Juba on TV last night [Archive]

oldrider

11th November 2006, 10:45

Anyone see the news last night which showed Iraq TV "promoting" the sniper who calls himself "Juba" He claimes to have killed 37 soldiers so far. Showed footage of him picking off American soldiers.....pretty hard to watch.

I used to think this war had a purpose (being in the Army once upon a time), but I've changed my mind.

No didn't see it but it doesn't sound good.
As for the American soldier victims, there but for the grace of god go my kids or grand-kids.
I really don't know the rights and wrongs of this war in Iraq but if you think about it.
1)The Americans at least stand for freedom.
2)The British stand for freedom.
3)The Australians stand for freedom.
4)The Israelis stand for freedom.
5) Islam (The Muslim world) is getting to the point where it is going to be totally a them or us (the west) confrontation, a two horse race.
6)The Muslims (whatever brand) preach, say and act upon, convert or die in the name of Allah.(and they mean it)
7)They are Muslim by choice, we are Westerners by choice, the die is cast, there is only one way forward and like or not that is with America and her allies!
In my humble opinion, America is all that stands between us and Islamic totalitarianism, we have only two choices, them or us!
Our illustrious leader and her bunch of lackeys have done their best to aid and abet the Islamic cause in this country.
There are enough of them here now to make it easier for them to spread their word and influence unimpeded into our once secure isolated corner of the free world.
Again I ask the question, do we have any choice but to go with America?
Meanwhile their young men are doing the hard yards on our behalf and being exposed to bastards like Juba while we stand back and criticise them.
These are just some of the thoughts that cross my mind as I wrestle with the truth about the war in Iraq. Cheers John.

Sniper

12th November 2006, 16:28

That video has been around for a couple of years, and dont get me started on "Juba". That cunt should be done over good and proper

Kickaha

12th November 2006, 18:30

That cunt should be done over good and proper

For what? defending his homeland against a military force that has invaded it under a pretense of finding WMD

SPman

13th November 2006, 13:26

Quite frankly, if I was an Iraqi, I'd probably be out there picking off members of an armed invasive occupying force, that has been the cause of my country turning into a total hellhole.

Coyote

13th November 2006, 13:36

If I was in the army I'd be driving a tank

jonbuoy

13th November 2006, 13:38

Quite frankly, if I was an Iraqi, I'd probably be out there picking off members of an armed invasive occupying force, that has been the cause of my country turning into a total hellhole.

It was such a nice peacfull place before.....

jrandom

13th November 2006, 14:07

Anyone got a link to the video?

What sorta gun was he using?

Jeez, guys. Come on. Address the interesting questions first.

Coyote

13th November 2006, 14:11

Anyone got a link to the video?

What sorta gun was he using?

Jeez, guys. Come on. Address the interesting questions first.
He was probably using his Glock cause he's an OG

scumdog

13th November 2006, 14:12

scumdog

13th November 2006, 14:14

It was such a nice peacfull place before.....

Mwahahaha!!!
Probably a shitload of peacniks and bozos think the Yanks were the only country to have started a war in the Middle East!!

ManDownUnder

13th November 2006, 14:17

What Kickaha said... it's a conflict of 2 sides each in support of their respective idiologies.

Both are right in their own minds, and actions.

How many videos/reports have you seen of the enemy being taken out or lives taken? Easy for me to say - I've never been in the army, or conflict... but each is as right at the other.

Each will have victories and each will promote themselves as successful, right and powerful.

It's basic conflict strategy.. isn't it?

Coyote

13th November 2006, 15:03

What Kickaha said... it's a conflict of 2 sides each in support of their respective idiologies.

There's no 'idiologies' to the war. It's a fight for oil and military hardware contracts

ManDownUnder

13th November 2006, 15:10

There's no 'idiologies' to the war. It's a fight for oil and military hardware contracts

Did you say it's Capitalism?

Coyote

13th November 2006, 15:11

Did you say it's Capitalism?
I said it was greed

Same thing really...

jrandom

13th November 2006, 15:22

'idiologies'...

It's better if you say '[sic]'.

'[sic]' is the ultimate in subtle putdowns. Anyone who's ever been [sic]'d knows what I mean.

Coyote

13th November 2006, 15:33

It's better if you say '[sic]'.

'[sic]' is the ultimate in subtle putdowns. Anyone who's ever been [sic]'d knows what I mean.
I don't understand what it means

jrandom

13th November 2006, 15:35

I don't understand what it means

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic) enlightens.

Go forth and humiliate.

Skyryder

13th November 2006, 16:15

I gotta agree with Oldrider on this one. The sooner the west toughens up on this the better.

