying least the money will bring in more than spent on i t

Swoop

7th November 2006, 19:57

oh prolly is im just saying least the money will bring in more than spent on i t
We have an interesting situation, where an organisation has gone out and solicited an event, then returned the offer to the NZ gubbinment with cap-in-hand.
The pointy ball game of rugby is a professional game. Some players earning more than a million dollars, corporate sponsorships, etc, etc.
The 11b surplus belongs to the taxpayers for the benefit of the nation, health, care for the elderly, roads, education, etc. The game of rugby should be self funding and since we have an abundance of stadiums throughout this land of ours, perhaps holding the games in established stadiums would be a better use of resources.

James Deuce

7th November 2006, 20:05

It's alright. The Portmaster, or CEO of the Port of Aucklnad, or whatever the hell they call people who have a job that means helping people use the harbour for profit and pleasure said that they can't have it done by 2011 because of the disruption to port operations. So there. Nyah.

Lou Girardin

7th November 2006, 20:32

It'll end up at 1 billion plus. All for a minority sport that the rest of the world doesn't even know about.
Sad fuckers!

Swoop

8th November 2006, 08:01

It'll end up at 1 billion plus. All for a minority sport that the rest of the world doesn't even know about.
Sad fuckers!

Have I ever told you how much I like you?????

JMemonic

8th November 2006, 08:26

Let them waste yours and my money on this stadium, have it host a couple of games that will be shown all over the world and watch it not boost tourism, then get some corporation to sponsor it and go to ruin.

Heck I am not even a rugby follower but I recall recent news saying the the south Island will not see an All Blacks test for the next season (or was that just Dunedin). As was said now days rugby is a business with players reaping fantastic pay and the governing body doing the same from television rights yet they still seem to get government assistance.

Where is the money for some of our other sports, they could not even get together and sort out the V8 street cars, what about some money to build a world class track to get some international motor sports out here.

In this country if it ain't rugby it ain't sport, we could always refer to the last games medal tally and the areas that we always used to collect a couple of medals (shooting comes to mind) but in this pc everyone must feel good era we have now those sports are scorned but legislation, hmm a bit like motor sports really it uses fuel and produces carbon emissions wonder how long it will be before we don't even host the rally circuit due to some pc overly green zealot complaining.

MisterD

8th November 2006, 08:40

It'll end up at 1 billion plus. All for a minority sport that the rest of the world doesn't even know about.
Sad fuckers!

Sorry Lou, but the RWC actually comes in at #3 in global sports event charts after the Olympics and the Football WC.

I still say we should demolish that Pacific Events place in Manukau and put a proper stadium there.

Then we can redevelop Eden Park as a proper full size cricket ground!:sunny:

Hitcher

8th November 2006, 08:49

I thought Geoff Vazey, as the CEO of Ports of Auckland, has explained this very nicely. Yes, it's feasible to build "Stadium Aotearoa" (puh-lease) on the Bledisloe Wharf site, but not in time for RWC 2011. He has to move most of his current port operations before any work can start, which involves reclaiming a significant chunk of new land out of the harbour.

The Gummint claims that its experts have a different view. They should make that public.

I'm also curious to know why the Government believes this facility can be built without having to dip into the public purse and, if this is true, why the Government is involved at all.

And don't get me started on the "benefits" of the RWC. Suffice it to say I think it has fucked rugby in New Zealand.

James Deuce

8th November 2006, 09:03

Sorry Lou, but the RWC actually comes in at #3 in global sports event charts after the Olympics and the Football WC.

I still say we should demolish that Pacific Events place in Manukau and put a proper stadium there.

Then we can redevelop Eden Park as a proper full size cricket ground!:sunny:

Who made that stat up? A single F1 round demolishes the combined earnings of the RWC in revenue.

Lou's right. Fuck all people in the UK know or care about Rugby (League or Union) and it was invented there. Rugby is a Toff's sport and if you didn't go to the right school, you don't represent England. You may get into the Lions. Bit different from NZ or Australia's approach. Rugby is seen as a soft option in the US, compared to the NFL.

League was invented to keep the lower classes away from the Toff's.

roogazza

8th November 2006, 09:26

Helens parting gift, "HELEN CLARK STADIUM " Gaz.

MisterD

8th November 2006, 09:43

Fuck all people in the UK know or care about Rugby (League or Union) and it was invented there.

Bullshit, just because rugby is number two to football, that does not equate to "Fuck all"

Rugby is a Toff's sport and if you didn't go to the right school, you don't represent England. You may get into the Lions. Bit different from NZ or Australia's approach.

Also bullshit....Jason Robinson, Andy Farrell, Micky Skinner, Peter Winterbottom.....

Rugby is seen as a soft option in the US, compared to the NFL.

