6 bins in 12 months

[jeremysprite]

Better change my option on 'How many accidents in the last 12 months' thread.

Had my 6th bin,drop,slide,crash today
Here's my story:

It's study week. My next exam is on Saturday, it's probably the most difficult one I'm doing - Scholarship Level Statistics and Modelling. I've got a little scholarship study workbook, but man oh man it's hard. And from the practise exam I've got, the real thing's even harder! So me = depressed.

So in a general effort to avoid studying and generally yelling "Where the hell did you pull THAT formula out from!? We never learnt that in class!!", I decided to go ride down to parents work.

It's raining heavy here, for the past few days (rare for Queenstown to have a full day of constant rain, let alone 2 or 3 consecutive days) and so it's pretty cold. So I decided to warm the bike up by cruising up the hill before going down onto the main highway (SH6).

Twas nice, the top end wasn't happening, but low down torque was nice to just power up the hill in 2nd. Went down a cul-de-sac, turned round and started coasting down the rather steep hill in neutral, got up to about 50-60 before I put on the brakes (gently, mind you) for the downhill hairpin.

Now, as I'm coasting round the downhill hairpin, on an FXR with crappy tyres, in the wet, with the brakes on, I figger it's not too smart to keep brakes on round the corner, so I released them. Bike immediatley speeds up. Fingers automatically squeeze front brake, and more importantly, right foot jerks.

Now you can all guess what happened next. Back tyre slid out, overtook the front on the LHS, and I was left sliding along the road, feeling the hole in my leather glove get bigger as my palm scraped along the ground.

So thanks to all who were involved in the production, the weatherman, the amateur rider, iRC: makers of the world's crappiest wet weather tyre, the ladies who stopped in their flash 4wd (I realised later, it wasn't really for sympathy, I was blocking the road), the building crew who didn't have any cones so I could mark off the puddle of petrol on the road, Jordan who stopped and informed me that it was him that had tinfoiled my bike the other day, and of course, Squeak the Rat for his How Many Bins in 12 Months thread.

JS

[Mr. Peanut]

Time for some decent tyres?

[svs]

buy stabilisers

[jeremysprite]

buy stabilisers

Like these?

[Macktheknife]

Just one question comes to my mind, why the hell did you do this in neutral????
sorry to hear of your off, hope you heal fast and repairs are easy.

[WarlockNZ]

coasting down the rather steep hill in neutral, got up to about 50-60

Well there's your problem..

Dude ... leave it in gear, that way engine braking does most of the work for you. coasting at 50-60K in neutral is just ... well ... dumb. .. anyone want to back me up on this.

I am sorry to hear you bined .. but maybe you should look at what your doing wrong and learn from your mistakes.

[marty]

some people get through their whole life without binning once, let alone 6 times. your odds are shortnening dude. you need to have a close look at your behaviour and/or skill level, and make a decision if riding motorbikes is right for you

[Masterchop]

Neutral/Panick/Wet, ask yourself if you should really be riding bikes on public roads.
I dont think you should blame the tyres.

[Yarg]

Why would any one have it neutral ??

use engine braking !!

glad to hear you were ok, but may pay to read up a bit on riding or take a course.:yes:

[Bend-it]

or grow some skills... ;)

Another lesson learnt: Don't coast downhill in the wet, get some engine braking going! That would have kept your speed down and some control...

[Mr. Peanut]

Oh didn't notice that! Yeah, use your engine to slow down ^_^

[WarlockNZ]

So i think we are all agreed then ??? .. coasting downhill in neutral at 50-60K in the wet makes you an idiot? ... LOL .

Dude ... PM me your email address and i'll send you something to read that may just stop you from having another off.

[xxblackbirdxx]

You should have been in gear buddy, Those FXR's are no sports bike they are commuters and expecting them to have sticky tyres is like expecting to win lotto twice. You really need to practise your skills or take up a program or chat with other newbies who are getting tips from more experienced riders.
Don't let anyone put you off riding, just hone your skills with practise and make sure you are doing things the right way.
Hope your injuries are not to bad and wish you and your bike a speedy recovery....rock on

[Sketchy_Racer]

Don't blame your tyres. they do thier job just fine.