I'm not overly fond of American Middle Eastern foreign policy as they do not seem to understand that it is their cockup that have caused this mess. Been through this in other posts so won't repeat myself other than to say Iraq is not about oil as many believe. Iraq is about establishing an Iraqui government favourable to western doctines so as to establish intellgence networks to counter radical Islamic militant organisations. Long term is to establish an economy which it is hoped other countries will try and emulate with western concepts and technology.

doc

13th November 2006, 17:06

That video has been around for a couple of years, and dont get me started on "Juba". That cunt should be done over good and proper

C'mon man you seem facinated about Snipers.The primary role of a sniper is to stalk other snipers. Off ya go boy show us what your made of "make a good vid."

Sniper

13th November 2006, 18:46

C'mon man you seem facinated about Snipers.The primary role of a sniper is to stalk other snipers. Off ya go boy show us what your made of "make a good vid."

As an ex-enlisted man Im sure you can understand where Im coming from doc. Yes I can understand that he is also a militant who is off to kill the evil oppressors, but there are certain shots he takes which I disagree with

And no, the primary role of a sniper is not to go forth and stalk other snipers. You've been watching too many movies. The primary role of a sniper is recon and shots are only taken after careful consideration. I'll buy you a beer one day and explain. And hopefully you can explain to me why medics fight on the frontline :msn-wink:

onearmedbandit

13th November 2006, 19:45

Fark, I didn't realise you are actually a sniper sniper. Was that in S.A.?

Kickaha

13th November 2006, 20:00

but there are certain shots he takes which I disagree with

What you mean the fact he only shoots Military personel?

Timber020

13th November 2006, 20:38

His shots seem to take out alot less civilians than those he targets, how many thousand iraqis have been killed as "collaterials"?

Defending his people against a nation that has shown the area nothing but aggression and greed. I would expect the same from anyone here in the same position, providing they had a pair.

Oh so the US isnt there about the oil, its about security, but then thats to keep the price of oil stable of course.

scumdog

13th November 2006, 20:50

Fark, I didn't realise you are actually a sniper sniper. Was that in S.A.?
Nah, he was the Jerry in 'Saving of Private Ryan' - but he head-butted the bullet.
And I'm pissed to the max!!

Sniper

14th November 2006, 09:18

What you mean the fact he only shoots Military personel?

Whats a Snipers motto Kickaha? A few of those shots are aimed to maim, not to kill.

Timber020

14th November 2006, 13:01

Whats a Snipers motto Kickaha? A few of those shots are aimed to maim, not to kill.

Shooting at Troops wearing full body armour makes killing them a little more challenging. Easier shots that only cripple when using a rifle that you may not have been well trained with or had the chance to properly sight in or may be in questionable condition, make alot of sense.

Besides a crippling shot sucks up the manpower more than if you dropped the guy clean. And it means by taking a few guys to look after him, theres less guys looking for where the shot came from.

BAD DAD

14th November 2006, 13:17

[QUOTE=scumdog;822219]37 so far? pfft!
Saw 'private footage' of two 'abandoned' trucks being 'captured' by some bunch of armed ragheads, when the "Western" (you guess which country) guy detonated them by remote there was a shitload more than 37 died in on massive bang and flash, never seen such instant evaporation .....

Sounds like a good way to try and discourage "people" from stealing cars and motorcycles. Probably only need a couple of hits and the effect would last at least a year or two

Ghost Lemur

14th November 2006, 13:21

Shooting at Troops wearing full body armour makes killing them a little more challenging. Easier shots that only cripple when using a rifle that you may not have been well trained with or had the chance to properly sight in or may be in questionable condition, make alot of sense.

Besides a crippling shot sucks up the manpower more than if you dropped the guy clean. And it means by taking a few guys to look after him, theres less guys looking for where the shot came from.

Tis the purpose of landmines too. To maim the enemy. And as the US refuses to sign the anti-landmine treaty I don't think they can be crying to much on that subject either.

Personally I'd shoot to maim too. It makes sense, it hurts the enemy more than a dead body, both in the field and for years to come.

Sorry Sniper, but compared to some vids I've seen I saw absolutely nothing wrong with Juba. Picking off armed occupational military forces (whether it be to kill or maim) is fine in anyone's book of war. Now the vids I saw of a laughing US military gunning down an unarmed civilians is another matter.

Sorry but I still find it funny that people can seriously believe in a war again a military tactic "War on Terror". What's next? "War on Flanking"?

Kickaha

14th November 2006, 17:07

Whats a Snipers motto Kickaha?

Eat more pies?

A few of those shots are aimed to maim, not to kill.

And you can prove that how?

They can't even agree if Juba is one person, some reports already say he was caught and killed

Listen up you maggots, its time for me to put you straight!

I cant tell you how disgusted I am at all your unlisted arses, the lack of respect shown to the one you call sniper (Real name must be withheld due to national security gaurd protection Scheme.) is down right shamfull! I trained this man to be a killing machine, to move with such stealth and speed he could not possibly be detected by the human eye! I have sat back and watched you all for too long, i must share with you the day i'll never forget, the day a great man graduated from our sniper security school!!! My heart, and groin, burned with pleasure that fine day. Now all you yellow-belly ingreats, pull yourselves into line and respect his authourity.

