Mindless bollocks

[greenhorn]

Is there anyone else who thinks the ads for beer these days are imbecelic?
Especially the lion red and dbexport gold ads?
Beer ads used to be clever, apart from a few for db bitter where the guys put out bushfires and stuff and the drinking blokes in heaven make the yuppies beer glass handle fall off, they seem to be aimed at morons.
I especially hate the lion red add with the two guys playing tennis. I dont believe i am an old fart, i'm only 34 but seriously, do those ads appeal to anyone?
The export gold add seems especially desperate. Bunch of guys hijack a bus and go round having a great time while paragliding from the back of a bus using an old tent???
Perhaps i have become an old fart, i just dont remember these sort of things annoying me before now. But come on, who selects the brand of beer they drink based solely on the taste and not the advertising? I would be interested to know if watching a guy paragliding from the back of a bus in an old tent makes you want to buy export gold, or watching a couple of guys who come across as just complete jerks fart arsing around on a tennis court make you buy lion red.

I myself am not at all influenced by advertising but Coke is in fact the real thing. :not:

[Cajun]

don't drink beer that much, if i do its corona or hienkin.

Those ads don;t do a thing for me either they are stupid

[Hitcher]

Tui and Speights have created a genre that other "me too" marketers are seeking to copy. Part of a problem is that they don't understand their target market. People don't stand around in pubs anymore drinking beer and getting pissed. However there are some outstandingly good beer commercials. Heineken and Stella Artois are good international examples. Tui and Speights do pretty well in the creative stakes as well.

[greenhorn]

I agree, i had forgotten about the speights and stella artois ads.

[Deano]

Best ad Ive seen in a while is the one where they are watching the rugby and one guy is reluctant to take a piss, but his mate has rigged up a tv in the dunny. Not even sure what they were advertising so it obviously hasn't captured me as an audience for the product. I love the Speights ads but not fussed over the beer. (Speight's lose your mates)

My beer preference is based solely on taste, bodily effects and price.

I like Mac's Gold, Corona with a lemon in the top, Export Gold and Gisborne Gold (where available). No bad effects on the body with these four.

Heineken and Steinie are too bitter and I get a headache.

Lion Brown (lying down) and 'standard DB' is too sweet and gives me the shits. Tui is quite sweet as well.

Lion Red tastes like watered down Lion Brown.

Elephant beer is damn strong shit maaan, but not easy to drink.

Murphy's I don't mind, but I can't see how anyone can drink Guinness.

All very subjective of course.

One man's nectar of the Gods is another man's weasle piss eh ?

[greenhorn]

i used to know a guy who worked at db brewies in otahuhu. Up on the wall in the warehouse they had a picture of a horse drinking from a bucket labeled db and pissing into another bucket labeled lion red

But it is amazing how up in arms people get when it comes to beer. Its kinda like the whole dumb rugby vs league thing, as if you cant enjoy both. Personally i cant tell the difference between all the "lolly beers" but i sure as heck can tell the difference between them and guiness as in guiness is not beer but recycled engine oil.
I can understand people enjoying arguing over the "best" bike. There seems to be pleny of rationale and valid arguements put forward based on peoples tastes and what they want out of a bike, but get onto an arguement over the "best" beer and i reckon peoples attitudes toward the beer are mostly governed by what advertising campaign the most like. Of course that works for everything to a degree, doesnt it, thats why we have advertising, but to me there is no single greater motivator for a person to buy one beer over an other than advertising.

BTW As you can see didnt name this thread "mindless bollocks" for nothing

[V Twin Raver]

People don't stand around in pubs anymore drinking beer and getting pissed.

Aye???????

[Slim]

I love the Tui billboard ads - very clever, and quite often they're regionally targetted.

I saw a great Waikato billboard in Huntly when we came up to Auckland for the KB BBQ#3, "Warning: Auckland next 100km's" :D

[MikeL]

When I go out a drink Stella. I like the taste, but it's also because I like the ads. Very sophisticated.
At home I drink home brew.
In Stella bottles.
:bleh:

[Ghost Lemur]

I choose my beers based on taste and circumstances (but then again I don't have a tv, so don't get ads :P).

