Kahui twins' father out on bail

[jetboy]

Saw on the 12 oclock news the Kahui Twins father is out on bail?

WTF?! ("What the Fuck" in plain english....)

It took them 3 months to catch the bastard and now hes back out? AM i missing something here?

[ManDownUnder]

AM i missing something here?


Not as much as the justice system is...

On what grounds was he let out on bail - there has to be a reason... surely...

[The_Dover]

because if he's locked in a remand facility he'll never make it to trial.

[jetboy]

Yeah he has to stay at a certain address out of Auckland and has to report every 24 hours...thats the gist of it I think. But still - I can guarantee you that if it were me I'd be protecting my white scrawny ass for the next 20 years in the pen

[Joni]

People are generally let out on bail if they are not seen as a danger to the community...

Hmm, thats a little ironic if you look at what he was put in there for in the first place :angry:

[jetboy]

because if he's locked in a remand facility he'll never make it to trial.
is that such a bad thing?

[The_Dover]

put it this way.

he's not gonna go kill anyone elses kids. he has 24 hour curfew and he wont be in auckland.

if he leaves the house he's likely a dead man anyway.

he'll be spending all his time on bail lubing and stretching i'd imagine.

[marty]

he'll dig himself a hole. he'll have no alcohol, no association with witnesses, daily reporting, curfew. he'll get a visit at 0300am to check he's home, and probably a couple during the day too.

there's no way he'll keep to his conditions, then he'll be back inside....

[98tls]

i reckon dovers probably right...on the news they said the judge was handed a piece of paper...the cops withdrew there opp to bail...still,could have put him in isolation if there worried about his safety......fuck him..let him be Bubbas bitch i say.....

[jetboy]

i reckon dovers probably right...on the news they said the judge was handed a piece of paper...the cops withdrew there opp to bail...still,could have put him in isolation if there worried about his safety......fuck him..let him be Bubbas bitch i say.....
thats what I think. Sick little shit that he is (the kahui father)

[Clockwork]

FFS You people really have a problem with the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" don't you?

Christ, I hope I never get accused of a heinous crime. Not too much danger of a fair trial around here.

[terbang]

Yup they'll be breaking out the vaseline for when he arrives back inside.

[jetboy]

Under normal circumstances yes, and I'd be the first to say I was wrong should be be proven innocent - but c'mon dude...he reeks guilt.

[marty]

FFS You people really have a problem with the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" don't you?

Christ, I hope I never get accused of a heinous crime. Not too much danger of a fair trial around here.

what are you? a three hugger? or worse, a lawyer?

luckily this isn't a court, so we can slag off and convict whom ever we want.

those children were innocent until dead. didn't help them did it

[98tls]

FFS You people really have a problem with the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" don't you?

Christ, I hope I never get accused of a heinous crime. Not too much danger of a fair trial around here. he was there when it happened...if it wasnt him then he knows who it was and isnt saying....to me thats just as bad...jesus were talking about two babies...like i said...let him be bubbas bitch for a while...if he didnt do it then maybe he will tell who did....

[The_Dover]

let him be bubbas bitch for a while...if he didnt do it then maybe he will tell who did....

well, he'll certainly squeal :buggerd:

[jetboy]

he was there when it happened...if it wasnt him then he knows who it was and isnt saying....to me thats just as bad...jesus were talking about two babies...like i said...let him be bubbas bitch for a while...if he didnt do it then maybe he will tell who did....
so were the rest of that family. shove them all in the slammer. Farkin hell did people forget that 2 babies were severly beaten to death?

[ManDownUnder]

FFS You people really have a problem with the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" don't you?

Christ, I hope I never get accused of a heinous crime. Not too much danger of a fair trial around here.

Credit where it's due - good call.

[Joni]

FFS You people really have a problem with the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" don't you?Actually no I dont have a problem with the concept at all.

However when somone is accused of taking another life (and in this case 2), I feel he should stay behind bars until he has been proven innocent - murder is muder mate... and if there is a 1% chance he is guilty he should be kept away from other children until his trial starts.

If he was accused of mowing down a group of people with an AK47 he would sure as shit not be let out on bail... so why with 2 children...

[Clockwork]

what are you? a three hugger? or worse, a lawyer?

luckily this isn't a court, so we can slag off and convict whom ever we want.

those children were innocent until dead. didn't help them did it

I'm someone who's doing his best to let the system work. Obviously I don't have the unquestioning faith in the infallibility of the Police that the rest of you have.

Its not like they've never got it wrong before!

[The_Dover]

yeah man, everyone knows i'm too slow to get a speeding ticket.......it was a setup.

[Clockwork]

Actually no I dont have a problem with the concept at all.

However when somone is accused of taking another life (and in this case 2), I feel he should stay behind bars until he has been proven innocent - murder is muder mate... and if there is a 1% chance he is guilty he should be kept away from other children until his trial starts.

If he was accused of mowing down a group of people with an AK47 he would sure as shit not be let out on bail... so why with 2 children...

If there were credible witnesses, I'd agree with you, but this case doesn't have a that does it? None of us knows who know what..... we just need a whipping boy, it seems.

[jetboy]

I'm someone who's doing his best to let the system work. Obviously I don't have the unquestioning faith in the infallibility of the Police that the rest of you have.

Its not like they've never got it wrong before!
But the system doesn't work! Well not for me anyway!

[Clockwork]

But the system doesn't work! Well not for me anyway!

Yes... it probably could be bettered..... but not by a lynch mob.

[The_Dover]

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they'll try to help

[jetboy]

lynchmob huh - very nice

[Lou Girardin]

Under normal circumstances yes, and I'd be the first to say I was wrong should be be proven innocent - but c'mon dude...he reeks guilt.

What do you know that we don't?

[crashe]

He is out on bail with the following strict conditions:

24 hour curfew at a house outside of Auckland that is stated by the courts.
No contact whatsoever with the King family (thats Macyina King and her family)
No contact whatsoever with any child under the age of 12 years of age.

If he breaks any of these conditions then he goes back into prison.

I would also imagine that they have somehow added in no booze or drugs in that condition in the small print.

Personally I dont think he should be given bail.......
But then I also believe that the rest of the so called "Tight 12" should also have been charged for failing to speak to the cops etc.
I belive that there is more than one person involved in the death's of these two tiny boys.

I would like to know why, when after one baby stopped breathing and the 'aunt' did resuss on the little one and that they feared that they had cracked the ribs...... why the hell they didnt take the little one to hospital.
If anyone stops breathing and you get them breathing again you take them to get them checked out by the Dr and nurses to make sure that you didnt break a rib especially on a tiny baby that was so prem etc etc...


RIP Chris and Cru.

[diggydog]

should'nt be out at all.:zzzz:

[RantyDave]

But then I also believe that the rest of the so called "Tight 12" should also have been charged for failing to speak to the cops etc.
I suspect the cops are playing the smart game and waiting until they definitely don't need them for anything.

Dave

[slimjim]

:angry: yup this is a real fucked up one, me got no prob's on who, just want the "RIGHT" ONE, or TWo if there is more, :angry: Vaseline................. fuck that a quick spit .......doesn't deserve any lube,,,:innocent:

[APPLE]

there to soft mate?the judge is a soft cock,it seems you spend longer in jail for drugs,than you do for murder.And wen you do,go to jail?you get a blimmin vacation.:finger:

[98tls]

there to soft mate?the judge is a soft cock,it seems you spend longer in jail for drugs,than you do for murder.And wen you do,go to jail?you get a blimmin vacation.:finger: Agree on the first bit apple but cant on the second...anyone thats been to jail and says its a vacation is either brain dead...spent there time in protection wing and brain dead or simply hasnt been there and watches to much television........