HERE it is the PROOF you all have been waiting for!

Bren_chch

14th November 2006, 17:53

:gob:

sniper, looking sharp, looking deadly... not sure about ya footwear though, is that standard issue?

Joni

14th November 2006, 17:56

bwwaahahaaaha, shit my stomach is sore from laughing.... :lol:

The_Dover

14th November 2006, 18:03

hopefully you can explain to me why medics fight on the frontline :msn-wink:

cos some cunt keeps shooting people

Sniper

14th November 2006, 18:43

Besides a crippling shot sucks up the manpower more than if you dropped the guy clean. And it means by taking a few guys to look after him, theres less guys looking for where the shot came from.

Im sorry, but bullshit. A shot that kills someone takes up the same amount of manpower as a wounded man. Its only in the movies that you see a nice clean shot in the head. In real life you have just seen a friend go down and all you want is to get him out of harms way, alive or dead and that till takes he power of you, a medic and if they are dead or seriously injured, 4 people to carry the stretcher.

The_Dover

14th November 2006, 18:45

the 5.56mm NATO round was designed to maim and not kill

a 7.62 will put a gaping hole in the back of a man

a 5.56 will put small holes front and back and leave some mess inside.

the agony head fucks with the troops

Sniper

14th November 2006, 18:51

the 5.56mm NATO round was designed to maim and not kill

True, as well as being designed for a soldier to carry more rounds into battle and also to lower the overall weight of a soldiers pack.

a 7.62 will put a gaping hole in the back of a man

Not entirely true. You take a FMJ 7.62 and unless you have lost most of the forward momentum of the round, the bullet will punch straight through and unless it hits a bone or obstruction, it will leave the body pretty cleanly.
You alter the round even slightly by introducing any gaps, cuts or hollow end and the round will expand to cause damage

cowpoos

14th November 2006, 18:56

I doubt snipers would use those calbire's for their work..... more like .50cal a mans gun!!

The_Dover

14th November 2006, 18:58

not in any army worth fighting in

maybe the yanks who get they're arses kicked by camel fuckers

Sniper

14th November 2006, 19:01

I doubt snipers would use those calbire's for their work..... more like .50cal a mans gun!!

The most common calibre for a sniper to use is 7.62 for a variety of reasons. .50 is great, but there are certain restrictions that prevent people using them

not in any army worth fighting in

maybe the yanks who get they're arses kicked by camel fuckers

You'll find its more the canadians that use .50.

Kickaha

14th November 2006, 19:04

Im sorry, but bullshit. A shot that kills someone takes up the same amount of manpower as a wounded man. .

Thats interesting because a lot of people think otherwise because dead people don't require any care

Traditional military thinking says it is better to wound an enemy than kill him outright, because a wounded soldier requires the assistance of up to a dozen others to get him off the battlefield and into care, so wounding an enemy is strategic attrition

cowpoos

14th November 2006, 19:05

ain't a 7.62x39 a close range cal ?

Sniper

14th November 2006, 19:10

Thats interesting because a lot of people think otherwise because dead people don't require any care

You have to find out they are dead before making that call. Its true that a wounded man requires more care IF you take into account the personal who treat him AFTER he has been removed from the battlefeild. Otherwise when the shit hits the fan, it takes the same amount of folk to handel a dead soldier and a wounded soldier

ain't a 7.62x39 a close range cal ?

Most common calibers used by snipers are

5.56x45mm NATO (.223 Rem)
6.16x51mm (.243 Win)
260 Remington
6.5x55mm (6.5mm Swedish)
6.5x284mm (6.5x284 Norma)
7mm Rem Mag
7.7x56mm R (.303 British)
7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Win)
7.62x54mmR (7.62 Rimmed)
7.62x63mm (.30-06 Springfield)
.300 Win Mag
8.60x70mm (.338 Lapua)
12.7x99mm

So you are right about 7.62x39

scumdog

14th November 2006, 19:12

ain't a 7.62x39 a close range cal ?

They're talking about 7.62X51, the 308 Winchester.

A lot better at long range than the 7.62X39, launches a heavier bullet at higher velocity.

World record group is 10 shots at 1000yards in a group that could be covered by a US $1 bill.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure of the above.

