H-D twin-cam 96 glitch - When a recall is not a recall

[ninjac]

The ECM's haven't been calibrated correctly.
Story found here;
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=4022&Page=1

[AllanB]

lugging the engine during hard acceleration
Ah - I'm missing something in the American to English language conversion here - does not hard acceleration relate to higher revs (you know anything over 2500 on a HD he he) and lugging is farting around in too high a gear. Cracking it open in a high gear is not hard acceleration.

They could always change down a gear - especially now there are 6!

[scumdog]

Yeah saw some posts on the Claytons 'recall' on another site.

Glad I'm not rich enough to have a 2007 Twin-Cam.

[ninjac]

I think the 'hard acceleration' means full throtle application.
But as you say, this happens on any bike if you are in the wrong gear.
I think the problem the owners are experiancing is when you are accelerating in first gear from either stationary or low speed the motor will still 'knock' or 'pink' which is bad.

[scumdog]

I think the 'hard acceleration' means full throtle application.
But as you say, this happens on any bike if you are in the wrong gear.
I think the problem the owners are experiancing is when you are accelerating in first gear from either stationary or low speed the motor will still 'knock' or 'pink' which is bad.

Going by the way most of them take off I think they're fairly safe, however the word over there is "You'll wreck your motor if you give it the gun too much in low gear" but the fix sounds fairly simple - only you need to take it to the dealer since it involves the engine management system.

[Motu]

[it's inevitable that someone is going to complain about something.]

Yep,they got that one right.Just a remap of the ign curve I expect....like tighten up the advance springs...ah,it used to be so hard in the old days,now they just plug in the computer.

Hard acceleration applies to any revs you like....don't see a problem with terminology there.....

[James Deuce]

At least HD OPENLY perform recalls when needed. There are 4 Japanese manufacturers that will do anything to avoid using "recall" in a sentence, including leaving desperately required upgrades until a bike comes in for a standard service and the normal interval.

BIKE Magazine did an article a few months ago on recalls and found that there really is a perception that anyone organising a recall must have a crap product. The opposite is probably true. Not only is the product probably likely to last longer, surely the Customer Service ethos behind the recall process is the sort of thing that people WANT from a manufacturer? Would you rather they just ignored problems?

[ninjac]

BIKE Magazine did an article a few months ago on recalls and found that there really is a perception that anyone organising a recall must have a crap product. The opposite is probably true. Not only is the product probably likely to last longer, surely the Customer Service ethos behind the recall process is the sort of thing that people WANT from a manufacturer? Would you rather they just ignored problems?

I totaly agree.
There has been a few car recalls lately where there has only been a very small number of vehicles that have had a problem but shit loads of cars are recalled for a check. I think it has to do with public liability to some extent. Remember the Ford Pinto. The fuel tank was behind the rear axel and in a rear end impact the tank would rupture and incinerate the occupants. Ford were aware of the problem but decided that it would be cheaper in the long run to pay compensation to injured people than recall and redesign the Pinto. Big mistake.

[Motu]

In retrospect you can condem every motor vehicle ever made....doesn't make what they did at the time bad.This is pretty minor - it's really a rider problem,they didn't think people would really ride like that.

I get it all the time trying to find problems with cars....I have to drive the car exactly like they do to make the problem appear,and how do I do that? I once had a woman complain her car was stalling,so did a tune and found nothing wrong,but she kept bringing it back saying it was still doing it.So I went for a drive with her and sure enough it did stall when she came to a stop - it was a manual and she coming to a stop without pushing in the clutch pedal.Some people can create a problem just by their riding/driving style.

[popelli]

when harley introduced the evo they spent 2 years testing it out and it was spot on from day one

the twin cam 88 was never right in the first place which is why they now have the twin cam 96 which is still not right

maybe if they spent a bit more time actually testing the bikes instead of designing new tee shirts they could avoid these sort of problems

[skidz]

My 88 cube will do the same if I want to lug it along. It's a matter of knowing your bike and not to be a nanna on it. I for one have never liked riding any bike at low revs and then try and give it shit in that same gear. (It just don't work.) No matter how much they put it on the laptop won't fix the problem. The rider needs to learn how to ride.

[jrandom]

No matter how much they put it on the laptop won't fix the problem. The rider needs to learn how to ride.

Too right.

Ah, well, that's Murkn design philosophy for you. Save the idiots from themselves.

[cousa1]

Being an owner of a 2007 Big Twin I'm happy that H-D are doing this.

[scumdog]

when harley introduced the evo they spent 2 years testing it out and it was spot on from day one

the twin cam 88 was never right in the first place which is why they now have the twin cam 96 which is still not right

maybe if they spent a bit more time actually testing the bikes instead of designing new tee shirts they could avoid these sort of problems

The twin-cam wasn't exactly an overnight wonder either though.

And I bet they spent just as much time designing T-shirts way back in the 'start of the Evo' days too.

[scumdog]

The twin-cam wasn't exactly an overnight wonder either though.

And I bet they spent just as much time designing T-shirts way back in the 'start of the Evo' days too.
I got a red rep for the above comment - fair 'nough, the guy didn't agree BUT a month after I posted it????

Had me scratching me head trying to remember the thread...ah well...