Can we have no fun anymore?

[GR81]

for those on the North Shore, you will know where this is.

what bugs me is the people complaining about the noise, yet they live next to SH1 !!!!

Fun Nazis!! :angry:

[Gremlin]

I bet you're a sign stealer tooo!!!!!!! :lol:

I know what you are doing wrong... Us sprotbikers have it right... we never stay in one place, either to be complained at, or warned...

[Postie]

Fuck 'em, as the article says, they can't do anything anyway.
Makes me want to buy an MX bike just to go there and piss people off. Since when did people becoming grumpy become news anyway.

[GR81]

it doesn't matter where you go Gremlin, the whinging residents follow you! haha

grey power unit? haha

[chris]

for those on the North Shore, you will know where this is.

what bugs me is the people complaining about the noise, yet they live next to SH1 !!!!

Fun Nazis!! :angry:
You could always offer the use of your garden instead.

[vifferman]

I remember when (hundreds of years ago) I was a youngun (yes, it's true, I wasn't always 107) we used to spend many a happy hour carooming around 'as-yet-undeveloped-subdivisions' on our trailbikes, and we never had a single complaint or "Grumpy Residents Bitch and Moan Because They Need to Get a Life" newspaper article.
Mind you, back in those days, the SafetyNazi(TM) was probably still but a wee bairn....

[GR81]

ppfftt... what garden? lol
it's auckland, gardens are an optional extra.

[cheese]

Problem is that the new 4's noise travels so dam far!!!! Back in the day everyone was on a putty old 4 stroke XR or DR or some old 2 stroke. Now the bikes are so loud and fast. I do think that 100kph is a tad bullshit though.

[Wellyman]

I have sent my letter to the Ed at NZ herald, saying my view. prehaps a few more member around here may do the same, or us dirtbikers could be a dying breed if we are kicked off all our tracks like ardmore,Digger Mc Ewen, Harrisville and more. Waipu Caves has already been a victim, we shouldnt take anymore shit from the noise natzi cunts.
WM

[ManDownUnder]

Correct me if I'm wrong - but this is actually not a track? More like a piece of dirt the bikes started using (i.e. they're not supposed to)?

If that's the case then the residents have every right and reason to complain. Shit... I would.

[Wellyman]

Correct me if I'm wrong - but this is actually not a track? More like a piece of dirt the bikes started using (i.e. they're not supposed to)?

If that's the case then the residents have every right and reason to complain. Shit... I would.
MDU, this isn't and offical track, but we are being forced to ride illegally because of the shutdown of offical venues, beacause of bitching and moaning.
The Waipu Caves MX/ Cross Country Extravagnaza that used to be held 1 weekend a year was shut off because of cunts bitching and moaning, and in doing so have ruined the legacy of a great event.
WM

[ManDownUnder]

MDU, this isn't and offical track, but we are being forced to ride illegally because of the shutdown of offical venues, beacause of bitching and moaning.
The Waipu Caves MX/ Cross Country Extravagnaza that used to be held 1 weekend a year was shut off because of cunts bitching and moaning, and in doing so have ruined the legacy of a great event.
WM

Gotcha... and err... bugger!

Is there any way to find a common ground... i.e. you obviously want the other tracks opened again... and so do the residents by virtue of the noise being made in/near their back yards.

Just lookin' for the solution that I expect you guys are trying to find too...

[Motu]

This has always been a problem since we got trail bikes in the late '60's early 70's - young guys are really,really stupid.But then people have now been taught to complain and make it work.

I used to work with a guy who moved into a new subdivision that we used to ride on just a few years previously.He used to do homers,on earthmoving equipment! To run in a motorscaper with a Detroit V6,he'd take it out to the subdivision behind his place and put a brick under the throttle,then he'd run it at max rpm on the govenor for 8hrs on a sunday! And these days people complain about a few motorcycles,sheesh!

[Macktheknife]

If these developers had any brains they would let the guys do it for $5 a day while they are not developing the site.

[Henk]

Half the problem is bikes that make huge amounts of noise. I suspect that if the guys riding here illegally wern't running 100dB plus after market mufflers it wouldn't be such a problem.
Stop moaning, get a real muffler and ride somewhere you aren't tresspassing, there are still plenty of options.
The more you piss people off in general the less legal places there will be to ride for the rest of us.

