A stadium decision! (27 November)

[Hitcher]

Govt Dumps Waterfront Stadium Idea

NewsRoom.co.nz Agency Story at 3:02 pm, 27 Nov 2006

The government has dumped the idea of building a stadium on Auckland's waterfront.

It will proceed with a redevelopment of the Eden Park stadium subject to issues including design and funding.

The Minister for the Rugby World Cup, Trevor Mallard, made the announcement a few minutes ago.

He said there was not enough agreement to go ahead with the waterfront plan.

(c) NewsRoom 2006

[jrandom]

Jolly good.

I don't think anyone who didn't grow up within 5km of Eden Park really understands.

The waterfront stadium idea was just wrong.

[Qkchk]

Its about farken time someone thought sensibly............ why waste $$$ on a new building where there is a perfect existing structure available to expand?

[Deano]

Its about farken time someone thought sensibly............ why waste $$$ on a new building where there is a perfect existing structure available to expand?

I agree with ya there.

BTW - Re: your signature.......blue balls are worse than a full bladder. :innocent:

[The_Dover]

great, that's traffic in mt eden, sandringham and kingsland fucked for the forseeable future.

god help any tourists who don't like walking to rugby games.

EDIT: Existing structured redeveloped? yeah right, to bring it up to any sort of world class standard they're gonna bowl the fuckin thing and rebuild from scratch. otherwise it's gonna be another no. 8 wire heap of shit.

I wonder how much of Col's Xmas bonus was shoved into mallards pocket by Beca for this one?

[Deano]

great, that's traffic in mt eden, sandringham and kingsland fucked for the forseeable future.


I thought you Orks would be used to shit traffic ?

Me, I'm five minutes from work. Screw commuting.

[McJim]

great, that's traffic in mt eden, sandringham and kingsland fucked for the forseeable future.

god help any tourists who don't like walking to rugby games.

EDIT: Existing structured redeveloped? yeah right, to bring it up to any sort of world class standard they're gonna bowl the fuckin thing and rebuild from scratch. otherwise it's gonna be another no. 8 wire heap of shit.

I wonder how much of Col's Xmas bonus was shoved into mallards pocket by Beca for this one?

Don't worry - nearer the time they'll screw up again in some other way and the IRB will award the actual games to Australia...again.... The traffic will be fine.

[Ghost Lemur]

Good to hear they've reached a sensible conclusion.

[The_Dover]

good point McJim.

at least Australia will feel they got value for money from their stadium.

two world cup finals in 8 years isn'tbad.

[MisterD]

Translation: Great, we've got that book about Don Brash to distract people from the money we stole from them so we can forget about the stadium debate.

[Gremlin]

they actually listened to someone/anyone?!?! :gob:

please don't tell me they are growing brains!!

[McJim]

It's gonna be funny when they have to abandon the matches at half time due to complaints from the local residents about the noise! Dontcher just love Auckland?

All those people that live near the waterfront that want to hold on to their gorgeous views of rusty cranes, cargo ships and a sea of jap imported used cars will be soo happy.

[forkoil]

Nope. sorry, waterfront stadium would have been awesome. Eden Park, 16 night games a year, restricted to rugby / cricket, in the middle of suburbia, what an almightly lost opportunity for getting a world class stadium. Damn ... (how depressing, the great kiwi NO machine prevails again - the last big one was compulsory super, another good idea NO'ed)

[The_Dover]

eden park is a shit stadium for rugby because of the cricket shite.

you are so far from the pitch you may as well be watching it in the pub. and I had fuckin good season tickets for two years.

i want to be close enough to the action to smell the all blacks shit themselves and bottle another semi final.

[Deano]

So long as it's a democratic 'NO'....

[jrandom]

There'll be a few hundred million dollars saved over the waterfront option.

Are we suddenly so filthy rich that we can't think of something more useful to do with it? Cash money's not an infinite resource.

[forkoil]

So long as it's a democratic 'NO'....
Majority decisions unfortunately are sometimes just plain wrong. Reasons include:
Will spoil MY view (apartment owners)
The Govt cant tell me what to do, they can go and get f*cked
It'll cost too much and I'll have to pay thru the rates
When global warming gets into gear, it'll flood
Looks like a bed pan
Upgrade Nth Hrbr (how to get 60000 ppl over the bridge)

[Colapop]

No matter what debate there was. There was never going to be a waterfront stadium. It has just been an exercise for the government to have an out clause "We were never going to fully fund stadium alterations at Eden park".

[Qkchk]

I agree with ya there.

BTW - Re: your signature.......blue balls are worse than a full bladder. :innocent:

:rofl: I cant compare with something Ive never had the unpleasure of having.... :p but I get ya drift.........:shit:

[Qkchk]

great, that's traffic in mt eden, sandringham and kingsland fucked for the forseeable future.



