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Motu
30th May 2003, 21:54
Hey,the speed camera on Richardson rd Mt Roskill has gone! Has it gone for good,gone somewhere else? How are the cameras in your area?

Redstar
1st June 2003, 22:33
Elvis has left the building?
If they have taken the camera away its because it has failed to meet its quota. and they simply cant jusify the maintainance costs of its existance. all those boxes do not all have camaras in them. they cant afford to spend all their ill gotten gains on more camaras they move the ones they have around from one empty box to another.
the most effective revenue gatherers are not fixed but mobile the fixed ones only catch the occassional tourist so they have to put them in the occassional tourist spots.
they are so cunning and now they use old utes with the tail lift up and the flash hung on the bumper.
and vans with smoked windows by day.
they catch the innotentive not the speeder. the speeder remains one step ahead on the inteligence stake. because thank god the traffic police remain gumpy.
If you see a stationary vehicle on the verge slow down to the limit because it might be a mobile camera or it might be a young lady in need of a man with a jack? if shes ugly or male you can resume your safe speed on the Motorway which is?

Racey Rider
2nd June 2003, 08:46
:Offtopic: Hey Motu, I have a KIWI RIDER Mag from 1985 with a test/write up on the XLV 750. If your interested you can have it. :banana: :whocares:

SPman
2nd June 2003, 09:55
How about something like these guys

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677&documentID=171942

MAD = Motorists Against Detection = Mutually Assured Destruction

 :niceone::niceone:

Motu
2nd June 2003, 19:28
I thought something was up with it because sometimes a Camry S/W sits right under it with a camera - so they have obviously been monitoring it,but I've seen it flash a few times,so it's never been safe.

I'd a thought it was a good posie,on a hill - it's natural to speed either way.Hah....I used to get in the inside lane at the White Swan lights...then take off fast,the boy racer he tucks in behind...then I slow down to 50km....hope,hope....YES! there he goes....''flash''.....sucker!

SpankMe
4th June 2003, 16:17
Has anyone requested for the images taken by the speed cameras. I would like to know what I need to do and how much it is gonna cost.

bikerboy
4th June 2003, 17:54
:( it should give a number on the back to call for the picture. It was/is free to get a copy of the photo.

I hope this isn't going to be a trend with the new bike. A few years back I got a really quick car and within nine months I had three tickets and a suspended licence! Previously I never had a ticket. I then sold it. :argh:

SpankMe
4th June 2003, 18:02
No tickets yet. I would just like to get all the speed camera images that have been taken of me over the years.

Redstar
4th June 2003, 20:53
I havnt had a speed ticket on the bike yet just lucky I guess I've had four in the car.
and I nearly could'nt get insurance a few years back because I was honest on the proposal. if you get three in a year you will get refused if you honest so lie!
after I was nearly refused I called the speed camera office in wellington ans spoke to a constable who told me the insurance companies have NO access to your speed camera ticket information. only you do and if you want it you have to front up in person with proof of ID.
Now It is also heard say that 60% yes 60% of appeals to conviction are overturned because there is another vehicle in the snap and if thats so they can't convict on a technicallity. so it is worth getting the snap if you think there may have been another vehicle in the snap then appeal conviction you may well get off.
I had a mate who was in his car got pinged a 40klm/hr so went round again and got flashed twice more but on appeal got three tickets. not for speeding. but failure to wear a seat belt the jokers had a manual switch for overide and were after non wearing of seat belts.
Bugger!

babyB
4th June 2003, 21:53
well heres an idear guys.....this is speed camara pix from Aussi

Coldkiwi
5th June 2003, 12:30
must've been a foreigner... most Aussies aren't that smart! :D

What a good idea :) 139kmhr and no ticket! I'll have to go home and practice getting my boot around like that!

bikerboy
5th June 2003, 17:19
:niceone: I like !!!

What?
10th June 2003, 10:56
Has anybody else noticed the new trend with speed cameras? In another thread we were discussing the new vans for the mobile fund gatherers... Well, I have noticed that these vans are getting parked up and then left UNATTENDED for as long as all day.