Kilkenny in the winter. Sunner Ale in the summer. Occasionally a Corona or Heiney thown in for a change.

If I'm not paying I drink anything on offer. :Punk: Free beer always tastes good, even when it is a NZ piss water.

[vifferman]

I like my ads to be mindless bollocks. Or at least entertaining.

But I buy my beer based on the taste; even though Lion Red's cheap, I'd rather drink Macs, or Stella, or Boags, or Bean Rock, or any one of the other fantabulous beers I'm not supposed to drink.:crazy:

[riffer]

After twenty years working in advertising I despise all ads. Except maybe the Stella ones.

I drink DB Export, 'cause I like the taste...

[spudchucka]

Most NZ beer ads are simply appealing to the yobo, pisshead mentality, there is very little thought going into them. Tui billboards are on the whole amusing and they do every now and then come out with a real good one. I purchase beer based on the sum total of my experience in consuming large quantities of various products, Hieneken, Stienlarger, Tui, Macs, Montieths, VB & Spieghts would be the most enjoyed (not necessarily in that order).

[spudchucka]

After twenty years working in advertising I despise all ads. Except maybe the Stella ones.
I remember meeting a guy at a party in the early 90's who was a jingle writer. He proudly told me how he was the author of the jingle used on an ad for Wanganui at the time. It was the most annoying thing I had ever experienced at that time and I had trouble containing my contempt for the man. I've often wondered how the authors of various annoying ads have gotten on socially, perhaps they just live their lives in denial of the foul works.

[jrandom]

I find the Tui billboards quite funny. Recently: "I do." (Yeah right) Now *that* won't make the ladies happy...

The rest of it is just good old advertising for the masses, none of whom think it Affects Them, but all of whom, taken as a whole, respond remarkably predictably to the input.

Since we're in an Asimov mood this weekend, anyone else remember Hari Seldon and psychohistory? He probably had a point.

Personally I buy Stella when I want lager. I'm not sure that I can taste the difference, but my advertising-addled brain thinks that it has a crisper, hoppier finish than Heinies or any of the local lagers. But I prefer a good bitter. Speights Old Dark isn't too bad, a bit sweet but quite nice. I don't mind Guinness but the canned stuff always tastes a bit funny. I generally only drink it when I'm at a place that has it on tap.

I wish I could get Galbraiths ales in bulk for the fridge at home, but they don't use preservatives or sell their stuff bottled at local-bottle-shop prices, so I suppose I'll just have to keep turning up and paying for pints one at a time and drinking lager when I'm at home.

[White trash]

Is there anyone else who thinks the ads for beer these days are imbecelic?
Especially the lion red and dbexport gold ads?
Beer ads used to be clever, apart from a few for db bitter where the guys put out bushfires and stuff and the drinking blokes in heaven make the yuppies beer glass handle fall off, they seem to be aimed at morons.
I especially hate the lion red add with the two guys playing tennis. I dont believe i am an old fart, i'm only 34 but seriously, do those ads appeal to anyone?
The export gold add seems especially desperate. Bunch of guys hijack a bus and go round having a great time while paragliding from the back of a bus using an old tent???
Perhaps i have become an old fart, i just dont remember these sort of things annoying me before now. But come on, who selects the brand of beer they drink based solely on the taste and not the advertising? I would be interested to know if watching a guy paragliding from the back of a bus in an old tent makes you want to buy export gold, or watching a couple of guys who come across as just complete jerks fart arsing around on a tennis court make you buy lion red.

I myself am not at all influenced by advertising but Coke is in fact the real thing. :not:


Well I'm an idiot coz if it didn't taste like weazel piss, I'd drink Lion red on the back of that ad you speak of.

[Deano]

Free beer always tastes good, even when it is a NZ piss water.

Wash your mouth out boy - haven't you tried Mac's Ales ? - its a southern drop too.

[Motu]

Good to see everyone chooses beer on taste these days,me too - but back in the days of continuous fermentation (do any still do it?) I bet the differences between begining and end would be quite marked,but the drinkers would defend a favorite beer to the end.To me the old Lion Red truely tasted like a tom cat pissed in it,but not these days....and my taste hasn't changed,but I still won't drink it.