You obviously havn't learnt the limits of your tyres yet (after 5 'offs' i thought ya would have)

And there is a reason that neutral is right down inbetween first and second, thats because once your a moving, you don't want to be in neutral.

Good luck, and start thinking a bit more about ya riding.

[Ghost Lemur]

Pffft amature.

I dropped my bike 5 times in one day. True it's a dualsport and all the drops were on dirt/mud/etc. Still...

Seriously though soundslike you just choaked. Stick with it, and just be thankful you're young and bouncy. Most of these old bastards also did dumb shit when they were young and invincible. Just so long as you live and learn. Hell it's not like you trying to do wheelies and stoppies.

Have you thought of getting a dualsport bike? Less chance of needing repairs (except the occasional lever or indicator) from drops. Plus it means you can have some fun in the dirt (hurts less than the road, not to mention less cars).

[Squeak the Rat]

JS, My apologies if my poll caused you to subconciously think you were jinxed and therefore expect a crash.

I purposefully worded it for the last 12 months, not ever. "I have never crashed" is a statement that can turn false. "I had not crashed in the 12 months prior to taking that poll" is set in concrete and is in no way capable of causing a jinx.

As you could see from the poll, it is NORMAL to have no (or very few) crashes in a twelve month period. If you are outside the standard deviation then maybe you do need to ask why.

Do learn from this though. The neutral thing is a good example. Another is that you need to understand your mental state when riding. Exam week means a lot is on your mind, probably tired and a little stressed so you need to concentrate even more than normal.

Glad you're ok though!

[Mr. Peanut]

イルカの精液は愛する。

[WarlockNZ]

ohh ...stats ...

you are more likely to have an "accident" on a motorcycle in the first 6 months of riding (stands to reason) AND in the 5th to 6th year of riding..

guess we all stop paying attention after a while.

Still ... doing 60k down a hill in neutral is just mad ... i would recommend finding someone that knows how to ride and asking for lessons in how not to be a dumb ass.

[Pathos]

crashing is just part of the learning process.

Just make sure you do your learning at low speed.

Never ever be in neutral when you're not stationary. Very Light braking into a downhill corner is fine as long as you are going very slow. If you are not going slow into a wet downhill corner then...

Decent tyres are still no help in the wet, have to ride to the conditions.

[terbang]

6 Bins in 12 months...?

Handling skills
Mental Skills
Self control skills

One of these needs a bit of tweaking in your case I think.. Have a good think about where you are headed with your bike riding. The stats are allready against you if you don't..

[Mr. Peanut]

イルカの精液は愛する!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Im going to try and be positive because I very vividly remember my first bike and some of the dumb stuff I did.

Can I suggest that you sell the road bike, and buy a dirt bike? Dirt bikes are great for learning skills and particularly stuff like throttle control and traction "Sense". I havent owned a dirtbike in many years, but I think that because my first bike was a dirt capable bike the lessons it taught me have helped me to this day.

You might consider even a 4 stroke dual purpose bike. only drawback to these is that they are bloody tall and a bit intimidating to a shorty like me.

Also, you need to practise more, off the Kings highway. Practice your braking drills, your turning, do the cone slalom thing, all that.

When you can afford it get some decent tyres. (I put Pirelli City Dragons on the 400F, and they are surprisingly good. Surprisingly cheap, too).

Oh, and I believe a few people mentioned the engine braking thing? thats a good tip, that.

Try not to let it get you down though it is depressing as hell.... believe me, I know.

[WarlockNZ]

Ohhh ... MORE stats ....

If you learn to ride on a dirt bike, you are less likely to have an accident on a road bike.

it's true ... look it up.

[PuppetMaster]

Ohhh ... MORE stats ....
If you learn to ride on a dirt bike, you are less likely to have an accident on a road bike.it's true ... look it up.



I looked it up, and I still dont care.


6 offs, your 7th could be your last. Catch a bus.

[WarlockNZ]

I looked it up, and I still dont care.


6 offs, your 7th could be your last. Catch a bus.

Advice to live by!! ... pay attention dude .... this man may have just given you the best piece of advice you will ever get

[Chaosmage]

Most of the advice has already been given. The obvious neutral down a hill but I see that no one has picked up on the fact his tyres were probably cold. Adding further to the loss of traction that happened when braking.

I'll also add here that once sometime after having my license and first 250 I let my bike coast in neutral down a fairly steep hill. (to see how fast it would go without power) so i'm guilty of doing this also.

Depending on the angle of the hill you are on you will find certain gears keep you at roughly the speed limit, no need for braking. Then when you do need to brake you won't need to brake as hard. Also as has been mentioned take it a bit easier in the wet expecially going down hills.

Expect and be prepared for the unexpected :) Ride safe learn from your early mistakes and take advice/talk to other riders.

[Ixion]

Dude, it's been said, but WTF were you coasting in neutral ? I mean was there some reason for it? I think most riders would have trouble on a downhill wet corner in neutral. I know I would.

[BNZ]

Maybe you should start by driving a car for a few years to get the basics....

Surely someone who lives in q'town & is into snowboarding should understand the concept of engine braking?

Unless you are one of those dickheads who gets to the bottom of the ski hill and wonders why there car smells funny? (but im pretty sure that is limited to the auckland drivers at ruapehu).

Dont go upgrading that FXR anytime soon.....

[Mr. Peanut]

Dude, it's been said, but WTF were you coasting in neutral ? I mean was there some reason for it? I think most riders would have trouble on a downhill wet corner in neutral. I know I would.
Saving on engine wear?

































Hehe, you said dude.

[jeremysprite]

Hmm, I laughed at the time. Still smiling now.

Yes, it was pretty stupid to coast downhill in the wet, fast, with cold tyres (hadn't thought about that one either),

But come on, I'm 17, do you all expect me to behave with calculated reason in every situation? Sure, I don't want to become another statistic, and I think that most of you take me for a complete wally who can't turn round a cone. (then again, maybe I think I just know too much)

I'd appreciate advice more than "Stop riding a bike, you'll kill yourself", but being in Queenstown it's a bit harder to find someone to 'mentor' me, so to speak (although there was that guy who was riding an MV down my road the other day, he'd probably wanna hang with me).

In hindsight, I think that I was in a particular mood for crashing.

And MrPeanut, can you a) stop typing in chinese, or b) give me a site that'll translate the whole sentence? Much appreciated.

[WarlockNZ]

17 is no excuse for riding like an arse. if you don't want to become a statistic i would recommend and little bit of thought .. just a little ... you may find that it improves your enjoyment of riding ..

Think man ... THINK!!!

:done:

[jeremysprite]

OK I apologise for not fully comprehending the consequences of my actions at the time. Normally I DO think while riding, but today, it just wasn't on the menu I guess.

*Off to Survival Skills forum to read away my stupidity*

[Mr. Peanut]

And MrPeanut, can you a) stop typing in chinese, or b) give me a site that'll translate the whole sentence? Much appreciated.

www.ポルノグラフィー.com :)

[Flyingpony]

6 bins in 12 months
That's so funny :killingme

I've ridden my FXR150 for 5 years and never had a bin.
I filter in the rain, heck, I even filter when there is snow on the ROAD!

I hope you learn from each of your bins and hope you're not seriously injured.

[WarlockNZ]

OK I apologise for not fully comprehending the consequences of my actions at the time. Normally I DO think while riding, but today, it just wasn't on the menu I guess.

*Off to Survival Skills forum to read away my stupidity*

Focus, young padawan ...focus!! ... pay no attention to the peanut man!! ... LOL .. enoy the read .. that book gave me a lot of insights into how to ride "well" .. not just better .. but "well" ... the longer we stay alive the better.

