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manyrevs
14th November 2006, 12:04
Over the weekend, my brother and I, who both have VTR's, tried each others bikes for comparo. We both bought them new on the same day, have virtually the same K's on the clock (approx 3500km). We have performed quite a few little improvements and/or mods and also set up the bikes suspension to the way we both like them. One slight bitch that we both had was the lack off "off-the-mark" punch that big V-Twins are supposed to have. It was there but felt more like a slap with a wet bus ticket rather than a punch...

Not really ever being a V-Twin guy in the past, we both decided to ride a tamer type of bike this time, with more usable power for scooting in and out of hills without the fear of having the rear tyre step out from underneath us because of the mountains of horsepower the bike pokes out. Always in the back of our minds was the possibility of buying a V-Twin. Well the price was right ($12,500-NZ)and the time was right so we bought them. The bikes never seemed that grunty but as they were run-in they loosened up and became more like the reputation they had, yet off the mark punch was lacking. One mod we both became aware of was the air filter mod, which involved cutting off the lip which goes across the filters back and also removing the slotted mount that it slides into on the inside of the filters housing. This for some reason restricts breathing at lower rpm's, just why I will never understand. My brother was a little unsure just how much better it was over a few good rides, until he put the original filter back in, so he quickly put the modded one in again them we both set off for a comparo. We swapped bikes down the road and I immediately noticed that the bike would pull away from 2500 rpm or even lower in top gear, whereas on mine, I had to change down a few gears to stop it from rattling itself to death until up and over about 3500 rpm. The difference was very noticable when you had two bikes to compare, on the spot. As soon as we got home, out came my air filter as well as the hacksaw and in 5 minutes my bike was modded.

Lastnight we took the bikes for a quick blast to see... For the first time I managed to go over a small twisty hill road in top gear, all the way. Previously I could not do this without tap dancing on that gear lever. One guy over the internet quoted about 30% power increase noticability at 2500 - 4000 rpm. I would like to add that it may well be much more than that, if you go by feel alone. The difference was quite unbelievable. It's NOT the kind of difference you notice when you "try to notice" it on a straight piece of road but when exiting a corner and powering on, it becomes more than apparent. I almost ended up on my arse as I negotiated a tight "S" bend in the road through some hills a bit further down the road. I went into the corner as per normal then powered out as per normal, then as the bike began to exit proper, I sat up and prepared to lean over the other way only to realize that the front wheel was sliding straight toward the edge of the "S". There was a real nervous moment here as the slide was more than just a small one. I honestly thought I was going to dump it for an instant, but luckily I kept the power on and sat it up straight, where upon the tyre bit again giving me a chance to swing on the brakes and line up for the second part of the bend. The handlebars had actually turned right in towards the direction the bike was heading, almost as if I had lifted the front wheel off the road and gave an almighty flick as the tyre bit in again. At this point I sort of tended to slow down a wee bit and take care, well at least until the next corner, where it was "business as usual" again, only a tad more cautiously....

This mod really works...!!!

Fishy
14th November 2006, 12:28
Photo's would be a big help for people wanting to see exactly what you did :niceone:

jonbuoy
14th November 2006, 12:48
I've taken the snorkel off the airbox but never drilled holes. You sure its not just the louder induction note that makes it feel like its faster? Call me a old cycnic but if it made an increase of 30% Honda would have done it. But if you prove me wrong I won't mind.

manyrevs
14th November 2006, 15:24
The next time I lift the gas tank, I will try to get a few snaps of the mod. It's nothing much. Just unscrew the slotted rib that goes from one side of the housing (inside) to the other, also take out the air filter element and cut off the corresponding rib about 20mm wide, that goes right across the element and fits into that slotted rib. It is nothing more than a baffle and I can't really see why it is even there. We heard from Honda, they did it to try to get rid of air pulses at lower revs which sounded loud and also had an effect on the engines breathing at low revs, but all it really did was to starve the engine of breath and induce a lot resonance and also made the engine shake and rattle itself silly at revs below about 3000rpm, especially in top gear. It sounded as if somebody has thrown a few loose nuts and bolts into the gearbox and they are grinding themselves to bits in there. Getting rid of this rib gets rid of this noise and allows it to breathe properly and in turn, allows for heaps better power. When I use the words "heaps of better power", I am probably meaning only a few more horses but when bugger all horse are being produced at those low revs, anything is a noticable gain. It's not as if I am getting 150 hp or something...