[Jackrat]

Yeah well their targeting an eighteen year old audience so the adds don't have to be that flash.
I drink Waikato because I like it.I don't even remember seeing a Waikato add for a while. :spudwhat:

[sAsLEX]

Double Brown is the cheapest crate at the local bottly and it isn't all that bad , quite refreshing in the summer

[PuppetMaster]

I drink Waikato because I like it.I don't even remember seeing a Waikato add for a while. :spudwhat:

They gave up advertising. everybody knows its weasel piss. :puke:


Southern beers seem to be better. MACS, Speights, Monteiths.
As long as its not DB, I'll drink it.

[vifferman]

They gave up advertising. everybody knows its weasel piss. It's actually changed a lot from what it used to be like, when it was like fermented Waikato River water.

Southern beers seem to be better. MACS, Speights, Monteiths.
As long as its not DB, I'll drink it.Sadly, some beers are not quite what they appear to be....

[spudchucka]

Yeah well their targeting an eighteen year old audience so the adds don't have to be that flash.
I drink Waikato because I like it.I don't even remember seeing a Waikato add for a while. :spudwhat:
I'm stunned that it is still being made, I rememebr it being a nice drop too though.

[spudchucka]

It's actually changed a lot from what it used to be like, when it was like fermented Waikato River water.
Most of the Waikato river is fermenting these days isn't it?

[Slim]

I drink Waikato because I like it.I don't even remember seeing a Waikato add for a while. :spudwhat:
Do you not get the chainsaw ads? The first one a logger turned up early to the pub, no one else their, so he calls them with his chainsaw.
The second one, the pub owner goes out the back & jingles a crate of bottles, the lad chainsaw in their orders & then get them delivered when they arrive.
Some of the Waikato billboards are good, the one of the sink taps "H, C, W" on the top & something about winning Lotto. And the north end of Huntly usually has a good one too.

[Devil]

I wouldnt usually drink any NZ beers unless there was no alternative. In that case it'd prob be heinekin. Dont mind a bit of the monteiths celtic red/radler/summer either, but only in emergencies.

Usually you'd find me in a bottle of Kronenbourg, oranjeboom, hoegaarden, bravara or crown lager.

...thats if im not drinking the usual vodka anyway...

[PuppetMaster]

Sadly, some beers are not quite what they appear to be....

Yes. I do realise this. Spiritually they are Southern beers....



crown lager

That is a nice beer.

[Jackrat]

They gave up advertising. everybody knows its weasel piss. :puke:


Southern beers seem to be better. MACS, Speights, Monteiths.
As long as its not DB, I'll drink it.

Ha,everybody knows it was a BIG weasel :shifty:

[Jackrat]

Do you not get the chainsaw ads? The first one a logger turned up early to the pub, no one else their, so he calls them with his chainsaw.
The second one, the pub owner goes out the back & jingles a crate of bottles, the lad chainsaw in their orders & then get them delivered when they arrive.
Some of the Waikato billboards are good, the one of the sink taps "H, C, W" on the top & something about winning Lotto. And the north end of Huntly usually has a good one too.

I have a TV that gets two channels that I hardly ever watch.
Will have to go to huntly.

[Posh Tourer :P]

I love the Tui billboard ads - very clever, and quite often they're regionally targetted.

I saw a great Waikato billboard in Huntly when we came up to Auckland for the KB BBQ#3, "Warning: Auckland next 100km's" :D

Yep. The Tui billboards in Akl around xmas last year said "Lets go to Palmy for New Years". The same billboard in downtown Palmy had "Lets go to Auckland for New Years". (we were on a road trip :first: )

[Skyryder]

Local beers?? I'm a Hogshead man myself. Tend to like the dark beers. Some of the local boutique breweries make good beer. Hereford Bitter is one. Forge was another that I liked but a lot o people could not stand it. Had a slight metallic tast. Can anyone remember the Lucky beers. There were three. Brown Yellow and I think it was Green label. Not too sure the brewery but if my memory serves me correctly two of the labels were binned and the other rebranded into Bavarian. This was a big seller but I did not like it so started drinking stout instead to everyones horror. Spitfire was my favourite import but it is not on the shelves anymore. This is an English bitter. Guinness a bit over rated in my view but if you want to have a liquid meal look no further. Now lets talk about malts

Skyryder

[moko]

Some of the Foster`s ads are quite funny,dont know if they`re the same ones shown elsewhere,latest one has an Aussies guy debating hairstyles with his Barber,ends up he`s got a nassive quiff that keeps his Fosters in the shade.We get the Stella ads too,that`s really popular in Britain and the Guiness ads are legendary,they spend a fortune on them.

