Teacher Kills off Santa

[Hillbilly]

A Teacher in England has really upset a lot of parents by teaching a class of 10 yr olds that Santa doesn't exist! For the full story, go HERE (http://au.news.yahoo.com/061221/2/11uiy.html)

[Disco Dan]

I would do the same thing when I finish my training. Most children would have figured it out by the time they are 9-10 (just like the article states). It would be ethically wrong to 'lie' to the children. Good on her.

[Mom]

Dont want to read the link.........how mean is that!........Santa "IS REAL!!!"

10 is too young to not have some magic in your life :yes:
shit I am 10 years and several months........I still have magic in my life

[Karma]

It would be ethically wrong to 'lie' to the children. Good on her.

And I suppose she's never told anyone that she's washing her hair on saturday night, or that "It's not you, I'm just not in that place right now"

[Disco Dan]

And I suppose she's never told anyone that she's washing her hair on saturday night, or that "It's not you, I'm just not in that place right now"

Neither of us were there. If a child was to ask if santa was real in front of the entire school... I would tell the truth. Not avoid the question. They need to learn, not be 'sheltered'.

[James Deuce]

You're a bit late.

Posted this morning.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=40944

[eliot-ness]

Few children of ten still believe in Santa as a person, some magical figure who can climb down chimneys with a sack of toys. At that age the magic is in the idea, a sort of religion for kids without the threat of hell fire and damnation. Would that same teacher dare to tell kids that god doesn't exist? They grow out of it soon enough and when they do some of the magic goes from the parents and grandparents life too. Leave some mystery in their lives and let them grow up at their own pace.

[Ixion]

... They grow out of it soon enough ,,,.

Well, I never did. You can say what you will, I know he's real. Just as long as one child's eyes light up on Christmas morning, Santa's real.

[James Deuce]

Few children of ten still believe in Santa as a person, some magical figure who can climb down chimneys with a sack of toys.

Bollocks man :). I was attempting to redistribute the teeth of the unbelievers at age 10.

My 3 year old was on the verge becoming an unbeliever, due to the wild inconsistency in somatype, voice, and personality of all the Santas he's met this Christmas.

But NZ Post saved the day by replying to his Santa letter.

My 6 year old is outside with plastic binoculars looking for him. He won't come inside in case he misses him.

Everyone is different, me especially. I'd love to teach at that school. So long as it isn't my kids I'm upsetting I 'm happy. :devil2:

[Motu]

As new parents we weren't going to feed our children on the bullshit of Christmas,no silly Santa Claus.

Yeah right - my 25 year old daughter still gets a stocking..Xmas is a time of giving....not just giving presents....but just giving.

[Hillbilly]

You're a bit late.

Posted this morning.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=40944


Saw the article on Sydney's Channel Seven News. We are 2 hours behind.

[James Deuce]

**Bites tongue and nearly chokes on Slow Aussie jokes**

[u4ea]

As new parents we weren't going to feed our children on the bullshit of Christmas,no silly Santa Claus.

Yeah right - my 25 year old daughter still gets a stocking..Xmas is a time of giving....not just giving presents....but just giving.

SANTA CLAUSE IS AN ANCIENT GERMAN SAINT...........HE MAY BE A CUNT NOW BUT IN TIMES GONE BY HE GAVE PRESENTS TO THE POOR AND COLD CHILDREN AND WASNT A SAINT UNTIL YEARS AFTER HIS DEATH..........


my thoughts go out to the ones who arent consumed with love and family at this time...........

prost to the unborn,fallen and never forgotten saints

[DougB]

I never told my children that there was a Santa, and I endevoured never to tell them an untruth. We always answered their questions on any subject with the truth as we knew it in a way they could understand at that age. This did not prevent us from playing the Father Xmas GAME or the tooth fairy GAME etc. They accepted this and let their imagination loose. If they believed in father X so be it, but I never tried to decieve them.Why should they ever believe anything I told them if I had started by telling them that the Xmas shit was real.

[Waylander]

Neither of us were there. If a child was to ask if santa was real in front of the entire school... I would tell the truth. Not avoid the question. They need to learn, not be 'sheltered'.
Teachers need to stop raising the kids for the parents. Guess what, it's not your job.

[NighthawkNZ]

Nuke Santa... Kill Barney... Fry The Telly Tubbies...


errr oh never mind I just venting.... :innocent:

[bluninja]

My kids know that santa in his current form is based on a Coca-Cola advertising campaign about 50 years ago. I find that the suggestion that there is a magical person that can travel the world in 1 night, and knows everything that the kids have done is not quite congruous with my religeous beliefs.