[arj127]

I live in that area, not far from where you illegaly ride. The other night someone was riding until after nine oclock! How he could see i dont know, as my guess is it was a YZ400/426, and we all now they dont have lights. Pissing people off by riding in residential areas where children are supposed to be sleeping at that hour is not clever. It only makes it worse for us dirt bike riders. Yes, i am a mxer too, but am smart enough to join a club and ride at legal areas where they also have medical aid if required. I couldn't think of a more boring place to ride than the smell flat track at Albany. If you want to learn how to ride go to Ardmore or join the Rodney club.

[arj127]

Wellyman, Auckland has tons of tracks to ride on, Muriwai bike park is open 7 days a week! Ardmore is open on Wednesday nights. There is no reason to ride illegally.

[GR81]

it's a shame places have to setup properly and charge such a large amount and are also miles away from anywhere (like ardmore who still get complaints).
shame auckland has no where for that quick afternoon weekend ride like the waimak/mcleans island in chch.

i dont condone riding at 9pm on subdivisions like that, but a sunday afternoon blat is something we should be entitled to.
just remember, MX'ers are tax payers and rate payers too!

eitherway, MX tracks such as ardmore etc will soon end up like Western Springs etc... on their way out because a small handful of people have nothing better to do but complain. you rekon they will shut SH1 soon because its too noisey? wouldnt surprise me! haha

my 2c

[arj127]

If i wanted to live next to a mx track (as you call it) i would have purchased a house on Old Quarry Road, or Gereghty-Maber Road. Do you maybe have some land next to your house where i could come for a few hours and ride? Also, the motorway noise is not even 10 percent as loud as a four stroke mx bike

[Ghost Lemur]

All I can say is, thank fuck I live in Christchurch. 15 minutes and I'm on a trail. No entry fee, nimby neighbours, etc.

[GR81]

If i wanted to live next to a mx track (as you call it) i would have purchased a house on Old Quarry Road, or Gereghty-Maber Road.
does this also apply to Western Springs?
they chose to live next to a motorsport venue that was there first, yet stupidity prevails and the residents win.

[Danger]

Wellyman, Auckland has tons of tracks to ride on, Muriwai bike park is open 7 days a week!

Unfortunatley this is no longer true, as the bike park is open on Sat and Sun only. I would sure like to know of the tons of tracks to ride on. Less and less legal riding venues available, and its a real problem for enthusiasts and the motorcycle industry in the Auckland area.

[arj127]

does this also apply to Western Springs?
they chose to live next to a motorsport venue that was there first, yet stupidity prevails and the residents win.

I don't think you follow what i wrote. I chose NOT to live next to a motocross track. You can therefore understand why people get upset when loud automotive noise suddenly begins in the area. Albany is not a motocross zoned area. Having noise like this on a Sunday when citizens are maybe trying to sell there house on the market is not helpful (or perhaps just having a quiet day which they are entitled too).

[arj127]

Unfortunatley this is no longer true, as the bike park is open on Sat and Sun only. I would sure like to know of the tons of tracks to ride on. Less and less legal riding venues available, and its a real problem for enthusiasts and the motorcycle industry in the Auckland area.

Harrisville,Mercer, Ardmore, Honda bike park, Waterford, Rodney club events. Ramarama chicken farm. Clevedon JAM track. Kariotahi. Muriwai bombing range. Kimmys farm. Thunderpark. Power Adventure rides. MR Motorcycle rides. Then theres other clubs not far from Auckland such as Huntly (awesome riding), Patetonga. Enough to select from there.

[Danger]

arj, none of those tracks are open today for a ride. I'm not argueing that those are places to ride but the point is they are only open for certain times, and some for only a few hours on a Saturday etc. The bombing range is not a legal option either. If I wanted to go for a ride now, Tuesday morning, or at any time today, there is no where I can legally ride. Thats the point, there is no where for a legal casual ride when you are able to ride. Many people now work in the weekends too. If someone finishes work at 5.00pm today and wants to go for a ride for a few hours, where can they go? Yes ardmore is open Wednesday, but its Tuesday. Next week Greg Power might have a twilight ride, but thats next week. So these guys are going to go where others have gone, and ride that peice of land in Albany until they get kicked off, or go for an illegal ride in Woodhill, Neither is an option for me. So where can I ride? I really would like to know.