And again....you just don't have the same earnings potential, there's no way most of those steroid-inflated lumps would part with their body armour.

League was invented to keep the lower classes away from the Toff's.
League was invented to allow working people to be paid travelling expenses in breach of Union's "amateur" code

The_Dover

8th November 2006, 09:49

League was invented to allow working people to be paid travelling expenses in breach of Union's "amateur" code

bullshit, it was for fick cunts that couldn't understand all the rules of proper rugby and wanted to wear poofy shiney shorts and hump the ground

Squeak the Rat

8th November 2006, 09:49

Bullshit, just because rugby is number two to football, that does not equate to "Fuck all" It is relatively fuck all. Even in Aus, I was in a pub that was showing 3 concurrent sporting events, a standard game of NRL league, a game of aussie rules, and a Wallabie test. The sound was on for the league in preference to a national rugby test.

I see in the paper today that the government has now told the auckland council(s) to sort it out or else......

James Deuce

8th November 2006, 09:59

Bullshit, just because rugby is number two to football, that does not equate to "Fuck all"

I've lived there. It barely makes it into the paper, and gloriously there are only ever highlights on the state broadcaster's channels. It really doesn't rate and it isn't 2nd to football. F1 is.

Big Dave

8th November 2006, 10:06

Union and league interest is inverted at some point crossing the Tasman.

Super 14 over there gets the coverage the local League does here.

Interest in the Union test matches has grown in the professional era, but the basketball draws bigger crowds that club Rugby.

Cricket is king.

MisterD

8th November 2006, 10:34

I've lived there. It barely makes it into the paper, and gloriously there are only ever highlights on the state broadcaster's channels. It really doesn't rate and it isn't 2nd to football. F1 is.

I'm from there and I grew up playing and watching all three codes.....I should think the snooker is still rating better than F1.

James Deuce

8th November 2006, 10:39

Even if it is, Snooker is rating higher than Rugby then, isn't it?

MisterD

8th November 2006, 11:34

Even if it is, Snooker is rating higher than Rugby then, isn't it?

Ok, yeah, funny.

There's enough money in Rugby that Tom Walkinshaw took money out of his motorracing to put into a team....people watch F1 cos it's there on TV and if you fall asleep half way through (as you do) nothing will have changed when you wake up. It's an easy highlights package to do (Start, couple of pit-tops, finish, champagne spraying done). It's the sporting equivalent of Coronation Street and just as boringly predictable.

Nobody cares about F1. The top motorsport in the UK is probably rallying with all those weirdos in bobble-hats and anoraks standing around in forests....

The_Dover

8th November 2006, 11:36

i dunno, that lawn-mower racing is really catching on.

James Deuce

8th November 2006, 11:38

Don't forget the Morris Dancing.

Ivan

8th November 2006, 11:59

Build a metropolas race track there you go one with bucket circuits full size circuits for moto gp a speedway track in the centre, Motels on sight Cafe etc even a village for the sick petrol head fans like me to live in and race my rs125 to work everyday there bang done

MisterD

8th November 2006, 11:59

I thought we were on rugby and motor racing....how did martial arts get included?

Hitcher

8th November 2006, 20:19

how did martial arts get included?

Since when has Morris Dancing been a marital art?

geoffm

8th November 2006, 21:03

Expand North Harbour, or build some temporary stands at an existing stadium. Not to mention NZ's busiest port losing half their land...
Just Helen trying to take everyone's mind off (po) Taito's corruption, and her pledge cards, etc
Geoff

Swoop

8th November 2006, 21:15

Just Helen trying to take everyone's mind off (po) Taito's corruption, and her pledge cards, etc
Someone has spotted the decoy!:niceone:

Also, I believe that Morris Dancing has been outlawed under the Geneva Convention as being a cruel and unusual torture (of the spectators...):Pokey:

Shadows

8th November 2006, 23:14

The logic is that the $700m is an investment.

Stupid fucking excuse for an investment if you ask me. Only some members of all of about half a dozen countries in The World would even give enough of a rats arse about the stupid fucking game to even know where this "World (don't make me fucking laugh!) Cup" was being held. Only some members of another half a dozen countries in The World would even know what you were talking about if you mentioned the word "rugby" to them.

Its a bit like netball. NZ, the Aussies (in passing) and fucking Namibia or something just about sums up The World's following. Yet we have to wave this stupid black flag with a bit of fern painted on it (which, incidentally, looks like the white feather of cowardice to the rest of The World, go on, Google "white feather", I dare you), and call ourselves World Champions if we win a couple of games. It's fucking embarrassing.

