Drink drivers on the telly - f**ks sake

[RantyDave]

One news has been covering a road block checking for drink drivers in South Auckland. One in eight tested positive. Including a woman, pregnant, five times over the limit and her boyfriend who decided to have a go. Apparently they had some people who could barely stand.

Fucks sake, I guess it's the Chrismas pissup season, eh? Significantly more dangerous roads are the order of the day. Great.

Dave

[Jeaves]

just makes ya feel all peachy inside , going off the numbers 12.5 % of south auckland drivers are pissed :oi-grr:

[Disco Dan]

*hick* reallY? fliiping eck *hick* thats a worry!!

:sick:

[pervert]

Most drunk drivers don't seem any more dangerous than the sober drivers of lesser abilities on the roads.

It's when those drivers of lesser abilities drive drunk that you have a problem...:yes:



*hick* reallY? fliiping eck *hick* thats a worry!!

:sick:

...what are you supposed to be implying? That you have a bad case of the hiccups?

[Toaster]

All Drink drivers are selfish scumbag idiots and they often cause so much pain for the people and families they destroy. They deserve harsh treatment and no mercy. How would any of us feel if we lost the life of a loved one or were badly injured by some drunk dickhead who was too much a of a prat to take a taxi.

[TLDV8]

According to this weeks Courier there are more than 500 licensed outlets in Manukau..... Mayor barry curtis is now taking a stand against it,when it is to late and after the fact as he does on most issues.
A high proportion of the crime in South Auckland is alcohol related.
Even the mayor elects to live out in the flasher Eastern suburbs.

Of course there is a bigger picture (worldwide).....Where will you find the highest number of liquor outlet's,lotto shops and loan shark's.

[davereid]

Yeah, I was surprised both at the number of drunk drivers and at how pissed they were. These drivers were not just a few mg over the limit, some of them were really wasted. And of course we only pick up the alcohol impaired drivers. Users of other recreational chemicals aren't detected, so the number of seriously wasted drivers is possibly much higher !

No doubt the gmints decision will be to lower the drink drive limit so as to catch mum and dad who are pefectly safe, but had a glass of wine at dinner.

[Harry33]

Well that explains all the shit drivers out my way.

[sAsLEX]

One news has been covering a road block checking for drink drivers in South Auckland

Wow I am surprised there is a high rate of crime in South Auckland!



NOT

[Lou Girardin]

More sober drivers kill than drunk ones.

[JimO]

More sober drivers kill than drunk ones.
i dont see your logic there

[WINJA]

Most drunk drivers don't seem any more dangerous than the sober drivers of lesser abilities on the roads.

It's when those drivers of lesser abilities drive drunk that you have a problem...:yes:





RUBBISH .
DRINK DRIVING IS ONE OF THE FEW TRAFFIC THINGS I LIKE TO SEE THE PIGS TARGETING, EVEN THE CURRENT BREATH ALCOHOL LIMIT MAY BE TO HIGH

[WINJA]

More sober drivers kill than drunk ones.

THAT MIGHT BE THE DUMBEST THING YOUVE SAID IN OVER 10,000 POSTS

[Kendog]

Did you see the dickhead on the 6.00pm news tonight.

He was admitting on camera he was drink driving and when pulled over by a cop he did a runner in his car, lost it, crashed into a pole and put his girlfriend in hospital.

He almost seemed impressed with his efforts, another girl in the car thought it was a great joke.

What is wrong with these people?

[trumpy]

.........What is wrong with these people?

I guess some people are just destined to spend their entire lives wallowing in their own stupidity.

[Edbear]

Did you see the dickhead on the 6.00pm news tonight.

What is wrong with these people?



Yep, saw the lamebrain! Not sure how "edited" the clip was, but he didn't seem to have any grasp of the seriousness of his actions.

Same as wrong with a guy I met the other week who lost his licence for DIC. His attitude? "Oh well, not the first time, won't be the last." 'Cept this nong wasn't 16 he would have been mid-twenty's.

Should have the same penalties as in Germany, according to my Son-in-Law. You first get locked up and then more than likely locked up some more. You lose your licence and it's so difficult and expensive to get it back, most never do. Apparently drink-driving rate is very low there...

