Foxton Beach bike traps

[ArcherWC]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10418348&ref=rss

Not friendly at all :angry:

[Lord Derosso]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10418348


Hell. Why dont they just set landmines and do a proper job??

If the forest is private, fair enough to ask people keep out. But to set traps to cause bikers to possibly crash is going too far. How are they getting in there in the first place.? How much of the road itself is private? Seems they need proper locks on gates or it that just too hard. I have heard there have been some close calls with trail bikers in the sand dunes nearly hitting kids playing in the sand so maybe this is payback?

[GR81]

sweet, who's keen to go there for a ride one weekend?
we can take torches and pitch forks! :)

[sunhuntin]

im curious...how is a motorbike any bigger fire risk than a car?

[dammad1]

Some people just cant bear to see others having fun!

[Bonez]

Seems they need proper locks on gates or it that just too hard.

They do have proper locks. It's just that idiots bypass the gates.
Until they find out who actually made the boards up it's just rumour mungering to say locals did it.

Edit- Oh I forgot to mention it's not only motorcyclist who enter forest areas without permision.

[car]

im curious...how is a motorbike any bigger fire risk than a car?

Try turning one on its side.

;)

[Colapop]

If anybody got hurt or killed would they charge the perpetrators with attepted murder or murder? If they catch the pricks is it still attempted murder?

[Lias]

They do have proper locks. It's just that idiots bypass the gates.
Until they find out who actually made the boards up it's just rumour mungering to say locals did it.

If its confirmed its people who own the forest or are associated with it are doing shit like that, I'd be all for burning their precious forest to cinders.

Fuckers.

Someone put a dead horses head in their kids bed or something..

[Bonez]

If its confirmed its people who own the forest or are associated with it are doing shit like that.Like dope growers you mean?

[Ghost Lemur]

Fuckers. :nono:

[Meanie]

Dirty bloody scumbags :angry:
Im with you Lias lets get a possy together and burn thier villages
Or we could do a marathon ride around thier nice quiet town for about three weeks non stop and call it fundraising :scooter: Or we could call it the great Kiwibiker Rally :yes:

[cheese]

Locals must have felt pretty pissed to do that. Pretty stupid extreme measure to take though that could kill someone.

[chanceyy]

hmmm the traps have been located at both Hokio & Waitarere beachs in the dunes as well .. mostly to try & stop motorbikes, but obviously can cause major damage to anyone standing on them .. human, horses, or dogs etc ..


seen this happen a few yrs ago .. a few local iwi trying to stop the bikes/horses/ppl ripping through the plantings .. mind you a few yrs ago they were on the beach throwing chains into the bikes as they went past ..

now that was nasty .. cops spent more time on the beach trying to stop someone getting killed ....

[ldnz]

Theres got to be a better way, thats not bloody on.

[bobsmith]

Someone put a dead horses head in their kids bed or something..

How about we just put the head of their dead kids up a horses ass.

[Hillbilly]

I like this bit:


Placing the boards posed a serious risk to public safety and was a serious offence under the Crimes Act, carrying a maximum penalty of five years' jail, he said.

Nothing will get done, and nobody prosecuted, as usual.

[Storm]

I like this bit:
Nothing will get done, and nobody prosecuted, as usual.

Of course not- involves police time and effort and doesnt return a significant amount of money (like speeding etc)

[Insanity_rules]

Dirty bloody scumbags :angry:
Im with you Lias lets get a possy together and burn thier villages
Or we could do a marathon ride around thier nice quiet town for about three weeks non stop and call it fundraising :scooter: Or we could call it the great Kiwibiker Rally :yes:

I'm totally behind these ideas. A nice no exhaust bike rally would surely wake the f%*kers up. Lets express our disgust.

[Squeak the Rat]

Probably the same local "iwi"'s that take a "donation" out of your fishing/diving catch as you leave the beach.

[ArcherWC]

Dont worry Steven, you dont go fast enough to worry about it :zzzz:

[Timber020]

Obviously the law wasnt serving the people who put these traps out and wont serve the people who want those who put them out to be caught. However I bet less dirt bikers head for the forest.

Dirt bikes do alot of damage and are used by dope growers who put in traps which endanger the owners of land. Who knows maybe these traps were set by growers, they used to set them where I was from(and rode my dirtbike)

[mazz1972]

I agree it's damm irresponsible to set a trap that could very seriously injure a person or animal, but the dirt bike riders are also being irresponsible and are the cause of the problem.

Some of you here have cried foul of whoever is setting the traps, but you probably aren't aware that this problem has been going on for YEARS in that area. Dirt bikes have been banned for years but despite locked gates, signs etc, there are still thick heads out there who don't give a toss and get in anyway, often crossing and damaging private property to enter, cutting locks on gates etc. Would you just sit back and take it if your property was damaged on a regular basis, and there was no easy way for it to be stopped?

Because of the few that have no respect for the rules, it has been spoilt for many, as our local motorcycle club can no longer get permission from Rayonier to run organised and patrolled events in these forests, which they had previously done for many years. That truly sucks as it's cut an awesome part of out of one of the annual rides.

FYI....

Rayonier NZ Ltd has the following policy on motorcycle riding in Waitarere Forest, Manakau Forest, Kohitere Forest, Lismore Forest.

* Public access on motorcycles and private vehicles is prohibited in the above forests without express permission of RNZ staff.

* Access on foot is welcome and legally allowed for under the Crown Forest Licence. Hunting is by permit only from RNZ staff.

Motorcycle and private vehicle access is prohibited for the following reasons:

* The potential for fires. If you start a forest fire through negligence you will be liable for the costs if caught, this can easily run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

* Many hazards exist that could lead to an accident causing damage to property or serious harm to drivers of motorcycles & vehicles. Most individuals do not hold Public Liability Insurance that can cover the costs that may be associated with such occurrences.

* The safety of other forest users, both public on foot & forest workers can be put at risk by having uncontrolled riders/ drivers in the forest. The roads are often narrow with blind corners & low sight distance.

* Damage to property & theft. We have had to repair fences, gates, & buildings from vandalism from people in vehicles trying to enter/ exit the forests & buildings. People with vehicles or motorbikes are generally the ones who steal property from forest contractors work sites.

* Organised events are currently not permitted due to the problems we have had following allowed events. Previously riders have returned to the forests without permission & caused one or several of the problems mentioned above. Therefore the few people that are starting fires, damaging/ stealing our property or contractors, endangering other people, having accidents etc are spoiling it for the others.

[Bonez]

Thanks mazz1972 to help put the artical in it's true perspective. The same issues/problems arise further up the north up the coast. I've had break-ins to buildings I was responsible for. Not nice at all. Thousands of dollars worth of equipment pilfered or damaged.

[GR81]

i just saw the boards on one news... pretty nasty stuff!
4" nails from a nailgun through boards.

not good!

[Headbanger]

I agree it's damm irresponsible to set a trap that could very seriously injure a person or animal, but the dirt bike riders are also being irresponsible and are the cause of the problem.

Some of you here have cried foul of whoever is setting the traps, but you probably aren't aware that this problem has been going on for YEARS in that area. Dirt bikes have been banned for years but despite locked gates, signs etc, there are still thick heads out there who don't give a toss and get in anyway, often crossing and damaging private property to enter, cutting locks on gates etc. Would you just sit back and take it if your property was damaged on a regular basis, and there was no easy way for it to be stopped?

Because of the few that have no respect for the rules, it has been spoilt for many, as our local motorcycle club can no longer get permission from Rayonier to run organised and patrolled events in these forests, which they had previously done for many years. That truly sucks as it's cut an awesome part of out of one of the annual rides.

FYI....

Rayonier NZ Ltd has the following policy on motorcycle riding in Waitarere Forest, Manakau Forest, Kohitere Forest, Lismore Forest.

* Public access on motorcycles and private vehicles is prohibited in the above forests without express permission of RNZ staff.

* Access on foot is welcome and legally allowed for under the Crown Forest Licence. Hunting is by permit only from RNZ staff.

Motorcycle and private vehicle access is prohibited for the following reasons:

* The potential for fires. If you start a forest fire through negligence you will be liable for the costs if caught, this can easily run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

* Many hazards exist that could lead to an accident causing damage to property or serious harm to drivers of motorcycles & vehicles. Most individuals do not hold Public Liability Insurance that can cover the costs that may be associated with such occurrences.

* The safety of other forest users, both public on foot & forest workers can be put at risk by having uncontrolled riders/ drivers in the forest. The roads are often narrow with blind corners & low sight distance.

* Damage to property & theft. We have had to repair fences, gates, & buildings from vandalism from people in vehicles trying to enter/ exit the forests & buildings. People with vehicles or motorbikes are generally the ones who steal property from forest contractors work sites.

* Organised events are currently not permitted due to the problems we have had following allowed events. Previously riders have returned to the forests without permission & caused one or several of the problems mentioned above. Therefore the few people that are starting fires, damaging/ stealing our property or contractors, endangering other people, having accidents etc are spoiling it for the others.

None of which justifies laying dangerous traps in public areas.

[u4ea]

thats just nasty.....................................:angry: .........:nono: ......my guess is iwi ..............

[chris]

None of which justifies laying dangerous traps in public areas.
Just wondering what justifies trespass and illegal riding?

[Hailwood]

good points raised mazz...We stay at Hokio quite a bit and thankfully, so far, the only troubles seems to be those dickheads who raor down the beach from the Waiterere(?) side full noise. We ride bikes at Hokio and have no problems..mind you we have also spoken at length with the local iwi about it and understand the rules involved...no riding in the sand dunes, respect others on the beach.

Despite u4ea's insightful iwi claim, the local iwi have invested a hell of a lot of time and money into rejuevenating the grasses growing along the sand dunes to stop erosion (because no govt agency was interested) and so dont want to see it wrecked....makes a lot of sense to me.

Seems to me that if those who ride on the beach and forest areas were a little more respectful of the area, these sorts of issues wouldnt arise..but of course as previously mentioned there will always be some knobs who ruin it..thats why the police are regularly patrolling waiterere beach and forest..not to raise funds but to stop the idiots who ruin it for everyone else..Maybe we need to self police this..why not say something to a fellow rider who is acting like a goose..better that than having the police issue tickets, have the locals so pissed that they resort to measures like this or worse, have the govt pass a law banning motorcycles on beaches

Just my opinion for whats it worth

[chris]

why not say something to a fellow rider who is acting like a goose
Hmm, tried this a while back with an illegal rider in Woodhill. I was helping to mark out for a trail ride and came across a rider who had decided that it was his 'right' to ride illegally on private property. When I explained that his actions were irresponsible and dangerous due to the possibility of head on's, I received a large amount of verbal abuse. I asked him to remove himself from the forest for safety's sake after which he then rode off the way he had come, no doubt to retun later.

I can undertand the Foxton locals frustration, but don't condone it.

[Hailwood]

see your point Chris and it wont work with everyone..but I hope it is a better course generally than having the cops involved..maybe its just naivety or old age...hehehehehhehehe

[chris]

see your point Chris and it wont work with everyone..but I hope it is a better course generally than having the cops involved..maybe its just naivety or old age...hehehehehhehehe
It's always worth a try. No point in abusing them back. Does get frustrating though, there's been more than one incident of head on's with illegal riders in Woodhill.

[mazz1972]

None of which justifies laying dangerous traps in public areas.

Of course not, it's nasty stuff and bloody stupid and I saw on TV1 news that the traps had been made with a nail gun I'm not condoning it, just saying I can see why it's happening.

Despite residents, police and Rayonier's best efforts, there are still dimwits trespassing in the forests and riding in beach areas where they shouldn't. The police have taken a pretty hard line at the beach dishing out hefty fines to people with unregistered bikes and no licences (the beach is legally a road) and that doesn't deter everyone.

[Lord Derosso]

Quite interesting discussion on this issue. I see both sides of the story and I did make the point that there has been reports in the past re idiots nearly hitting kids near and on the dunes. Great that the local iwi are restoring the dunes.

Yes, its completely stupid to set the traps but it would seem it would be the rogues whom would cop it, not that I say they deserve too, and theres the risk other people, including the local themselves, may stand on one and suffer a bad injury.

I cant help comparing the situation to the HUGE stink re the Police wanting Driver photo ID for licences some years ago, and of course we have them now, in that if you have nothing to hide(or if you dont go and ride in what you know is a banned area), then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Thanks for all the comments and no its not a good idea to rile up the locals just because of one egghead.

[Headbanger]

Seems pretty simple then, Parents, keep your kids out of the dunes. Thats dirt bike country. Hell if its legally a road then thats the last place to let your kids play.


Problem solved.

[davereid]

The police have taken a pretty hard line at the beach dishing out hefty fines to people with unregistered bikes and no licences (the beach is legally a road) and that doesn't deter everyone.

Yep, I can tell you for a fact that a Yamaha Big Bear can drive over sand so soft, that a Police 4WD gets stuck. Sorry I didnt help buddy, I saw you waving but I had to take ny fish home for tea.

Understand this, road or no road, I'm riding on the beach without paying yet another tax - Im not gonna register my quad. And even though its a glass free area, I take my glass. Yep its an alcohol free zone and I drink down there too.

The PROBLEM is hoons, zapping through the sanddunes, scaring kids and being wankers.

But the HALFWITs in council just ban EVERYTHING without ever addressing the problem

ZILLIONs of families have taken a quad down that beach with a dog, chilly bin, and fishing rod, and had a great day. But now they break a million rules, and the cops race down with a ticket book, the dog ranger wastes a day on double time there, and all that happens is normal joe public gets harrassed and hates the gmint just a bit more.

So... even though it easy to pick on joe public with your rules, why not deal with the problem ?

Give tickets to hoons, speeders, drunks, those who break bottles - don't just spend your day trying to piss ME off !

[riffer]

Not that I condone wanton destruction of the fragile seashore ecosystem, but crikey, these guys are going a bit far I reckon ...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3925243a19715.html

[Bob]

Spikes have been placed in Horowhenua and Manawatu sand dunes to stop motorbike riders. Four pieces of timber spiked with exposed nails have been found on sand tracks between Hokio Beach and just south of Waitarere Beach were handed over to police before anyone was hurt.

Police say Horowhenua residents upset at motorcyclists riding over the dunes and into private forest may be responsible. "These nailed boards pose the risk of serious injury at the very least," Foxton constable Rob Illingworth said "If a kid lands on one, it would go straight through the foot and if a motorcyclist hits one and goes flying, anything could happen."

[avgas]

Spikes have been placed in Horowhenua and Manawatu sand dunes to stop motorbike riders. Four pieces of timber spiked with exposed nails have been found on sand tracks between Hokio Beach and just south of Waitarere Beach were handed over to police before anyone was hurt.

Police say Horowhenua residents upset at motorcyclists riding over the dunes and into private forest may be responsible. "These nailed boards pose the risk of serious injury at the very least," Foxton constable Rob Illingworth said "If a kid lands on one, it would go straight through the foot and if a motorcyclist hits one and goes flying, anything could happen."

Wankers, lets put nails in their welcome mat!

[Lord Derosso]

I grew up in the Far Far North and we use to go riding down the beach all the time. Great stuff. Never any hassles. It maybe that I am getting old but Life seemed to be a lot more laid back 20-30 years ago. Then the whole world has changed big time mostly for the worse. Everyone is consumed by the need to own the latest gadget and people work longer and harder in this consumer fvrezy so dont have the time for anyone esle and family so much. So much for the 35 hour week we use to work in the late 70's.

[bobsmith]

I think the protection of human intelligence is much more important than some fragile eco system.

Perhaps I'll go out with a shot gun and start shooting at boyracers to protect the gene pool? Take matters into my own hands like these obviously responsible citizens have done... In fact maybe I should go shoot them too. It seems they didn't think through far enough and the traps will get all the non bikers too...


:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

[Lord Derosso]

The more I dwell on this story the more I am siding with the members whom want to take some sort of action. Maybe a mass gathering at the beach and media exposure to show that it of real concern to all bike riders. That wouldn't be pointing fingers nor upsetting the locals with a noise parade but just to show solidatory(spelling?). And the bikes stay at the parking area.
I just can not understand the mentality of whomever has done this. Do they also shoot needles into the local duck's necks(news last night), and poison cats because they catch native birds????? Hate to say it but maybe it will take a kid getting one through their foot to get some real action taken. Bet the local cops wont want to hassle locals especially if it is iwi, which I doubt somehow.