TLS to become TLR, any recommendations?

[tl_tub]

Well, i am now the proud owner of a TLR engine with 6000kms on the clock. Before i throw this into the TLS frame, does anyone have any experience in this field?
Off tlzone.net I already know about the plumping required for the radiator, and swapping the intake boots over, but is it really that easy? Just plug and play?

Well, cheers for any info you could provide :scooter:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well, i am now the proud owner of a TLR engine with 6000kms on the clock. Before i throw this into the TLS frame, does anyone have any experience in this field?
Off tlzone.net I already know about the plumping required for the radiator, and swapping the intake boots over, but is it really that easy? Just plug and play?

Well, cheers for any info you could provide :scooter:

Have you got the ECU from the donor 'R'?

[WINJA]

I Always Thought The Best Motor For A Tls Was A 97 Tls Motor

[tl_tub]

Have you got the ECU from the donor 'R'?

The ecu is in the next shipment of parts, however the story is, you use the tls electrics, computer, throttle bodies and intake boots, and just plug the engine into it, and its supposed to run first time.

I just thought there might be someone locally that has done it. Maybe

[cowpoos]

I Always Thought The Best Motor For A Tls Was A 97 Tls Motor
the geral consensus is 97 TLs motor or earily model TLR as the picks....
lets face it....the TLR does make more power....

[tl_tub]

I Always Thought The Best Motor For A Tls Was A 97 Tls Motor
I might have thought that too, but as myself and others have proved, the 97 tls engine does have some quirks, one being the crank bearing failure issue if you rev it a bit too much :innocent:
The availability of either tls or tlr engines is lacking, to say the least! So the fact that this one only cost $2k, suits me fine :)

[cowpoos]

The ecu is in the next shipment of parts, however the story is, you use the tls electrics, computer, throttle bodies and intake boots, and just plug the engine into it, and its supposed to run first time.

I just thought there might be someone locally that has done it. Maybe
thats a bit of a fairy tale....your bike will run lean at the top end....if you use the TLS injectors,ecu,etc take it to wellington motorcycles for a teka tune on the dyno...

[tl_tub]

thats a bit of a fairy tale....your bike will run lean at the top end....if you use the TLS injectors,ecu,etc take it to wellington motorcycles for a teka tune on the dyno...

A teka tune on the dyno? Do they just use a yoshi box to retune the computer? Any idea what it costs?
Ive just brought a house, so am going to have to wait a while to even get money for tires and a new chain :(

[cowpoos]

a teka tuner can retune alot of suzuki ECU's including TLS and R's.... shouldn't cost alot if you just tell them you want a bacis tune....but its alot cheaper than getting a powercommander and then having to pay for a dyno tune on top of that...with the teka it works like a yoshi box but has far more parameters...and adjustment...infact more adjustment that any similar device on the market....

[tl_tub]

a teka tuner can retune alot of suzuki ECU's including TLS and R's.... shouldn't cost alot if you just tell them you want a bacis tune....but its alot cheaper than getting a powercommander and then having to pay for a dyno tune on top of that...with the teka it works like a yoshi box but has far more parameters...and adjustment...infact more adjustment that any similar device on the market....

Oh ok, cheers for that man, ill keep that in mind. It will be a while before the bike is on the road though, so ive got some time to investigate.

Question two for you mr poos, if the engine has been sitting for a while, whats the best thing to do, take out the plugs and crank, or go one step further and fill the crankcake with oil till its to the top, and let marinate for a day or two?

[TLDV8]

Well, i am now the proud owner of a TLR engine with 6000kms on the clock. Before i throw this into the TLS frame, does anyone have any experience in this field?
Off tlzone.net I already know about the plumping required for the radiator, and swapping the intake boots over, but is it really that easy? Just plug and play?

Well, cheers for any info you could provide :scooter:

Yes its that easy,the base unit is the same..You are simply running the single injector TLS throttlebodies and doing the mods noted regarding the coolant hoses.

Brent..I am sure you have seen the many posts on the TL sites about this "bolt in".... I would stick to dealing people who know about TL's....The problems with these simple mods start when people who have no real experiance get involved...If you need any help PM me.

[tl_tub]

Yes its that easy,the base unit is the same..You are simply running the single injector TLS throttlebodies and doing the mods noted regarding the coolant hoses.