My kids have bed presents, which only appear when they've actually gone to sleep, and we have lots of other fun christmas traditions that don't involve santa.

People complain about the commercialism of Christmas, and then choose to adopt an advertising bastardisation of an early saint (+ European folklore/myth) into an image that is the focal point to a christian clebration. Go figure.

[Fat Tony]

I'm pretty sure that my 11 year old daughter doesn't believe anymore, though she insists that she does. I think it's ace that she still wants to believe :)

[bobsmith]

I'm pretty sure that my 11 year old daughter doesn't believe anymore, though she insists that she does. I think it's ace that she still wants to believe :)

Uhhh... or she's just smart and wants to keep getting presents from santa... (that was me between when I was 5 - 10 except that when I was 10 my parents decided it was enough... bugger...)

Nice, I can't believe kids over the age of 5 actually belive in santa... that's just rediculous...

I need to get a shirt that says: "Sorry kids, I killed santa. Christmas is cancelled so wipe that stupid smile off your face!"

[Finn]

They need to learn, not be 'sheltered'.

Ha, ha, like they're going to learn in NZ schools. Nice one.

[bobsmith]

NZ have schools??? I've seen playgrounds for the retarded around but never an educational facility.....

[James Deuce]

NZ have schools??? I've seen playgrounds for the retarded around but never an educational facility.....

Neither exist.

[MisterD]

Teachers need to stop raising the kids for the parents. Guess what, it's not your job.

Yeah, but when it's a job that so many parents shirk?

[James Deuce]

Teachers need to stop raising the kids for the parents. Guess what, it's not your job.

Now that's BS.

[Clockwork]

Teachers need to stop raising the kids for the parents. Guess what, it's not your job.

Schools exist to educate and socialise children, parents should be helping with this job but too many of them abdicate that responsibility entirely to the school. Its a dirty job, but someone needs to do it!

[James Deuce]

Total freaking rubbish. Here we go again with the bag Parents thread.

All the teachers I've met since one of my kids has started school have been wet blankets who want an SES teacher's aide if a kid raises their voice or kicks a ball around at lunchtime.

Schools do not provide parenting to children. They help increase our bloating tax burden by creating more and more reasons for MSD to create more and more specialised departments to deal with "problem" children.

[bluninja]

Schools exist to educate and socialise children, parents should be helping with this job but too many of them abdicate that responsibility entirely to the school. Its a dirty job, but someone needs to do it!

Schools don't like it when you are involved in your childrens education and social welfare (especially when you hold them accountable). They turn round and say they are the experts and parents should butt out. If they are so good why haven't they got real jobs??? You know...those that CAN, DO. Those that can't TEACH !


Perhaps they could find work troll hunting.

[Maverick]

Bollocks man :). I was attempting to redistribute the teeth of the unbelievers at age 10.

My 3 year old was on the verge becoming an unbeliever, due to the wild inconsistency in somatype, voice, and personality of all the Santas he's met this Christmas.

But NZ Post saved the day by replying to his Santa letter.

My 6 year old is outside with plastic binoculars looking for him. He won't come inside in case he misses him.

Everyone is different, me especially. I'd love to teach at that school. So long as it isn't my kids I'm upsetting I 'm happy. :devil2:

My little sister came up with a very interesting solution to that.
The Santas in the malls arent the real Santa. He is far too busy packing presents, feeding raindeer and getting ready for Christmas eve to go to all the malls in the world. So he hires nice substitute Santas to go to the Malls and they ring the real Santa and tell him what all the kids want for Christmas so he can get them all packed and deliver them.

[ManDownUnder]

I still have magic in my life

I know exactly what you mean. Why kill the joy? Why take the innocence?

What's the hurry?

I honestly enjoy being naive about somethings - some stuff I love being a mystery... to categorically learn the essence of a woman would be just plain wrong. The mystery is wonderful. Likewise the creation of new life and all those others things that can take your breath away from time to time.

If people want to measure, analyse and classify them I have no problem with that. But to thrust proofs in my face where they're not welcome isn't what decent people do. Offer an insight to those that want it, but don't ram it down the throats of those enjoying their view of the world.

Now I'm not sure if I'm growing up, refusing to, or both... I think both...

Edit - I just re-read all the entries in this thread - what a thread full of sauerkraut

[ManDownUnder]

NZ have schools??? I've seen playgrounds for the retarded around but never an educational facility.....

That's what you saw - sure...

The rest of us however...

[Clockwork]

Total freaking rubbish. Here we go again with the bag Parents thread.