Kickaha

14th November 2006, 19:19

You have to find out they are dead before making that call. Its true that a wounded man requires more care IF you take into account the personal who treat him AFTER he has been removed from the battlefeild. Otherwise when the shit hits the fan, it takes the same amount of folk to handel a dead soldier and a wounded soldier

Once it is established he is dead he requires no further care

Once it is established he is alive and wounded (depending on the severity) he then requires care before he is removed from the battlefield (if that is possible) which will tie up at least one person as a minimum, more if he is a stretcher case

A wonded man will always require more resources tied up in his care both on and off the battlefield than a dead one

Bren_chch

14th November 2006, 19:32

out of interest... what .cal were u using when this photo was taken?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46089&d=1163483203

Sniper

14th November 2006, 19:32

Once it is established he is dead he requires no further care

Maybe that a point of veiw Im unfamilier with. But I disagree. A dead soldier requires removal from the battlefeild, equipment stripped and distributed amongst the rest of the section and then the body secured for removal. It isnt WW1 or 2 where bodies are just left lying around left and right. An organised section will look after each other, alive or dead.

Once it is established he is alive and wounded (depending on the severity) he then requires care before he is removed from the battlefield (if that is possible) which will tie up at least one person as a minimum, more if he is a stretcher case

You are right, but depending on the severity of an injury, a soldier may not need any other soldiers for care. If its severe then the soldier still needs to be removed from a dangerzone, secured to make sure of how severe the injury is. Depending of if he is able to carry on, the decision needs to be made as to what happens with the equipment he carries.

A wonded man will always require more resources tied up in his care both on and off the battlefield than a dead one

You are wrong sorry Kickaha. A section contains 8 soldiers, so I find it hard to see how people arrive at the 12 people required to look after an injured soldier. Im the event of a soldier going down in battle, 4 men are required to asertain the extent of the injuries, secure and then move the soldier anmd then all 8 are brought together if the kit needs to be dispersed.

Im not saying Im an expert in the feild, and I know if you include the after battlecare then a dead soldier requires less care, but Im not arguing that fact. But I want to know how you arrive at your ideas on how injured and dead soldiers are handled in battle?

out of interest... what .cal were u using when this photo was taken?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...9&d=1163483203
If I didnt respect you for the help you once gave me, I would say something along the lines of "Get fucked."

Timber020

14th November 2006, 19:35

Im sorry, but bullshit. A shot that kills someone takes up the same amount of manpower as a wounded man. Its only in the movies that you see a nice clean shot in the head. In real life you have just seen a friend go down and all you want is to get him out of harms way, alive or dead and that till takes he power of you, a medic and if they are dead or seriously injured, 4 people to carry the stretcher.

Okay so the guy in a squad of 8 goes down. Depending on the environment 2 or 3 guys are going to attend to him while the others take defensive positions. If the guy is dead, then the others can join the rest in lookout for the sniper. If hes alive, he needs at least one guy looking after him, probably 2 who are then unable to help the rest. Isnt that right? Why wouldnt it require more members of the squad to look after an injured guy?

Sniper

14th November 2006, 19:38

If you read my post above it might help you realise. Didnt mean to be so blunt in the earlier post, sorry.

Joni

14th November 2006, 19:39

out of interest... what .cal were u using when this photo was taken?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46089&d=1163483203You must spread more rep before giving it to bren_chch blah blah blah... :sunny:

Sniper

14th November 2006, 19:43

You must spread more rep before giving it to bren_chch blah blah blah... :sunny:

You going to add anything constructive or are you just going to help take the piss about something you dont understand?

scumdog

14th November 2006, 19:45

Mwuhahahahahaah!!:shutup: :dodge:

doc

14th November 2006, 20:06

Armchair rhetoric who friggin cares, this is starting to get like Reality TV everyone analysing theoretical situations, out of the environment when you do it for real a completely different set of outcomes happen. 2 MINUTE NOODLES CAN BE THE HIGHLIGHT OF YOUR DAY after a hard day at the office in the 'J" and the fact you are able to eat them. Where's this Juba prick we can sort him out at one rallies surely not .

Bren_chch

14th November 2006, 20:12

If I didnt respect you for the help you once gave me, I would say something along the lines of "Get fucked."

come on now Sniper, its too fucken funny to be like that! :done:

Sniper

14th November 2006, 20:15

come on now Sniper, its too fucken funny to be like that! :done:

For others that enjoy taking the piss rather than know when to keep quiet or offer an opinion to the topic at hand. As for me, I dont see that as funny. I tried to help out a fellow KB'er and have since been ridiculed for it.

scumdog

14th November 2006, 20:43

For others that enjoy taking the piss rather than know when to keep quiet or offer an opinion to the topic at hand. As for me, I dont see that as funny. I tried to help out a fellow KB'er and have since been ridiculed for it.

