December 16th (mentors and mentoring)

[TerminalAddict]

Meet at Harvey Norman's carpark, north Hamilton 9:30am

bring some bling to buy yourself some lunch

route and destination will be revealed on the day, but we will be meeting with an Auckland group for lunch.

All riders, pillions, bike sizes, and abilities welcome, however there will be a focus on the learners.
If you want to volunteer as a mentor that would be great.
If you want to learn some stuff from more experienced riders this is the day (hopefully we can get enough interested from the more experienced riders ;) )

calendar link: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=1061&day=2006-12-16

[Meekey_Mouse]

Argh, I'm gunna be away at camp :( Hope it goes well though :)

Jas

[shaneh]

I'll be there with bells on (it's xmas after all) showing off my electric mango. Better make sure it's fully charged for the journey ahead.

[Warr]

Will see how the day unfolds :)

[The Flux Capacita]

what time do you think the ride will finnish? i'd REALLY like to go but i have to be at work at 1pm which means i'll probably have to skip lunch and half the ride if it's an all day thing

certainly keen though coz i need to learn more about handeling me new fazer

[TerminalAddict]

the rida itself isn't very long .. only about 1 hour maybe an hour and a half depending on speed/confidence etc

if you come for the ride you'll be back in hamilton by 12:30 easy

[The Flux Capacita]

sweet then i'm in

will set my alarm and tell the guys on friday night as well in case some of them are interested

[vagrant]

Do you know where/when/who is organising the Auckland ride?:scooter:

[ZeroIndex]

sweet then i'm in

will set my alarm and tell the guys on friday night as well in case some of them are interested

try get Sarah along.. she could do with a real-life mentor (not one of us crazy people)

[ManDownUnder]

Do you know where/when/who is organising the Auckland ride?:scooter:

Disco Dan.

[TerminalAddict]

and McJim / Maverick combo also

[Hellraiser]

Disco Dan organises the Wed Mentor ride in West Akl.

Camp Mother (aka McJim) & Camp Leader (aka Maverick) organise the 250 rides which are held every 2 weeks.

[PaddyFZ1]

Not too sure if the rear tyre is up too this ride, its had three good runs back from otorohanga this week, and its looking a little tired.:(
Good thing its getting a new set next week. :2thumbsup Still trying to decide what too put on her this time.
Hope you guys have a good ride.:ride:

[carver]

can someone teach me how to ride slow..im on 90 demerits as of last night!

[TerminalAddict]

Not too sure if the rear tyre is up too this ride, its had three good runs back from otorohanga this week, and its looking a little tired.:(
Good thing its getting a new set next week. :2thumbsup Still trying to decide what too put on her this time.
Hope you guys have a good ride.:ride:
the way you ride mate, don't buy Pilot Powers or M3's .. you'll chew threw in no time :)
Tomorrow will be a gently gently ride

[Waylander]

Would be too early. I'll be at work till 11am and in Hamilton sometime around 2pm.

[ZeroIndex]

won't be on the ride.. unless someone lent me a bike.. mine is completely rooted.. it's currently at Hamilton Motorcycles, with a estimated 3 - 6 week repair time, at a repair cost of $2500.. so i'm just gonna fetch it, and put it on trademe and see what i can get for it (one of the cylinders is running super-low compression)

[IceKnight]

I'll be there, happy to provide assistance to newbies where ever possible

carver, ZeroIndex and others - you might know me as the dude on the all-blue CBR-600RR who turns up to Hamilton Biker meets on Fridays ocassionally. Weather has been shite the last couple of months, so it's been a while since I made an appearance :)

calendar link: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=1061&day=2006-12-16[/QUOTE]

[Waylander]

carver, ZeroIndex and others - you might know me as the dude on the all-blue CBR-600RR who turns up to Hamilton Biker meets on Fridays ocassionally. Weather has been shite the last couple of months, so it's been a while since I made an appearance :)

Why arn't you there tonight?

[IceKnight]

Dont speak too soon, I'm on my way out the door to meet y'all out there right now :D



Why arn't you there tonight?

[TerminalAddict]

Dont speak too soon, I'm on my way out the door to meet y'all out there right now :D

I'm sure that bike is "yamaha" blue :nya:

[Waylander]

Not if it's a honda it'd better not be lol.

[ZeroIndex]

YAY!!!!! JONNO IS THE MAN!!!! he has lent me his NXR125 for a couple of days so I can continue job hunting, plus...
I can come on the ride today (if i wake up in time)

[TLDV8]

YAY!!!!! JONNO IS THE MAN!!!! he has lent me his NXR125 for a couple of days so I can continue job hunting, plus...
I can come on the ride today (if i wake up in time)

Well yer better get up :spanking: :laugh: ..Looks liks an ace day out.

I'm guessing 9:30am is the meet time so will head South around 8:30 am :scooter:

[diggydog]

ponding weather i should go, it appears i would be the only cruiser on this run and you guys got those nifty -nibble -agile sport bikes and would put me to shame.

[TLDV8]

ponding weather i should go, it appears i would be the only cruiser on this run and you guys got those nifty -nibble -agile sport bikes and would put me to shame.


Don't forget these rides are mainly aimed at folks starting out or at the beginning of their riding adventure..so it's not a race,see you there :niceone:

[McJim]

Looks like lovely bike weather out there today - looking forward to meeting all you Waikato types...and Les...at lunch! :)

[TerminalAddict]

ponding weather i should go, it appears i would be the only cruiser on this run and you guys got those nifty -nibble -agile sport bikes and would put me to shame.
don't be a plonker :nya:

get your arse up and dressed, and I'll see you there ;)

[ZeroIndex]

don't be a plonker :nya:

get your arse up and dressed, and I'll see you there ;)

YAY!! I made it to the awakening (I woke up after 4.5 hours and I'm actually awake)

[Big Chim]

ponding weather i should go, it appears i would be the only cruiser on this run and you guys got those nifty -nibble -agile sport bikes and would put me to shame.

See you there

[diggydog]

awl yeah al right then, see you there guys and gals.

[IceKnight]

all in all a very good ride. Certainly a good idea to do this kind of thing more often. Was great to help the inexperienced in a pressure free environment, and from my observations of Sarah's riding I think she did real well

Go Sarah! :)

[The Flux Capacita]

yea for sure was an awsome ride...biggest i've been on and good road to start breaking in the Fazer...was a little hairy going back on the slightly gravel bits (nearly went off into a ditch twice) haha good fun;)

pity i had (still here) to work because lunch would have been nice and more riding

will do my best to come along to another session and bring a camera when there's lots of bikes like that

[Grub]

...was a little hairy going back on the slightly gravel bits (nearly went off into a ditch twice) haha good fun;)...

Ok, who is the plonker that is scheduling gravel on a novice run!! If you were trying to find the best way to put them off from attending that's it

Brett

[McJim]

Ok, who is the plonker that is scheduling gravel on a novice run!! If you were trying to find the best way to put them off from attending that's it

Brett

That'll be the local authorities - they don't call us and advise which roads are ...erm ...off-road.

[Grub]

That'll be the local authorities - they don't call us and advise which roads are ...erm ...off-road.


:slap: That would be me and my big mouf then {blush}

Knee-jerk reaction because I'm hoping to get my g/f out with us as she is *very* nervous rider. I was just imagining the "...never again ..." bollocking I would have got if that had happened.

Am really looking to KB rides to give her convidence and mentoring and knowledge to stay safe and enjoy herself

Brett

[IceKnight]

Yep, the road state was less than desirable, but we didn't have the advantage of foresight. Nobody crashed, and everyone got something out of it, so it cuts both ways.

We can always choose a better road next time :D


Ok, who is the plonker that is scheduling gravel on a novice run!! If you were trying to find the best way to put them off from attending that's it

Brett

[TerminalAddict]

mostly my fault :(

The gravel wasn't there on wednesday when I did a recce drive

damn waikato council

[The Flux Capacita]

oh it wasnt so much the gravel at fault more than me going faster than whatever the reccommended speed is anyways...no one ever does that but on the bike most of the time you add about 40 or so to the number...gravel was more like reccomended speed + 20 or 30, and the bike started to loose traction so i'd lean out and go wide as per usual

otherwise that was a sweet as ride aye, just having such a big group was enough to make it heaps of fun

working till 10:15 on a saturday is just shit house

[TerminalAddict]

get back to work you slacker :nya:

[TLDV8]

:niceone:... Excellent ride and lunch stop.

[The Flux Capacita]

haha it's dead quiet:P we're just mucking around really...slowly putting out tickets...waiting for the clock to tick around till home time...carver and some of the guys are goin to a party somewhere on peachgrove road and i'll wander over afterwards when the girls are nice and loose and hopefully not yet occupied HAHA

[Big Chim]

That was good fun, good to see so many out and maybe on the next one I wont have to shoot off early so I can meet some of the auckland guys.

Speaking of next one, when is it?