[Squeak the Rat]

Off to Survival Skills forum to read

See, you do have some smarts! ;)

[terbang]

Look at it this way
Handling Skill; So you reckon you can ride the cones OK so you meet the minimum.
Mental Skill: Down hill in neutral means brain in neutral
Self control Skill:

*Off to Survival Skills forum to read away my stupidity*
Maybe a step in the right direction..!

[jeremysprite]

Look at it this way
Handling Skill; So you reckon you can ride the cones OK so you meet the minimum.
Mental Skill: Down hill in neutral means brain in neutral
Self control Skill:

Maybe a step in the right direction..!

My friend told me he did it on his dirt bike, on dirt. Sounded like fun.

PS WarlockNZ haven't received a PM back yet? Chur.

[WarlockNZ]

My friend told me he did it on his dirt bike, on dirt. Sounded like fun.

PS WarlockNZ haven't received a PM back yet? Chur.

check your hotmail dude ... i sent you an email at 3:23.

on a side note ... do we have anyone down this lads way that can take him under a wing ... i'm sure we would all hate to see him kill himself.

[jeremysprite]

That's so funny :killingme

I've ridden my FXR150 for 5 years and never had a bin.
I filter in the rain, heck, I even filter when there is snow on the ROAD!

I hope you learn from each of your bins and hope you're not seriously injured.

You should try it sometime. It's enlightening.

Nah, hand was a little sore, knee hurt, but no pain now. Fairing's got another scrape (hurrah!) and the gear shift's bent tight against my boot, so now I don't have to move my foot to shift, I just sneeze and woow! in another gear!

[Rashika]

I'd appreciate advice more than "Stop riding a bike, you'll kill yourself", but being in Queenstown it's a bit harder to find someone to 'mentor' me, so to speak (although there was that guy who was riding an MV down my road the other day, he'd probably wanna hang with me). .

so we'll catch you at Glenorchy rally in january then? ;)
Hopefully the bike is still in one piece by then...if not sell it to me cheaply for a bucket-racer :Punk:

[jeremysprite]

... i'm sure we would all hate to see him kill himself.

Easy on buddy.

[WarlockNZ]

Easy on buddy.

Dude ... how many times have you come off ??? i think the comment was justified.

[jeremysprite]

so we'll catch you at Glenorchy rally in january then? ;)
Hopefully the bike is still in one piece by then...if not sell it to me cheaply for a bucket-racer :Punk:

You're assuming that its... Um yeah, sure.

Dunno, depends on when in January? Will be working hard over Christmas/Summer, will be heading up to Auckland start of February, so everyone can give me a good slap around the ears and a general lesson or two :stupid:

Oh got your email Warlock, stupid Hotmail had put your email in Junk Mail, but deemed that I would want to know about UrgentMarket Info.
Gracias, and adios.

[jeremysprite]

Dude ... how many times have you come off ??? i think the comment was justified.

Yes, 6, only 2 at a speed where light bodily damage was a possibility.
Whatever.
Thanks for your concern, will read and practise, read and practise.

[WarlockNZ]

Oh got your email Warlock, stupid Hotmail had put your email in Junk Mail, but deemed that I would want to know about UrgentMarket Info.
Gracias, and adios.
Its the important stuff they miss ... enjoy the read :) .. and dude .. stop riding like an arse ... LOL ... we would all like to see you riding at the age of 40 and beyond .. ok :)

[F5 Dave]

Oh well I’ll enter the fray. Nobody wants you to hurt yourself or worse,

- like end up being one of those pricks you meet at parties who say, “Oh yeah, so you ride bikes huh? I used to have a bike, but they are too dangerous, blah blah” ARRRGHH!

But do consider when you hear the stories “Gee it was lucky someone wasn’t coming the other way”

Well sometimes it is unlucky & they are.