The thing that really really fucks me off and is a spin off from the ridiculous sport fixation and chihuahua syndrome the country seems to have developed is the 6 o'clock News... having to sit through 25 minutes of "sport" (read "rugby") news after only 25 minutes of real news (which probably only contained 15 minutes of actual news and a 10 close up on what the All Blacks' goalkeeper's bowel movements were like in the last couple of days) just so that I can see my mate Toni Marsh at the end of the programme. Give us news and weather on a news program, and if absolutely necessary then put the sport crap on afterwards so those with half a braincell don't have to sit through the shit.

Anyway, meanwhile there are people dying of all sorts on hospital waiting lists, and cancer sufferers are dying early because they can't get the drugs they need, all because the fuckers in the Beehive reckon they can't afford it. But $700M + can go on a stadium for a stupid fucking game or two, and millions upon millions can go on overseas aid packages, the government has a surplus of billions, and yet we still can't even properly look after the health of the people in our own country, or our roads, or other infrastructure, or fucking anything else for that matter.

Our priorities are all fucked up, but what do you expect from a government led by Frankenbitch and all her followers who run after her cheering "we are the champions" and holding their cowardice flags aloft?

And the All Blacks' goalkeeper thing was a pisstake, alright?

Lou Girardin

9th November 2006, 05:51

Expand North Harbour,
Geoff

I was wondering why the North Shore option was not even considered. Until I heard a comment on TV yesterday, it appears that Auckland rugby will not accept having to be based on the shore.
Well, if that's the case, let the pathetic primadonnas pay for their World Cup hosting themselves. They'll probably get beaten by the French again anyway.
There's more chokers in that team than in a porn movie.

slimjim

9th November 2006, 07:38

from what they are saying is that they do not get enough poeple going over to the north shore to watch alot of games at that stadium, so down town it seem's to be, going to love to get some parking there or they turn eden park into a car park, and we can get on a train or bus straight to the new stadium from there?

Squeak the Rat

9th November 2006, 07:52

Now the government has threatened to send it to Christchurch unless the Auckland council can sort it's act out.

Hmmmm, V8's anyone?

Magua

9th November 2006, 11:13

Hmmmm, V8's anyone?

No thanks. We don't like those, in Auckland.

Hoon

9th November 2006, 11:22

Who made that stat up? A single F1 round demolishes the combined earnings of the RWC in revenue.

No it doesn't. 48 games of rugby over 6 weeks is why a global sporting tournament brings in way more than a single event.

The benefits are clear cut, just all you rugby haters are too blind to see it. Think back to the Lions tour which generated $130 million.
It's this "if it doesn't benefit me then I don't want it" attitude that is holding NZ back.

Hitcher

9th November 2006, 11:49

So now the Gummint thinks Christchurch is the answer. One therefore wonders what the question is.

The_Dover

9th November 2006, 11:59

Stupid fucking excuse for an investment if you ask me. Only some members of all of about half a dozen countries in The World would even give enough of a rats arse about the stupid fucking game to even know where this "World (don't make me fucking laugh!) Cup" was being held. Only some members of another half a dozen countries in The World would even know what you were talking about if you mentioned the word "rugby" to them.

Its a bit like netball. NZ, the Aussies (in passing) and fucking Namibia or something just about sums up The World's following. Yet we have to wave this stupid black flag with a bit of fern painted on it (which, incidentally, looks like the white feather of cowardice to the rest of The World, go on, Google "white feather", I dare you), and call ourselves World Champions if we win a couple of games. It's fucking embarrassing.

The thing that really really fucks me off and is a spin off from the ridiculous sport fixation and chihuahua syndrome the country seems to have developed is the 6 o'clock News... having to sit through 25 minutes of "sport" (read "rugby") news after only 25 minutes of real news (which probably only contained 15 minutes of actual news and a 10 close up on what the All Blacks' goalkeeper's bowel movements were like in the last couple of days) just so that I can see my mate Toni Marsh at the end of the programme. Give us news and weather on a news program, and if absolutely necessary then put the sport crap on afterwards so those with half a braincell don't have to sit through the shit.

Anyway, meanwhile there are people dying of all sorts on hospital waiting lists, and cancer sufferers are dying early because they can't get the drugs they need, all because the fuckers in the Beehive reckon they can't afford it. But $700M + can go on a stadium for a stupid fucking game or two, and millions upon millions can go on overseas aid packages, the government has a surplus of billions, and yet we still can't even properly look after the health of the people in our own country, or our roads, or other infrastructure, or fucking anything else for that matter.

Our priorities are all fucked up, but what do you expect from a government led by Frankenbitch and all her followers who run after her cheering "we are the champions" and holding their cowardice flags aloft?

And the All Blacks' goalkeeper thing was a pisstake, alright?

You sound a bit upset Shad, has the harley broken down again?

but I do agree with you, and I'm a big rugby fan.