As if it isnt already.............. why worry when ya got bus lanes to use with two wheels?

[The_Dover]

i worry because with thousands of tourists (without motorbikes) it's going to be an embarassment.

[forkoil]

No matter what debate there was. There was never going to be a waterfront stadium. It has just been an exercise for the government to have an out clause "We were never going to fully fund stadium alterations at Eden park".
So the gummint calculated on a no vote? Even I'm not that cynical. I would have predicted the opposite, Was genuinely surprised by the size of the no vote... Buit the reasons were all spurious, as I said above

[Lias]

It's gonna be funny when they have to abandon the matches at half time due to complaints from the local residents about the noise! Dontcher just love Auckland?

All those people that live near the waterfront that want to hold on to their gorgeous views of rusty cranes, cargo ships and a sea of jap imported used cars will be soo happy.

I could be wrong but I was under the impression the government was going to ramrod legislation through to get it built (at either site) so that the normal RMA conditions and council restrictions etc wouldnt apply to the new stadium.

So no wankers can moan about things like that.

Then again I've still never quite forgiven the goverment for bringing in the resource management act in the first place. Worst piece of legislation ever.

[Deano]

The Govt cant tell me what to do, they can go and get f*cked


I like this one.

[Terminated]

I wonder how things may have turned out if there was planning 2years before the bid to host the Rugby World Cup and the councils and government interacted and involved the whole Auckland region to get a consensus for the city waterfront - would stadium have perhaps got the nod. I the recent events to ramrod a stadium at the waterfront was absolutely abysmal and showed a very poor side to central government - the Auckland Regional Council had no option really.


Now go back to the drawing board and think about:
I reckon forget about a stadium down there and strike up a debate to build out a waterfront say similar to Darling Harbour in Sydney incorporating gardens and restaurants and perhaps, perhaps, an entertainment centre.....
The harbour foreshore downtown is absolutely appalling and needs to be done up. The councils would do themselves a big favour by not dropping the ball now and strike ahead to landscape/seascape and not escape the opportunity in front of them.

[BuFfY]

The stupid thing is that there is like so much land up in Albany actually allocated to sport, where a new (awesome) stadium could be built, LOTS of parking, (which is the shite thing about Eden Park, I remember going to Blues games [to support Otago etc] and the parking was stupid!!!! I mean there is actually none.

They didn't actually think about the rest of the country, just Auckland. And just because Albany is in North Harbour (not Auckland) they wont build it there and they have hardly talked about it.

I think it is good it isn't on the waterfront because that would have cost billions, just to see if it could even be put there! But Eden Park is a bad idea (well that is my opinion anyway :yes: )

[forkoil]

The stupid thing is that there is like so much land up in Albany actually allocated to sport, where a new (awesome) stadium could be built, LOTS of parking,
Buffy: Plenty of parking, but how are 60000 ppl going to get across the bridge? Last Fri U2 concert just about shut down the bridge for 3 hours, imagine what a soldout stadium would do. (I'm on the shore too). At least the waterfront has all the public transport terminating close by, and all the pubs, restaurants there too. I guess from Harbour you could get a coffee at Northcross afterwards :no:

[SPman]

I guess from Harbour you could get a coffee at Northcross afterwards :no:
What!
You can get a coffee at Northcross now!
How times have changed!

[Grahameeboy]

eden park is a shit stadium for rugby because of the cricket shite.

you are so far from the pitch you may as well be watching it in the pub. and I had fuckin good season tickets for two years.

i want to be close enough to the action to smell the all blacks shit themselves and bottle another semi final.

I was originally totally against the waterfront, however, looking long term, in some ways it would have been a great advert to come to Auckland......we could spend $$ on Eden Park but will it attract more concerts etc in the way a waterfront state of the art stadium could do.....especially if..sorry, when the AB's win the world cup......I dunno not so sure now.....how will NZ look to the rest of the world now that they have said no to a new waterfront stadium which would have looked cool?

[BuFfY]

Buffy: Plenty of parking, but how are 60000 ppl going to get across the bridge? Last Fri U2 concert just about shut down the bridge for 3 hours, imagine what a soldout stadium would do. (I'm on the shore too). At least the waterfront has all the public transport terminating close by, and all the pubs, restaurants there too. I guess from Harbour you could get a coffee at Northcross afterwards :no:

And shutting down central auckland is better?!?

Atleast out there they could have all the public transport sorted

[dawnrazor]

The crazy thing about all this is that there is a ready made site in the heart of Auckland just crying out for a huge stadium - a show piece location, there is some stuff there at the moment, but that could be moved I'm sure.

Behold STADIUM ONE TREE HILL !