Do you reckon we should all travel prepared, with a piece of cardboard (or a Penthouse centrefold!?) and sellotape at the ready? Imagine the looks when they get 250 photos of Miss September doing 123 Km/Hr...:)

The real laugh, though, is that as I'm sure everyone has noticed, car theft is apparently no longer a crime. Nor is smashing up and setting fire to cars dumped on the side of the highway. Of course, I would never suggest anyone carry molotov cocktails:gob: It does, however, demonstrate how well the cops can not see the wood for the trees.

Coldkiwi
10th June 2003, 12:29
I do happen to have some tape on my bike which would be just fit for purpose.. the problem is I'm normally running late (a primary reason I have a sports bike!) so don't really seriously consider stopping for anything much less than an accident or another biker.

 

Dave
10th June 2003, 18:00
I went to visit a guy in hamilton that collects Indian motorcycles.
There on his wall as proud as day is a speed camera picture of him (age 78) and his wife in their 1927 indian sidecar outfit.
He still proudly shows everyone who visits.

Motu
10th June 2003, 22:36
My brother inlaw has a trucking company - his office wall is covered in photos of his trucks - supplied by the government.

What?
11th June 2003, 09:55
Ain't that nice of them!

Robbo
11th June 2003, 21:24
Yep! I see that at least two of our Hamilton fixed speed cameras have dissappeared :done:  Greenwood St. and Cambridge Rd. My guess is that they are away being recycled and fitted with wheels and will re-appear as a square tin top parked beside one of our main highways. Just like a "Born Again Christian" with his prayer book and money box. Once again, the decission to remove these two particular cameras must have been made by a politician with half a lonely braincell, as if they had been left there for another week, they would have had tens of thousands of cars passing by on their way to the Mystery Creek Fieldays. At least a years supply in just three days from out of town drivers who would'nt have known they were there. Typical of many decissions being made in regard to speed cameras. No practical thinking and No brains.

 :whocares:

 Food for thought I guess.

Cheers

Robbo

What?
13th June 2003, 06:28
Is it possible to go fast enough on Cambridge road on a fielddays day to get a ticket?? Last time I had the misfortune to do that, the traffic was at about 30K and got slower the closer we got to the creek.:D

mangell6
22nd July 2003, 20:58
Can some one come and pick up the other camera that has appeared in Wellington on State Highway One, just north of the Tinakori Rd on-ramp.

Cunning buggers though, the camera is about 300m past the bottom of the small slope as you come out of the Terrace tunnel and is just before another on-ramp.

When will we get a Police force back again?

Mike

Triki
5th February 2004, 10:07
if your goin towards a mobile speed camera at speed you dont need to slow down in a bike do you, coz theres no number plate on the front of a road bike in nz, if you go past one thats on the other side of the road he will get you tho, if its on a 2 lane road that is, but they cant get you front on if there on your side of the road

riffer
5th February 2004, 10:18
Crickey Mike on your bike it should be easy to defeat the sucker. Just get that front wheel off the ground about, say 3 foot, and you should be sweet. :laugh: :devil2:

wkid_one
5th February 2004, 11:30
if your goin towards a mobile speed camera at speed you dont need to slow down in a bike do you, coz theres no number plate on the front of a road bike in nz, if you go past one thats on the other side of the road he will get you tho, if its on a 2 lane road that is, but they cant get you front on if there on your side of the road
YEP - until of course enuf people on bikes do this, the government realise they are missing out on a source of revenue and ACC become concerned about bike speeds - and they decide to implement a law making in mandatory for front mounted number plates on bikes.