No excuse for drink-driving IMHO! Nor driving under the influence of any other drug that may impare your skill and attention. Any one caught DIC should have the book thrown at them!

[Swoop]

i dont see your logic there

Look at the skills of the sober driver perhaps?

[pervert]

RUBBISH .
DRINK DRIVING IS ONE OF THE FEW TRAFFIC THINGS I LIKE TO SEE THE PIGS TARGETING, EVEN THE CURRENT BREATH ALCOHOL LIMIT MAY BE TO HIGH


You're not overly bright are you?

I would rather much travel in a car with a driver of decent ability with a few drinks under his/her belt, than some of the drivers you encounter on the roads who are completely sober. Fact.

[Beemer]

You're not overly bright are you?

I would rather much travel in a car with a driver of decent ability with a few drinks under his/her belt, than some of the drivers you encounter on the roads who are completely sober. Fact.

I'd rather be with WINJA if he's not overly bright than accept your twisted logic - because you are incredibly stupid!

I suppose you're one of those idiots who was brought up to think he/she can drive better after a few drinks, that it sharpens your eyesight and makes you a better driver. BULLSHIT!!!

Yes, there are some people who drive like absolute pillocks when they are completely sober and are a danger on the roads, but there is no way I'd be happy climbing into a car with a driver of ANY ability who has "a few drinks under his/her belt" because driving with a certain level of alcohol is ILLEGAL and dangerous. Everyone has a different capacity for alcohol and while one person (as shown on a television experiment a few months ago) could drink five or six drinks and still remain perfectly lucid and handle the tasks given to them, another person may show the effects after just one drink. There are so many factors involved that judging someone by the fact they are a decent driver when sober so you'd happily trust them when they have been drinking has got to be THE most stupid thing I've ever read on this site - and that's saying something!:gob:

[pervert]

I'd rather be with WINJA if he's not overly bright than accept your twisted logic - because you are incredibly stupid!

I suppose you're one of those idiots who was brought up to think he/she can drive better after a few drinks, that it sharpens your eyesight and makes you a better driver. BULLSHIT!!!

Yes, there are some people who drive like absolute pillocks when they are completely sober and are a danger on the roads, but there is no way I'd be happy climbing into a car with a driver of ANY ability who has "a few drinks under his/her belt" because driving with a certain level of alcohol is ILLEGAL and dangerous. Everyone has a different capacity for alcohol and while one person (as shown on a television experiment a few months ago) could drink five or six drinks and still remain perfectly lucid and handle the tasks given to them, another person may show the effects after just one drink. There are so many factors involved that judging someone by the fact they are a decent driver when sober so you'd happily trust them when they have been drinking has got to be THE most stupid thing I've ever read on this site - and that's saying something!:gob:

No I don't think I drive better when I've had a few, I rarely drive when I have even had one drink. So 'suppose' all you like, you now look like an idiot too.

I think your post would have to win some kind of award for stating the most obvious facts in one post. What shocking revelations you have uncovered.

The fact is, there are plenty of drivers out there who drive worse when sober, than half pissed people. You just can't argue with that, you only need to drive the roads on any given day to notice it.

I'm not saying driving drunk is right by any means, but I am saying crappy drivers being allowed to drive sober is wrong also.

As a side note, plenty of things are "ILLEGAL and dangerous", yet I bet you don't steer clear from them all.

Furthermore, not once did I say I would happily get in any car with a drunk driver, all I said was which I would prefer. You have no means of judging a crappy sober drivers ability before you get into the car either, there is no difference. Get a fucking clue.

[RT527]

Fact ...Driver who Caused 2 deaths down the road Which I attented was only 10 mgms over the Limit.