[dawnrazor]

seriously though I reckon house prices around Eden Park just nosed dived, if anyone is looking for a bargin

[Whynot]

seriously though I reckon house prices around Eden Park just nosed dived, if anyone is looking for a bargin

yea, theres nothing like living next to a construction zone for 5 years to make you want to move out ....... :yes:

[Hitcher]

There'll be a few hundred million dollars saved over the waterfront option.

It's interesting that the Gummint (as represented by Hon Trevor Mallard) now appears to be quibbling over a $150 million contribution for the Eden Park upgrade, when they appeared to be more than happy to spend $800 million on the waterfront. Fascinating.

And disappointing that yet again Aucklanders appear to be unable to agree on anything that improves their lot.

[Indiana_Jones]

Regardless where you put the stadium, there is gonna be traffic problems, granted, heavier in some places over others.

They just wouldn't be able to finish a water front stadium in time.

Poor Col's X-mas Bonus lol.........shit I work for the same company!

-Indy

[Colapop]

I still get it, bub.

The plain truth is that it would have cost closer to 1 & 1/2 billion and it still would not have been built on time. They would have to import labour to have the manpower to get it built. It would have cost the Labour government, governance for the next 2 terms at least.

It was gratifying to see Duckman eat his words.

[Skyryder]

Auckland lost a great chance, and why, because some bozo's on the ARC can not see past their own small world. New Zealand had a chance to build a true National Stadium. Gone forever. Good one ARC. Now the Edan Park crowd want public money to go into that and for what. A series of rugby matches that will last only a few weeks. How backward looking is that??

Skyryder

[Indiana_Jones]

I think we should still make a national stadium, but plan it, get decent designs, etc.

Just running into it like a horny virgin isn't gonna help and we'll all get covered in cum. :D

-Indy

[MisterD]

Auckland lost a great chance, and why, because some bozo's on the ARC can not see past their own small world.

On the contrary, the ARC seemed to be the only set of people using their brains. There were unknowns up the wazoo on the waterfront option and they quite sensibly made a decision to go with what we could actually finish in time.

[Skyryder]

On the contrary, the ARC seemed to be the only set of people using their brains. There were unknowns up the wazoo on the waterfront option and they quite sensibly made a decision to go with what we could actually finish in time.

I watched the Stadium debate the other night on One. The theme that came across from the ARC and Auckland Port People was that this stadium would interfere with port developoment. Now not living in Auckland I'm unaware of all the local, local of the port. But when it comes to Big buisness development money problems seem to dissapear and solutions can be found. This was nothing but a deliberate act of the ARC and cronies thumbing their nose up at Labour and Mallard. I suspect that opponents of the Waterfront were in much the same mood. We had a chance to build something realy spectacular but short sightedness coupled with poitical bigotry won the day.

Skyryder

[terbang]

They didn't actually think about the rest of the country, just Auckland. And just because Albany is in North Harbour (not Auckland) they wont build it there and they have hardly talked about it.



Over the bridge or over the bombays just doesn't seem to exist..!

[MisterD]

The theme that came across from the ARC and Auckland Port People was that this stadium would interfere with port developoment.

Well it is the gateway for the majority of NZ trade, so this needs to be considered.



This was nothing but a deliberate act of the ARC and cronies thumbing their nose up at Labour and Mallard.


The whole "debate" was a deliberate act by Labout and Mallard to foist something on Auckland with no consultation whatsoever. I'm glad someone had the balls to tell them to get stuffed - are you listening Old Mother Hubbard?



I suspect that opponents of the Waterfront were in much the same mood. We had a chance to build something realy spectacular but short sightedness coupled with poitical bigotry won the day.


If only spectacular was on the menu, rather than a half-baked copy of a German stadium that looks like a bedpan. Something needs to be done on the waterfront, no question, but what was on offer was not that something.

Spend a couple of hundred million tops to tart up Eden Park with particular emphasis on the train links in and out....that's done and we can get on with talking about what we do with the harbour front

[Hitcher]

I think we should still make a national stadium, but plan it, get decent designs, etc.

Just running into it like a horny virgin isn't gonna help and we'll all get covered in cum.

Good lord. Next you'll be suggesting that if Aucklanders all learned to pull together they could have a white Christmas...

[Squeak the Rat]

Good lord. Next you'll be suggesting that if Aucklanders all learned to pull together they could have a white Christmas...

That is truly a disgusting thought.

[Ixion]

Well, yeah, if all Aucklanders pulled together, the reult would be pretty white. And sticky, too.

[Whynot]

surprise, surprise ... it seems all the residents around Eden park don't like the idea.
:innocent:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10415510

[davereid]

They should have built the National Stadium in Christchurch

- Better Roads
- Better Airport
- Endless room for expansion
- Working Public Transport Network
- 1/3 of Aucklands rainfall