Video claims to make mockery of security chain standards

[Bob]

There is a video clip on YouTube at the moment, which shows a team making easy work of Thatcham and Sold Secure approved chains (including models from Abus, Datatool and Oxford).

The specification calls for the chains to resist attack by physical means for up to five minutes - some of the chains last for as little as 17 seconds before giving up to the bolt-cropper used.

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Given the ease at which the team appear to attack the chains, if this is the only means you have of securing your bike, time to look at adding additional layers of security.

[Brian d marge]

I ride an Enfield ,,,safe as Threadneedle st ........

Stephen

[JimO]

i would happily accept the insurance for mine

[Motu]

Most chains can be easily cut with bolt cutters,you'd have to have a chain they can't fit in the jaws.You need the anchor plate against the wall and the chain tight on the wall side of the bike so they can't get at it easily.Makes it a real bastard to lock up your bike - but as I don't ride everyday I don't mind spending the extra time,then putting the lawnmowers,rotary hoe and whatever else I can find in front of the bike.Delaying tactics - if they want it they will get it.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

True, with unlimited time you could break into Fort Knox if you wanted to. All you can do is deterence, make it look like to much trouble.

[NordieBoy]

Zanx has a real bee in his bonnet about security and the labeling of security products (he also makes and sells the worlds best coffee "Z-Brew" but won't ship it to NZ :().
I like Veg's disclaimer at the end of the vids "take us to court - please" type of thing.

[Dai]

When I was in the UK my bike was knicked from my back garden. The persons involved took down a brick wall to get the bike out.

I had a very heavy chain and an Abus padlock running through the back wheel and over the seat.

Police told me the thieves used liquid niitrogen and a hammer to shatter the padlock.

Would have taken all of 15 seconds.

Never used a chain since. Only had that bike (VFR750) for a grand total of 3 weeks.

[The Stranger]

There is a video clip on YouTube at the moment, which shows a team making easy work of Thatcham and Sold Secure approved chains (including models from Abus, Datatool and Oxford).

The specification calls for the chains to resist attack by physical means for up to five minutes - some of the chains last for as little as 17 seconds before giving up to the bolt-cropper used.

The video is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck&eurl=

Given the ease at which the team appear to attack the chains, if this is the only means you have of securing your bike, time to look at adding additional layers of security.

They look like Record bolt cutters with hardened jaws.
I doubt they would have succeeded with anything less i.e. your common garden variety bolt cutters or the Record bolt cutters with standard jaws I doubt would have looked at the chains. Have seen many bolt cutters destroyed even on high grade reinforcing.

That said, these bolt cutters are available to crims too.

Another way to cut case hardened chains is to take a triangle file and cut through the hardening then use a hacksaw or cheap bolt cutters.

I always use 2 lock mechanisms, usually a steel cable (as I have no faith in chains) and an alarm disk lock. A steel cable usually will not cut with a set of bolt cutters, the cable flattens and crushes. That said, very little will survive a 4" battery powered angle grinder.

Someone had a go at the GSXR. They cut the cable with a hacksaw, but they didn't get rid of the disk lock (that one wasn't alarmed). I still have the bike now thanks to the disk lock. I took the cable to a wire rope supplier and they recon it would have taken them a couple of hours to cut the cable by hacksaw.

I work on the principal that these people are inherrently lazy (else they would work for there shit) and hopefully they will find mine more trouble to steal than yours so take that instead.

[Swoop]

Only had that bike (VFR750) for a grand total of 3 weeks.

OUCH! I feel for ya on that one!

As CaN says, steel cable is an absolute bastard to cut through with boltcutters!!!

[WarlockNZ]

I've got a big ass Oxford chain and Disc lock .. mind you .. i sleep all of 15 feet from the bike anyway ... lol.

If i could get her into my room i bloody well would .. :yes:

[marty]

i've got a 1200mm long set of bolt cutters - an old 'key' from a previous employment. not much they couldn't break. i had the owner of a certain strip club in hamilton claim i had used explosives to break the titanium padlock on his bar - no, just my bolt cutters.....

[TLDV8]

I seem to remember there was a worldwide replacement program on the old U shaped kryptonite locks because they could be opened using a ball point pen body. :confused:

[NordieBoy]

It was Zanx who publicised that.

[Blind spot]

shit! some of those chains would have taken half the time to cut if the guy had a helper to stop it falling from the jaws.
Sure reinforces the old saying "a lock only stops an honest thief"

[Disco Dan]

Woah, that is pretty scary!

I use a wire cable now!!! and alarm!!

[Laava]

I have a motion sensor activated Billy Big Mouth Bass on the wall by my bike. Lets see 'em get past THAT annoying piece of crap!