As we Responded from the station we were listening to the Radio channel which at that time was linked to the Police Channel, The first officer to arrive was highly stress while talking to North comms that the car was on fire with 2 people trapped in it and had the Fire service been Notified?,
We had and as I turned left onto h/way 2 and started heading for Paeroa ( I was driving the first Truck which was the rescue Tender) we could see a plume of Smoke rising in the distance , at this point my heart sank as at this stage we still had 5 km to drive and I knew damn well that we would never get there in time, still i had the truck doing 118 which is still faster than our limit(fire services ) in an attempt to get there faster. When we finally arrived , before we stopped all in the truck knew it was too late, but we had to do something so we started to put the fire out, at this stage our 2nd truck arrived and had to take over because once the smoke cleared we realised that there was another car involved and someone was still trapped in it.
We moved over to that car and started to extract the drunk driver of the vehicle which had just caused the deaths of 2 Innocent victims, all the while he couldn`t stop complaining to us.
once we had him out and with nothing else to be done we headed back to station and started a debreif session, halfway through this the rescue crew were called back to the accident after the police had surveyed the scene to extract the Bodies from the car.


Guess what Im saying is these accidents dont just affect the drunk person or the victem!, you also have the family`s,both drunk person and victems + friends of both, the firefighters and their familys , Ambo`s and familys, police and familys the list goes on this can be literally hundreds of people.

So if anyone thinks its cool to drive drunk then you`ed better not come near me and say it, I`m more than likely respond rather violently towards you.

Zero tolerance for drunk driving is a must!!!!!!!!.

Its xmas time again and our call rate for accidents and deaths resulting from the effects of drunk/driving fatigued and just plain stupidity is allready starting to rise so lets all get a life and say no to drinking and driving.....For your sake your life and others may depend on it.

[sAsLEX]

Zero tolerance for drunk driving is a must!!!!!!!!.

Its xmas time again and our call rate for accidents and deaths resulting from the effects of drunk/driving fatigued and just plain stupidity is allready starting to rise so lets all get a life and say no to drinking and driving.....For your sake your life and others may depend on it.

Yeah stuff double demerits and shit over the Christmas break as that does nothing to help.

Halve or reduce the alcohol limit to zero and have a heavy presence on the road to stop DiC's.

[WINJA]

You're not overly bright are you?

I would rather much travel in a car with a driver of decent ability with a few drinks under his/her belt, than some of the drivers you encounter on the roads who are completely sober. Fact.

YOUR ONE OF THOSE WHO HAVENT GOT IT THRU THEIR SKULL YET

[Ixion]

Perhaps the significant word in Mr Pervert's post was "few".

There is no objective evidence that small quantities of alcohol affect driving ability.

The issue is usually presented in highly emotive terms : only to the wowser does one drink = drunk.

Statistical data appears to back this up . Where alcohol-related driving failure is implicated as a cause of crashes almost always the alchohol level is WAY over the 80 wozzinames per diddlyfar limit. In other words, the "drunk" drivers who are a danger on the roads really ARE drunk. The people who have had a "few" drinks, are within the present limits, are not a danger.

Since the danger is posed by people who are significantly in excess of the presen tlimit - i.e. they ignore the present law, what on earth makes anyone suppose that they would pay any greater heed to a revised, lower limit law.

Of course prohibitionists (still an amazingly vocal minority) will have none of this. All alcohol is evil .

[RT527]

Since the danger is posed by people who are significantly in excess of the presen tlimit - i.e. they ignore the present law, what on earth makes anyone suppose that they would pay any greater heed to a revised, lower limit law.



Well since as i stated in my post that he was only 10 mgns over the limit when he was tested , I`d have to say that he would have been quite away over when he left the Airport, (he`d apparently just dropped his sister off to the airport for a flight) the point is while alcohol is a factor in the majority of accidents, its usually combined with another effect like driving tired, a moments inatention, adverse weather, wet roads, or something out of normal control like a mechanical problem.

[Beemer]

blah blah blah... So 'suppose' all you like, you now look like an idiot too. blah blah blah

heaps more blah blah blah

blah blah blah... Get a fucking clue.

Sorry, but I stand my my original viewpoint - you're a fucken' tosser.

And Ixion, who knows how many 'a few' is? To some people it could mean two or three 150ml glasses of wine, to others 10 or 12 pints. Very subjective and everyone is affected differently.

[pervert]

Well, that sure is me told.

You're clearly are as smart as I thought.

[Beemer]

Well, that sure is me told.

You're clearly are as smart as I thought.