This sparked it off in OZ

Slingshot
5th February 2004, 11:31
I once new a guy that operated a mobile camera. From what he told me, if there is more than one vehicle in a photo from a mobile camera then they can't sting you for it cause they can't tell which car set the radar off.
Fixed pole cameras are a different story though because they use a strip on the road to detect the speed, I am curious if the weight of my bike would actually set a camera off cause it doesn't seem to make the lights go green :angry2:

The other thing about the cameras, apparently the motordrive can only wind the film fast enough to take one photo every 1 sec, so if you're following a car with less than a one second gap (dangerous, I know) you should be sweet.

riffer
5th February 2004, 13:07
YEP - until of course enuf people on bikes do this, the government realise they are missing out on a source of revenue and ACC become concerned about bike speeds - and they decide to implement a law making in mandatory for front mounted number plates on bikes.

This sparked it off in OZ
And then who pays for the warranty claims because of overheated bikes due to radiators not getting enough air?

Or does this invalidate the warranty?

Lou Girardin
5th February 2004, 20:01
: The other thing about the cameras, apparently the motordrive can only wind the film fast enough to take one photo every 1 sec, so if you're following a car with less than a one second gap (dangerous, I know) you should be sweet.[/QUOTE]


I wouldn't count on that, most motordrives work at 3-5 frames per second.
Lou

wkid_one
5th February 2004, 20:30
: The other thing about the cameras, apparently the motordrive can only wind the film fast enough to take one photo every 1 sec, so if you're following a car with less than a one second gap (dangerous, I know) you should be sweet.

I wouldn't count on that, most motordrives work at 3-5 frames per second.
Lou[/QUOTE]
Agree - the average pro camera can take photos at atleast that rate....remember they paid $80,000 for these.

Top Gear did a 'test' of this and I recall it took a pretty rapid car to beat the camera and about 260-80kph

Slingshot
5th February 2004, 22:41
I wouldn't count on that, most motordrives work at 3-5 frames per second.
Lou
Agree - the average pro camera can take photos at atleast that rate....remember they paid $80,000 for these.

Top Gear did a 'test' of this and I recall it took a pretty rapid car to beat the camera and about 260-80kph[/QUOTE]

Couple of points...the camera's use rolls of film that is 500 frames long, that's a lot of weight to advance at 3-5 secs. Pro cameras, on the other hand are designed to advance a small weight of film. I would suggest the cost of the equipment is in the radar system and the lens.

The top Gear test you talk of I haven't seen so I stand to be corrected on this, but I believe the UK use a different speed camera system where either two photos are taken with the same camera or different cameras (not sure which). From what I've heard the top gear test was looking at the speed you'd have to be going to outrun the second photo.

PS...My wife works at the company which is contracted to develop & print the speed camera photos.

LB
6th February 2004, 03:19
Can some one come and pick up the other camera that has appeared in Wellington on State Highway One, just north of the Tinakori Rd on-ramp.

Cunning buggers though, the camera is about 300m past the bottom of the small slope as you come out of the Terrace tunnel and is just before another on-ramp.

yeah, a lot of people don't yet know about this one. It's been there for quite a while now too - perhaps towards a year?

LB
6th February 2004, 03:25
I once new a guy that operated a mobile camera. From what he told me, if there is more than one vehicle in a photo from a mobile camera then they can't sting you for it cause they can't tell which car set the radar off.

I got my photo taken by a mobile just north of the Waitarere turn-off, heading north. I was passing a 4x4 and the mobile was parked under trees on the right-hand side, camera facing north. When I was right in photo-taking position I was directly level with the 4x4. The guys behind me saw my numberplate light up so the camera took a photo (this was quite a number of years ago when they needed to flash - now they don't). I never got a ticket so we reckon the 4x4 was in the photo as well. I was probably doing around 140 so I presume if they could have ticketed me they would have.

Yeah, yeah, I know I should have seen the Camry parked there but I simply didn't. There was a group of us on our way somewhere and I was busy thinking about.....well, not sure what I was thinking about really.

LB
6th February 2004, 03:36
if your goin towards a mobile speed camera at speed you dont need to slow down in a bike do you, coz theres no number plate on the front of a road bike in nz, if you go past one thats on the other side of the road he will get you tho, if its on a 2 lane road that is, but they cant get you front on if there on your side of the road
Yes, if you're going towards it you don't need to slow down.