Hey, c'mon man, it goes with the territory, look at the shit I get both directly and indirectly.
Lighten up eh 'cos nobody will give a fxxx if you don't.:yes:

onearmedbandit

14th November 2006, 20:46

But that's what the internet is about isn't it? Think of all the photoshopped photos circulating the 'net that we've all laughed at. Look at it this way, you're a true legend now, an internet legend! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sniper

14th November 2006, 20:57

doc

14th November 2006, 21:02

Hey, c'mon man, it goes with the territory, look at the shit I get both directly and indirectly.
Lighten up eh 'cos nobody will give a fxxx if you don't.:yes:

Yeah you ruining a good motorcycle related brotherhood of serious IT capable enthusiusts bullshiting about how fast they have been on their imaginary bikes, heck I've had to go and get a 6.5 hp lawnmower just to feel the power of a serious single engine. No FXR150 for me man, wait till Briggs and Stratton bring out a V Twin then I'll be the man

Kickaha

14th November 2006, 21:05

. A dead soldier requires removal from the battlefeild,

That option wont always be available straight away

Im the event of a soldier going down in battle, 4 men are required to asertain the extent of the injuries, secure and then move the soldier anmd then all 8 are brought together if the kit needs to be dispersed.

and once the kit is dispersed does someone sit and hold the dead guys hand? no they wont but if he is wounded enough to require medical attention someone will have to look after him thus taking at least one person away from combat duties

Timber020 has already asked the most important question and your explanation really doesn't cover it

Why wouldnt it require more members of the squad to look after an injured guy?

I'm not interested in the aftercare part when he has been removed from the battlefield, I'm talking while combat is taking place and the option of removing them from the battlefield may not exisit

Kickaha

14th November 2006, 21:07

wait till Briggs and Stratton bring out a V Twin then I'll be the man

They already do, Scumdogs got one in his Harley:yes:

Sniper

14th November 2006, 21:21

That option wont always be available straight away

Neither is helping a wounded soldier.

and once the kit is dispersed does someone sit and hold the dead guys hand? no they wont but if he is wounded enough to require medical attention someone will have to look after him thus taking at least one person away from combat duties

No, but you dont leave a dead man in a spot and go back later to pick him up. You do the same as a seriously wounded man and remove him to a secure spot for a medivac and all 4 soldiers (the ones carrying the stretcher) are required to wait until the dead or injured soldier is removed from the feild. In the event of a minor wound (In/out shot), grazing shot or any other wound that means the soldier can still perform without risk of further injury, the soldier is patched up by the section medic and then put back into the fight. If the wound is more serious, then the soldier is moved to a safer location by at least 4 other soldiers and medivaced out of harms way. Im not sure exactly on how a medic would handel the wound situation and make a decision on how serious the wound is, but I know what Ive been told about handleing a situation.

Timber020 has already asked the most important question and your explanation really doesn't cover it

I thought the answer was pretty clear, No it takes the same amount of people. Unless you you want to introduce factors of wound severity ect.

I'm not interested in the aftercare part when he has been removed from the battlefield, I'm talking while combat is taking place and the option of removing them from the battlefield may not exisit

Exactly, you still need to move a dead person to a medivac just the same as you would a severly injured person. You dont look at a dead soldier and carry on. You still need to perform basic medical help until it has been proven he is dead. And that will involve at least 3 or 4 soldiers, same amount a severly injured soldier would.

scumdog

14th November 2006, 21:23

They already do, Scumdogs got one in his Harley:yes:

Fuck off, I WISH!
Would probably make it go faster than the present 25kw 'power' unit.

dangerous

15th November 2006, 05:39

out of interest... what .cal were u using when this photo was taken?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46089&d=1163483203

Ohhh man... I never relised MotoEquip released a 0ne piece leather in those colours, could the Minotur rep please contact me... just one question tho... is the rifle an optional extra?

And just to stay on topic... I used a rifle once :mellow:

scumdog

15th November 2006, 07:55

And just to stay on topic... I used a rifle once :mellow:

What as?
A lever to lift the lid on a packing-case?:dodge:

Hoon

15th November 2006, 10:30

Im sorry, but bullshit. A shot that kills someone takes up the same amount of manpower as a wounded man.
I'm sorry but I've got to disagree with you as well. It maybe your belief or what you've been told but I've always been taught that a wounded soldier takes more resources than a dead one. Even Major John Plaster confirms this in his Ultimate Sniper (http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sniper-2006-Advanced-Training/dp/B000FN2BSG/sr=1-1/qid=1163541124/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-3309280-7765719?ie=UTF8&s=books) book which is considered the bible for any Sniper and also the same book this Juba guy claims to have learnt from.

I do agree that in the confusion of battle a dead soldier might be treated much the same as a wounded soldier but once their condition has been confirmed then the attention/priority/resources required of a dead person will always take a back seat to any wounded.

Likewise if I was Det/Section/Squad Commander and one of my men went down I would have to deal with him and call in a casevac (casualty evacuation), provide medical assistance and security but if he was dead then as a commander I would have more options and depending on how critical my mission was could opt to cache his body, radio it in and proceed with the mission as gruesome as it may sound.

This is the basis of the wounded vs kill argument and I have to agree with it.

The_Dover

15th November 2006, 10:33

i'll tell you what

if some cunt is shooting at me then i'm not fuckin around trying to pick up a corpse, but if my mate is screaming cos some shithead just put a red hot slug in his arse then I will try and get him to safety and do what I can.