Believe me... We both tried the two bikes side by side and there IS a huge difference between them, with and without the mod. Of that there is NO doubt... Also the fact that I was able to get over the hill I referred to, in top gear without changing once, was something that just couldn't be faked. The original motor would have rattled itself to bits, me along with it... The rattle has all but gone now, although there is a bit more of a throaty roar when accelerating but especially when deccelerating. So, no it's not just my imagination willing itself to believe something is better... It actually IS.!!!

oldguy
14th November 2006, 15:57
I've taken the snorkel off the airbox but never drilled holes. You sure its not just the louder induction note that makes it feel like its faster? Call me a old cycnic but if it made an increase of 30% Honda would have done it. But if you prove me wrong I won't mind.I think I would have to agree, K&N and tooth smaller on the front who needs Hi speed when you can wheel up, coming out of corners.

Stormer
14th November 2006, 17:26
Anyone know who sells K&N`s or any other good aftermarket aircleaners for VTR`s??
Also any online accessory sites...

The_Dover
14th November 2006, 17:35
fuck man, you should change your username to manywords.

Stormer
14th November 2006, 17:43
I was just asking a question.
What`s the fucken`problem with that??????????????????

cowpoos
14th November 2006, 17:47
he's just jealous coz u own a honda....coz owning a suzuki makes him look to manly....and his misses wants him to be a metrosexual!

Stormer
14th November 2006, 17:48
Oh shit, just clicked.
Sorry dude, scratch that last comment...too many after work Cody`s 12%s!!

jonbuoy
14th November 2006, 18:12
he's just jealous coz u own a honda....coz owning a suzuki makes him look to manly....and his misses wants him to be a metrosexual!

See you gotta be secure in your own sexuality and hung like a bull elephant to ride a honda. Bit like wearing a pink shirt out on the town.

paturoa
14th November 2006, 18:12
I tested the VTR and the SV beofre buying and the low speed chain snatch on the VTR was a major reason that I chose the SV, sounds like you've got the hunda more like the SV at low revs now.

The_Dover
14th November 2006, 18:13
Bit like wearing a pink shirt out on the town.

the mark of a true fag.

jonbuoy
14th November 2006, 18:22
the mark of a true fag.

It would go nice with that prada bag, can I borrow it?

The_Dover
14th November 2006, 18:23
i'll ask the missus

AllanB
14th November 2006, 18:31
www.denniskirk.com have filters etc for the VTR - all in US dollars ours is about 66 cents per US at the moment. Service is great and delivery on global air post is 7-10 days. Post can get expensive but often worth a look compared to NZ prices.
K&N listed at US$94 - that's $140 odd NZ plus shipping - not sure what they are worth in NZ. They also list a HIflo for US$30 - a direct replacement for the st ocker - excellent quality (HiFlo actually made filters for many makers).

Be aware that your Honda dealer may 'tut tut' any warranty claim that may occur if you use non stock engine parts during the warranty period.

To be honest in road trim I'd be surprised if a change to A k&n would be noticeable - might should faster but lets face it if you gain 2 hp you would not notice it.

Airbox mod sounds sound if it was starved at low revs, but I would have thought it would be limp at the top end if flow was restricted - any improvement there?

Damon
15th November 2006, 07:14
I priced up a K&N from AMPS about 6 months ago and they quoted $270!?! so i promptly said "fuck that" and forgot about it, if denniskirik.com can do them for $140 + shipping i'll be alot more interested

manyrevs
15th November 2006, 08:20
fuck man, you should change your username to manywords.

What..!!!!

All that from somebody who uses single vowel words, swears like a trooper and waves a "PINK" handbag around...!!!!

No Way.... Hahahaha...!!!!


Cheers Dover. Have a nice PINK day....

The_Dover
15th November 2006, 08:21
thank you, I will.

manyrevs
15th November 2006, 08:52
Hahaha... That's the spirit...!!!

NighthawkNZ
15th November 2006, 17:37
This mod really works...!!!



hmmmmmmmmmm....

manyrevs
16th November 2006, 11:23
hmmmmmmmmmm....

At this stage I would say...
"So you don't believe me, huh, well try it and see...!!!"

BUT,, you need a stock standard bike, as far as the intake and exhaust system goes. If you have an after market exhaust it will most likey take away, rather than 'give' extra power because an aftermarket exhaust will have been dyno'd to suit...

Then again, you also need to hack a piece of the filter element itself and once you cut it off, you can't get it back on... Cock up here and it costs you about $120+ for another element...

Lord only knows what anyone else might have done to your bike before you bought it - if it was second-hand of course...