BUT think about this (my humble $0.02). The camera will still take a photo of a bike that is speeding towards it. The camera can't figure out that it's a bike without a front numberplate.

If heaps of riders don't slow down (or if they deliberately speed up because they know they can't get ticketed) then the powers that be may well make us have front numberplates. Some guys I know go at warp factor going towards them because they think it's funny because they know they can't be ticketed.

If I see a mobile or know I'm going past a fixed camera, I always slow to (very close to) the speed limit, regardless of front or rear facing. (I sometimes don't see speed cameras, but that's another story!)

Be aware that there have been odd mutterings fairly recently by the powers that be about bringing back front numberplates, and we don't want to give them more ammo against us. They've been talking in Oz (Victoria I think?) about bringing back front numberplates, and we often tend to follow Oz trends in these matters.

I don't mean this post to sound "holier than thou", so I hope no-one reads it as such.

Here endeth the lesson. I'm going to jump in the shower before heading north to Pukekohe.

SpankMe
22nd June 2004, 22:51
Does anyone know how long they have to keep the images taken by speed cameras?

marty
22nd June 2004, 23:06
Does anyone know how long they have to keep the images taken by speed cameras?
dunno. best guess would be no longer than past the 28 day appeal after sentence date entered. they are all taken on rolls of film (no digital) so there would be an issue with storage space. they may convert them to digital once the fine is paid and the 28 day thing has passed. i'm not really sure. i think there is someone in here that works in the PIB - they'll know

marty
22nd June 2004, 23:09
BTW - cruising down sandringham rd today - my new Escort 8500 X50 beeps Ka at me - WTF? no fixed site, no vans - holy fuck, a white Camry SW with the back door down!!!!!! i thought they had got rid of all those

Wenier
22nd June 2004, 23:19
i've heard that overseas they are gettin even better cameras which run on two sets of strips in the road. How this works is, you go over the first strip theres nothing to give any indication of a camera, it then starts a counter that counts out the time you take to the second strip if this time is too short your bugger even if you slow down.

Now i have only heard this and still cant figure out how it works wit multiple vehicles going over the first while only one will get to the second in that time??

And wit NZ cameras the fixed cameras no which lane is speeding so multiple vehicles in a pic wont get you off a ticket, the mobile cameras cant have two vehicles in the pic as they dont no how did it.

pete376403
23rd June 2004, 11:24
dunno. best guess would be no longer than past the 28 day appeal after sentence date entered. they are all taken on rolls of film (no digital) so there would be an issue with storage space. they may convert them to digital once the fine is paid and the 28 day thing has passed. i'm not really sure. i think there is someone in here that works in the PIB - they'll know
Are you sure they are film, not digital? I ask because every photo I have ever seen (people have them pinned up at work as trophies) including the one I got have been printed by an inkjet printer on plain paper. So they are digitised at some stage. The biggest film container I have ever seen for a conventional 35mm camera has been a 250 shot one. Some of the speed cams would need reloading every other day if that was the case. I was told the cams are connected to laptops (IBM stinkpads) and I thought that was the storage for the pics

Wenier
23rd June 2004, 13:43
the pic i got wasnt printed on plain paper it was on actual photo paper probably the first print they got. Must be digitised after that

Firefight
23rd June 2004, 13:58
Yes, if you're going towards it you don't need to slow down.

BUT think about this (my humble $0.02). The camera will still take a photo of a bike that is speeding towards it. The camera can't figure out that it's a bike without a front numberplate.

If heaps of riders don't slow down (or if they deliberately speed up because they know they can't get ticketed) then the powers that be may well make us have front numberplates. Some guys I know go at warp factor going towards them because they think it's funny because they know they can't be ticketed.

If I see a mobile or know I'm going past a fixed camera, I always slow to (very close to) the speed limit, regardless of front or rear facing. (I sometimes don't see speed cameras, but that's another story!)