[Colapop]

Judges are hamstrung by laws that favour the crims. There are a lot of hardworking cops out there that find these bastards and then the judges don't have the power to keep the fuckers locked up long enough.

[chanceyy]

well didn't get a chance to catch up on the news today .. although i can not say i am suprised that he has been released out on bail.

do i like it though .. errrr no guess i have the same sentiments as everyone else.

but I sincerely doubt he is the only guilty one .. the rest of the dozen should be in the slammer along with him

I just hope in all of this, those two lil babies get justice & they are not forgotten


RIP - Chris & Cru

[spudchucka]

If there were credible witnesses, I'd agree with you, but this case doesn't have a that does it? None of us knows who know what..... we just need a whipping boy, it seems.

The police who investigated the matter know the details of the evidence against him, so will the court by now. You, me and the rest of the world don't need to know.

[Grahameeboy]

I guess th Law will never win...................at the end of the day this guy has not been found guilty and to me that is a fundamental protection that WE are all entitled to.........if he is guilty then his 'Free' time is numbered and he knows that so in the end justice will be carried out an that is what is important.

As for juctice for the babies etc. Well it is memories (albeit short) not justice that matters. To be seeking justice is a 'self' thing and does not change grief and loss.

[Clockwork]

..., so will the court by now. You, me and the rest of the world don't need to know.

May be thats why he is out on bail.

For the record the "None of us knows who know what....." was my reference to "you, me and the rest of the world"

Its only to be expected that that Cops (yourself included) would consider him guilty ahead of a successful prosecution, if they haven't already decided on his guilt then they shouldn't be prosecuting. But if we were all to take that view then we might as well close all the criminal courts.


yeah, I know..... it sounds like a good idea. (.... Until you're the one in the firing line.)

[Brett]

Agree on the first bit apple but cant on the second...anyone thats been to jail and says its a vacation is either brain dead...spent there time in protection wing and brain dead or simply hasnt been there and watches to much television........

Well i have never been in, so obviously there is very little weighting to what i say, but that new prison they have just built has underfloor heating, LCD T.V's, playstations, an awesome Gym, Broadband and the list goes on! Not saying it is a vacation, but if i am gonna be locked up in anything, i want it to be there.

[Skyryder]

So he gets to dip his wick again. Father more kids, get convicted then parole time he pleads forgivenss so he can be with his kid. Call me a cynic if you will but this bail is all bullshit. Bet if he was a cop killer he would not be out. But then maybe he has done us all a favour................two less gang recruits. Like I said I'm a cynic...................just been round too fucking long to see this any different.


Skyryder

[RT527]

is that such a bad thing?


Um sounds like you know all the Facts and hes guilty as sin...what if he didnt do it?.All of you are basically saying he did it before hes gone to Trial.
Not saying he didnt do it , But I thought everyone had a right to innocence untill Proven Wrong.

I agree tho he shouldnt be let out on bail.

[Ixion]

The police who investigated the matter know the details of the evidence against him, so will the court by now. You, me and the rest of the world don't need to know.

Yes we do. That is why it is a fundamental point of English law that justice should be administered IN PUBLIC. Because that is what prevents corruption by judges and juries. Justice in secret is no justice. And remember that corruption can be more than a matter of used fivers in a paper bag.

Lord Justice Hewart's famous aphorism

" it is not merely of some importance but is of fundamental importance that justice should not only be done, but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done."

seems particularly here since, as some may recall, it not only originated in the appeal of a motorcyclist against a dangerous driving conviction, but also the grounds for appeal was a possible conflict of interest (a weasel term for corruption, that) on the part of an officer of the courts.

FWIW, personally I do not see a problem with the decision to allow bail in this case. He is still unconvicted , is unlikely to flee or go into hiding, and there seem no reason to suppose that his being at large will present any danger to the public.