[Zanx]

Hello, it's me :D

Couldn't let you guys fall into the trap of thinking that cable locks are good. I had a scooter stolen, I had a Kryptonite Barbed Wire or something. Basically what I saw was one crimp on the cable, then another successful crop on the pin that connects the wire to the locking mechanism. This is ALWAYS the weak point in cable locks, the cable has to come to a locking point somwhere and that is where they croppers end up. Those of you who have had your bikes saved by cable locks have been lucky, your thieves were stupid :D

I hope you Kiwis never have the level of bike theft and police/politician indifference to bike theft that we have, but if you do, the MINIMUM you need is a 16mm chain and high quality padlock (not from a bike shop) and a good ground anchor.

[sAsLEX]

I hope you Kiwis never have the level of bike theft and police/politician indifference to bike theft that we have, but if you do, the MINIMUM you need is a 16mm chain and high quality padlock (not from a bike shop) and a good ground anchor.

We use "garages" alot here. I know alot in the UK dont which leads to a higher theft rate.


I suggest the use of a big dog as well.

[Zanx]

We use "garages" alot here. I know alot in the UK dont which leads to a higher theft rate.


I suggest the use of a big dog as well.


Difficult to compare the two countries really, it's a totally different demographic.

We also have good transport links with primitive EU countries that are happy to launder stolen bikes.

[Motu]

Lets see 'em get past THAT

Oh boy - that's the biggest mistake you've ever made! :killingme

[Disco Dan]

Security? bah!

Fold in mirrors, open front door... ride through door. Park next to my bed.. arm alarm. Bliss...

The trouble with most kiwi garages.. is that people lock their bikes up inside their garage thinking it will be safe... well the little buggers break into you garage, (easy if its remote opening type) and...

"hey, wow... look at all these tools! woah... I'll just plug the grinder in... yeeeeoooowwwwip... done..."

It doesnt take much to nip down to the shop and buy a replacement remote... then drive down the road pressing the button.. a door will open soon enough!!

Either park you car in front of the garage, or put bolt locks into the concrete...

Garages are soooo insecure...:shutup:

[sAsLEX]

It doesnt take much to nip down to the shop and buy a replacement remote... then drive down the road pressing the button.. a door will open soon enough!!


Most have a code in them with a few hundred permutations so you would be very lucky to accidentally open anothers door.

[Disco Dan]

Most have a code in them with a few hundred permutations so you would be very lucky to accidentally open anothers door.

but ya open the back of them... and thers about 6 little on/off switches to code them... yeah theres heaps of combinations.. but heck.. still posible??

[sunhuntin]

Most have a code in them with a few hundred permutations so you would be very lucky to accidentally open anothers door.

weve come home to ours open...so we switch off at the wall now.
amazing where a bike can be safe.
when i stayed in dunedin, i stayed about 2 blocks from the main center, the bike was parked out on the street [all bags removed of course] and i worried all night. she was fine!
only place i stayed on my south island trip where the bike wasnt left to the weather was picton [she had a garage!]
only security for all my bikes so far is a steering lock.

[DougB]

I am a retired locksmith and can open most locks in a few minutes as can proffesional crims. I am sure that the only way to secure a house or bike at home is to have a device that activates a siren so intense that humans cannot bare it. The pain inflicted on the ear from one of these devices is so intense that crims in the USA have been known to dive through plate glass windows to get away from them. All the rational thought processes are stifled by the need to get away from the pain source. However they are illegal in NZ as they might damage the theiving shits hearing.
Perhaps we have an electronics expert here who could??????.

[Zanx]

I am a retired locksmith and can open most locks in a few minutes as can proffesional crims. I am sure that the only way to secure a house or bike at home is to have a device that activates a siren so intense that humans cannot bare it. The pain inflicted on the ear from one of these devices is so intense that crims in the USA have been known to dive through plate glass windows to get away from them. All the rational thought processes are stifled by the need to get away from the pain source. However they are illegal in NZ as they might damage the theiving shits hearing.
Perhaps we have an electronics expert here who could??????.


May I ask what padlock you found most challenging? I know the high end Squire stuff is good and also the high end CISA (bith have muchroom pins IIRC) but can you give any advice (without giving too much away) on how to chose a decent padlock?

[35tickets]

Cheers for the vid Bob, was thinking about getting a chain for years but now not so sure that 1 chain will do. In saying that agree with others here that it deterents that we need to slow the thieving scum down. Every little bit helps, be it chains, disc locks, alarmed garages etc.

[sAsLEX]

I am a retired locksmith and can open most locks in a few minutes as can proffesional crims. I am sure that the only way to secure a house or bike at home is to have a device that activates a siren so intense that humans cannot bare it. The pain inflicted on the ear from one of these devices is so intense that crims in the USA have been known to dive through plate glass windows to get away from them. All the rational thought processes are stifled by the need to get away from the pain source.

However they are illegal in NZ as they might damage the theiving shits hearing.
Perhaps we have an electronics expert here who could??????.

What about the newer high security padlocks that have the multifaceted keys rather than the simple kind?


And under what law?

[NordieBoy]

Hello, it's me :D

Welcome newby :D

(Ha! That's the 2nd time I've been able to do that :done:)