[shaneh]

full marks to Terminal Addict for actually doing a reccie a few days ahead and organising this ride.
Cheers for a great day out, I'm getting quicker on the corners, but am still a long way from living up to my P Plate.
There's another trip like this on Jan 2, let's head east this time.
Shane

[McJim]

It was good to meet you fellas today (I was the Scottish gobshite that turned up near the end) They do a really good steak sandwich at that place - must remember for future ref.

[ZeroIndex]

was a good ride.. even though i was on the nxr125, managed to keep pretty darn close to the front of the group :) NXRs are really forgiving bikes, and 'race lines' have no meaning for them: you just take the corner when you want to :p

anyway, i really need sleep, goodnight

[TerminalAddict]

June 2 might be the next I reckon.

maybe plan some more kms (60 kms was a bit short) but need to plan 100km stops if sarah comes with as her tank is smaller than my beer belly :gob:

was thinking south towards waitomo/otorohonga or east to paeroa -> waihi (although there 60 kms of dead straight roads between us and paeroa)

or we could head to TGA, and hook up waylander/2much etc etc

[justsomeguy]

They do a really good steak sandwich at that place - must remember for future ref.

Ohh yeah - I sure can vouch for that!!

Nice to meet some new faces and familiar faces.

Thanks for having us.

[Titanium]

can someone teach me how to ride slow..im on 90 demerits as of last night!

Take your right hand off it ....... do not grip so hard ..... twist a little slower .... remember the throtle works both ways .....

The road signs with the numbers on them (50, 60, 70, 80, 100) are the limit for that piece of road, until you come to a sign with a higher (which means you speed up) or lower (which means you slow down) number on it.

Whith certainty, if your dial thing (speedo) points to the same number as on the sign (above) you will not get any more demerit points ..... .

Unless you do other stupid shit not related to speed ...... that is another lesson though.

Let me know if matching your speed to the road signs works out for you. I could be on to a wining formula.

pisstake of course ..... but usk a stupid question ..... get a stupid answer ....

[Panther]

can someone teach me how to ride slow..im on 90 demerits as of last night!

Maybe you should stop riding two things in one night

[Quasievil]

Good Ride but to many bikes, waste of time unless its one on one.
If anyone wants a one on one give me a yell.

Just my thoughts

[shaneh]

My first thoughts as we left Te Rapa and as I was overtaken by 3 bikes in quick succession was "bugger this, if I wanted to ride by myself I should have gone to Raglan". But I got that all wrong, thanks heaps to Quasi and Mental Trousers for hanging around us slower riders and providing some confidence inspiring advice.
Hope to see you on the Jan 2 (if your heads have cleared by then).
Shane

[samwp]

Cheers to TermialAddict for sorting this end out, next one should be good.

Great to meet some more KBers too :D

Quasi has a point though, with that many people the learning process is a little hindered.

[ZeroIndex]

Cheers to TermialAddict for sorting this end out, next one should be good.

Great to meet some more KBers too :D

Quasi has a point though, with that many people the learning process is a little hindered.

really? i noticed you in front of me, as well as everyone else.. On a learner friendly group ride, it's exactly that.. a ride.. if it was a mentor day, it wouldn't of been so 'public'

As Quasi said in his post, mentoring should be done 1 on 1. When there is a group of people meeting another group of people at a designated area, a lot less teaching happens due to time schedules and the such..

Finishing words though: It was a good ride, everyone got there safely, and everyone had fun..

[carver]

Take your right hand off it ....... do not grip so hard ..... twist a little slower .... remember the throtle works both ways .....

The road signs with the numbers on them (50, 60, 70, 80, 100) are the limit for that piece of road, until you come to a sign with a higher (which means you speed up) or lower (which means you slow down) number on it.

Whith certainty, if your dial thing (speedo) points to the same number as on the sign (above) you will not get any more demerit points ..... .

Unless you do other stupid shit not related to speed ...... that is another lesson though.

Let me know if matching your speed to the road signs works out for you. I could be on to a wining formula.

pisstake of course ..... but usk a stupid question ..... get a stupid answer ....

bit like how to lean through corners aye?
but i think the inherit probem i was addressing was the riding within the limits whilst still having fun.

[TerminalAddict]

Well big ups to Mental Trousers for riding with shaneh (and any others there)

Sounds like Quasi hung back and gave guidance too .. excellent.

Road Rash and I took turns up front guiding the way, and that seemed to work pretty well .. no one got lost.

What could/should be done different next time?