Watch out, with grammar like that, Hitcher will be after you. And you're clearly as stupid as I thought so I guess that makes us even.

[pervert]

Watch out, with grammar like that, Hitcher will be after you. And you're clearly as stupid as I thought so I guess that makes us even.

You mock my grammar, yet start a sentence with the word 'And'...???

[Beemer]

You mock my grammar, yet start a sentence with the word 'And'...???

Colloquial usage of the word 'and' to start a sentence is acceptable nowadays - if you read more widely you would be aware of the fact.

[davereid]

Banning any alcohol at all would be an easy way to know if you are over the limit or not !

But Ixion is correct in his assesment that the current limit is a safe limit. In years gone by the LTSA have looked at this and been unable to find a relationship between driving with < 80mg and increased accident risk.

It would be banning something that is not a problem. So it would not help the road toll.

Don't forget that we have a certain number of vehicles crash with sober drivers in safe cars travelling at the speed limit.

Saying that alcohol is a factor in a crash is actually not a meaningful or helpful statistic unless you know how many miles are driven by drunk drivers relative to sober drivers.

For example - I am over the drink drive limit and you make a mistake and crash into me. This goes down as an alcohol related accident. So, the statistics tend to double if you are looking for a particular outcome.

For another example, I've noticed that 99.999995% of drivers involved in accidents last year were wearing underpants. Perhaps we should ban underpants ?

The reality is that if 8 out of 100 drivers are drunk, then you would expect 8 out of 100 accidents to involve at least one drunk driver.

Its only important if 8 out of 100 drivers are drunk, but they then become involved in more crashes than they statistically should.

To put it another way, lowering the drink drive limit is like putting an extra bolt in a wheel that wasn't going to fall off anyway.

Getting the REALLY DRUNK drivers off the road is critical. But harrassing safe drivers wont help anything.

[ManDownUnder]

Don't ban alcohol - confiscate cars.

Drunk? Thanks for the car - bus lane to your left..

*DING* "NEXT"!

Anyone the loses someone else's car gets to pay that person back (either directly or by way of a civil action). All good.

To say you're not allowed to this or that (i.e. not allowed to drink and drive, not allowed to drive without a licence" is al very well and good...

I prefer the "you're not able to do this or that". No car = no drive... and no money either. Bugger huh?

[Ixion]

Churr bro. Zo I gots 2 go darn da superrrmarrkit carpark eh an gets me anuvver car, cos da pigs done gone conFIScaded da one wot I had. No probs, gedda choice wheels dis time.

[terbang]

Colloquial usage of the word 'and' to start a sentence is acceptable nowadays - if you read more widely you would be aware of the fact.

That is true but we are Kiwis here and nowadays is an americanism that is creeping into our vocabulary.

[Pixie]

Perhaps the significant word in Mr Pervert's post was "few".

There is no objective evidence that small quantities of alcohol affect driving ability.

The issue is usually presented in highly emotive terms : only to the wowser does one drink = drunk.

Statistical data appears to back this up . Where alcohol-related driving failure is implicated as a cause of crashes almost always the alchohol level is WAY over the 80 wozzinames per diddlyfar limit. In other words, the "drunk" drivers who are a danger on the roads really ARE drunk. The people who have had a "few" drinks, are within the present limits, are not a danger.

Since the danger is posed by people who are significantly in excess of the presen tlimit - i.e. they ignore the present law, what on earth makes anyone suppose that they would pay any greater heed to a revised, lower limit law.

Of course prohibitionists (still an amazingly vocal minority) will have none of this. All alcohol is evil .
This is why enlightened countries, those that don't rely on indoctrination and dogma,are developing impairment tests that will determine a drivers fitness to operate a vehicle,whether the driver has used alcohol,drugs,is ill or tired or just a retard.
But then indoctrination works well as is evidenced by some of the posts on this thread.

[Pixie]

Fact ...Driver who Caused 2 deaths down the road Which I attented was only 10 mgms over the Limit.


.

Must be true then.
What caused the accidents that involved drivers with no alcohol in their system?

[Paul in NZ]

Of course - all this is well and good but there is a group of people that get caught repeatedly and have a horrendous driving record and we (as a society) cannot stop them reoffending - because they don't care what 'we' think of them....