Brent..I am sure you have seen the many posts on the TL sites about this "bolt in".... I would stick to dealing people who know about TL's....The problems with these simple mods start when people who have no real experiance get involved...If you need any help PM me.

Haha, thanks man! I just find it hard to contact others in different timezones that dont say fish and chips properly :)
I was just curious, as i hadnt heard anything negative about the swap, and that seems odd :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

the geral consensus is 97 TLs motor or earily model TLR as the picks....
lets face it....the TLR does make more power....

Fucking oath they do!
When the 'R's' first came out, after I'd ridden it I thought it felt a bit flatter than the 'S'....but that's only because the early 'S's' had such a fat midrange hit. We had demos of both the S and the R at the same time, and side by side comparisons proved the R is indeed WAY faster. Easier to use too....revs a lot harder and pulls a lot harder up top.....it walks away from the 'S high in the rev range!:Punk:

[TLDV8]

Haha, thanks man! I just find it hard to contact others in different timezones that dont say fish and chips properly :)
I was just curious, as i hadnt heard anything negative about the swap, and that seems odd :)

The basic engine units are the same as far as bolting in.... If your bike is a 97 TLS and has not had the thermostat mod (taking for granted the TLR engine you have has its themostat/coolant hoses intact)then you would be able to swap your S end housing which takes the hose up to the L/H side of the radiator onto the R main body (TLR hose goes through the frame so straight end housing,angled on the S).....You would then get the updated in 98 for the S,standard on the R temp sensor in the thermo housing which gives a more accurate reading and will minimise the bike running on the cold start map which cuts off at 80 C (Most 97 TLS's rarely see 80C anything due to the sensor being in the radiator header tank )

The TB's...... The reason the manifolds are changed is the throttlebodies on the S and R are at different mounting angles,more vertical on the TLS to miss the frame cross tube.. The TLR is twin injector (single on the TLS) and has a ECU and wiring loom to match.They are both 52mm anyway...So all you are doing is fitting your TLS manifolds and TB's to the R engine..Be wary of the countersunk capscrews holding the manifolds,they are soft.

One other thing if you have a 97 S with out a modded breather system,the TLR will have the vented rear cover so that will need hooking up,although it can still put oil into the airbox,it was only a bandaid mod from the factory.

[tl_tub]

Thanks for all that TLDV8, its given me a few more clues. I had already modded my tls thermostat housing to take the temperature sensor, plus ive got two or three tlr thermostat housings in the parts bin.

I was curious though, why did they put a breather in the front head cover, but no breather in the rear head cover? If they dont need it in the back, why not just a general crank case breather (i think they have that anyway?)

Im a bit of a fiddler, so might make up a better breather system anyway. Damn i wish i could afford a good tig welder :)

[TLDV8]

I was curious though, why did they put a breather in the front head cover, but no breather in the rear head cover? If they dont need it in the back, why not just a general crank case breather (i think they have that anyway?)

Im a bit of a fiddler, so might make up a better breather system anyway. Damn i wish i could afford a good tig welder :)

There was only the vented rear cover on TLR's and 98+ TLS's.

All TL's have the tube inbetween the V.On the later bikes that has an internal reedvalve allowing inward flow only or oil return from the baffled plastic tank which has the hose going to the rear cover and another up to the airbox.
One problem with that baffle is both airbox and rear cover hoses are going to the same side inside the baffle.The internal divider is below the hoses,the vent back to the cases/reedvalve is below that so oil/vapour can still get to the airbox to easily.

On the 97 TLS there was only a hose from that tube coming out of the cases and going up to the airbox.From my findings there was some debate about reedvalve flow directionon the 97 TLS...Some when asked said inward flow? others said outward which would seem logical given the layout.
I am sure you have heard the stories about oil pissing out of gaskets etc due to crankcase pressure in some cases.Ducati's have little more than a reedvalve vent out of the cases at the rear but the size outlet is much bigger than the TL.The reason some folk plumb bigger hoses into both valve covers on the TL and run some kind of baffled tank with a return to the case.

[Morepower]

Yes its that easy,the base unit is the same..You are simply running the single injector TLS throttlebodies and doing the mods noted regarding the coolant hoses.

Brent..I am sure you have seen the many posts on the TL sites about this "bolt in".... I would stick to dealing people who know about TL's....The problems with these simple mods start when people who have no real experiance get involved...If you need any help PM me.

Makes sense , second that good advice

Dave