[greenhorn]

I once knew a guy who drank guiness and of all things raspberry. I cant remember if it was raspberry juice or cordial. He reckoned it was great and quite a common combination.
Anyone heard of that one before?

[LB]

I used to drink coke with raspberry cordial - it's quite nice. I don't like beer, but imagine it would be a bit the same? Pubs will serve coke and raspberry if you ask for it (well, they used to, it's been years and years since i've asked for it)

[jrandom]

I used to drink coke with raspberry cordial - it's quite nice. I don't like beer, but imagine it would be a bit the same? Pubs will serve coke and raspberry if you ask for it (well, they used to, it's been years and years since i've asked for it)

I always see kids mixing coke and raspberry at the Burger King drinks machines. The idea makes me retch.

Perhaps I should try it sometime.

[Slim]

I once knew a guy who drank guiness and of all things raspberry. I cant remember if it was raspberry juice or cordial. He reckoned it was great and quite a common combination.
Anyone heard of that one before?
I've heard of raspberry in lager (seemed very common in the OE experience in London of various people I know), but not in Guinness. I have heard of putting a shot glass of a spirit in the bottom of a Guinness - a Depth Charger???

[greenhorn]

I always see kids mixing coke and raspberry at the Burger King drinks machines. The idea makes me retch.

Perhaps I should try it sometime.

Tell you what, if you try adding an equal measure of everything on offer at those machines, the drink ends up the most disgusting colour. Which kind of makes me wonder, with the deal you get at Burger King along with the superior burgers an all, why oh why is McDonalds still in bussiness?
I remember a brand of beer when i was a teenager called "Leopard Paw". Anyone remember it? I dont think it lasted long, something to do with the fact its name was too closely associated it with a type of cat conjuring up all sorts of images as to the beers main ingredient...
Anyway McDonalds is to fast food what Leopard Paw was to beer.

Remember the thread is named Mindless Bollocks

[Hitcher]

I remember a brand of beer when i was a teenager called "Leopard Paw". Anyone remember it? I dont think it lasted long, something to do with the fact its name was too closely associated it with a type of cat conjuring up all sorts of images as to the beers main ingredient...
Anyway McDonalds is to fast food what Leopard Paw was to beer.

Remember the thread is named Mindless Bollocks
Leopard was, from memory, brewed at Hastings and was New Zealand's first canned beer -- before tear tags were invented! "Paw" was, from memory, Leopard's last gasp.

[Mongoose]

I've heard of raspberry in lager (seemed very common in the OE experience in London of various people I know), but not in Guinness. I have heard of putting a shot glass of a spirit in the bottom of a Guinness - a Depth Charger???

Larger and lime perhaps, but raspberry?? Sounds gawd damn awful.
Back to the ads, those Lion Red ones would do nothing to encourage me to try it, hell it would take a lot more than an ad to get me to try Lion anything :laugh:
Every now and then you see some cracker ads on those world wide best of advertisement programmes on telly.

[vifferman]

Leopard was, from memory, brewed at Hastings and was New Zealand's first canned beer -- before tear tags were invented! "Paw" was, from memory, Leopard's last gasp.Phark! That's going back a ways (1975 or summat?)
Two things about it - the 'cans' were the tinned steel cans (not aluminium), and the beer tasted very metallic, possibly from the can dissolving, as well as like cat's piss (presumably) tastes.:eek5: :puke:

[Mongoose]

Phark! That's going back a ways (1975 or summat?)
Two things about it - the 'cans' were the tinned steel cans (not aluminium), and the beer tasted very metallic, possibly from the can dissolving, as well as like cat's piss (presumably) tastes.:eek5: :puke:

Specially if you waited until you were in London before trying the Leopard cans, imagine the time spent by the brew in those cans before being opened in the UK.
Ooops, guess that makes me Phaaarken old, huh? :whocares:

[Slim]

Larger and lime perhaps, but raspberry?? Sounds gawd damn awful.
I might have had my wires crossed.