This is one part of learning that I have never had (the mentor thing) so I don't think I am the best teacher, and I've got little to no experience anyway (18 months). So on that note, it was excellent that Mental Trousers spoke up at the car park, and let me know he would be "teaming up" with some one.

As a learner, I've got to say, the guys on big bikes can be a little intimidating, and it can be difficult to ask for help.
I put myself in the "needs a mentor" group here on KB, and have been on my fair share of rides, and have never, not once on a ride, had another rider talk to me about what I'm doing.
I learnt by following Quasi, Titanium, Warr, Terbang, and tryiing to pick up tid bitsd of info just from watching them.
I would dearly love to have some more formal pointers even now .. and I bet the real new riders are desperate for it.

Shaneh has posted a ride on Jan 2 and I will be there.
I hope some experienced riders commit to teach what they know.

Perhaps next time a destination may not be what is needed, but rather a leisurely ride, where a more formal grouping could be organised, that will allow pairs to stop and talk as often as they need/want.

Would love to hear other opinions

[McJim]

The learner friendly rides in Auckland started up almost by accident. They weren't intended to be learner friendly at first just supposed to be a ride for people on 250cc bikes where we could go at a comfortable pace without the intimidation that inevitably comes from the presence of big sports bikes.

It's not that the riders of the large capacity bikes are trying to intimidate - it's just the way it is.

Mentoring sessions should be done one on one - I agree - but by the same token there is no substitute for actual miles done and time in the saddle. When you only have a few weeks of round town riding the open road can be a scary place so it's difficult to gain the experience you need.

When I first rode much of the advice I received I couldn't take as it was gibberish - an assumption of basic knowledge was made by the people that gave it and that basic knowledge had not yet been learned my me.

The 250 rides in Auckland have been interesting from the point of view of watching absolute beginners become fairly competent quickly because of the confidence and support of peers.

There is definately a place for 'scenic' paced rides to bring people safely into group riding if mentors and students want to be involved this shouldn't be a problem but not everyone on the ride will be actively mentoring or learning.

[McJim]

bit like how to lean through corners aye?
but i think the inherit probem i was addressing was the riding within the limits whilst still having fun.

Add tight corners, avoid sweepers and straights.

100kph on a 170 degree hairpin is fairly exciting.

my 2c

[Warr]

As a learner, I've got to say, the guys on big bikes can be a little intimidating, and it can be difficult to ask for help.
I put myself in the "needs a mentor" group here on KB, and have been on my fair share of rides, and have never, not once on a ride, had another rider talk to me about what I'm doing.
I learnt by following Quasi, Titanium, Warr, Terbang, and tryiing to pick up tid bitsd of info just from watching them.
I would dearly love to have some more formal pointers even now .. and I bet the real new riders are desperate for it.

You arent the only one there Paul. We are all learners. Doing 1 on 1 riding has been more rare for me. Mentoring as such starts from a willingness to seek advise and none of us are too old for that :)
I wasnt around for your ride proper, but big ups for organising it. It was good to meet some new faces from Hams and will look out for the next event.

[Hellraiser]

Add tight corners, avoid sweepers and straights.

100kph on a 170 degree hairpin is fairly exciting.

my 2c

Come on McJim carver has a Suzuki & a Honda he'll be lucky to reach 100km on a long straight.

my 10c

[carver]

Come on McJim carver has a Suzuki & a Honda he'll be lucky to reach 100km on a long straight.

my 10c

on the honda yes...
on the suzuki-ill be reluctant to waste my 10 remaining demerit points!

[TerminalAddict]

Mentoring as such starts from a willingness to seek advise and none of us are too old for that :)

quite right :) I wasn't suggesting the bike big guys are eliteist (sp?) or anything .. infact I have found the opposite.
Most guys I have met in the last 18 months, have been welcoming, and friendly.
It takes two to sort out lessons really :)
One to want to learn, and one to want to teach

and you *CAN* teach an old dog new tricks :nya:

[Waylander]

or we could head to TGA, and hook up waylander/2much etc etc
Mark would need a bike first and keep it more than a week before crashing lol.

But a few others out this way would be keen for a ride, most don't cruise though, me and Olivia are the slowest in the group.

[Big Chim]

Mark would need a bike first and keep it more than a week before crashing lol.

But a few others out this way would be keen for a ride, most don't cruise though, me and Olivia are the slowest in the group.

Thats a rad idea to head over to tga. I'll be in for that

[Waylander]

Could meet you guys at the bottom of the kaimais one day and show you how to ride up lol.

[The Flux Capacita]

sounds like a plan, i'd be in depending on work...would also like someone to show me how to ride the fzr a bit better as well