There's a reason the dead guy is dead.

He's in the place the bullets are hitting.

scumdog

15th November 2006, 13:06

i'll tell you what

There's a reason the dead guy is dead.

He's in the place the bullets are hitting.

And the wounded one was hit by what?:wait:

The_Dover

15th November 2006, 13:12

depends, if the yanks are involved then it'll be friendly fire otherwise it'll be Snipers toys flying out of the pram.

you know what I mean you cantankerous old fart. you'd be fuckin retarded to hang around to ship out a corpse if there's still a firefight occuring, this is assuming you're are not pinned down (by SNIPER fire).

Buddha#81

18th November 2006, 09:30

Im sorry, but bullshit. A shot that kills someone takes up the same amount of manpower as a wounded man. Its only in the movies that you see a nice clean shot in the head. In real life you have just seen a friend go down and all you want is to get him out of harms way, alive or dead and that till takes he power of you, a medic and if they are dead or seriously injured, 4 people to carry the stretcher.

NO I'm sorry, but for a so called Sniper you know fark all.

1 dead can be delt with days later with 1 guy on a excavator.

1 wounded requires his section to defend the postion while the medic deals with him, the the medivac, the feild hospital, the base hosiptal, the recovery back into the community fark where do I stop.

Nato uses the 5.56 round for various reason including it wounds more than kills thus using up more resourses, taught on Basic traing (in the 80's anyway). But I understand you never finished one (could be wrong).

Timber020

18th November 2006, 10:41

Everybody knows as much as they have been taught or learned in there life. Im using info I know, sniper is offering from his knowledge and experience as are other people.

Lets keep it clean guys.Its just like a honda vs suzuki thing, no point in personal attacks

Sniper

18th November 2006, 13:17

NO I'm sorry, but for a so called Sniper you know fark all.

1 dead can be delt with days later with 1 guy on a excavator.

1 wounded requires his section to defend the postion while the medic deals with him, the the medivac, the feild hospital, the base hosiptal, the recovery back into the community fark where do I stop.

Nato uses the 5.56 round for various reason including it wounds more than kills thus using up more resourses, taught on Basic traing (in the 80's anyway). But I understand you never finished one (could be wrong).

What corps were you in he Army? Admin? I have been talking the whole time about being in the middle of a firefight and a soldier goes down. Did you even read the rest of the thread before you posted?

A wounded soldier will take more people to take care of him when you add all the care and rehab aftyerwards. You watch too many movies if you believe that once a soldier KIA you leave the body there and carry on. You may as well leave any soldier who gets shot just lying there. If you say you did a Basic, you know how much a fellow soldier becomes your brother, the bond deepens under fire and I am yet to see any man leave a mate lying there dead or wounded and carry on.

As I said to another member in a PM. Too many fucken armchair coaches on KB who rely on what they think or have read rather than experience. Not insinuating you mate, but still, I have met a shit load of people who share the same veiws as me. Its an interesting subject.

Everybody knows as much as they have been taught or learned in there life. Im using info I know, sniper is offering from his knowledge and experience as are other people.

Lets keep it clean guys.Its just like a honda vs suzuki thing, no point in personal attacks

Cheers mate :)

dangerous

18th November 2006, 13:43

Sniper... LMFAO, if only you knew how many of us have serverd time in the military, spud knows more than you will ever know... and I know SFA :Punk:

Buddha#81

18th November 2006, 13:46

Best mate or not, if he's dead he's dead I'm not hanging around a dead body weaping while some farkers lobbing shit at me, thats the army bands job in battle - picking up the bodys!
I was a pay clerk in the SAS for a couple of years (maybe). At lest I dont spout on about being something I'm not. I might change my KBer name to "Armour" or "Trooper" they both have a nice ring to them.
Don't need to watch movies although Saving Private Ryan is pretty good.

jonbuoy

18th November 2006, 13:58

IMHO..... I thought mines were designed to maim and not kill for that reason. I personally wouldn't want anybody to risk their life "rescuing" my corpse, if my brain is dead i'm a lump of meat. Depends on how religous you are if you agree or not.

Sniper

18th November 2006, 17:59

Sniper... LMFAO, if only you knew how many of us have serverd time in the military, spud knows more than you will ever know... and I know SFA :Punk:

I didnt say he didnt. And I dont care how many of you have served time.

Best mate or not, if he's dead he's dead I'm not hanging around a dead body weaping while some farkers lobbing shit at me, thats the army bands job in battle - picking up the bodys!
I was a pay clerk in the SAS for a couple of years (maybe). At lest I dont spout on about being something I'm not. I might change my KBer name to "Armour" or "Trooper" they both have a nice ring to them.
Don't need to watch movies although Saving Private Ryan is pretty good.