Like crime - I think a lot of our problems come from not having the balls to stop the pyschopaths

[RT527]

Must be true then.
What caused the accidents that involved drivers with no alcohol in their system?

most of the Time ..........just plain old stupidity...too fast for the conditions....and wait for it NOT ENUF EXPERIANCE-which is a hard one , because you need to do something in order to gain experiance from it, so whats the answer, older age limit before you can drive?, better education?.......or shit I know this one ...Maybe we can just obey law and drive how we are suposed too???!!!.

[Lou Girardin]

i dont see your logic there
There isn't any, just misuse of statistics.

[Lou Girardin]

It may have changed over the years (but I doubt it), but most people slightly over the limit show very little sign of real intoxication. We used to pick most of them up from vehicle equipment offences. This was pre - random checkpoint days.
Staggering drunks were a relative rarity. It's bit like the hundreds of thousands of speeding tickets issued, 75% are for less than 15 over the limit.
But, to be fair, concentration on drink/driving did change the 'she'll be right' culture.

[Clivoris]

For another example, I've noticed that 99.999995% of drivers involved in accidents last year were wearing underpants. Perhaps we should ban underpants ?


I've been going commando for years and have never had an accident involving alcohol. It's about time the rest of society caught onto this simple safety precaution...

Seriously. I totally support the staunch enforcement of the drink-drive laws after having a 4 year old brother being run down and killed by a neighborhood pisshead. Xmas eve many years ago and he was only two blocks from home. Sober yet incompetent driving is a more difficult issue.

[Toaster]

RUBBISH .
DRINK DRIVING IS ONE OF THE FEW TRAFFIC THINGS I LIKE TO SEE THE PIGS TARGETING, EVEN THE CURRENT BREATH ALCOHOL LIMIT MAY BE TO HIGH

I agree wholeheartedly... I had been tested after having 6 odd beers and blew half the limit (before driving home)......... you'd have to be smashed to break the 400 limit as I could feel the effects after a long day at work. I used to be a 'pig', but prefered catching crims. I don't see the point in catching bikers going for a ride and giving it a 'wee bit of a go'..... Go the bikers :rockon:

[Toaster]

I never forgot the fact that my Mum didn't turn up for my 10th birthday.

[Da Bird]

One news has been covering a road block checking for drink drivers in South Auckland. One in eight tested positive. Including a woman, pregnant, five times over the limit and her boyfriend who decided to have a go. Apparently they had some people who could barely stand.

Fucks sake, I guess it's the Chrismas pissup season, eh? Significantly more dangerous roads are the order of the day. Great.

Dave

This is normal... its only coz its Christmas that the media are out there. Park a booze bus in Mangere or Otara on almost any night of the week and its full in 10-15 minutes. (After 30 mins, there is a queue forming...) Hasn't changed in the last 10 years I've been doing this job and the attitude of the 16 year old who crashed in Otara last Saturday shows its not about to any time soon.

BC.

[Ixion]

Are they really so different from bikers who think crashing's a joke and boast of 200+ kph runners from the police ?

[Beemer]

That is true but we are Kiwis here and nowadays is an americanism that is creeping into our vocabulary.

Bullshit! Nowadays is NOT an Americanism, it actually comes from now+adays which is Old English for a on + daeges (can't do the a and e joined together on here) genitive of day. Ask Hitcher if you don't believe me!

[Macktheknife]

Lost my brother to a drunk driver, and had to pick up many more off the roads over the years too. I am unashamedly vocal and passionate about getting drunk drivers off the road, as most people who know me will verify.
There is no excuse, it is vehicular manslaughter and should be charged/punished as such.

[ManDownUnder]

Lost my brother to a drunk driver, and had to pick up many more off the roads over the years too. I am unashamedly vocal and passionate about getting drunk drivers off the road, as most people who know me will verify.
There is no excuse, it is vehicular manslaughter and should be charged/punished as such.

Yup - and a fucken good stance it is too. It's a great balance you have there... lay the blame on them doing the driving, without turning into a wowser.

Nothing but respect from this corner.