I was thinking of the Snakebite, which appears to be Beer, Cider & a dash of Raspberry Liqueur

[pete376403]

Stout and raspberry is lovely, they should feed babies on it. Used to get Vita-stout up at the Rimutaka Tavern, haven't seen that for a while.
My formative drinking years were spent at the Rimutaka, they used to serve spirits and mixer by the jugful, that is, 10 nips of whatever and fillup with the mixer. You could get pretty pissed, pretty quick. Cheap, too. used to be $2.50 for a jug of bacardi and coke

[Hitcher]

Phark! That's going back a ways (1975 or summat?)
Two things about it - the 'cans' were the tinned steel cans (not aluminium), and the beer tasted very metallic, possibly from the can dissolving, as well as like cat's piss (presumably) tastes.:eek5: :puke:
You remember well, Grasshopper!

[Motu]

Saw some Vita Stout in Waiuku a couple of weeks ago,did a double take...thought I was back in the 70s,maybe it was that old? You could also get cider in the big beer bottles....still partial to a cider I am.Raspberry? we used to mix equal parts vodka,ouzo(sp?) and raspberry soft drink...3 bottles of serious stuff.

Yeah,our first ''cans'' were steel - you had to carry around an opener.We used to see actors crush a beer can in the movies or TV,but it was impossible with the steel cans....no,a mate of mine used to collapse a steel can down flat,he had to work at it,making the sides a square then rotating it down flat....impressive if you didn't know he'd spent the last 10mins working at it under the table.

[scumdog]

Stout and raspberry is lovely, they should feed babies on it. Used to get Vita-stout up at the Rimutaka Tavern, haven't seen that for a while.
My formative drinking years were spent at the Rimutaka, they used to serve spirits and mixer by the jugful, that is, 10 nips of whatever and fillup with the mixer. You could get pretty pissed, pretty quick. Cheap, too. used to be $2.50 for a jug of bacardi and coke

My mate in the 70's told me to go to the bar-maid and ask for a "portergaf", I thought he was setting me up for a thick-ear but she came back with a stout & raspberry :)

I use to drink Bavarian Bitter back then, mainly because it only cost $1.96 for a half dozen, - proper bottles, not those kiddy-size "stubbies" which are generally the dearest way to buy beer if you calculate it out.

[MikeL]

Yeah,our first ''cans'' were steel - you had to carry around an opener.

And on more than one occasion out and about when the opener was mislaid I had to get into the can with whatever was available - hammer and chisel one time I recall. Ended up losing most of the contents...
And you could definitely taste the steel.

[Mongoose]

And on more than one occasion out and about when the opener was mislaid I had to get into the can with whatever was available - hammer and chisel one time I recall. Ended up losing most of the contents...
And you could definitely taste the steel.

The opener ALWAYS hid under the last can :angry2:

[Hooks]

My mate in the 70's told me to go to the bar-maid and ask for a "portergaf", I thought he was setting me up for a thick-ear but she came back with a stout & raspberry :)

I use to drink Bavarian Bitter back then, mainly because it only cost $1.96 for a half dozen, - proper bottles, not those kiddy-size "stubbies" which are generally the dearest way to buy beer if you calculate it out.


Here's one for ya then ... Bavarian Bitter was a failure in aukland :no: .... it just couldn't get a grip in the market ..... So ...... The brewery relabelled it called it Lion Red and the rest as they say is history !! .... :stoogie:

[Hooks]

Myself, I drink VB or Fosters ...mainly because I like the taste but also because they come in larger stubbies for the same price ... 375ml fits nicely in one swallow !! ..... :drinknsin

[Hitcher]

People who claim to be able to distinguish different beers by taste really amuse me. At various social club dos over the years, when it has been my turn to organise things, I have done blind beer tastings -- a selection of beers, pre-poured into those wee plastic wine tasting glasses, and numbered. People have to match the numbers with the names on offer. You get the idea.