Fair enough mate, so you have served, good to see you did something worthwhile, Im not an admin fan. Like Ive said, I believe in one thing, you believe in the other, you dont see me telling you that you are wrong.

Since when have I spouted on about being something Im not? Ive relied on past experiences and those of friends to relay my thoughts on a topic. If you disagree, thats cool, thats your opinion. You change your name to what ever you want. Ive used Sniper for years and I use it on a fair amount of other forums too. I like it, so do others.

Sniper

18th November 2006, 18:09

The_Dover

18th November 2006, 18:14

<img src="http://www.komedia.civ.pl/das/osoby/pike.jpg">

Mum won't like it, Uncle Arthur.

Ixion

18th November 2006, 18:16

Yeah you ruining a good motorcycle related brotherhood of serious IT capable enthusiusts bullshiting about how fast they have been on their imaginary bikes, heck I've had to go and get a 6.5 hp lawnmower just to feel the power of a serious single engine. No FXR150 for me man, wait till Briggs and Stratton bring out a V Twin then I'll be the man

Like this one, y'mean? Up to 35hp.

doc

18th November 2006, 18:29

<img src="http://www.komedia.civ.pl/das/osoby/pike.jpg">

Mum won't like it, Uncle Arthur.

Fark if thats really you Dover I've got a woody and I'm goin on one of those thurs night rides especialy if you will be dressed like that.

doc

18th November 2006, 18:34

Like this one, y'mean? Up to 35hp.

Pssst, Don't let Dangerous and the rest of those Guzzi freaks see this they will be real envious is it a Briggs agricultural engine or just agricultural

doc

18th November 2006, 18:49

On another note. Ive offered my opinions and reasons on the thread. There are a few who disagree with me and in all honesty, I believe them to be talking about stuff they have heard or read rather than done. If you served in the NZ Army or any other forces, good on you. You have my respect. I have not asked who has been deployed to hot spots or done peace keeping duties.

I believe all are allowed their opinions, but I dont believe people have the right to tell others that their opinions are wrong. So to the rest of you, Get Fucked

If you still want to go on that date where you promised me a beer. What happened to the "Need to know" policy there are some things the average Joe Bloggs don't need to know or you don't discuss or bring up in public. Some of this shit only gets mentioned at the Rizza on Anzac day far as I'm concerned and it stays there, and you like to keep it alive and prevocative like your avatar which will get those in the know heckled up. And remember if we go on this date I'm the one on top Sonny Jim.

stanko

18th November 2006, 18:52

Get Fucked

Repost .

Sniper

18th November 2006, 19:36

And remember if we go on this date I'm the one on top Sonny Jim.

Like hell!

Repost .
Please dont ask me to search how many times "Get fucked" has been used

Buddha#81

18th November 2006, 20:28

Lay off the poor guy he may flip and gun down everyone at Mackers Eastgate and going by his avitar and profile picture he is up to the task.:love: group hug everyone...... we dont want anyone loosing an eye.

doc

18th November 2006, 20:45

Buddha#81

18th November 2006, 21:01

YEP fair enough you win. Familiar with section 8 are ya

Just ask Klinger.:shit: :shutup:

dangerous

18th November 2006, 21:13

Since when have I spouted on about being something Im not?

Ohhh one thing comes to mind, lets say drifting Brens Blade at 200k... a bike that you have never ridden... on this planet :shutup:

BTW Rashika served as a medic in the NZ Army, its been interesting hearing what she thinks of this topic.

And Ixion... put that V twin away, before you do some damage

Buddha#81

19th November 2006, 05:46

Ohhh one thing comes to mind, lets say drifting Brens Blade at 200k... a bike that you have never ridden... on this planet :shutup:

BTW Rashika served as a medic in the NZ Army, its been interesting hearing what she thinks of this topic.

And Ixion... put that V twin away, before you do some damage

Rashika and I must have a yack as a ex pay clerk we have plenty to talk about.

Sniper

19th November 2006, 08:34

Ohhh one thing comes to mind, lets say drifting Brens Blade at 200k... a bike that you have never ridden... on this planet :shutup:

Jesus Christ, I have no idea who made up that shite, but it certainly wasnt me. Ive never ridden Brens bike, the closest Ive been is sitting on it and as I remeber having quite a large discussion last year more than once about the shit cetain KBers in chch are making up about me.

Fuck, Im the Christchurch skidMark and Im not even the one saying things LMAO!!!

BTW Rashika served as a medic in the NZ Army, its been interesting hearing what she thinks of this topic.

I know, Ive been waiting to hear what she says too. My flatmate was a medic too and he is the first medic I have found to agree with me without any discussion.

I actually have no idea why Im arguing with people about shit like this, its a fucken personal opinion. One thing Ive noticed though is by now a thread thats resorted to this level of discussion usually gets locked, PD'ed or told to tone it down.

dangerous

19th November 2006, 08:44

Jesus Christ,

You can call me 'dangerous' but thanks all the same... mate just a wind up you know that, mind you some of your stories tend to get carried away.

Ask ya flat mate this then Snip... when carring a wounded or dead body out of the battle field, what is the main difference between stretchering them???
Ill give you a hint 'head and toes'

BTW, I think the two medics wont agree.

Sniper

19th November 2006, 08:52

You can call me 'dangerous' but thanks all the same... mate just a wind up you know that, while some of your stories tend to get carried away, Id just like to say that sniper is the sorta guy that would help out a biker anyway he could..

Thanks mate. But its like a fucken gang bang, Im expected to bite.

Ask ya flat mate this then Snip... when carring a wounded or dead body out of the battle field, what is the main difference between streachering them???
Ill give you a hint 'head and toes'

BTW, I think the two medics wont agree.

I think you are right about the medics not agreeing. But the bodies Ive seen and carried were stretchered or airlifted. Mind you, a couple of them were civvies in a car accident.

dangerous

19th November 2006, 09:18

I think you are right about the medics not agreeing.

But the bodies Ive seen and carried were stretchered or airlifted. Mind you, a couple of them were civvies in a car accident.

Funny that...
Now answer the question

Ask ya flat mate this then Snip... when carring a wounded or dead body out of the battle field, what is the main difference between streachering them???
Ill give you a hint 'head and toes'

Sniper

19th November 2006, 09:42

He asked why should there be a difference?

EDIT: Unless you are talking about having a wounded legs elevate above the heart??- Sniper

Rashika

19th November 2006, 10:04

And hopefully you can explain to me why medics fight on the frontline :msn-wink:
umm they dont, ever... unless forced uinto a situation where they have to
They help the injured usually at a further back point, but dont 'fight' on the front line. Some of what you say i agree with, some not...but my experience isn't huge, I am going by what I was taught and shown by much more experienced personnelle. And yes it does take 4 people to stretcher a person be they dead or alive...have you ever tried to carry a body with a rifle, and all ya gear, under barbed wire, thru streams and under bombardment, especially if they are some 6ft 4 bloke with all their gear.

He asked why should there be a difference?

its one of the first things i learned and has stuck by me thru the years...it makes it easy for the docs/nurses to know straight away from a long distance if they have a person to save or bury

Sniper

19th November 2006, 10:14

umm they dont, ever... unless forced uinto a situation where they have to
They help the injured usually at a further back point, but dont 'fight' on the front line. Some of what you say i agree with, some not...but my experience isn't huge, I am going by what I was taught and shown by much more experienced personnelle. And yes it does take 4 people to stretcher a person be they dead or alive...have you ever tried to carry a body with a rifle, and all ya gear, under barbed wire, thru streams and under bombardment, especially if they are some 6ft 4 bloke with all their gear.

Ive run with a body in full FSMO, rifle and a water container for 5 clicks. Not under bombardment or fire but still not my idea of a good afternoon, but I know what you mean. I do appreciate what you say and the fact that you know where Im coming from.

its one of the first things i learned and has stuck by me thru the years...it makes it easy for the docs/nurses to know straight away from a long distance if they have a person to save or bury

I'll pass that on thanks. So what is it about bringing a body back thats different to bringing injured back?

Ixion

19th November 2006, 10:17

,,
I actually have no idea why Im arguing with people about shit like this, its a fucken personal opinion. One thing Ive noticed though is by now a thread thats resorted to this level of discussion usually gets locked, PD'ed or told to tone it down.

We're watching it. It's close, but you're all big boys and girls.

Joni

20th November 2006, 06:09

It's close, but you're all big boys and girls.Hmm not sure if I agree with you Ixion - however will pop you a pm.

Buddha#81

21st November 2006, 06:46

We're watching it. It's close, but you're all big boys and girls.

Geeeeeeez that put a stop to our fun.:gob:

dangerous

21st November 2006, 17:36

Geeeeeeez that put a stop to our fun.:gob:

No stop as far as I can see...

OK Snip, ya havent answered the question, so ya obviously dont have a flatmate thats a x Medic, and you obviously never did basic training... now even I know that if a body is a dead burger then its carried in feet 1st... if its a tad munted but breathing then its carried in head 1st :rockon:
Maybe you can explain why that is... NA, didnt think so :done:

Buddha#81

21st November 2006, 18:25

No stop as far as I can see...

OK Snip, ya havent answered the question, so ya obviously dont have a flatmate thats a x Medic, and you obviously never did basic training... now even I know that if a body is a dead burger then its carried in feet 1st... if its a tad munted but breathing then its carried in head 1st :rockon:
Maybe you can explain why that is... NA, didnt think so :done:

The newboy streacher carrier allways goes second/behind so being the newby and inexperienced if he drops the streacher = dead guy lands on head munted live guy lands on feet, as tested on myth busters. There you go Sniper answered for you so you can spend more time at the range sharpening up those skills.