Ah yes, there is that track in Otahuhu but I would soon get bored going around in circles there, but I guess its an option when desperate.
Anyone got the details on where exactly and how a ride can be arranged for there? How much and how do I pay or get a key or what ever?

[chris]

but we are being forced to ride illegally because of the shutdown of offical venues
Bullshit! What a pathetic comment. You aren't forced into anything due to a lack of places to ride legally.

[Wellyman]

Bullshit! What a pathetic comment. You aren't forced into anything due to a lack of places to ride legally.
Well and stupidity then.
dont get your knickers in a twist
WM

[charles23]

it seems to me that you can't do anything now days without farking someone off.

[telliman]

Bullshit! What a pathetic comment. You aren't forced into anything due to a lack of places to ride legally.

im guessing you dont have a problem being able to ride when ever,people are just expressing there frustration at lack off places to ride,would love to hear your oppinion? i hate the words 'ride illegally', whos being effected in these cases? are you saying we should be happy being restricted to riding sat, sun, and thats it? and even some of those places are restricted to an extent. im guessing most of the illegal riders in the muriwai area are club members!!!!

[arj127]

arj, none of those tracks are open today for a ride. I'm not argueing that those are places to ride but the point is they are only open for certain times, and some for only a few hours on a Saturday etc. The bombing range is not a legal option either. If I wanted to go for a ride now, Tuesday morning, or at any time today, there is no where I can legally ride. Thats the point, there is no where for a legal casual ride when you are able to ride. Many people now work in the weekends too. If someone finishes work at 5.00pm today and wants to go for a ride for a few hours, where can they go? Yes ardmore is open Wednesday, but its Tuesday. Next week Greg Power might have a twilight ride, but thats next week. So these guys are going to go where others have gone, and ride that peice of land in Albany until they get kicked off, or go for an illegal ride in Woodhill, Neither is an option for me. So where can I ride? I really would like to know.

Ah yes, there is that track in Otahuhu but I would soon get bored going around in circles there, but I guess its an option when desperate.
Anyone got the details on where exactly and how a ride can be arranged for there? How much and how do I pay or get a key or what ever?

You have chosen motocross as your sport. As with all sports, there are designated areas where you compete or practise. If your chosen sport was circuit racing in a car, you would not be practising on the local neighbourhood streets. Yes its sad when people move into an area where there is an existing race track of some kind and start complaining. But in my case, the dirt bikes arrived afterwards. Weekends were peaceful.

Hopefully Auckland will become more switched on and maybe create some kind of track up by the Snowplanet or something.

[scott411]

Arj has some valid points here, the more illigal riding that goes on, the harder to get proper parks in place,

to the guys that complian thier is no where to ride, join a club and help out, find someone willing to lease you some land, then try to get resource consent to allow you to use it, then manage it so people actually like to ride their, after you have done all this which will take you 2-5 years by the way) if you are not willing to do this, don;t winge at paying a measly $20-30 dollars to ride a track someone is losing money running,

if you think thier is money in it youare kidding yourself, do you think John Cobb makes money off Ardmore, your wrong why he has poored that much time into the place for that many years confuses me, James from Thundercross and Kimmy from Kimmy's farm are the same, they make enought to pay for the maintence and thats about it, the Pukekohe and Rodney clubs only put the money back into their facilties, and Greg Power and Nick Reader could make way better money for the time and effort they put in to thier rides doing something else, they use their friends and family to help prop up these rides and if were not for the money of Suzuki and HOnda respectfully these guys would not be around either.

next time you ride somewhere iligal, think of the consquences, it is not your tax payers right to ride were you like,

[Ghost Lemur]

You have chosen motocross as your sport. As with all sports, there are designated areas where you compete or practise. If your chosen sport was circuit racing in a car, you would not be practising on the local neighbourhood streets. Yes its sad when people move into an area where there is an existing race track of some kind and start complaining. But in my case, the dirt bikes arrived afterwards. Weekends were peaceful.

Hopefully Auckland will become more switched on and maybe create some kind of track up by the Snowplanet or something.

I'm sorry but, WTF!!!

Motorcross? Sport? Where are these things mentioned in this thread?

That's like saying because you ride a sportsbike, like to twist the throttle occassionally that you've chosen to be a roadracer and therefore should be forced to only ride your bike on the Track. Bullshit.

Where talking about people who "enjoy" riding offroad having the ability to utilise public access places in order to satisfy their passion and enjoy their hobby. I know the spot in question isn't public access, but rather private property. That's what everyone is complaining about (up there, where a bit better off down here - may that never change), is that there is a distinct lack of public access to crown land which can be utilised by offroaders.

I can only speak for myself. But I have no interest in joining a club yet. I'm still in the infancy of my development as a dualsport rider (hell as a rider in general), have little money and family commitments. All combined means I'm happy to putter around whenever I get a chance, and can't be tied down to particular times/dates. Thankfully within half an hour from my home is a place I can play at anytime for free.

Maybe one day in the future I'll reach a personal level where I'd like to start trying Enduros, Crosscountry rides, etc. In which case then it'll be worthwhile/necessary to join a club.

Personally that "track" in question looks boring as hell and I doubt I'd bother. But if I was in Auckland I probably would however, ignore tresspass signs on Crown forestry land, etc. Either that or move the fuck out of auckland.

Back to my original comparison. Remember each time you twist your throttle on the road and drift over the speedlimit you too are breaking the law in order to indulge in your passion. Expecting offroaders to stop is about as likely as expecting you to.

Having said all that Auckland offroaders have to take a bit of responsibility. You know living in Auckland it's going to be far getting out of Auckland. Riding somewhere like in the article is going to do nothing for your public image, but rather piss people off. It's not like your illegally riding a forestry trail or some.
If you going to break the law, why not put a positive twist on it. Ride some tracks, take a rubbish bag along and pick up litter as you go. It might not get you off if caught, but it could go some way to showing that offroad riders are considerate, valuable members of the community who should be intitled to access community land, rather than hoons who leave a trail of destruction in their wake.
Hell get a large enough group of offroaders to participate in the cleanup and call the local papers for a bit of free good publicity. Maybe then when you make submissions to access public land, you may have an increased chance of a positive response.



** - All reference to "You" in this post generalised.

[cheese]

My wife and I were talking about this the other day and we have been serioulsy tempted to buy a spot up there (by snow planet) with a house nad building a tack on it. I was thinking of having a small fee very strong noise rules. How many of you would be keen to ride on a track like this? It would be a small MX style track. But I think that we would be hard pressed to open it cause of the noise. would it be a better idea to get some of the clubs together to open a track in teh albany industrial area? beside the BMX track for example??

It's a pity that there is no free areas to ride, in Napier there was the river you could go have a blat at. But paying a small fee fro a good track and security is not so bad if you ask me.

[ArcherWC]

My wife and I were talking about this the other day and we have been serioulsy tempted to buy a spot up there (by snow planet) with a house nad building a tack on it. I was thinking of having a small fee very strong noise rules. How many of you would be keen to ride on a track like this? It would be a small MX style track. But I think that we would be hard pressed to open it cause of the noise. would it be a better idea to get some of the clubs together to open a track in teh albany industrial area? beside the BMX track for example??


You will have an absolute nightmare with this because of noise. There are several things going on with the Rodney Council at the moment regarding this sort of thing.
One of the nasties i have heard is that they are trying to ban all motorsport on private land, this wouldnt affect you having a fang on your farm, but would stop the likes of the Rodney Motorcycle Club from having a meet there.

I have thought about an MX style park (aka Kimmys farm)for the north of Auckland as well, and believe the only hope of getting something like this would be a large plot of land well north (workwarth/wellsford way) with the park setup in the middle and get resource consent before you even start earthworks.

If anyone does seriously look at doing this sort of thing, i am more than happy to help out in any way.