Be aware that there have been odd mutterings fairly recently by the powers that be about bringing back front numberplates, and we don't want to give them more ammo against us. They've been talking in Oz (Victoria I think?) about bringing back front numberplates, and we often tend to follow Oz trends in these matters.


Yes Lynda, I know we have discussed this before, I agree 100%, , IMHO the bird, monos, etc are all antagonistic (sp? Help me Hitcher)towards the Gummit camera/law makers, I too can see the possibilty of ugly front number plates coming, worth thinking about ! :bash:

F/F :crazy:

vifferman
23rd June 2004, 14:22
Yes Lynda, I know we have discussed this before, I agree 100%, , IMHO the bird, monos, etc are all antagonistic (sp? Help me Hitcher)towards the Gummit camera/law makers, I too can see the possibilty of ugly front number plates coming, worth thinking about !
Yup, that's correct spelling of "antagonistic", same with "Gummint" (although "Gubmint" is also permissible), but you've spelted "possibility" wrongly.

bgd
23rd June 2004, 20:14
i've heard that overseas they are gettin even better cameras which run on two sets of strips in the road. How this works is, you go over the first strip theres nothing to give any indication of a camera, it then starts a counter that counts out the time you take to the second strip if this time is too short your bugger even if you slow down.

Now i have only heard this and still cant figure out how it works wit multiple vehicles going over the first while only one will get to the second in that time??

And wit NZ cameras the fixed cameras no which lane is speeding so multiple vehicles in a pic wont get you off a ticket, the mobile cameras cant have two vehicles in the pic as they dont no how did it.

These are alive and kicking in the UK. I think they take a photo of every vehicle passing a point and they have another camera futher along that does the same. The 2 images are matched by number plate and the time between them compared. If the time is too short (i.e. speeding) you get a ticket. They have this setup in the Limehouse Link tunnel which I use quite often. Very effective in slowing down traffic - but only if you know about it.

igor
23rd June 2004, 20:29
:( it should give a number on the back to call for the picture. It was/is free to get a copy of the photo.
:

free thats a good one.

if free with ya $60 - 90- 120 170 230 300 400 510 630 ticket

of courses its free :doobey:

igor
23rd June 2004, 20:38
dunno. best guess would be no longer than past the 28 day appeal after sentence date entered. they are all taken on rolls of film (no digital) so there would be an issue with storage space. they may convert them to digital once the fine is paid and the 28 day thing has passed. i'm not really sure. i think there is someone in here that works in the PIB - they'll know

if ya reaslly lucky ya get in the hall of fame books they got at PIB.

did ya no that some poor bastigd seats and has to manuelly read each plate and enter it on da puter.

so if the see the same vanker appearing they put im in a little pile and save im up until they get a rear view then capow. ouch that hurt

Bob
23rd June 2004, 23:29
i've heard that overseas they are gettin even better cameras which run on two sets of strips in the road. How this works is, you go over the first strip theres nothing to give any indication of a camera, it then starts a counter that counts out the time you take to the second strip if this time is too short your bugger even if you slow down.

Now i have only heard this and still cant figure out how it works wit multiple vehicles going over the first while only one will get to the second in that time??

And wit NZ cameras the fixed cameras no which lane is speeding so multiple vehicles in a pic wont get you off a ticket, the mobile cameras cant have two vehicles in the pic as they dont no how did it.

We are seeing a new range of fixed position digital cameras introduced over here in England. And some of them are downright scary in how they can 'get' you.

They are test-running a set of digital cameras in a 1.8 mile tunnel I use sometimes. 3 cameras in place - one at each and and one in the middle.

They can pick up on entry speed at each point - and also work out the average speed through the tunnel (not sure if they can work it between all three cameras or just the two).

Final scary bit? Being digital, they dont' need film. So they work 24/7. And I understand they are linked into a control centre a few miles away. Which is linked into the numberplate database. And so they can send out prosecution notices without anyone needing to be involved.

Oddly enough, it is a 30mph speed limit in that tunnel. Everyone drives/rides at 29mph exactly...