The selection usually includes Tui, Waikato, sometimes Lion Brown and Lion Red (to prove a point), Heineken, Stella, Black Mac, Speights Old Dark, and sometimes something a bit exotic, like Boddingtons or Monteiths Summer Ale, or a wheat beer.

To cut short what could be a very long story, beer drinkers are piss poor at identifying beer on olfactory senses. Some people even struggle to tell black beer from lager! Go figure. The difference between brown beers is lost on nearly everybody. The winner of one event, by a clear margin, was a temp PA who had been in New Zealand for less than six weeks and had never before tasted most of the beers on offer. Obviously she was a better guesser than most...

[vifferman]

Raspberry? we used to mix equal parts vodka,ouzo(sp?) and raspberry soft drink...3 bottles of serious stuff.Aha! The "Jellybean" !

[Eddieb]

You could also get cider in the big beer bottles....still partial to a cider I am.Raspberry? we used to mix equal parts vodka,ouzo(sp?) and raspberry soft drink...

3 parts cider, 1 part lager, with raspberry to top it off.

Snakebite, favorite of kiwi's on O.E. all over London.

They still sell cider in the large bottles in Ireland. It's the most popular way to buy it among the more 'established' drinkers there.

[MikeL]

People who claim to be able to distinguish different beers by taste really amuse me. At various social club dos over the years, when it has been my turn to organise things, I have done blind beer tastings -- a selection of beers, pre-poured into those wee plastic wine tasting glasses, and numbered. People have to match the numbers with the names on offer. You get the idea.


After 2 or 3 bottles of Heineken or Stella I serve my guests my home brew. Noone notices. Or at least they're too polite to say...
Anyway, they keep drinking it.
One perceptive guest (a German) did remark that he particularly enjoyed the yeasty taste - back home he would have had to pay a premium to buy a beer with that characteristic.

About $9-$10 at PaknSave for a can of Cooper's or Geordie's, 1 kg of sugar whatever that costs, and I get around 22 litres (3 doz bottles) of very quaffable beer, at about 30c a bottle.

When I go to a pub and pay $6 for a Stella I force myself to believe that it is 20 times as good.

It's the advertising, you see.

[greenhorn]

People who claim to be able to distinguish different beers by taste really amuse me. At various social club dos over the years, when it has been my turn to organise things, I have done blind beer tastings -- a selection of beers, pre-poured into those wee plastic wine tasting glasses, and numbered. People have to match the numbers with the names on offer. You get the idea.

The selection usually includes Tui, Waikato, sometimes Lion Brown and Lion Red (to prove a point), Heineken, Stella, Black Mac, Speights Old Dark, and sometimes something a bit exotic, like Boddingtons or Monteiths Summer Ale, or a wheat beer.

To cut short what could be a very long story, beer drinkers are piss poor at identifying beer on olfactory senses. Some people even struggle to tell black beer from lager! Go figure. The difference between brown beers is lost on nearly everybody. The winner of one event, by a clear margin, was a temp PA who had been in New Zealand for less than six weeks and had never before tasted most of the beers on offer. Obviously she was a better guesser than most...

We did a similar test a few years back with pretty much the same results. Although there was one beer that could allways be identified not through taste but by smell... Anyone remember a beer called Joseph Khutze? Khootz? something like that... One smell and almost everyone could identify it. We all agreed it smelt like poo and seriously it did have a faint odour of.. well.. poo. Im sure someone will read this and confirm. Perhaps its why we no longer have it.
Actually it was around during the mid to late 80's. I remember everyone drinking it at the first Rugby world cup.

[Mongoose]

We did a similar test a few years back with pretty much the same results. Although there was one beer that could allways be identified not through taste but by smell... Anyone remember a beer called Joseph Khutze? Khootz? something like that... One smell and almost everyone could identify it. We all agreed it smelt like poo and seriously it did have a faint odour of.. well.. poo. Im sure someone will read this and confirm. Perhaps its why we no longer have it.
Actually it was around during the mid to late 80's. I remember everyone drinking it at the first Rugby world cup.

While it may have had that smell to some peoples noses it was also a good larger, drink large quatities of it and wake up feeling good as gold in the morning(or so I am told :whistle: ) much like German largers.