Brian #105

[Motu]

Some years ago there was a guy (ex A Grade trials rider) who had some trails on his property at the top of Albany hill,he used to hire out XR200's too.No way he could do it in this day and age.

[charles23]

Good luck to anybody who proposes to set up a track, I'll be the first to come along and pay my $20 or $30, you sure would have earned it! there is an absolute nightmare of PC bullshit that you'll have to wade through in the consent process and there is no guarantee that you'll get a consent not until you have the paperwork in your hand and even then the Minister can try and over rule it. The Resource Management Act and the Council officers that enforce you will drive you up the wall and bleed you dry. For example how the hell does noise become an issue in the middle of a forest! Surley there is no better place for a bike park. Save your money and support the established tracks that's the only way they can keep operating.

[telliman]

You could always offer the use of your garden instead.

its not his garden he;s complaining abt, its someone eles's private land which is abt 400-500 metres away in an industrial area that he has a problem with. a bit precious i reckon

[GR81]

Personally that "track" in question looks boring as hell and I doubt I'd bother. But if I was in Auckland I probably would however, ignore tresspass signs on Crown forestry land, etc. Either that or move the fuck out of auckland.
it's ideal for someone like my boss's son who is just learning and doesnt want to have to pay $20-30 to ride around in circles at somewhere like ardmore etc.

it's not like there is 30+ bikes racing around on that plot of land anyway, its 1 or 2 bikes having a blat.

[arj127]

its not his garden he;s complaining abt, its someone eles's private land which is abt 400-500 metres away in an industrial area that he has a problem with. a bit precious i reckon

you the truth Telliman, i don't relly give a toss about guys riding up there at the moment. Maybe if more bikes turn up i will. I am just trying to make people understand that they are not actually helping us offroad riders by riding in illegal areas. With the amount of events put on by clubs and other private land owners there is no real reason to ride in Albany.

And like i said, dirt bikes up there can be clearly heard from my place, where as the motorway can't. Maybe if the bikes were XR250's or something along those lines you would hardly here them (but who wants to ride one of those these days?). Most people who own a home have a better understanding of how noise like this can effect the resale value of thier home etc. Thats why i think this person has maybe gone to the paper about it.

[The_Dover]

For example how the hell does noise become an issue in the middle of a forest!

well, if a tree falls down in the middle of a forest and there is no one there to hear it, does it still make a noise??

that's an issue right there.

[kro]

Dude, thats the middle of suburbia, of course people are gonna get slutted off.

[telliman]

i just feel theres two sides to the story,the urban spread is on its way and dirt bikers arnt the only ones being effected. i believe theres always gonna be a few that fuck it up for the rest in everything we do, thats a fact of life! id love to see the owners turn up and start charging $5 or something,cause its obvious that they dont mind.then there would be no laws being broken. stick it up the neighbour,hes probably the same guy that wants fireworks band!!!

[charles23]

well, if a tree falls down in the middle of a forest and there is no one there to hear it, does it still make a noise??

that's an issue right there.

Time to break out the tissues

[The_Dover]

Time to break out the tissues

is it time for a circle jerk already??

[cheese]

MAybe CHH could let us use some more of teh forests. After all us riding them keeps teh fire breaks open!

[kro]

With the proposed changes to laws in the Tasman District Council area, we riders will be forced out of existence. They are trying to put a bill thru meaning no more than four motorbikes can be ridden on private land at any given time, and must stick to strict times, and noise levels.

One of our two major forests sounds like it's going to be shut down this summer, the others may very well buckle under the pressure, and follow suit.

If this kind of nonsense legislation is going to be the norm, I am seriously considering moving to Blenheim. The greenies, and tree huggers abusing their positions by speaking out publicly, and directly abusing their privelage of office, to wheelbarrow their own opinions and agendas. This will cause a hugely detrimental effect on Nelson, if they succeed in passing laws like this, and by the time they realise they have messed up, it will be too late, people like me will be gone.

The greenies are peddling it from a forest and bird angle, not a noise one, so if they succeed in locking the bikes out, they will have to do the recreational 4wd'ers, and rallyers, and every other gravel related sport, and that will cause a HUGE ruckus in a town where every second vehicle is a muddy 4wd.