[imdying]

More sober drivers kill than drunk ones.
I'm not quite sure what you mean, do you mean proportionally? I would expect more sober people to kill, there's more of them. Are drunk drivers more likely to crash than sober drivers? The government would like us to think so.

Did you see the dickhead on the 6.00pm news tonight.

What is wrong with these people?He is turd, and I'll wager a twenty that he'll be on the news the next night going 'Boo hoo, I didn't really mean it, I'm real reall soz for da family.' Of course he won't actually be sorry, just the public back lash has mad him think twice about letting the country know how much of a prick he really is.

I would rather much travel in a car with a driver of decent ability with a few drinks under his/her belt, than some of the drivers you encounter on the roads who are completely sober. Fact.Interestingly enough, making an assertation and then calling it fact doesn't actually lend it any weight. The only fact there is that it is your belief.

The fact is, there are plenty of drivers out there who drive worse when sober, than half pissed people. You just can't argue with that, you only need to drive the roads on any given day to notice it.There you go, doing it again. I can see the point you're trying to make, but you're letting down your ability to put forward your argument by being a cunt. Just in case you wondering why you're being attacked over your opinion.

Yeah stuff double demerits and shit over the Christmas break as that does nothing to help.The what? Just for DIC or is there more to this?

Banning any alcohol at all would be an easy way to know if you are over the limit or not !That's possibly a little draconian, a little hard to enforce... given that certain medications give false positives. It could make for some interesting debates at the lock up :lol:

Don't ban alcohol - confiscate cars.

No car = no drive... and no money either. Bugger huh?No car = steal someone elses...

Churr bro. Zo I gots 2 go darn da superrrmarrkit carpark eh an gets me anuvver car, cos da pigs done gone conFIScaded da one wot I had. No probs, gedda choice wheels dis time.Exactly...

That is true but we are Kiwis here and nowadays is an americanism that is creeping into our vocabulary.This is relevant how?

I've been going commando for years and have never had an accident involving alcohol. It's about time the rest of society caught onto this simple safety precaution...My only concern is how are the police going to enforce this... :o

Ask Hitcher if you don't believe me!The explanation was good, this last little bit spoilt it though.

They're the hard core, you won't stop them. Sterlizing might help to reduce the problem in future generations however.

[pervert]

Interestingly enough, making an assertation and then calling it fact doesn't actually lend it any weight. The only fact there is that it is your belief..

Ummmm...isn't that exactly what I said?

The fact is that I would rather do that...which does make it fact, because it is a fact that it is my preference??? Please take notice of the word in bold.



There you go, doing it again. I can see the point you're trying to make, but you're letting down your ability to put forward your argument by being a cunt. Just in case you wondering why you're being attacked over your opinion.

I'm letting nothing down, nor wondering anything...and in case you're a little bit slow, getting attacked for being a "cunt" is the very reason I make such posts as above...I enjoy it.

[RT527]

I'm not quite sure what you mean, do you mean proportionally? I would expect more sober people to kill, there's more of them. Are drunk drivers more likely to crash than sober drivers? The government would like us to think so.

Well that would be a rational thought, and might possibly be true too!.

But what i see leads me to believe that it is the Drunks that do more damage...for instance if a drunk looses control of a vehicle , its highly unlikely that he will recover the vehicle enough to be in control, where as a Sober driver might have enough time and skill to Drive out of the situation thereby only causing a glancing blow with minimal injurys....its a bit like target fixation, the sober driver reacts where the drunk just goes WTF and drives straight at the other car.

Also its highly likely that the Drunk will not be the one to loose his/her life, as it goes Ive gone to more accidents where the drunk has killed someone, yet survived the crash him/herself.

I dont like statistics as I reckon they only show what the govment want it to show!!!.

[mstriumph]

More sober drivers kill than drunk ones.

erm :mellow: soooooooo ......... we should make everybody get drunk?

[sAsLEX]

The what? Just for DIC or is there more to this?


Well since our government and Andy knackerbrains cant muster a logical thought amongst them they are likely to follow Australia and have Double Demerit points during Holiday Road periods, they generally follow other roading legislation from across the ditch.