[Paul in NZ]

Crumbs

Common sense? I can't see Peter Hughes lasting long in his job.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3862886a10,00.html

[spudchucka]

Yes we do. That is why it is a fundamental point of English law that justice should be administered IN PUBLIC. .

Public forums like the courts, yes.

Public forums like the media and KB, which are very heavy on conjecture and very light on facts, no.

[Ixion]

Yes. Because if the courts , or police , be corrupt, the only way that they will be brought to account is by public examination of their conduct. In just such forums as the media and KB. Which is no doubt very inconvenient and annoying for them, they would I'm sure much prefer all such matters to be dealt with in private away from the prying and censorious eye of Joe Public. But that way lies tyranny.

What is the point of saying that justice should be done in public if noone is permitted to know of it, or comment thereon.

[jetboy]

Um sounds like you know all the Facts and hes guilty as sin...what if he didnt do it?.All of you are basically saying he did it before hes gone to Trial.
Not saying he didnt do it , But I thought everyone had a right to innocence untill Proven Wrong.

I agree tho he shouldnt be let out on bail.
fair enough I agree, but not for murder. I know as much as the next man about this case, but under these circumstances the whole 12 should have been locked up until someone spoke out. On an interview on channel 3 two family members admitted being in the house when it happened....

[RT527]

fair enough I agree, but not for murder. I know as much as the next man about this case, but under these circumstances the whole 12 should have been locked up until someone spoke out. On an interview on channel 3 two family members admitted being in the house when it happened....

Yup
Everyone in that house should have been charged with either murder or accessory to Murder.
Then we would have seen the Squealing.
Finger pointing would have got an answer real quick.

Political bullshit aside the Police shouldnt have to tenderfoot around every colour person in case they hurt their feelings , or mana or what ever they call it.

They sure as shit wouldn t worry about my rights if they thought I`d done sumthing wrong ...

[Clockwork]

Yup
Everyone in that house should have been charged with either murder or accessory to Murder.


How can you know what they know? And how do the police prove that they know it? For all we know most of the household could have been asleep when the deed was done. Sure, there may well be people covering for the killer but until you know the killer is, how will you know who's doing the covering?

[RT527]

How can you know what they know? And how do the police prove that they know it? For all we know most of the household could have been asleep when the deed was done. Sure, there may well be people covering for the killer but until you know the killer is, how will you know who's doing the covering?

You dont , you probe ....and before you say what about their rights ...they have them , but what of the rights for justice for the 2 little boys, actually I`m getting sick of the pussyfooting, All i can see happening to this country is a lot of people will start becoming vigilante`s due to the polices hands being tied when it comes to Rights etc......And heaven help us if that day ever comes.

[jetboy]

You dont , you probe ....and before you say what about their rights ...they have them , but what of the rights for justice for the 2 little boys, actually I`m getting sick of the pussyfooting, All i can see happening to this country is a lot of people will start becoming vigilante`s due to the polices hands being tied when it comes to Rights etc......And heaven help us if that day ever comes.
Yeah - it does seem like alot of pussyfooting around. This is still a comparatively young country so maybe we have yet to see full-scale race wars (apartheid etc) and vigilantes

[Swoop]

because if he's locked in a remand facility he'll never make it to trial.

Well........ we can now live in hope!!!

The tosser seems to have zero respect for bail conditions, so... don't bend over for the soap...

[MisterD]

Obviously a boy of very little brain, but I can't see that any jury can possibly convict him of the crime. Both his Father and the Mum's brother were in the house at the time, both with previous convictions for child abuse...won't take much of a lawyer to argue that into reasonable doubt.

[McJim]

Obviously a boy of very little brain, but I can't see that any jury can possibly convict him of the crime. Both his Father and the Mum's brother were in the house at the time, both with previous convictions for child abuse...won't take much of a lawyer to argue that into reasonable doubt.
Doesn't matter about reasonable doubt. This is New Zealand. home of Trial by media.