[GR81]

gee i love this country, its run by a bunch of hippies! :angry:

[cheese]

For fucks sake can you imagine if there was ever a war, no you can use bombs, guns or shoud cause that will disturb the wildlife.

[GR81]

For fucks sake can you imagine if there was ever a war, no you can use bombs, guns or shoud cause that will disturb the wildlife.
but 14 yr olds can buy fireworks and do stupid shite! haha

[NordieBoy]

does this also apply to Western Springs?
they chose to live next to a motorsport venue that was there first, yet stupidity prevails and the residents win.

And Western Springs was running in breach of their resource consent for years...
:yes:

[NordieBoy]

id love to see the owners turn up and start charging $5 or something,cause its obvious that they dont mind.then there would be no laws being broken.

If they charge entry then they are taking responsibility for anything that happens.
As soon as you charge entry then you invite a whole heap of problems.

Now "donations" on the other hand :D

[Toaster]

Cracks me up how people move near a race track or airport or move into the city apartments and THEN start complaining about noise. How thick and self centred and stuck-up can you get???!!

[Toaster]

For fucks sake can you imagine if there was ever a war, no you can use bombs, guns or shoud cause that will disturb the wildlife.

It would be impossible to go to war.... we have no real defence forces left... and the teens today couldn't be conscripted becasue so many are on drugs or just too self-centred to do anything for anyone but themselves.

The whole nature of complaining about the noise etc is symptomatic of how unfriendly and un-neighbourly we have become.

Its crap... I need another beer. :buggerd:

[notch]

I'm f***ed of about the lack of places to ride.

Did you guys hear what happened to the Woodhill bike park?

The trees in the park are being felled. The park was supposed to move a few km's down rimmer road, but this had to be stopped because of some f'ing moaning barstard, several K's away. Now we have a bike park that is partly closed off for tree felling, pretty soon the whole park may close, but will definately in time become a "tree stump" park.
This is just plain shit. I'm not into motorcross, and it's just about the only place to trail ride legally nr auckland.

I've never ridden illegally, but now i'm considering doing it....

[Danger]

Yes its sad when people move into an area where there is an existing race track of some kind and start complaining. But in my case, the dirt bikes arrived afterwards. Weekends were peaceful.



Old thread, but just came across this. I was riding that land back in the 80's, before the houses arrived. We had some awesome jumps there back then, even some table tops and we used to head out there after work for a ride. It was an awesome place to ride and sometimes a bit of a circuit would develop and unofficial racing would take place. You could actually ride from Waiarau road through to Albany center all on dirt. So the bikes were there first. Yeah its not a fair argument and I would not want dirt bikes roaring around my house either and I don't think they should be. But just wanted to point out that the bikes were there first before your house. :first:
We even used to ride a small track at View road between some factorys. Awesome jumps there, one had a steel plate on it and launched you straight up like a free style ramp. Even during the week when all the factorys were open, no one cared and the workers used to come out and watch.
Luckens road was another good place to race your mates in the evenings after work. In fact we just used to get on our road trailies and head off to all these different tracks and trails. Broken house was another which is north of Oteha. Tracks all over the place.
Chatswood which was on my door step provided all weekend and evening riding with the guys and jumps and some bush trails too.
The 80's were great for dirt bike riding.
And all of Woodhill forest was open for riding as well.

[McJim]

Just gimme the address and I'll pootle round their cul de sac at ungodly hours. Anyone who has heard my little 6 hundy will know what I mean.

Then they'll be too busy complaining anout me to give flying codpiece about the ickle motox bikes! :rofl:

[Lion]

yeah i have my own land to ride on, but I am also considerate to neighbours. eg I only ride at certain times (5pm - 6pm) and dont ride for over 45 minutes. problem is for most people is that they ride hard for extended periods of time..that really fucks the neighbours off.

[250sx_mulisha]

haha legendary effort mcjim

i ride a 250sx obviously and its not very loud i ride it on my mates property in a subdivision that he owns next to horses (that chase me sometimes) and no one has complained yet but im waiting for it

i got a complaint about using my chainsaw at 8pm to chop up some wood in summer so i finished it starting at 6am the next day (sunday)