You need to consider your actions & stop compiling the excuses.

As far as being in neutral, oh the sin of sins, well consider this: A tyre has only so much grip, one can overpower it with the engine as well. Also the engine is not a magical brake, one can regulate the same braking or more than the engine with the pedal. The problem is clearly the application & attention. (The stab as you said overpowered the tyres).

I’ll also call bullshit on the cold tyres. It was raining - Of course the tyres were cold.

You are obviously accident prone, the question is why? Maybe your eyesight is an issue (binocular focussing rather than how far you can see). Or coordination, that can take some people a while to develop (though some are world champs at 17). Or just plain not having the mind on the job.

[Aiolos]

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[HenryDorsetCase]

To make you feel better I will share one of my stories. its a little embarrassing. My first bike was a Suzuki TS125: it was what was called a dual purpose bike at the time. I was nearly 16, and in those days all you had to do to get a licence was basically show up and demonstrate you could actually ride the bike, and thats it. The cop said "YOu're an accident waiting to happen" as he handed my shiny bike licence.

That was at 2pm. At about 7pm that night I was going round to my mates house (cos I now could) and I hit some shingle on a corner and decked it. The first thing that hit the ground was my left knee, and I had rather a large injury necessitation stitches and immobility, not to mention the half hour the nurse spent picking/scrubbing gravel out of it. that was a laugh, NOT. (still have the scar, too)

I spent the next month riding the bike round standing up, (cos I couldnt bend my knee cos the stitches would rip) and you need to change gear a lot on a wee 2 stroke. If i sat down I caught the foot on the road and it bent the knee and it was really sore.

I have loads of stories like this: another one was a friend who lent his DT250 to another friend who jumped it over a grass bank. of course he landed in a heap on the ground. and stayed there. After we'd checked the bike was OK we wandered over to this dude and he is looking a bit pale. "Ive dislocated my elbow" he says. "Pull my hand and itll pop back in place". My friend whose bike it was says "Sure" and pulls the guys arm. Guy faints. Arm was in fact broken... pulling it just ground the ends together.... a bit painful it seems. (Not that the guy whose bike was decked gave a crap... the thing was his pride n joy)

The worst part of that was trying to get this semi conscious person to hang on while he was on the pillion seat on the way to the A & E. Laugh. (again, not so much)

Oh yeah, another mate had a DT400 (big aircooled 2 stroke DP bike). I borrowed it and it was the biggest fastest thing I'd ever ridden. I tried to impress these girls by doing a wheelie down the street..... and flipped it. and landed on my head. Wearing the guys new helmet. Cost me a new helmet, and about $400 worth of bits for the DT (about 40% of its value at the time, and a months take home pay for me). Plus the acute embarrassment of the girls pissing themselves laughing........

my point is that most of us have been where you are, and done the things (or even sillier ones) that you're doing. If you live long enough to persevere, you probably will get more better at the riding thing. The big problem I see is other road users. You might fall over in front of one, and they hit you, or fall over and they dont hit you but run off the road from laughing. Think of the other road users and practice off the road!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Or just plain not having the mind on the job.

being 17 he probably is just thinking about sex all the time..... :)

[T.W.R]

I'd appreciate advice more than "Stop riding a bike, you'll kill yourself", but being in Queenstown it's a bit harder to find someone to 'mentor' me, so to speak (although there was that guy who was riding an MV down my road the other day, he'd probably wanna hang with me).

In hindsight, I think that I was in a particular mood for crashing.



Dude PM either idb, Jantar, Oldrider,K14 they're all reasonably close to you, idb would be the closest though. Find some reading literature also.

No such thing as being in the mood for crashing :oi-grr: there's controlling your emotions or letting your emotions control you (DISCIPLINE)

[Ixion]

being 17 he probably is just thinking about sex all the time..... :)

That don't figure. At that rate we'd all be crashing - I'm far from 17 and I'm thinking about sex all the time. Well, except when I'm thinking about beer.