Who's "blaming the parents"?..... I'm simply pointing out that parents have a responsibilty to help preprare their kids for adulthood but where they can't or wont then society needs the schools to do it for them.

[James Deuce]

You were. I have no expectation of schools parenting my kids, in fact to have an arm of the social engineering experiment that calls itself Government is utter anathema. No one I know uses the school as parents. Most of them are disappointed at how little kids are expected to achieve, and how unaccountable teachers and schools actually are.

You're just generalising in the worst way and perpetuating a media created myth that parents suck.

[Grahameeboy]

Nuke Santa... Kill Barney... Fry The Telly Tubbies...


errr oh never mind I just venting.... :innocent:

Yeah but Bob the Builder, he will fix it.

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah but Bob the Builder, he will fix it.

I thought he was Minister of Foreign Affairs....

[Skyryder]

Well in my humble experiance when the kids go wrong its the schools fault. I used to be active in the school community when my kids were going to primary school. Out of about 400 famies ten would show up for orgnising fundraising, working bees etc. on a regular basis. And the shit some teachers have to suffer from over bearing mothers who have a higher expectation of their children than the child is capabe of is anothe story. Problem is everyones been to school, every parent thnks they are an expert on education.

If you put the time and effort into your children, they will do well know matter what the teacher or the school is like. But if you blame the school for all the childs problems with education they will pick up the vibes and act accordingly. It's not my fault it's someone elses. And once the child has that mindset they are unlikely to change...............ever............ and will apply it to all of their failures.

Skyryder

[bert_is_evil]

Kids know santa isn't real by the time they are 10 - there's always one kid who finds out and tells the rest. They only pretend to their parents that they still believe because it's part of the game.

[Skyryder]

I'm pretty sure that my 11 year old daughter doesn't believe anymore, though she insists that she does. I think it's ace that she still wants to believe :)

Nothing wrong with childhood fantasies becoming adult dreams.

Skyryder

[Clockwork]

You were. I have no expectation of schools parenting my kids, in fact to have an arm of the social engineering experiment that calls itself Government is utter anathema. No one I know uses the school as parents. Most of them are disappointed at how little kids are expected to achieve, and how unaccountable teachers and schools actually are.

You're just generalising in the worst way and perpetuating a media created myth that parents suck.




Are you actually sitting there with a straight face and telling me you believe that every child in New Zealand are receivng quality parenting and that consequently all the schools need to do is ensure that they can read write and do sums? And if the kids arn't being socialised by the parents who will do it if not the schools?

[ManDownUnder]

Are you actually sitting there with a straight face and telling me you believe that every child in New Zealand are receivng quality parenting and that consequently all the schools need to do is ensure that they can read write and do sums? And if the kids arn't being socialised by the parents who will do it if not the schools?

It obvious not every child is receiving quality parenting. The question is what to do about it.

I suggest it needs to be done at an individual level - each situation will be reasonably unique and needs to be addressed as such.

I also suggest it is not a teacher's role to be that good parent. A number of teachers will not good parents themselves (strike one), they busy enough as it is (strike two) and they're TEACHERS, not STATE PARENTS (strike three).

They do what they're paid to do. Teach.

My kids are lucky - they have good parents (and you're all very welcome to challenge me on anything you have the facts on - anytime at all). As a consequence any parenting done by teachers/schools is done at the expense of my kids' education. I do not wish to deny those underparented kids anything - far from it. I want them to have every chance in life.

Just as I do my kids.

I don't know that they answer is, but I'm sure that lumbering schools with the role of parenting the kids is not the way to do it. They're a good watchdog for sure. They're spend the 2nd most face time with the kids so are in a reasonably good position to spot anything going wrong. It's not up to them to fix it though - or at least it shouldn't be.

It's a tough one. I do not have the answer, but I do know where the answer is not...

[Clockwork]

MDU I agree with just about all of your post but I think society can't afford to do nothing for these kids while we try to think of a better solution.

Anyway, I think we may be extending this thread way beyond its origins. For the record I have no problem with teachers teaching 10 year olds that Santa doesn't exist. or even human reproduction or Darwins theory of evolution.

They better stop short of religion and politics though!:bash:

[KATWYN]

I grew up with Santa (drinking the beer, eating the goodies etc) and the Tooth Fairy thing (money left under my pillow)....Looking back I remember it was magical and exciting......I can't remember when I found out about the "lie" and how it felt. And because I can't remember being gutted and betrayed etc it can't have done any harm, cos i'm sure if it had been a major I would have remembered.

I was a fairy on Santas float once too....:innocent: